Hold us accountable

[Ayden Férdeline]

Hi Raoul,

You are on the Executive Committee of the NCSG.

I note [from this email](https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-ec/2018-June/000358.html) that you did not dial into the NCSG EC call last month - this was only the second EC call of the year - so when only two members of the EC (Farzi, and Robin) do dial in, I imagine it becomes to difficult to, as you term it, "get on with the program." So before you criticise others I'd suggest you look at what you bring to the table.

Perhaps these decisions that you happen to know nothing about happened on one of the calls you didn't dial into?

Ayden

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 11 July 2018 12:53 AM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

> We should get on with the program, approve new members and send information requests to applicants that we needed more information from. Hopefully we can then approve them promptly, after receiving adequate responses.
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 23:46 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>>
>> My intention was to show good faith and taking a step forward towards making improvements in our processes. Which I promised during the campaign and we are making progress.  In the process of explaining myself and providing my reasons I gave the impression that people, leaders members cannot ask questions. This is not the case. I make myself readily available to answer questions transparently and on this mailing list.
>>
>> As to the time that it took for membership approval, NCSG EC members have to all go through each applicant and comment. This takes us  time, because not at all times everyone is responsive. There was also a glitch with the system. We have made improvements on that. I am also working on making civicrm (our database management) more efficient.
>>
>> As to the other concerns Raoul is mentioning, I am not so clear what he means by kicking out a "selected member" from EC list. As soon as he clarifies I will explain as much as I can.
>>
>> We always inform approved members periodically and not wait for other inquiries but
>> t
>> he system didn't save ncsg ec members comments. There was approximately a 20 day delay. If I am not mistaken.
>>
>> What can we do about that? If we are running late we can send emails to the applicants. We can also have a confirmation email set up.
>>
>> I am not denying the shortcomings. I encourage you to contact me if you have any question regarding decisions. I will remain responsive.
>>
>> There is always something not to be liked or a leadership style you might not approve of. We can have discussions to resolve them.
>>
>> It's a pat on the shoulder but I am and was very much an advocate for outreach and making opportunities for it to happen.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:28 PM Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Raoul,
>>>
>>> Can you elaborate more on circumstances that led to an elected NCUC EC member to be quicked out of the list? I think this is outrageous if it happens to be true.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>> Arsène Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> +243 993810967
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2018, at 8:04 PM, Raoul Plommer <plommer at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> It is outrageous that the NCUC Chair would seek to put pressure on you to approve applications for membership who do not fulfil our membership criteria. We are here to defend non-commercial uses and users of the Domain Name System, and must be careful not to allow those who do not support a free and open Internet to use our platform in order to push different priorities.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden, I think it's pretty far from outrageous, that a constituency chair is asking about the status of membership applications that were filled months ago. I understand the frustration even more when it's not so much NCSG that does the outreach, but its constituencies. Especially Renata has brought more members to the NCSG than anyone else, as far as I know and having too many member applications is definitely a positive problem. But I'm not so concerned about the approval of new members as treating our current ones - the NCSG chair kicking out a selected member from the NCUC EC mailing list without consulting the EC chair (or anyone else in EC) is a lot worse in my eyes and shows open disregard for good protocol and due process.
>>>>
>>>> But yeah, back to member candidates, usually the delay doesn't come from denying GAC members or IGOs who might actually have very different viewpoints for internet, but from trying to get an answer from authentic applicants on making noncommercial DNS policy.
>>>>
>>>> More often than not with unclear motives, we actually have to ask how they would be contributing in making DNS policy. On top of that, we've had serious problems with a broken registry for new members as well as the scheduling meetings and coordinating the ~unanimous approval of members between all five members of the EC in very different time zones. So it's not all that easy even when the registry is working, which it still isn't.
>>>>
>>>> The NCSG EC members have decided to ask for some clarifications on a good few member applications but by no means should we let all the approved candidates wait for those requests to be filled. This could be improved quite easily, at least once the registry is working again.
>>>>
>>>> -Raoul
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