ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
farzaneh badii
farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
Fri Sep 16 09:14:46 EEST 2022
Somebody has to start leading this effort.
-talk to the contracted party
- talk constantly to the Board about it
-send a letter to GNSO council chair
- send a letter to the contracted parties
Otherwise we keep talking about this among ourselves and nothing will
happen.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:10 AM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> Hi Caleb,
>
> It is my understanding (but I might be completely wrong) that the board
> has already signalled that this is a GNSO matter, but yes, we should
> continue pushing. We shouild also continue to push the contracted
> parties.
>
> Julf
>
> On 15-09-2022 06:16, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
> > Hi Johan,
> >
> > I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it comes to
> > NomCom rebalancing.
> >
> > If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board
> > except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then we can
> > do internal constituency rebalancing.
> >
> > The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they
> > have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.
> >
> > Caleb
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bruna,
> >
> > Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for quite
> > a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition Program
> > Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them
> > to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.
> >
> > The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be primarily
> > a GNSO Council issue.
> >
> > The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look at the
> > most recent NomCom appointments).
> >
> > Julf
> >
> >
> > On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> > > Hello, all,
> > >
> > > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following
> > questions
> > > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:
> > >
> > > 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling
> > > veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s
> > > beneficial for the community to have the usual suspects
> rotating
> > > between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups?
> > How do we
> > > fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board
> > imagine
> > > its role in assisting the community to recruit more new
> > blood?____/
> > > 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/
> > > 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the
> > community from
> > > volunteer fatigue?/
> > >
> > >
> > > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of
> > questions
> > > because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be
> > solved by
> > > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before. Topics
> > like
> > > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more
> > than just
> > > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound like a
> > broken
> > > radio repeating the same problems over and over again; added to
> > that I
> > > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least one
> policy
> > > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its proposed
> > > sounds a little empty.
> > >
> > > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy topic I
> can
> > > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of
> > changing one
> > > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest
> > something.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Bruna
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> > > <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sam,
> > >
> > > Good observations. I can understand why you put the focus on
> > career
> > > progression but I think significant focus needs to also be
> put on
> > > the category where participation is heavily motivated by
> simply
> > > doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you suggest,
> > this
> > > category will neither build career capital nor will it
> > provide any
> > > resources for ICANN participation.
> > >
> > > Those in this category may have active careers, but their
> careers
> > > are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career
> > does not
> > > benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The
> > employers
> > > of those in this category are often not interested in ICANN's
> > work
> > > and do not support them in any way, even with leave off work
> to
> > > travel to an ICANN meeting.
> > >
> > > Therefore, those in this category will certainly benefit and
> can
> > > only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were
> > based on
> > > participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the
> > > "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more
> > complex. Not
> > > recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily
> > depend on
> > > ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as well.
> > >
> > > Warmly,
> > > Tomslin
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco, <lanfran at yorku.ca
> > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>
> > > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I would like to add a couple of comments here. For years
> > I ran
> > > the listserv for the International Society for Third
> Sector
> > > Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on
> > volunteerism
> > > and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and
> > several
> > > patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers are
> dwindling
> > > through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers
> > are less
> > > forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that
> > due to a
> > > generational behavioral shift or the changing demands of
> > careers
> > > and volunteer work?
> > >
> > > Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are motivated by
> > three
> > > drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal satisfaction; (3)
> > career
> > > advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder model,
> outside
> > > NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are engaged as
> > part of
> > > their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside
> > NCSG young
> > > participants join for all three reasons, with many seeing
> > > participation to (hopefully) build career capital. This
> > can be
> > > particularly true for participants from areas where career
> > > opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN
> > participants
> > > have support for participation, either as an expense
> > account or
> > > an ability to cost ICANN participation against
> professional
> > > income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more binding
> and
> > > ICANN support is usually essential, and more than just a
> > “perk”.
> > >
> > > If one thinks of the elected and appointed positions
> within
> > > ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG
> > volunteer
> > > participation challenge boils down to two things, one
> > difficult
> > > and one relatively easy. The difficult one is resources.
> > > Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they go?
> Looking
> > > over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests that many
> of
> > > those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,
> > > consultants) where ICANN participation builds career
> capital,
> > > and where careers provide some resources for ICANN
> > > participation. The challenge here becomes that allocating
> > NCSG
> > > resources (travel) based on participation and ICANN
> knowledge
> > > favors those already best positioned to participate. The
> “old
> > > guard” gets the perks. This may become more complicated
> > as ICANN
> > > seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet
> > Governance
> > > (TIG) scope of policy.
> > >
> > > The easier part, again in my view, would be a major
> > expansion of
> > > mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several
> > ways and
> > > build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea would
> be to
> > > make elected positions include a mentorship
> > responsibility, and
> > > a process for selecting appropriate mentees. Mentee
> positions
> > > would come with the additional resources to make
> > participation
> > > possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also
> > result in
> > > greater career capital benefits, and increase the
> > probability of
> > > continued ICANN participation. One step in that direction
> > might
> > > be ICANN funding an in depth study of the experiences of
> > ICANN
> > > Fellowship participants (and others), both in terms of
> their
> > > continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work
> > has fit
> > > into their career progress, and in terms of the hard
> choices
> > > they must make about volunteering.
> > >
> > > Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here
> > because we
> > > can assume all participants are intent on “doing good”
> > and that
> > > “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does
> > inside ICANN
> > > and how that relates to one’s work life. I look forward
> > to the
> > > ideas and observations of others.
> > >
> > > Sam Lanfranco
> > >
> > > ----Original Message-----
> > > From: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>> On Behalf Of Johan
> > > Helsingius
> > > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM
> > > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> > > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>>
> > > Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
> > >
> > > > What level of effort is channeled to keep the people
> > in the
> > > community
> > > > not to get tired. Same for those that have indepth
> culture
> > > and ICANN
> > > > experience that are exhausted and not actively
> > participating
> > > in PDP.
> > >
> > > Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very
> > serious
> > > issue that needs to be addressed.
> > >
> > > Julf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> > > /*
> > >
> > > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) |
> > Alexander
> > > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/
> > <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>>
> > >
> > > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
> > > Berlin für Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en
> > <https://wzb.eu/en>>
> > >
> > > Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede
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> > > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> > > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg
> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>>
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> > >
> > > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins
> > <https://twitter.com/boomartins>> // Skype:
> > > bruna.martinsantos
> > > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>
> > > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> > > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Caleb Ogundele*
> > Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
> > Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>
--
Farzaneh
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