Attendance and Recordings of the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Tuesday 20 February 2018 at 1200 UTC
Maryam Bakoshi
maryam.bakoshi at ICANN.ORG
Tue Feb 20 13:50:03 EET 2018
Dear All,
Please find attendance and recordings of the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Tuesday 20 February 2018 at 1200 UTC.
Attendance: Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Arsene Tungali, Ayden Férdeline, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, Dina Solveig Jalkanen, Farell Folly
GZ Kabir, Joan Kerr, Louise Marie Hurel, Martin Silva, Maryam Bakoshi, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Raoul Plommer, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Sam Lanfranco, Stephanie Perrin, Tapani Tarvainen, Tatiana Tropina, Thato Mfikwe, Vrikson Acosta | Audio Bridge: Liz Orembo | Staff: Maryam Bakoshi
Mp3: https://icann.box.com/shared/static/80pgxu16isdgtrz040zraj88f11gd9eb.mp3
Transcript: to be shared upon receipt
AC Chat:
Maryam Bakoshi:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Tuesday 20 Feb 2018 at 1200 UTC
Arsene Tungali:Hi Maryam, hi everyone
Maryam Bakoshi:Hello Arsene, welcome
Maryam Bakoshi:Welocme, Rafik
Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome, Farell
Farell Folly:Hello Maryam, Thanks.
Farell Folly:Hello everybody
Arsene Tungali:hi Farell, welcome
Tatiana Tropina:Hi all
Collin Kurre:hi everyone, greetings from London
Maryam Bakoshi:Welcme all
Louise Marie Hurel:Hi all!
Bruna Santos:hello, all!
Tatiana Tropina:yes - it is not going to fix, now it's just a timing issue.
Arsene Tungali:We need time
Tatiana Tropina:I think this matter is clear, Rafik
Tapani Tarvainen:Naveed is indeed Pakistani but now lives in UAE
Ayden Férdeline:We have a Standing Selection Committee. We appoint our representatives there. Not sure why we are having this conversation.
Ayden Férdeline:We should not be micromanaging their decisions...
Arsene Tungali:Thanks Rafik, that was useful for our members to hear that from you as our rep on the SSC
Ayden Férdeline:Arsene, we have three members on the SSC.
Arsene Tungali:I know that, Ayden
Ayden Férdeline:Did you
Ayden Férdeline:It was not apparent from your previous comment
Raoul Plommer:Nor is it conflicting.
Collin Kurre:none here!
Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi all
Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome, Peter
Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Thanks Maryam
Ayden Férdeline:we'll get there in the end - just have to keep it super ambiguous, and we'll reach consensus. silent on how to achieve what we recommend, in particular...
Rafik:money comes from registrants regardless what crontarcted believe or say :)
Ayden Férdeline:old hand sorry
Maryam Bakoshi:ICANN61 Schedule: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__61.schedule.icann.org_meetings-3Fclasses-5B-5D-3DGroups-253A-253AMeetings-253A-253AMeeting&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=03mYkaNgJoKpN_JdUwQOqhxW5Kk-ewzVUIFR3owyW5c&e=
Thato Mfikwe:Hi all, maybe if I could find out, when is the next ICANN 5-year operation plan review?
Ayden Férdeline:@thato - this year that process will begin
Thato Mfikwe:Ok, thanks.
Ayden Férdeline:from what i understand, planning begins this year and continues in 2019, to come into effect 2020
Thato Mfikwe:Great.
Ayden Férdeline:it was a huge success
Rafik:@Theto you can find in fo here https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_planning-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=mOphrncl1RVHXi8B4HvnThm3yieRQpR_K_oztrLlmEQ&e=
Thato Mfikwe:Thanks Rafik
Ayden Férdeline:credit to Rafik, Heather, Donna, and staff for all their work coordinating the Council's Strategic Planning Session. must have been a lot of work. i sat back for the three days and just learned about the picket fence etc. really interesting + insightful
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:KSK: It was suggested as Buddy/Newcomer NCUC comment, depending on newcomers, I am guessing :)
Ayden Férdeline:it was shared
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:The KSK comment, Rafik?
Rafik:yes :)
Louise Marie Hurel:Tomslin is also involved in the KSK
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Louise, to comment we need solid suggestions, and I do not have any at the moment.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I will ping you, any new proposals there would be great!
Louise Marie Hurel:We are in the process of thinking about this
Ayden Férdeline:happy to speak about the budget when there's time
Louise Marie Hurel:of course, we need a good socio-tech bridge here!
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I considered bringing it up with GAC but perhaps we do not want GAC active involvement there
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:As a side note, history project is starting and writing help is appreciated :)
Rafik:@dina I have many stories :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Are *any* of them publishable? :) ;)
Arsene Tungali:Dina, are you involved in the history project? thtat's cool
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Just kidding, glad to hear - and will ask @ICANN61.
Arsene Tungali:of course Rafik would have many fun stories to share :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Arsene: I thought that since I do not need any funding (already have funding through Onboarding program), I should volunteer. Also, was worried about resulting boring write-up. Then again, I am a geek, not a writer - so help with polishing the writeup is appreciated.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I am also looking into including audio and other fun elements in the implementation. :)
Bruna Santos:awesome, Dina
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:RDS poll is interesting to say the least: we could make a voting suggestion for everyone each week.
Sam Lanfranco:I would like to add that there are signals from within ICANN that the pdp-wg process has problems and is "being thought about" (!!!)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Then again, voting is specifically not representing your constituency so you are reposnsible for your vote content.
Ayden Férdeline:the one time that we had a large turn out of polls responses from the NCSG (we 'won', for lack of a better word), the results were rejected for lack of diversity. never hear that argument when all the IP attorneys vote as a bloc, week after week....
Ayden Férdeline:look at the time stamps, the IP attorneys typically vote all within an hour of one another... it's almost as though someone has a roladex of contacts and calls them ;-)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Ayden: voting suggestions + opening the issues could be motivating for those not closely following RDS
Bruna Santos:WT5 is doing the review of existing defined geographic terms on the next call tomorrow
Ayden Férdeline:@dina happy to reach out, if given names to email! :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Do we know what we exactly we want to say about RPM at GAC meeting?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Ayden: I can absolutely help with that, we can ask members in the group if they would be interested o/
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Since RPM seems to have underli
Bruna Santos:ok!
Bruna Santos:it is, the WT5 work is at the very begginning
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:sorry... underlying policy issues that contribute to the unfortunate cases.
Bruna Santos:sorry
Ayden Férdeline:not a big commitment, just need people to fill in a short poll every week. the mailing list can get 500 messages in a fortnight, so the polls are the only instrument being used really
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Well, I am, but dear lord the group is not playing nice :)
Louise Marie Hurel:They are establishing new subteams now
Louise Marie Hurel:the call closes today
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, I am on the subteam.
Louise Marie Hurel:call to join subgroups to gathering data, I mean
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:As in, do we have exact request for the GAC.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:There are three people from RPM on the line.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:At least :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:The groups are tied to URS, yes. And being a lawyer helps :)
Rafik:Thanks Dina, we usually have KAthy championning RPM in the call :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, ack.
Louise Marie Hurel:another thing!
Louise Marie Hurel:Can I add something
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1WDsoVVxETiEDGVY27t4VUdSKcCi68eKMvBUVDLl6DY8_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=lym66ylkd7xpULx3jU3dLYVzODq-5YvG6wl-kt73u-U&e=
Rafik:the list of all GNSO activties including WGs is here https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_project&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=KoTQbAu_kw0guj87z5kbZaRC6pe_LzCOwdc0CU2WSqQ&e=
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Anyone from NCSG going to SSR2?
Arsene Tungali:what do you mean, Dina?
Rafik:NAVEED TO APPOINTED THIS THURSDAY
Rafik:oups
Rafik:sorry
Tatiana Tropina:Rafik :)
Rafik:we used to have James Gannon
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I thought they were looking for new members :)
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, he resigned in Dec, I htink.
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:ack, thanks Rafik
Poncelet Ileleji:EXaxctly Naveed appointed
Arsene Tungali:i know remember that i know Dr Naveed very well, very active in the Fellowship community
Arsene Tungali:now
Rafik:@tat multitasking is bad , led to all caps -_-
Martin Silva:Did anyone do un update on RPMs?
Ayden Férdeline:we need to work on Art 29 WP letter too
Ayden Férdeline:@martin yes
Stephanie Perrin:Sorry to be late
Martin Silva:oks
Stephanie Perrin:I am working on art 29 letter
Ayden Férdeline:@martin Louise covered it
Martin Silva:perfect!
Ayden Férdeline:covered it well ;-)
Martin Silva:thanks Louise!
Martin Silva:no doubt!
Stephanie Perrin:Cant get the audio to work
Ayden Férdeline:i look forward to reading it :)
Louise Marie Hurel::)
Rafik:sorry Stephanie :)
Louise Marie Hurel:I think there is a question of communication here.
Louise Marie Hurel:Of communicating these cuts
Louise Marie Hurel:In the case of the onboarding, none of us were informed of this discontinuation.
Joan Kerr NPOC:@Louise, I agree that it was a matterof communication., especially CROP since it was a core program
Raoul Plommer:Out of all the SG's, It hurts us the most.
Joan Kerr NPOC:It's one thing to review program, and strealine them, another to arbituarily cut them
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:ICANN staff costs, I understand, come from hiring several new experts and deducting annual pay increases?
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Fellowship contributes to non-commenrcial engagement imho.
Raoul Plommer:is that for the NCSG only?
Martin Silva:all
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Conspiracy theory woo hoo :):)
Raoul Plommer:Right. Just like CROPP was
Louise Marie Hurel:Agree, Ayden
Louise Marie Hurel:we need to carefully review
Stephanie Perrin:People seem to be misinterpreting what I have said about both fellowship and CROP cuts. We need metrics, and accountability, so that we can resist these cuts and prove that these development activities are actually keeping the MS model working properly.
Raoul Plommer:but basically, any of these cross-the-board cuts on community hurts us the most, because we basically have no other money.
Martin Silva:yes
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Raoul +1
Stephanie Perrin:And we need to clean out excess. If people are coming to ICANN for two years running and not contributing, we should be the ones cutting them, not a budget process.
Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Raoul
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:There are whole At-Large working groups doing exactly that as well, heh
Martin Silva:+1 Dina
Ayden Férdeline:i can;t hear anything
Louise Marie Hurel:yes
Tatiana Tropina:yes we cna
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Getting off the bus, will try to be back. Community - also ICANN Wiki 'project', not sure if we have a united position on that, or if one is wanted/needed.
Tatiana Tropina:but we can also hear Ayden :)
Raoul Plommer:I can hear rafik well
Maryam Bakoshi:Ayden is now on mute
Ayden Férdeline:GSE is out of control
Joan Kerr NPOC:@Ayden: perhaps we can collaborate with At-Large
Ayden Férdeline:i can hear you again now
Stephanie Perrin:We all know that ALAC has masses of resources they squander, and they have been supported by ICANN for decades in doing that. We have had to fight for our existence forever, We have done that with volunteers who brought value with them when they joined.
Ayden Férdeline:i need to respond to renata
Ayden Férdeline:please add me to the queue
Louise Marie Hurel:Exactly
Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Rafik
Raoul Plommer:it was working fine but now silent
Stephanie Perrin:We will not succeed in asking ICANN for resources to educate people that we attract to our cause in my view, they never have. ALAC has programs for that. NCSG is hardcore policy, so we need to develop our own mechanisms to ensure we maintain a high professional level in doing that. Not impossible, and it does not mean that the fellowship program is not the tool to get new blood. But we have to recognize exactly how much hard work is required to contribute to this org (I estimate a minimum of 30 hours a week for all positions we staff) and I don't think people recognize this
Bruna Santos:ayden your audio has faded
Raoul Plommer:*I didn't catch anything Ayden said
Louise Marie Hurel:Me neither
Maryam Bakoshi:Ayden do you want a dial out?
Ayden Férdeline:can no one hear me?
Raoul Plommer:it was a weird echo
Raoul Plommer:it's going really faint at times with stephanie too
Ayden Férdeline:i could hear Stephanie. how odd
Raoul Plommer:now it's good
Thato Mfikwe:Agree with Stephanie about assessment of the impact of funds...
Ayden Férdeline:+1,000 Stephanie. we can't just be a collection of noise. we need to faithfully represent/defend non-commercial interests...
Stephanie Perrin:exactly
Ayden Férdeline:"data not anecdotes" YES!!!
Raoul Plommer:One useful metric would be to measure how many new people have participated in the PDPs
Raoul Plommer:year on year
Martin Silva:Yes, but blindly cutting it 50% is not the way to change it, I agree metrics are the key here. And remember the fellowship is not only about producing penholders.
Stephanie Perrin:Yes Raoul, but they have to move on from dialing in to the calls, to active analysis and contributions.
Bruna Santos:Measuring the income of fellows/newcomers into the SG and following their engagement would help ?
Raoul Plommer:Yes, I feel a little guilty of that myself but had to do deal with all this internal restructuring..
Ayden Férdeline:please remember some SGs and Cs don't want newcomers... we do, not everyone in the community does...
Stephanie Perrin:Ayden counted up our folks on the RDS calls...we have 56, apparently, but bless me if I can figure out who among those are actively contributing I know Sam is on practically every call and is contributing, but many others are just dialed in. Participating inICANN is not like listening to the radio.....
Bruna Santos:of course not, but still theres a gap between entering the community and actively participating, some dont do it out of fear.
Bruna Santos:just a personal opinion though
Ayden Férdeline:remember we are defending non-commercial interests. it is too important to leave to experiment and learning on the job, though part of that is inevitable. we need to be as professional and prepared as those defending state and market interests...
Bruna Santos:Glad we are in a group who wants to engage newcomers in the right way - through pdps!
Joan Kerr NPOC:There are a lot experts, but need to understand the ICANN system
Ayden Férdeline:they are beyond proposals
Ayden Férdeline:already staff whitepaper out to Council on this
Ayden Férdeline:* that is for Sam
Stephanie Perrin:My thesis advisor made me do an excel spreadsheet, to measure how I spent my time (he was trying to make the point that I was spending more time volunteering for ICANN than working on my dissertation). It was shocking how much time it was. 30 hours is actually a conservative estimate. Would it be helpful (since I have these spreadsheets drafted already) if we mapped the time and figured out a metric from that? Basically, what is bugging me lately is that I am doing 30 hours a week of free labour for ICANN and this is neither recognized nor appreciated. It is up to us to make sure the labour of our volunteers is measured, appreciated, and facilitate (not impeded) by ICANN staff.
Thato Mfikwe:@@Bruna: There needs to be a simplified way of introducing ICANN and the community, operational plans (annual and 5 year), including a clear role of AC & SO's. In the absence of such, members will be faced with loads and loads of information that can be tidious not sumarise or grasp. The process on the overall is comprehensive but takes time to make sense of.
Ayden Férdeline:maybe this is by design @Thato?
Ayden Férdeline:maybe some stakeholders do not want a strong civil society hold here?
Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Thato, distillation is reqiured , I hesitate to just forward things to the NCSG lists, we need a brief analysis because members need it and have no time to look things up
Bruna Santos:I know, Thato, I am still on this path - fully comprehending icann.
Sam Lanfranco:nope
Bruna Santos:but I have the feeling some groups might not be so welcoming
Stephanie Perrin:We must also recognize that this stuff is opaque to an english reader, by design sometimes, so it is harder for other language speakers. Needs discussion.
Tatiana Tropina:might not be so welcoming - that's the part of the work
Bruna Santos:yes, @stephanie
Sam Lanfranco:bye
Tatiana Tropina:thank for the call - bye everyone!
Raoul Plommer:bye!
Louise Marie Hurel:Thanks all
Stephanie Perrin:Bye
Thato Mfikwe:Thanks all
Bruna Santos:Bye all!
Joan Kerr NPOC:Bye Everyone
Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Bye!
Poncelet Ileleji:Bye everyone!
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Many thanks,
Maryam Bakoshi | SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
S: Maryam.bakoshi.icann | T: +44 7737698036
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