Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council

[Remmy Nweke]

Hi Farzaneh
I must commend you and the Working Party for the work on this document and
urge everyone desirous of change to look at it and make input especially
those victims.
I (ITRealms.DSA) also left some comments and suggestions with hope that
will aid the process developed by the Working Party.

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On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> We have been discussing this for a long time, past couple of years. ICANN
> has improved upon its processes, we asked them to give us the invitation
> sooner etc.
>
> I am a devoted advocate of holding ICANN meetings in visa friendly
> countries. This doesn't mean necessarily not requiring visas all but it
> means they have stable visa rules (it won't change overnight), the visa
> rules are more or less the same in most countries. Has embassies in most
> places.
>
>  countries that have stable visa rules, that cover many countries etc.
> When ICANN asked for comments on venue choice, I believe we made some
> comments with regards to the country being visa friendly.
>
>
> in 2016, I had an informal working party that came up with this document:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bKGEtdLkwAyPTcPtR9WqzH2wmW-pZmhhZfUWgejeKEU/edit
>
> You can continue working on it.
>
> Also remember that getting a visa is hard work. You need to spend a lot of
> time to gather information (even when the visa services provided by ICANN
> provide you with info, you need to double check) otherwise you will face
> visa issues. For example, the rule that if you have a US visa you can go to
> Panama has a duration Caveat written on their webiste:
> http://www.embassyofpanama.org/inmigration-and-visas/ It is very
> important to check these rules.
>
> You need to always check multiple reliable sources, specifically the
> "official" website of the embassies in order to find out the rules and
> conditions. Yes, not fair, yes time consuming. But it is a price we pay
> unfortunately for "having been born in one country and not the other", in
> other words, price we pay for something we had no control over!
>
> One last word, reactions to these issues, unfortunately, have been
> impulsive. We just get upset we say we have to fix this and then when it
> comes the right moment to fix it (when ICANN asks for comments for example)
> no one really comments. While I do criticize ICANN for being sometimes
> insensitive regarding visa issues, we have seen a lot of improvement, I
> also think the community should also be more active.
>
> Best
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Elsa
>> Country names and description of incidents will be fine ask long as we
>> keep victims off except where express authorisation is given.
>>
>> Although this subject is in public domain already and it's not criminal,
>> I don't think it has consequence for another attempt, all we need do is to
>> learn from this experience and conditions.
>>
>> For instance you don't expect VOA - VISA ON ARRIVAL, if your country
>> don't have that relationship with intended country of visit. Any country
>> without embassy has a consulate nearby they work with.
>>
>> Also ICANN travel have to be on top of the game to offer the most current
>> advice.
>>
>> Regards
>> Remmy
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:29 Elsa S, <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely Renata! I think we don’t need to mention names. The reason
>>> why I suggested collecting country names and visa issues is only for us to
>>> put together maybe a statement with suggested requirements for ICANN to
>>> take into consideration when deciding on the next meeting location.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you think it’s a good idea and we could initiate
>>> something!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Elsa
>>> —
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good point Renata, we can focus on the immigration processes and steps
>>>> taken to facilitate acess to the ICANN meeting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Sonia H. <s.sonia.h at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That seems to be a very crucial point thank you for raising Renata. I
>>>>> also support the idea to keep pushing this and will be happy to help
>>>>> however it may be needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Su Sonia Herring
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2018 Mon at 17:11 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree w/ complaining about the visa restrictions, documents number
>>>>>> of people turned down and countries of origin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But please please please
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't expose people's names
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some visa databases are interconnected (Puerto Rico, Panama and USA
>>>>>> for instance) and a simple research online can show when someone has
>>>>>> been denied visa in each of these meetings and may hinder their 2nd
>>>>>> attempt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>>
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