<div dir="auto">Somebody has to start leading this effort.</div><div dir="auto">-talk to the contracted party </div><div dir="auto">- talk constantly to the Board about it</div><div dir="auto">-send a letter to GNSO council chair </div><div dir="auto">- send a letter to the contracted parties</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Otherwise we keep talking about this among ourselves and nothing will happen.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:10 AM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com">julf@julf.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">Hi Caleb,<br>
<br>
It is my understanding (but I might be completely wrong) that the board<br>
has already signalled that this is a GNSO matter, but yes, we should<br>
continue pushing. We shouild also continue to push the contracted<br>
parties.<br>
<br>
Julf<br>
<br>
On 15-09-2022 06:16, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:<br>
> Hi Johan,<br>
> <br>
> I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it comes to <br>
> NomCom rebalancing.<br>
> <br>
> If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board <br>
> except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then we can <br>
> do internal constituency rebalancing.<br>
> <br>
> The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they <br>
> have and so it's good we make our case clear enough.<br>
> <br>
> Caleb<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Bruna,<br>
> <br>
> Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for quite<br>
> a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition Program<br>
> Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them<br>
> to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.<br>
> <br>
> The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be primarily<br>
> a GNSO Council issue.<br>
> <br>
> The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look at the<br>
> most recent NomCom appointments).<br>
> <br>
> Julf<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:<br>
> > Hello, all,<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following<br>
> questions<br>
> > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling<br>
> > veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s<br>
> > beneficial for the community to have the usual suspects rotating<br>
> > between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups? <br>
> How do we<br>
> > fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board<br>
> imagine<br>
> > its role in assisting the community to recruit more new<br>
> blood?____/<br>
> > 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/<br>
> > 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the<br>
> community from<br>
> > volunteer fatigue?/<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of<br>
> questions<br>
> > because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be<br>
> solved by<br>
> > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before. Topics<br>
> like<br>
> > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more<br>
> than just<br>
> > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound like a<br>
> broken<br>
> > radio repeating the same problems over and over again; added to<br>
> that I<br>
> > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least one policy<br>
> > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its proposed<br>
> > sounds a little empty.<br>
> ><br>
> > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy topic I can<br>
> > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of<br>
> changing one<br>
> > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest<br>
> something.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best,<br>
> > Bruna<br>
> ><br>
> > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Sam,<br>
> ><br>
> > Good observations. I can understand why you put the focus on<br>
> career<br>
> > progression but I think significant focus needs to also be put on<br>
> > the category where participation is heavily motivated by simply<br>
> > doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you suggest,<br>
> this<br>
> > category will neither build career capital nor will it<br>
> provide any<br>
> > resources for ICANN participation.<br>
> ><br>
> > Those in this category may have active careers, but their careers<br>
> > are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career<br>
> does not<br>
> > benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The<br>
> employers<br>
> > of those in this category are often not interested in ICANN's<br>
> work<br>
> > and do not support them in any way, even with leave off work to<br>
> > travel to an ICANN meeting.<br>
> ><br>
> > Therefore, those in this category will certainly benefit and can<br>
> > only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were<br>
> based on<br>
> > participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the<br>
> > "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more<br>
> complex. Not<br>
> > recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily<br>
> depend on<br>
> > ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as well.<br>
> ><br>
> > Warmly,<br>
> > Tomslin<br>
> ><br>
> > On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco, <<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lanfran@yorku.ca" target="_blank">lanfran@yorku.ca</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I would like to add a couple of comments here. For years<br>
> I ran<br>
> > the listserv for the International Society for Third Sector<br>
> > Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on<br>
> volunteerism<br>
> > and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and<br>
> several<br>
> > patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers are dwindling<br>
> > through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers<br>
> are less<br>
> > forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that<br>
> due to a<br>
> > generational behavioral shift or the changing demands of<br>
> careers<br>
> > and volunteer work?<br>
> ><br>
> > Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are motivated by<br>
> three<br>
> > drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal satisfaction; (3)<br>
> career<br>
> > advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder model, outside<br>
> > NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are engaged as<br>
> part of<br>
> > their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside<br>
> NCSG young<br>
> > participants join for all three reasons, with many seeing<br>
> > participation to (hopefully) build career capital. This<br>
> can be<br>
> > particularly true for participants from areas where career<br>
> > opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN<br>
> participants<br>
> > have support for participation, either as an expense<br>
> account or<br>
> > an ability to cost ICANN participation against professional<br>
> > income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more binding and<br>
> > ICANN support is usually essential, and more than just a<br>
> “perk”.<br>
> ><br>
> > If one thinks of the elected and appointed positions within<br>
> > ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG<br>
> volunteer<br>
> > participation challenge boils down to two things, one<br>
> difficult<br>
> > and one relatively easy. The difficult one is resources.<br>
> > Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they go? Looking<br>
> > over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests that many of<br>
> > those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,<br>
> > consultants) where ICANN participation builds career capital,<br>
> > and where careers provide some resources for ICANN<br>
> > participation. The challenge here becomes that allocating<br>
> NCSG<br>
> > resources (travel) based on participation and ICANN knowledge<br>
> > favors those already best positioned to participate. The “old<br>
> > guard” gets the perks. This may become more complicated<br>
> as ICANN<br>
> > seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet<br>
> Governance<br>
> > (TIG) scope of policy.<br>
> ><br>
> > The easier part, again in my view, would be a major<br>
> expansion of<br>
> > mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several<br>
> ways and<br>
> > build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea would be to<br>
> > make elected positions include a mentorship<br>
> responsibility, and<br>
> > a process for selecting appropriate mentees. Mentee positions<br>
> > would come with the additional resources to make<br>
> participation<br>
> > possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also<br>
> result in<br>
> > greater career capital benefits, and increase the<br>
> probability of<br>
> > continued ICANN participation. One step in that direction<br>
> might<br>
> > be ICANN funding an in depth study of the experiences of<br>
> ICANN<br>
> > Fellowship participants (and others), both in terms of their<br>
> > continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work<br>
> has fit<br>
> > into their career progress, and in terms of the hard choices<br>
> > they must make about volunteering.<br>
> ><br>
> > Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here<br>
> because we<br>
> > can assume all participants are intent on “doing good”<br>
> and that<br>
> > “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does<br>
> inside ICANN<br>
> > and how that relates to one’s work life. I look forward<br>
> to the<br>
> > ideas and observations of others.<br>
> ><br>
> > Sam Lanfranco<br>
> ><br>
> > ----Original Message-----<br>
> > From: NCSG-Discuss <<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>>> On Behalf Of Johan<br>
> > Helsingius<br>
> > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>><br>
> > Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board<br>
> ><br>
> > > What level of effort is channeled to keep the people<br>
> in the<br>
> > community<br>
> > > not to get tired. Same for those that have indepth culture<br>
> > and ICANN<br>
> > > experience that are exhausted and not actively<br>
> participating<br>
> > in PDP.<br>
> ><br>
> > Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very<br>
> serious<br>
> > issue that needs to be addressed.<br>
> ><br>
> > Julf<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos<br>
> > /*<br>
> ><br>
> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) |<br>
> Alexander<br>
> > von Humboldt Foundation <<a href="https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/</a><br>
> <<a href="https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum<br>
> > Berlin für Sozialforschung (WZB) <<a href="https://wzb.eu/en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wzb.eu/en</a><br>
> <<a href="https://wzb.eu/en" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wzb.eu/en</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede<br>
> <<a href="https://direitosnarede.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://direitosnarede.org.br/</a> <<a href="https://direitosnarede.org.br/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://direitosnarede.org.br/</a>>><br>
> > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN<br>
> > <<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a><br>
> <<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg</a>>><br>
> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus<br>
> <<a href="https://igcaucus.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://igcaucus.org/</a> <<a href="https://igcaucus.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://igcaucus.org/</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > Twitter: @boomartins <<a href="https://twitter.com/boomartins" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/boomartins</a><br>
> <<a href="https://twitter.com/boomartins" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/boomartins</a>>> // Skype:<br>
> > bruna.martinsantos<br>
> > _<a href="mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu" target="_blank">bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu" target="_blank">bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu" target="_blank">bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu" target="_blank">bruna.martinsdossantos@wzb.eu</a>>>_ and <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> *Caleb Ogundele*<br>
> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904<br>
> Email: <a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:muyiwacaleb@gmail.com" target="_blank">muyiwacaleb@gmail.com</a>><br>
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