[Ncsg-discuss] A few council issues for your consideration

Tue Dec 2 11:44:48 EET 2025

heya, Farz,

Thanks so much for the email and apologies for not seeing this sooner.
(mailing list issues still keep me from seeing everything that is shared
here)

See my comments below:

Regarding point one, I also agree w/ the suggested approach.

On point 2, - as we saw this week -,  the course of things has changed.
Council will discuss a motion proposing two separate PDPs and suggesting
that (a) we start with the  Associated Domain Check discussion and (b) that
council adopts the draft charter and convenes that effort as soon as
practical. At the same time, the motion provides the Council and broader
community with additional time to carefully review, consider, and, if
needed, further develop the second draft charter on API access.

I'm fully aware that our priority was the API access, and that NCSGs
position was not necessarily "approach it at the appropriate time". I was
then wondering if we should oppose this motion - based on the lack of
proper council discussions directed towards prioritization and - given the
short timeline - suggest that we have an extraordinary council meeting to
address this issue ?

Looking forward to hearing what others think.

best,

B

On Wed, Nov 19, 2025 at 11:36 AM Michaela Nakayama Shapiro <
00001b332dc2b5b0-dmarc-request at listserv.syr.edu> wrote:

> INTERNAL
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Thank you very much for this update! This is hugely helpful.
>
> No comment on item 1, your approach looks great to me.
>
> On item 2, agreed on voting yes as unfortunately as you said, the ship has
> sailed. However, I share your concerns about developing PDPs based almost
> exclusively on an external report without consultation with all stakeholder
> groups. Completely agreed these should *not* run in parallel and
> supportive of doing a “Representative & Open Model”.
>
> Additionally (and also on DNS abuse) I would want to reiterate the
> importance of one of the gaps identified by the GNSO Small Group (which was
> also echoed in the NetBeacon report), on *due process*. The NetBeacon
> report had this listed as “Registrant Recourse for DNS Abuse Suspensions,”
> and we also emphasized in our input to the preliminary issues report that
> the outcome of any PDP *must include clear due process elements*. This
> could be a good topic to propose via the mailing list that Beth is
> developing.
>
> A final PSA that the public comment summary report
> <https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/generic-names-supporting-organization-council-gnso-council/pc-report-prelim-issue-report-pdp-dns-abuse-mitigation-17-11-2025-en.pdf> has
> been published. Do you have a sense @farzaneh badii
> <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM> as to when the GNSO Council will receive the
> Final Issue Report (if you haven’t already)?
>
> Best,
>
> Michaela
>
> *From: *NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of
> farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
> *Date: *Wednesday, 19 November 2025 at 07:27
> *To: *NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> *Subject: *A few council issues for your consideration
>
> Hello NCSG
>
> 1. The final council meeting of the year will happen in December. We will
> vote on a few things. One thing is the RDRS recommendations. We discussed
> this extensively and we have good language in the recommendations to
> require the registrar to consider human rights and do an assessment when
> necessary before disclosing domain name registrant data. We also agreed to
> look into authentication and accreditation for law enforcement and perhaps
> a narrower authentication for law enforcement takes place so that it
> doesn't cost too much. But of course we have consistently said whatever the
> solution, accountability mechanisms have to be in place. Here is the 90
> page report:
> https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/generic-names-supporting-organization-council-gnso-council/rdrs-sc-council-report-19-08-2025-en.pdf#page=5.48 I
> recommend we vote yes to these recommendations and perhaps read out a short
> statement about the importance of privacy and accountability of the
> requestors.
>
> 2. Another important thing is that the council is going to vote on what
> sort of DNS abuse PDP we should do. From our conversations and our input I
> suggest voting yes to two PDP tracks that are not running in parallel. It
> can also operate based on a representative and open model if we don't want
> to run it based on a solely representative model. (see slide 16:
> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2025/presentation/dns-abuse-issue-report-13nov25.pdf#page=16.00)
> We are going to have two PDPs one on associated domain check and another
> on API.
>
> There is something concerning about doing PDPs based on one external
> report and suggestions (I believe both these suggestions were mentioned in
> one report). Especially when we are not really consulted. But at this point
> that ship has sailed. We can talk about how to avoid this in the future
> though. So if that concerns you let me know. (we raised it in our public
> comment on the issue report)
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
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