Elsa Saade as temp alternate to Arsene on GNSO Council

Mon Jun 25 23:28:40 EEST 2018

The best is that ICANN send the invitations to the embassies especially for
staff who are affiliated with ICANN and those who are supported by ICANN.
it's not everyone who seeks to immigrate. and it's also valid for IGF
meetings.

Greeting

*..............................................................................Adam
Ahmat Doungous*

Le mar. 26 juin 2018 à 03:30, Tracy Kadesa <kadesatracy at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Please share all those countries that don't want Africans so that we know
> them not just for the purpose of ICANN meetings but for other world
> meetings as well. We need to know all of them so that whenever they are
> tabled as hosts wherever, we oppose. It is 2018, this type of
> discrimination has to stop.Surely in 2018, we are discussing where Africans
> can and can't go?sickening!
>
> Regards
>
> Tracy Kadesa,
> LL.B ,University of Nairobi.
> Dip KSL
> tracykadesa.wordpress.com
> legalwalk.wordpress.com
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 4:15 AM, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Farza, you are correct, more active participation from
>> stakeholders within NCSG family is required.
>> Regards
>> Re
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 19:55 farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have been discussing this for a long time, past couple of years.
>>> ICANN has improved upon its processes, we asked them to give us the
>>> invitation sooner etc.
>>>
>>> I am a devoted advocate of holding ICANN meetings in visa friendly
>>> countries. This doesn't mean necessarily not requiring visas all but it
>>> means they have stable visa rules (it won't change overnight), the visa
>>> rules are more or less the same in most countries. Has embassies in most
>>> places.
>>>
>>>  countries that have stable visa rules, that cover many countries etc.
>>> When ICANN asked for comments on venue choice, I believe we made some
>>> comments with regards to the country being visa friendly.
>>>
>>>
>>> in 2016, I had an informal working party that came up with this
>>> document:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bKGEtdLkwAyPTcPtR9WqzH2wmW-pZmhhZfUWgejeKEU/edit
>>>
>>> You can continue working on it.
>>>
>>> Also remember that getting a visa is hard work. You need to spend a lot
>>> of time to gather information (even when the visa services provided by
>>> ICANN provide you with info, you need to double check) otherwise you will
>>> face visa issues. For example, the rule that if you have a US visa you can
>>> go to Panama has a duration Caveat written on their webiste:
>>> http://www.embassyofpanama.org/inmigration-and-visas/ It is very
>>> important to check these rules.
>>>
>>> You need to always check multiple reliable sources, specifically the
>>> "official" website of the embassies in order to find out the rules and
>>> conditions. Yes, not fair, yes time consuming. But it is a price we pay
>>> unfortunately for "having been born in one country and not the other", in
>>> other words, price we pay for something we had no control over!
>>>
>>> One last word, reactions to these issues, unfortunately, have been
>>> impulsive. We just get upset we say we have to fix this and then when it
>>> comes the right moment to fix it (when ICANN asks for comments for example)
>>> no one really comments. While I do criticize ICANN for being sometimes
>>> insensitive regarding visa issues, we have seen a lot of improvement, I
>>> also think the community should also be more active.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 7:22 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Elsa
>>>> Country names and description of incidents will be fine ask long as we
>>>> keep victims off except where express authorisation is given.
>>>>
>>>> Although this subject is in public domain already and it's not
>>>> criminal, I don't think it has consequence for another attempt, all we need
>>>> do is to learn from this experience and conditions.
>>>>
>>>> For instance you don't expect VOA - VISA ON ARRIVAL, if your country
>>>> don't have that relationship with intended country of visit. Any country
>>>> without embassy has a consulate nearby they work with.
>>>>
>>>> Also ICANN travel have to be on top of the game to offer the most
>>>> current advice.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 17:29 Elsa S, <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Definitely Renata! I think we don’t need to mention names. The reason
>>>>> why I suggested collecting country names and visa issues is only for us to
>>>>> put together maybe a statement with suggested requirements for ICANN to
>>>>> take into consideration when deciding on the next meeting location.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you think it’s a good idea and we could initiate
>>>>> something!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elsa
>>>>> —
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good point Renata, we can focus on the immigration processes and
>>>>>> steps taken to facilitate acess to the ICANN meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Sonia H. <s.sonia.h at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That seems to be a very crucial point thank you for raising Renata.
>>>>>>> I also support the idea to keep pushing this and will be happy to help
>>>>>>> however it may be needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Su Sonia Herring
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 Jun 2018 Mon at 17:11 Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree w/ complaining about the visa restrictions, documents number
>>>>>>>> of people turned down and countries of origin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But please please please
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't expose people's names
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some visa databases are interconnected (Puerto Rico, Panama and USA
>>>>>>>> for instance) and a simple research online can show when someone has
>>>>>>>> been denied visa in each of these meetings and may hinder their 2nd
>>>>>>>> attempt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Renata
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>>> Consultant
>>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>>
>>>>
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