[NCSG-PC] one on one with Goran

Thu Oct 3 09:24:13 EEST 2019

Peter:
Thanks for this list of issues. Good to see AccessNow involved.
On 3) I can tell that we are not failing to bring Whois into compliance with GDPR, we are doing pretty well under the temp spec. I, along with Stephanie and others, are on the EPDP team working on that.
Most of the sensitive data has been redacted, and we are now debating a system of “standardized access /disclosure,” known affectionately among EPDP team members as SoSAD, which would allow parties with a lawful basis to gain disclosure of the redacted information. We hope to have some kind of a preliminary report by the Montreal meeting.

Dr. Milton L Mueller
School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology
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Hi all,

Not sure if it's too late but there are a few topics Access Now is interested in:

 1) fake domains and related spoofing issues, which we find difficult to resolve with ICANN; relatedly, recent unauthorized changes to Uzbek country code tlds; 2) efforts to build a human rights policy into ICANN; 3) ongoing failures to bring the WHOIS system into GDPR compliance; 4) carbon footprint efforts, including as we look to reform rightscon sustainability.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 1:24 AM Michael J. Oghia <mike.oghia at gmail.com<mailto:mike.oghia at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks so much Farzi for raising the question about ICANN's carbon footprint.

@Stephanie - given what Goran shared with me (about needing community support and push for more action), and given that there are so many other pressing, issue-related questions you need to raise, may I recommend that you raise the issue (about carbon), say that it has attracted substantial discussion on the list, and that we support greater efforts to evaluate and ultimately reduce emissions? Or something to that effect? At least indicate that at least a portion of the NCSG supports these efforts, but also add the caveat (that Ayden raised) that in an effort to cut emissions, civil society participation should remain a priority.
Best,
-Michael

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 11:59 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi

I apologize. Here we go.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 5:48 PM Raphaël Beauregard-Lacroix <rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com<mailto:rbeauregardlacroix at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Farzaneh

Thanks for bringing this up. Would you mind attaching the document in question? I suppose it was posted on the PC list, and although it is public (iirc) I think having it here would help other people give their comments.

Have a nice day,

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 4:13 PM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Stephanie and all,
I very much agree with raising the point about blog vs. public comments (thanks Farzaneh!). If not during this call, then next time or in Montreal somehow. This has been raised repeatedly and not only by us but seems to get rather little or no explanation.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 21:50, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

These area excellent points Farzi, thanks.  ANswers in line:
On 2019-10-01 15:28, farzaneh badii wrote:
Hi Stephanie

Thanks a lot for putting this together. I cc'd the list.

The first question is an actual comment. So he has invited some NCSG members to dinner? Or is this the usual dinner invitation? And who would you like to take with you to this dinner if you could take other members?
He has asked me to find 10 random folks.  working on it, assume councillors and constituency heads, but also want new people.  Thoughts welcome.

The second question, you are asking for a research librarian for the community. This should have been in form of additional budget request and I don't think anything can be done about it now. It's simply too late and the CEO doesn't have a pot of money to give to noncommercials to have a research librarian.  This again is not a question, it's an ask. I don't think there would be any problem with if we suggest this as an ABR and promote it and get support from other community groups (though I am dubious about its effectiveness, since if we don't have many people active, why would they want to use a research libraria?)
This is a staffing nudge, not an ABR.  They need one, they are a grown up org and they have info needs.

The third question is again another ask for a budget, and this time its reallocation.I see that in this request, you mention that CSG was disinterested in meeting with "us". And then there was a concession? Would be glad to know more about this if you could share the details. You are asking for another day to be added to Cancun for NCSG to meet internally. I don't have an issue with that but I am wondering if the CEO will even entertain your request if you don't say the objectives of this one day meeting with NCSG.

Well our partners there do not think it is worth their time and effort to meet with us in an intercessional. SO they proposed a one day addon.  I think we need, as an SG, to start thinking about what our role is, how are we structured, does it make sense today, etc.  Money is going to be sucked into the deficit if we don't use it, I want it.

I'd like to ask the CEO, and we have been asking this before, why some important call for comments from the community are published on blogs and not on public comment page? Can that be fixed?

Are you going to discuss his blog about ICANN's carbon foot print?

Could you also please raise the point that we are unclear about the nature of evolving ICANN's MSM process? Brian Cute (if I am not mistaken) was appointed by the Board or the CEO, and this whole initiative was created in a top-down manner I believe. How do they want to actually evolve the MSM when the process of evolving it is a top down process?

I will raise both points, but if I put it in his briefing note, which is restricted to three points, it will be like waving a red flag in front of a bull.  He thinks he is being transparent.

I hope that answers your questions and thanks for engaging on this, much appreciated.

Farzaneh

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 11:48 AM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:

I have my one on 14 with Goran tomorrow.  I am late in sending these questions out for approcal, they were due yesterday.  I have discussed with Bruna, that is it.  Let me know if you have any reactions, I am sending very shortly.

cheers Steph
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