IGF Climate Change

Wed Sep 25 13:39:56 EEST 2019

Oops, a mistake, that will teach me doing some mental number crunching on
my phone: 5M kg is 5k metric tons, so 1000 average US cars and not 100 000.

Americans drive a lot, mind you, but I suppose now I don't feel it's *that *
much

Not that it shouldnt be reduced, though; thanks again Michael for all your
efforts in driving that topic.

On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 2:37 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <
rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com> wrote:

> For all ICANN-funded flights, we're looking at 11M pounds of CO2. That's
> close to 5M kg, or 500 000 (metric) tons of CO2. According to the US EPA, a
> "typical" car is close to 5 (metric) tons/y. So ICANN-funded flights making
> as much CO2 as 100 000 average US cars.
>
> I haven't made up my mind whether that's a lot or not, but just some
> numbers for comparison
>
> A nice day to all,
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 1:38 PM Peter Micek <petermicek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> To continue the good thoughts and ideas, I'm happy to say that Access Now
>> published another climate post today, on the occasion of the UN Sustainable
>> Development Summit.
>> https://www.accessnow.org/sustainability-and-digital-rights-how-theyre-connected-and-what-that-means-for-our-work/
>>
>> We go into more detail on some links we see between digital rights and
>> environmental justice. We focused on building a sustainable internet,
>> reducing e-waste, and protecting environmental defenders. Thanks to Michael
>> Oghia for the research and references.
>>
>> This post comes on the heels of our new commitment to reduce the
>> environmental footprint of RightsCon, beginning with our June 2020 event in
>> Costa Rica:
>> https://www.rightscon.org/technology-in-the-time-of-climate-crisis/
>>
>> Let's keep these ideas moving. Is there any mechanism or meeting being
>> planned to more formally unite the climate justice and IG and digital
>> rights worlds?
>>
>> Best,
>> Peter
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:00 AM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Continuing the thread that Nick began a few days ago,  Adam Peake was so
>>> kind to share a blog post about ICANN's carbon footprint that Goran just
>>> published two days ago (it's great that all of these points are
>>> converging). You can read it here:
>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-s-carbon-footprint-blog
>>>
>>> While I'm probably not the first person to raise this issue, I did specifically
>>> raise it
>>> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170815_aviation_the_dirty_not_so_little_secret_of_internet_governance/>
>>> – multiple times – with Goran and the board. Regardless of the response
>>> (i.e., support or lack of support) from the community, I knew it was
>>> important to do so. Goran told me, point blank, during the open session
>>> with him and the board during ICANN 60 (Abu Dhabi) that he was going to
>>> make this a priority, though it will take time. The fact that this is
>>> happening, even after some time, shows real sincerity on his part, and I
>>> think we should continue to advocate for ICANN Org to be transparent about
>>> this facet of our work.
>>>
>>> I'm encouraged by this, and while it is a relatively small step, it's
>>> still one in the right direction. This is probably a low priority for most,
>>> but I think support for positive action is important
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 5:30 PM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>>
>>>> This is definitely more of a case study of the dangers of spreading
>>>> dis/misinformation (and I say that as someone who was raised in a
>>>> climate change-denying household for the record). This would align quite
>>>> well with what we at GFMD (my organisation) are working on in our advocacy
>>>> work, and the Earth Journalism Network (an Internews project) is very
>>>> interested in this topic, too. To me, addressing how misinformation is
>>>> exacerbating the climate crisis seems like a much more pressing and
>>>> underdiscussed topic than the entirety of sustainability itself.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 7:17 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all, my two cents:
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that additionally to that, we could consider addressing the
>>>>> misinformation component to Climate change. I guess Trump and now my
>>>>> President with the entire fire at the Amazon situation have been part of a
>>>>> series of world leaders that have been denying the some climate incidents
>>>>> and helping spread inaccurate information about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> In practical terms, I dont really know how to address this, but maybe
>>>>> a call to world leaders and organizations in not spreading misinformation
>>>>> and promoting full disclosure of information regarding this subject ?
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>> Le lun. 23 sept. 2019 à 14:15, Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com> a
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Michael.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (FYI adding Carlos and Roli)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it sounds like we have identified several problems, and we have
>>>>>> some ideas for potential solutions (I like focused problem-based policy
>>>>>> challenges!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of the IGF - would it benefit to see if we can create an
>>>>>> additional specific session to convene and discuss this, outside of the
>>>>>> Internet Rights and Principles Coalition (IRPC) one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick Shorey
>>>>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
>>>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <lists at nickshorey.com>
>>>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>>>> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 19:09, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed I have Nick! I don't mean to monopolise this thread either,
>>>>>> it's just something I've been following for some time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of your question, I think the best policy outcome could be
>>>>>> two-fold:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internally: recognise how IG has a massive footprint, and address it
>>>>>> accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Externally: work with the private sector to ensure that
>>>>>> sustainability is infused into the core of technological design, and work
>>>>>> toward creating more circular economies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will absolutely take multi-stakeholder collaboration too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019, 6:49 PM Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all - Adding Corinne who replied on the ISOC list and has been
>>>>>>> engaged in this area.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael - Thank you for sharing all this information - you certainly
>>>>>>> have been busy on this topic!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you could see a policy outcome agreed at the IGF as a response to
>>>>>>> a single aspect of the Internet climate impact problem, what would it be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick Shorey
>>>>>>> Phone: +44 (0) 7552 455 988
>>>>>>> Email: lists at nickshorey.com <lists at nickshorey.com>
>>>>>>> Skype: nick.shorey
>>>>>>> Twitter: @nickshorey
>>>>>>> LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/nicklinkedin
>>>>>>> Web: www.nickshorey.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Sep 2019, at 18:23, Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Nick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a lot of ground to cover here. Let me address your points
>>>>>>> inline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:09 PM Nick Shorey <lists at nickshorey.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *1. What debate is currently taking place on this topic and where?*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MO: As I said, within the IG space, it's limited. I've written a lot
>>>>>>> about this (see my CircleId <http://www.circleid.com/members/7683>
>>>>>>> profile, for instance), and even wrote about carbon offsetting
>>>>>>> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20170815_aviation_the_dirty_not_so_little_secret_of_internet_governance/>
>>>>>>> as it relates to IG and aviation in general and ICANN in particular.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This isn't meant to be self-promotion, but merely to help illustrate
>>>>>>> how there is room for this in the IG ecosystem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, there is some discussion in the ITU (e-waste, for instance)
>>>>>>> and within the IGF with the IRPC but it's largely glossed over or taken
>>>>>>> only as an individual stakeholder-related issue (e.g., what data centers,
>>>>>>> private tech companies, governments, etc. are doing about it, and not what
>>>>>>> we are all collectively doing).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did an entire session on this topic in 2017 at EuroDIG. You can
>>>>>>> see all the information about the session, including a list of resources
>>>>>>> I've compiled related to ICTs and sustainability at:
>>>>>>> https://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *2. Where (if any) do the gaps exist in current policy debate or
>>>>>>>> initiatives?*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many. I outline at least some of them in this chapter (Ch.
>>>>>>> 4) for the DC3's 2017 report outlining all the elements of sustainable
>>>>>>> internet access contrasted with sustainable development: http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/bitstream/handle/10438/19401/Community
>>>>>>> networks - the Internet by the people%2c for the
>>>>>>> people.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
>>>>>>> <http://bibliotecadigital.fgv.br/dspace/bitstream/handle/10438/19401/Community%20networks%20-%20the%20Internet%20by%20the%20people%2c%20for%20the%20people.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *3. What can we do to progress this topic through dialogue and
>>>>>>>> actions?*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Know what's already out there. Here are some notable examples and
>>>>>>> resources:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. The ICT for Sustainability (ICT4S) community: http://ict4s.org
>>>>>>> 3. The https://ClimateAction.tech <https://climateaction.tech/>
>>>>>>>  community
>>>>>>> 4. The IEA's Digitization and Energy report
>>>>>>> <https://www.iea.org/digital/%C2%A0> and Greenpeace's Click Clean
>>>>>>> <http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/click-clean/>
>>>>>>> campaign
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also attached slides from a presentation I give that explains
>>>>>>> more about it. Happy to be a resource!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Internet & Sustainability (Oghia).pdf>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype ID: bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> @boomartins
>>>>>
>>>>
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