ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
muyiwacaleb at GMAIL.COM
Wed Sep 14 17:37:10 EEST 2022
Thank Farzeneh.
I can only give a +1 (x 100) to your comments and approach to resolving the
issue.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 5:33 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Caleb,
>
> If NCUC agrees to do that, then that is an internal conversation to be had
> and we don't have to discuss it with the outsiders. I personally don't know
> how this resolves the issue, many of NCUC members are NPOC members so in
> effect that could already be happening. Also ICANN bylaws says that NCUC
> should have a representative, so we need to consider that as well if we
> wanna appoint someone explicitly from NPOC we might actually go against the
> bylaws!!
>
> In any case, I think other than creating inter-constitutency rivalry and
> heart burn, this rotation solution will not work. We need to go and ask the
> Board and make a case for having more reps and not focus on battling
> internally over this.
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 6:16 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johan,
>>
>> I want to take a different view that it is a GNSO issue when it comes to
>> NomCom rebalancing.
>>
>> If GNSO has not taken a proactive approach, then let's ask the board
>> except NCUC will do a rotation of the NomCom seat with NPOC then we can do
>> internal constituency rebalancing.
>>
>> The last I checked, BC is not ready to part with the extra seat they have
>> and so it's good we make our case clear enough.
>>
>> Caleb
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 4:40 AM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>
>>> Yes, 'volunteer burnout' has been on our agenda with them for quite
>>> a while, but things like the board-driven Policy Transition Program
>>> Pilot shows that they have listened, so I think we owe it to them
>>> to discuss it, and give them input and feedback.
>>>
>>> The NomCom rebalancing, on the other hand, now seems to be primarily
>>> a GNSO Council issue.
>>>
>>> The recycling of veterans is definitely an issue (just look at the
>>> most recent NomCom appointments).
>>>
>>> Julf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14/09/2022 11:24, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>> > Hello, all,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you all so much for your contributions. The following questions
>>> > are the ones we submitted to Board-ops team:
>>> >
>>> > 1. /What is the Board’s take on the phenomenon of ICANN recycling
>>> > veterans for leadership positions. Does the Board think it’s
>>> > beneficial for the community to have the usual suspects rotating
>>> > between leadership roles of different stakeholder groups? How do
>>> we
>>> > fix this if we agree this is a problem? How does the Board imagine
>>> > its role in assisting the community to recruit more new blood?____/
>>> > 2. /Is there a possibility of rebalancing the NomCom?____/
>>> > 3. /What efforts are channeled to keep the people in the community
>>> from
>>> > volunteer fatigue?/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > To be honest, I am a little unsatisfied with the final set of
>>> questions
>>> > because these are either a. questions that cant necessarily be solved
>>> by
>>> > the board or b. things we have addressed with them before. Topics like
>>> > 'volunteer burnout' have been on our agenda with them for more than
>>> just
>>> > one meeting and I really wouldn't like for NCSG to sound like a broken
>>> > radio repeating the same problems over and over again; added to that I
>>> > think its a real shame no one managed to suggest at least one policy
>>> > topic for our discussion and trust that the debate as its proposed
>>> > sounds a little empty.
>>> >
>>> > In case anyone would like to suggest at least one policy topic I can
>>> > still try to see with board-ops whether theres a chance of changing
>>> one
>>> > of our topics. But in order to do so we need yall to suggest something.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Bruna
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>> > <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Sam,
>>> >
>>> > Good observations. I can understand why you put the focus on career
>>> > progression but I think significant focus needs to also be put on
>>> > the category where participation is heavily motivated by simply
>>> > doing good and personal satisfaction. Which like you suggest, this
>>> > category will neither build career capital nor will it provide any
>>> > resources for ICANN participation.
>>> >
>>> > Those in this category may have active careers, but their careers
>>> > are parallel to their volunteering in ICANN. Their career does not
>>> > benefit in any way from their participation in ICANN. The employers
>>> > of those in this category are often not interested in ICANN's work
>>> > and do not support them in any way, even with leave off work to
>>> > travel to an ICANN meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Therefore, those in this category will certainly benefit and can
>>> > only be in a position to volunteer if "NCSG resources were based on
>>> > participation and ICANN knowledge". I think this makes the
>>> > "difficult challenge" and proposed solution a bit more complex. Not
>>> > recognising that this category of volunteers also heavily depend on
>>> > ICANN resources risk eliminating them from the pool as well.
>>> >
>>> > Warmly,
>>> > Tomslin
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 22:53 Sam Lanfranco, <lanfran at yorku.ca
>>> > <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I would like to add a couple of comments here. For years I ran
>>> > the listserv for the International Society for Third Sector
>>> > Research (ISTR). There is more and more research on
>>> volunteerism
>>> > and on volunteer burnout. It is a serious problem, and several
>>> > patterns and trends are clear. Older volunteers are dwindling
>>> > through exhaustion or simply dying. Younger volunteers are less
>>> > forthcoming, for reasons less well understood. Is that due to a
>>> > generational behavioral shift or the changing demands of
>>> careers
>>> > and volunteer work?
>>> >
>>> > Of relevance to ICANN is that volunteers are motivated by three
>>> > drivers: (1) doing good; (2) personal satisfaction; (3) career
>>> > advancement. Within ICANN’s multistakeholder model, outside
>>> > NCSG, a good number of ICANN participants are engaged as part
>>> of
>>> > their paid job (a form of career advancement). Inside NCSG
>>> young
>>> > participants join for all three reasons, with many seeing
>>> > participation to (hopefully) build career capital. This can be
>>> > particularly true for participants from areas where career
>>> > opportunities are limited. Outside NCSG most ICANN participants
>>> > have support for participation, either as an expense account or
>>> > an ability to cost ICANN participation against professional
>>> > income. Inside NCSG resource constraints are more binding and
>>> > ICANN support is usually essential, and more than just a
>>> “perk”.
>>> >
>>> > If one thinks of the elected and appointed positions within
>>> > ICANN as “leadership roles” my view is that the NCSG volunteer
>>> > participation challenge boils down to two things, one difficult
>>> > and one relatively easy. The difficult one is resources.
>>> > Resources from where (ICANN?) and to whom do they go? Looking
>>> > over the past decade of NCSG activity suggests that many of
>>> > those who are active have careers (lawyers, academics,
>>> > consultants) where ICANN participation builds career capital,
>>> > and where careers provide some resources for ICANN
>>> > participation. The challenge here becomes that allocating NCSG
>>> > resources (travel) based on participation and ICANN knowledge
>>> > favors those already best positioned to participate. The “old
>>> > guard” gets the perks. This may become more complicated as
>>> ICANN
>>> > seems to drift toward a narrower Technical Internet Governance
>>> > (TIG) scope of policy.
>>> >
>>> > The easier part, again in my view, would be a major expansion
>>> of
>>> > mentorship within ICANN. That could proceed in several ways and
>>> > build on what is there in ICANN already. One idea would be to
>>> > make elected positions include a mentorship responsibility, and
>>> > a process for selecting appropriate mentees. Mentee positions
>>> > would come with the additional resources to make participation
>>> > possible and meaningful. Mentee positions could also result in
>>> > greater career capital benefits, and increase the probability
>>> of
>>> > continued ICANN participation. One step in that direction might
>>> > be ICANN funding an in depth study of the experiences of ICANN
>>> > Fellowship participants (and others), both in terms of their
>>> > continued ICANN engagement, in terms of how ICANN work has fit
>>> > into their career progress, and in terms of the hard choices
>>> > they must make about volunteering.
>>> >
>>> > Lastly, I have put the focus on career progress here because we
>>> > can assume all participants are intent on “doing good” and that
>>> > “personal satisfaction” is a blend of what one does inside
>>> ICANN
>>> > and how that relates to one’s work life. I look forward to the
>>> > ideas and observations of others.
>>> >
>>> > Sam Lanfranco
>>> >
>>> > ----Original Message-----
>>> > From: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>> On Behalf Of Johan
>>> > Helsingius
>>> > Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 5:45 AM
>>> > To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> > Subject: Re: ICANN75: NCSG Meeting with the ICANN Board
>>> >
>>> > > What level of effort is channeled to keep the people in the
>>> > community
>>> > > not to get tired. Same for those that have indepth culture
>>> > and ICANN
>>> > > experience that are exhausted and not actively participating
>>> > in PDP.
>>> >
>>> > Good point, Peter, I think volunteer burnout is a very serious
>>> > issue that needs to be addressed.
>>> >
>>> > Julf
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>> > /*
>>> >
>>> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>> > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>> >
>>> > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>>> > Berlin für Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>> >
>>> > Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>> > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>> >
>>> > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>> > bruna.martinsantos
>>> > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
>>> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>
> --
> Farzaneh
>
--
*Caleb Ogundele*
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Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
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