IGF Climate Change

Mili milisemlani at GMAIL.COM
Thu Sep 26 14:19:51 EEST 2019 

Really interesting convergence and great to learn so many facets of it. 
@Nick I would like to join the sub group and participate in advancing this discussion at and beyond ICANN.

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With gratitude 
Mili Semlani


On 26-Sep-2019, at 20:28, Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com> wrote:

Hi Alejandro,

Thank you for your comment, and I quite agree and have identified this as an area for potential action.
Would you like to join the sub-group of interested persons to discuss this in more detail off-list?

Kind regards,

Nick

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> On 26 Sep 2019, at 15:09, Alejandro Acosta <alejandroacostaalamo at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> Hello there,
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>   This is quite interesting topic and I usually try to pay attention.
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>   What I'm going to say probably does not fall 100% in ICANN ecosystem but anyhow I want to mention it.
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>   As many of you probably know, when IETF (or other organization) develop protocols they take into consideration many variable such as performance, security, compatibility, and many more. However, my perception is that energy saving & climate are not fully considered. 
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>   I have commented out about this previously:
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> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/v6ops/yedgGRf2oaSKNGssVQBcTdJm4JQ
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> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/X9twxdqy2Izvm8Ln0PXisy8t2Jk
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>   If my perception is wrong just ignore this message.
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> Thanks,
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> Alejandro,
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>> On 9/26/19 3:23 AM, Michael J. Oghia wrote:
>> Dear Peter, dear Raphael,
>> 
>> Peter – Thank you so much for sharing these and inviting me to collaborate, it's really my pleasure. Thank you for advancing this discussion, and as the IRPC is working so hard to do, we absolutely cannot separate climate and environmental justice from human rights. They go hand-in-hand, and even if it's cliche to say this, it doesn't make it any less true: we need the planet much more than it needs us. So, all of us need to do our part as much as possible. 
>> 
>> Raphael – indeed, I checked the US EPA's carbon calculator, and the number equivalent was something like 1,036 cars being driven per year or something like that. What that doesn't take into account, though, is that it's not a flat comparison. Regardless, though, I'm happy to push for this topic. We have no other choice.
>> 
>> Again, I am well, well aware that there are many, many pressing problems that civil society should address within the ICANN ecosystem and limited capacity. Given the community's role in shaping the direction of ICANN, however, I think it's important for us to be aware of our responsibility too. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> -Michael
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 7:37 PM Peter Micek <petermicek at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> To continue the good thoughts and ideas, I'm happy to say that Access Now published another climate post today, on the occasion of the UN Sustainable Development Summit.  https://www.accessnow.org/sustainability-and-digital-rights-how-theyre-connected-and-what-that-means-for-our-work/
>>> 
>>> We go into more detail on some links we see between digital rights and environmental justice. We focused on building a sustainable internet, reducing e-waste, and protecting environmental defenders. Thanks to Michael Oghia for the research and references.
>>> 
>>> This post comes on the heels of our new commitment to reduce the environmental footprint of RightsCon, beginning with our June 2020 event in Costa Rica: 
>>> https://www.rightscon.org/technology-in-the-time-of-climate-crisis/ 
>>> 
>>> Let's keep these ideas moving. Is there any mechanism or meeting being planned to more formally unite the climate justice and IG and digital rights worlds? 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:00 AM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Continuing the thread that Nick began a few days ago,  Adam Peake was so kind to share a blog post about ICANN's carbon footprint that Goran just published two days ago (it's great that all of these points are converging). You can read it here: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-s-carbon-footprint-blog
>>>> 
>>>> While I'm probably not the first person to raise this issue, I did specifically raise it – multiple times – with Goran and the board. Regardless of the response (i.e., support or lack of support) from the community, I knew it was important to do so. Goran told me, point blank, during the open session with him and the board during ICANN 60 (Abu Dhabi) that he was going to make this a priority, though it will take time. The fact that this is happening, even after some time, shows real sincerity on his part, and I think we should continue to advocate for ICANN Org to be transparent about this facet of our work.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm encouraged by this, and while it is a relatively small step, it's still one in the right direction. This is probably a low priority for most, but I think support for positive action is important 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> -Michael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:30 PM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is definitely more of a case study of the dangers of spreading dis/misinformation (and I say that as someone who was raised in a climate change-denying household for the record). This would align quite well with what we at GFMD (my organisation) are working on in our advocacy work, and the Earth Journalism Network (an Internews project) is very interested in this topic, too. To me, addressing how misinformation is exacerbating the climate crisis seems like a much more pressing and underdiscussed topic than the entirety of sustainability itself. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:17 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey all, my two cents: 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I believe that additionally to that, we could consider addressing the misinformation component to Climate change. I guess Trump and now my President with the entire fire at the Amazon situation have been part of a series of world leaders that have been denying the some climate incidents and helping spread inaccurate information about this. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In practical terms, I dont really know how to address this, but maybe a call to world leaders and organizations in not spreading misinformation and promoting full disclosure of information regarding this subject ? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best, 
>>>>>> B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le lun. 23 sept. 2019 à 14:15, Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>> Thanks Michael.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (FYI adding Carlos and Roli)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So it sounds like we have identified several problems, and we have some ideas for potential solutions (I like focused problem-based policy challenges!).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In terms of the IGF - would it benefit to see if we can create an additional specific session to convene and discuss this, outside of the Internet Rights and Principles Coalition (IRPC) one?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nick Shorey
>>>>>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
>>>>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>>>>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>>>>> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 19:09, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Indeed I have Nick! I don't mean to monopolise this thread either, it's just something I've been following for some time. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In terms of your question, I think the best policy outcome could be two-fold:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Internally: recognise how IG has a massive footprint, and address it accordingly. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Externally: work with the private sector to ensure that sustainability is infused into the core of technological design, and work toward creating more circular economies. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It will absolutely take multi-stakeholder collaboration too!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 6:49 PM Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all - Adding Corinne who replied on the ISOC list and has been engaged in this area.                                               
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Michael - Thank you for sharing all this information - you certainly have been busy on this topic!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you could see a policy outcome agreed at the IGF as a response to a single aspect of the Internet climate impact problem, what would it be?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Nick Shorey
>>>>>>>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
>>>>>>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com
>>>>>>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>>>>>>> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 18:23, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There's a lot of ground to cover here. Let me address your points inline
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:09 PM Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What debate is currently taking place on this topic and where?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> MO: As I said, within the IG space, it's limited. I've written a lot about this (see my CircleId profile, for instance), and even wrote about carbon offsetting as it relates to IG and aviation in general and ICANN in particular. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This isn't meant to be self-promotion, but merely to help                                                           illustrate how there is room for this in the IG ecosystem.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So far, there is some discussion in the ITU (e-waste, for instance) and within the IGF with the IRPC but it's largely glossed over or taken only as an individual stakeholder-related issue (e.g., what data centers, private tech companies, governments, etc. are doing about it, and not what we are all collectively doing).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I did an entire session on this topic in 2017 at EuroDIG. You can see all the information about the session, including a                                                           list of resources I've compiled                                                           related to ICTs and sustainability at: https://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Where (if any) do the gaps exist in current policy debate or initiatives?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There are many. I outline at least some of them in this chapter (Ch. 4) for the DC3's 2017 report outlining all the elements of sustainable internet access contrasted with sustainable development: http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/bitstream/handle/10438/19401/Community networks - the Internet by the people%2c for the people.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. What can we do to progress this topic through dialogue and actions?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Know what's already out there. Here are some notable examples and resources:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 2. The ICT for Sustainability (ICT4S) community: http://ict4s.org
>>>>>>>>>> 3. The https://ClimateAction.tech community
>>>>>>>>>> 4. The IEA's Digitization and Energy report and Greenpeace's Click Clean campaign 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've also attached slides from a presentation I give that explains more about it. Happy to be a resource!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> <Internet & Sustainability (Oghia).pdf>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Bruna Martins dos Santos 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>> @boomartins
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