Attendance and Recording of the Monthly NCSG Policy Call of 24 Jan 2017 at 1200 UTC.
Maryam Bakoshi
maryam.bakoshi at ICANN.ORG
Sun Jan 28 17:56:00 EET 2018
Dear all,
Please find attendance and recording of the Monthly NCSG Policy Call of 24 Jan 2017 at 1200 UTC.
Attendance: Alperen Eken, Arsene Tungali, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, Dina, Solveig Jalkanen, Farell FOLLY, Farzaneh Badii, Gabdibé GAB-HINGONNÉ, Gangadhar Panday, Gnanajeyaraman Rajaram, GZ Kabir, Kathy Kleiman, Kris Seeburn, Louise Marie Hurel, Martin Silva, Mónica Trochez, Nick Shorey, Olga Kyryliuk, Pascal Bekono, Rafik Dammak, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Shahul Hameed, Stephanie Perrin, Tapani Tarvainen, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Vernatius Ezeama
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Transcript: Attached
AC Chat:
Maryam Bakoshi:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Wednesday 24th Jan 2018 at 1200 UTC
Ayden Férdeline:hi all
Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome All
Mónica Trochez:Hi all
Rafik:hi all, we will start in one minutew
Gangadhar Panday:Hi all This is Ganga from Hyderabad India NGO Name: Babul Films Society
Tatiana Tropina:hi all
Shahul Hameed:Hi everyone
Alperen Eken:Hi all
Nick Shorey:Hi everyone
Alperen Eken:I cannot connect my audio because of some technical issues here, but I am listening
Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome
Farzaneh Badii:hi
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Hello
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Good day o/
Ayden Férdeline:A great turnout today. Thanks so much everyone for logging in and joining us!
Stephanie Perrin:Hi everyone, great turnout today!
Olga Kyryliuk:Hi All
Nick Shorey:Is there someone attempting to talk? I can hear some distorted and quiet noise in the background
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:(maybe an unmuted mic)
Farell FOLLY:I check mine... I am also on audio bridge..
Farell FOLLY:Phone muted, too.
Farell FOLLY:hello all and BTW, Happy new year
Maryam Bakoshi:I have asked for the operator to mute the line
Maryam Bakoshi:Apolodies for the distraction
Maryam Bakoshi:*g
Nick Shorey:@Stephanie: Do you think extending the consultation to a broader set of stakeholders would represent an improvement (step 2)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Didn't hear last sentence
Stephanie Perrin:I raised the point that if the input from the public did not raise an issue, we are constrained from dealing with it.
Stephanie Perrin:Maryam, please call Arsene back, he has dropped off
Nick Shorey:What's the general view of other constituents on the council - is it near certain to be a unanimously favourable vote in support?
Nick Shorey:Has there been any discussion around extending ICANN's stay of execution?
Maryam Bakoshi:He is back in, Stephanie
Nick Shorey:Can we abstain?
Stephanie Perrin:People did not actually make the Charter discussion calls
Stephanie Perrin:It has been a busy time, and Michele was sick/away
Nick Shorey:And abstention is most definitely NOT voting against.
Stephanie Perrin:Well that is an option that I had not really thought about Nick, not a bad idea....
Farzaneh Badii:yeah I find that strange...
Farzaneh Badii:how can abstention be against... defeating its purpose!
Nick Shorey:So an abstention may be one vehicle to express our mixed views on this
Nick Shorey:"It's very necessary, we don't hate it, but we can't quite live with it"
Louise Marie Hurel:Hi all. Apologies for the delay, had another meeting just now.
Farzaneh Badii:creative ABRs ... GNSO council :))
Nick Shorey:Is there a sum attached to this particular ABR Ayden?
Ayden Férdeline:No sum available but there is a cost involved. I do not see why this tool would be a priority for the community. I see why it would be priority for staff, as it would make their jobs easier (equally important). But it will use community resources; whether that is staff time that would otherwise be available to support our projects; or funding.
Nick Shorey:Sounds like CORE BUSINESS to me
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Do I understand correctly, the tool to sign up and follow progress?
Ayden Férdeline:yes, it is a glorified sign up form
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:A tool created by staff and maintained by staff?
Farzaneh Badii:they say we should not specify the sum. ICANN people will decide
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:hang on
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:(I think dina is connecting her mic)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Yes, sorry the voice is not working
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I wanted to add that this is probably a minor investment.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I also doubt it will take a lot of time from the staff, could be a very good idea.
Rafik:"With an increase in Policy Development Process (PDP) Working Group (WG) activity and membership,there is a need for a centralized platform to optimize WG onboarding of interested communitymembers. This need has already been expressed by the GNSO Council previously(https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_report-2Dcomments-2D&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=2H1l0yK8hVHhVuDv1pBpUKKG6csWOpflXGVArrNvmtM&e= op-budget- fy17-five- year-06jun16- en.pdfcomment 103 p.80). The GNSO Council is aware that a Working Group Enrollment tool is part of theICANN I.T. budget, but wishes to see active development in the matter. Onboarding is currentlyhandled by GNSO Secretariat staff via Google sign up forms, and individual email follow ups regardingStatement of interest completion. The current process is slow, decentralized and administrativelyheavy, both for staff persons involved and community members. An automated sign-up tool wouldallow for a clear and centralized access to working group onboarding, facilitate group managementfrom sign up to meeting attendance management, facilitate adherence with app"
Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Nick's concern
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Thank you, Rafik.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:+1 Nick
Nick Shorey:@Rafik - perfect
Rafik:for reference agenda is here https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_gnsocouncilmeetings_Final-2BProposed-2BAgenda-2B30-2BJanuary-2B2018&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=RHUyHkFULJvrrmGbxN3Fi_8_51QZug5NaleS1bTjXuo&e=
Rafik:the draft comment is here https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_gnso-2Dcouncil-2Dicann-2Dincremental-2Dchanges-2D20jan18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=FHBknWRu2ev97z-XR5kzRP6V9ECSaLL5lvEcM8XmXJk&e=
Farell FOLLY:thx
Ayden Férdeline:hand
Louise Marie Hurel:Agree with Rafik
Bruna Santos:+1
Tatiana Tropina:I remember when some of the councillors told us we have to narrow our comments on travel support
Tatiana Tropina:I agree with Ayden that we should hold them to the same standard
Kris Seeburn:keep it ibjective and nice and sweet ---i agree with Ayden although its not for me to say so but i think being focused on the important bits.
Tatiana Tropina:or I least I wouldn't mind to hold them to the same standard.
Tatiana Tropina:agree Rafik
Tatiana Tropina:friendly amendments
Stephanie Perrin:I agree that how the meetings are organized impacts our work. A seven day meeting is a big commitment....the group that was working on meeting planning tried to address "separable parts" of the meeting, in order to facilitate people coming to half the meeting, and I do believe this is an important focus....making sure activities are grouped during the week so that one could come late or leave early depending on their focus of interest.
Farzaneh Badii:I am sorry I have to leave in a couple of minutes for a meeting, if it ends timely I will come back
Ayden Férdeline:I support the drafted Council comment re: Item 8. Seems logical to me
Stephanie Perrin:I must confess that I have not focused on this topic yet....it is important.
Ayden Férdeline:removal of particpant procedure needs a little more focus however
Stephanie Perrin:Yes, I am finding the WHOIS2 review team is going in circles. Very much afraid of what is going on.
Alperen Eken:I need to leave for a meeting as well, will come back asap
Stephanie Perrin:Complaint officer is in a conflict situation, in my view,.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_12pERsLkRtSg0hqgSDw9VWMRtuw59TQXcIvuEmyJ9e9A_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=2qluFiPRztEp-tG4OLk7sRpqACLCUCb8biSoNiMP2bU&e=
Rafik:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_12pERsLkRtSg0hqgSDw9VWMRtuw59TQXcIvuEmyJ9e9A_edit&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=TMqpAP9GbQYz5og3q608OuJMPdMfy-IB1njWegTY9nc&e=
Louise Marie Hurel:thanks
Ayden Férdeline:i sent some edits to the Council list, more stylistic than substantive
Louise Marie Hurel:Agree with that. Think we should support the continuation SSR2
Ayden Férdeline:suggested edits, i should say
Louise Marie Hurel:Yes
Louise Marie Hurel:+1
Bruna Santos:yep
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I am glad SSR2 issue is being addressed constructively and some work with the group has been done already. I understand not all team members were engaged/qualified: engaging new members could make sense.
Louise Marie Hurel:I agrre with you Dina. There was an internal problem of coordination. I was participating as an observer and thigns got a bit confusing after a while. So, a new team (those that want to stay) and others that might want to engage should be on the table.
Bruna Santos:SSR2 is in the middle of its implementation, right ?
Stephanie Perrin:I don't think they have actually reached the half way point ....
Rafik:they were stopped at ToS or scope...
Bruna Santos:oh
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Feedback has been collected from the team, reviewed and clear action items were put down.
Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Steph
Nick Shorey:I was also an observer on SSR2 and agree with Louise. I wonder though whether addressing these issues of coordination might require new chairs etc
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I have a comment: Comment Drafters group is paused due to inactivity
Stephanie Perrin:What is your question Rafik?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:It will resume after ICANN61 with a new participation call.
Rafik:@stephanie my question was any update from RDS/RPM/Subpro WGS
Rafik:@Louise @Nick ?Bruna if there is replacement, from GNSO it is unlikely from the current pool of candidates not a enw call
Kris Seeburn:it is between processing and collecting
Louise Marie Hurel:So it is dismantling due to lack of interest/engagement? I recall that in Abu Dhabi that was a concern.
Rafik:not dismantled
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Louise: [Comment drafters] Yes, it is paused. We will make a couple of new efforts but if there is not engagement, the group will terminate permanently.
Kris Seeburn:i would tend to agree with kathy
Stephanie Perrin:These polls are not representative. I am very worried about how these polls are going to be used. I must say it is exhausting trying to keep up with this.
Kris Seeburn:that might work
Ayden Férdeline:We have tried this @kathy, sadly we have difficulties getting a high rate of engagement ...
Louise Marie Hurel:yes, @Dina. Thought things would progress after the meeting.
Rafik:FYI the GNSO council letter about SSR2 here https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2018-January/020808.html
Louise Marie Hurel:Thanks Rafik
Ayden Férdeline:from our side, only Stephanie i would say
Stephanie Perrin:I certainly am
Tomslin Samme-Nlar:I am
Bruna Santos: [Comment drafters]: Dina, maybe you could try to work with the ncuc fellows for San Juan post meeting (:
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Louise: [Comment drafters] We see what works, what doesn't - next time we will include calls so it is apparent at once how much particiaption there is etc.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I am, not every single call.
Kris Seeburn:registrars in in general based in US
avri doria:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_gTLDRDS_Attendance-2BLog&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=I_vBytA13BPKhgV4x2lS1DYwIhd1iA46wGMaSTvzIQY&e=
Ayden Férdeline:thanks Avri. we have 46 members and more observers.
Kris Seeburn:wecan think of a gated access if they are legal
Kathy:Tc Nick - very valuable
Kris Seeburn:Interpol works like that
Dina Solveig Jalkanen::)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Stephanie +1
Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Stephanie!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:If we have 46 members, we could have a joint strategy/getting up-to-speed call. If Stephanie would be up for it?
Kris Seeburn:its fact.....i just finished a long chat with symantec and they don't want t let go
Ayden Férdeline:We did one last year, and the turnout extremely low. It is also a lot of work on the part of those who are active to arrange and lead such a call...
Louise Marie Hurel:Nice!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Ayden, do you have other ideas to work on engagement?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Yes, it is a lot of work, but for new people, like me, it could be of great help.
Ayden Férdeline:Sorry, I think people need to do the catch up themselves. When I did a call like this last year it took me 20+ hours to prepare, and less than 5 people turned up. It is not worth my time doing again.
Ayden Férdeline:I cannot speak for others, of course.
Ayden Férdeline:But there is likely to still be prep on the part of those who are already very busy
Ayden Férdeline:I am not following RDS at the moment so am not best positioned to do such a call again
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:I am sorry not many people showed up for that call, Ayden.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:No reason to give up on supporting others - which doesn't mean one doesn't have to do the reading etc. by themselves.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:If you don't have time, that is understandable and 20 hours sounds like a lot of preparation.
Ayden Férdeline:We have resource constraints, and if others would like to lead such a call or engagement strategy, I'd strongly encourage them to do so :-)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:Yes, I asked Stephanie.
Louise Marie Hurel:Is there a google doc already? We got some interesting ideas on the list
Ayden Férdeline:I would be very happy to answer focused questions that come in, but arranging a webinar is a whole lot more work
Bruna Santos:yes, @Dina, could you take notes on that?
Bruna Santos:If not a call, a Q&A would be a cool opportunity
Stephanie Perrin:Sorry I stepped out to get coffee, are we talking about the GDPR comment?
Nick Shorey:If we can arrange a call, I'm happy to talk through how the RDS can be used in an investigation if that's any help in narrowing down on our ideas?
Bruna Santos:@stephanie, GDPR Models
Bruna Santos:and now FY19
Rafik:@Stephanie we can retalk about GDPR, it was only me speaking :)
Louise Marie Hurel:Agree that we need to add the importance of the additional budget to our outreach and capacity building efforts.
Kris Seeburn:plus they are also talking to have translators for all groups...
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:Can we say make leaner the organization and don't cut resources from the community?
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:as main conclusion
Stephanie Perrin:I agree with AYden. For those of going to LA, if we go to the office, please note the lavishness of that building
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:but probably stronger: don't crush the community
Rafik:ICANN expanded too quickly in the last years, there is likely questions about priority and projects
Ayden Férdeline:Just to be clear, I am not complaining about our hotel next week, it is 4-star and comfortable... but the staff entitlement is for a 5-star property which is twice the price a night! Why is the 4-star option not suitable for staff? It's not that the more economical property is booked out, either... I called to check yesterday.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yup insist on internal accountability of the organization (in terms of reducing costs too)
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:The eco model right?
Ayden Férdeline:(I'm going off of rack rates, I don't know if they negotiated a different group rate, now that I think about it.)
Ayden Férdeline:old
Ayden Férdeline:hands are not working in Adobe for me for some reason
Ayden Férdeline:sorry
Kathy:I support the ECO model as an interim model... and Model 2B as a possibility too
Pascal Bekono:@Ayden, Interesting point
Ayden Férdeline:new nomcom letter out too... pls see the ncsg list for a link
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_13uG7wN5FWFa1E3cpDPfUolsIxlN4WpMw73FWOxx8VEU_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=WrSVpzImhI-7tBs9BxSZQfZ7on120lHx1HRRb8l662A&e=
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:just that comment :)
Stephanie Perrin:Good, Kathy, I have been watching the chat, and have been proceeding on that basis. I am afraid I have had terrible email problems recently, associated (I think) with my abysmal Internet speeds (up is running .2mps, down anywhere from .6 to 2.8. Plus I am being tossed between two towers, causing connections to time out.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yes will soon
Stephanie Perrin:I would like to put in an additional budget request to get a room to discuss accreditation of private sector security actors, in Barcelona. This would be a workshop, where we could bring in civil society experts.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I support Stephanie's idea
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:We should also probably address in FY19 budget that cutting resources from community is cutting important capacity building community led initiatives such as wkshops ideas. And we should be against that.
Ayden Férdeline:5th intersessional
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:(hand for intersessional)
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:(q: there was some talk of combined policy messages coming out at the closing session at intersessional - do we have closings in common?)
Kathy:I've looked up the link for the ECO (GDPR) model -- https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_files_1212283-2D2018-2D01-2D10-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=MaJjWEiEZXrlLJTclpyfNb6qRQX-cNex_S9Ou_S_A3k&s=qCm3y9hZeorwbGKFIDUtxfsAxycdVWnSObvr53hoCOU&e=
Rafik:@Stephanie for ABR, you should respond to Farzaneh email in NCSG list
Nick Shorey:I have to leave, but thanks Rafik, Maryam, and all for the discussion.
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:yes, thanks Rafik...
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:I will also have do drop off soon
Renata Aquino Ribeiro:thanks everyone :)
Ayden Férdeline:thanks all
Louise Marie Hurel:thanks all!
Gangadhar Panday:bye from Ganga
avri doria:bye
Bruna Santos:thanks all, see you next week!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen:bye from Helsinki o/
Maryam Bakoshi:Thank you, All
Tatiana Tropina:thanks all - bye
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Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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