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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Please find attendance and recordings of the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Tuesday 20 February 2018 at 1200 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Attendance:</span></b><span style="color:#002060"> Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Arsene Tungali, Ayden Férdeline, Bruna Santos, Collin Kurre, Dina Solveig Jalkanen, Farell Folly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">GZ Kabir, Joan Kerr, Louise Marie Hurel, Martin Silva, Maryam Bakoshi, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Raoul Plommer, Renata Aquino Ribeiro, Sam Lanfranco, Stephanie Perrin, Tapani Tarvainen, Tatiana Tropina,
Thato Mfikwe, Vrikson Acosta | <b>Audio Bridge</b>: Liz Orembo | <b>Staff</b>: Maryam Bakoshi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Mp3: </span></b><span style="color:#002060"><a href="https://icann.box.com/shared/static/80pgxu16isdgtrz040zraj88f11gd9eb.mp3">https://icann.box.com/shared/static/80pgxu16isdgtrz040zraj88f11gd9eb.mp3</a> <b><o:p></o:p></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">Transcript:</span></b><span style="color:#002060"> to be shared upon receipt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#002060">AC Chat:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Monthly Policy Call on Tuesday 20 Feb 2018 at 1200 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:Hi Maryam, hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Hello Arsene, welcome<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welocme, Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome, Farell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farell Folly:Hello Maryam, Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Farell Folly:Hello everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:hi Farell, welcome<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Hi all <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Collin Kurre:hi everyone, greetings from London<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcme all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Hi all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:hello, all! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:yes - it is not going to fix, now it's just a timing issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:We need time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:I think this matter is clear, Rafik <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tapani Tarvainen:Naveed is indeed Pakistani but now lives in UAE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:We have a Standing Selection Committee. We appoint our representatives there. Not sure why we are having this conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:We should not be micromanaging their decisions...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:Thanks Rafik, that was useful for our members to hear that from you as our rep on the SSC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:Arsene, we have three members on the SSC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:I know that, Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:Did you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:It was not apparent from your previous comment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:Nor is it conflicting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Collin Kurre:none here!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Thanks Maryam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:we'll get there in the end - just have to keep it super ambiguous, and we'll reach consensus. silent on how to achieve what we recommend, in particular...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:money comes from registrants regardless what crontarcted believe or say :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:old hand sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:ICANN61 Schedule: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__61.schedule.icann.org_meetings-3Fclasses-5B-5D-3DGroups-253A-253AMeetings-253A-253AMeeting&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=03mYkaNgJoKpN_JdUwQOqhxW5Kk-ewzVUIFR3owyW5c&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__61.schedule.icann.org_meetings-3Fclasses-5B-5D-3DGroups-253A-253AMeetings-253A-253AMeeting&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=03mYkaNgJoKpN_JdUwQOqhxW5Kk-ewzVUIFR3owyW5c&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Hi all, maybe if I could find out, when is the next ICANN 5-year operation plan review?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:@thato - this year that process will begin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Ok, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:from what i understand, planning begins this year and continues in 2019, to come into effect 2020<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Great.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:it was a huge success<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:@Theto you can find in fo here <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_planning-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=mOphrncl1RVHXi8B4HvnThm3yieRQpR_K_oztrLlmEQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_governance_planning-2Den&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=mOphrncl1RVHXi8B4HvnThm3yieRQpR_K_oztrLlmEQ&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Thanks Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:credit to Rafik, Heather, Donna, and staff for all their work coordinating the Council's Strategic Planning Session. must have been a lot of work. i sat back for the three days and just learned
about the picket fence etc. really interesting + insightful<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:KSK: It was suggested as Buddy/Newcomer NCUC comment, depending on newcomers, I am guessing :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:it was shared<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:The KSK comment, Rafik?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:yes :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Tomslin is also involved in the KSK <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Louise, to comment we need solid suggestions, and I do not have any at the moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I will ping you, any new proposals there would be great!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:We are in the process of thinking about this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:happy to speak about the budget when there's time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:of course, we need a good socio-tech bridge here!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I considered bringing it up with GAC but perhaps we do not want GAC active involvement there<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:As a side note, history project is starting and writing help is appreciated :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:@dina I have many stories :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Are *any* of them publishable? :) ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:Dina, are you involved in the history project? thtat's cool<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Just kidding, glad to hear - and will ask @ICANN61.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:of course Rafik would have many fun stories to share :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Arsene: I thought that since I do not need any funding (already have funding through Onboarding program), I should volunteer. Also, was worried about resulting boring write-up.
Then again, I am a geek, not a writer - so help with polishing the writeup is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I am also looking into including audio and other fun elements in the implementation. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:awesome, Dina <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:RDS poll is interesting to say the least: we could make a voting suggestion for everyone each week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Sam Lanfranco:I would like to add that there are signals from within ICANN that the pdp-wg process has problems and is "being thought about" (!!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Then again, voting is specifically not representing your constituency so you are reposnsible for your vote content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:the one time that we had a large turn out of polls responses from the NCSG (we 'won', for lack of a better word), the results were rejected for lack of diversity. never hear that argument when
all the IP attorneys vote as a bloc, week after week....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:look at the time stamps, the IP attorneys typically vote all within an hour of one another... it's almost as though someone has a roladex of contacts and calls them ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Ayden: voting suggestions + opening the issues could be motivating for those not closely following RDS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:WT5 is doing the review of existing defined geographic terms on the next call tomorrow <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:@dina happy to reach out, if given names to email! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Do we know what we exactly we want to say about RPM at GAC meeting?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Ayden: I can absolutely help with that, we can ask members in the group if they would be interested o/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Since RPM seems to have underli<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:ok! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:it is, the WT5 work is at the very begginning <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:sorry... underlying policy issues that contribute to the unfortunate cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:not a big commitment, just need people to fill in a short poll every week. the mailing list can get 500 messages in a fortnight, so the polls are the only instrument being used really<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Well, I am, but dear lord the group is not playing nice :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:They are establishing new subteams now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:the call closes today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, I am on the subteam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:call to join subgroups to gathering data, I mean<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:As in, do we have exact request for the GAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:There are three people from RPM on the line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:At least :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:The groups are tied to URS, yes. And being a lawyer helps :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:Thanks Dina, we usually have KAthy championning RPM in the call :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, ack.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:another thing!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Can I add something<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1WDsoVVxETiEDGVY27t4VUdSKcCi68eKMvBUVDLl6DY8_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=lym66ylkd7xpULx3jU3dLYVzODq-5YvG6wl-kt73u-U&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1WDsoVVxETiEDGVY27t4VUdSKcCi68eKMvBUVDLl6DY8_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=lym66ylkd7xpULx3jU3dLYVzODq-5YvG6wl-kt73u-U&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:the list of all GNSO activties including WGs is here <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_project&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=KoTQbAu_kw0guj87z5kbZaRC6pe_LzCOwdc0CU2WSqQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_project&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=1A9IIOkJia11FXDmJ1R4Jn7wGT4ExHiVuBF89mvNt_Q&m=-oZkAGAkY-bFfOzDrZC5U-epXhDalxQrN5PH22sIUuQ&s=KoTQbAu_kw0guj87z5kbZaRC6pe_LzCOwdc0CU2WSqQ&e=</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Anyone from NCSG going to SSR2?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:what do you mean, Dina?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:NAVEED TO APPOINTED THIS THURSDAY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:oups<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:Rafik :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:we used to have James Gannon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:I thought they were looking for new members :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Yes, he resigned in Dec, I htink.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:ack, thanks Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Poncelet Ileleji:EXaxctly Naveed appointed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:i know remember that i know Dr Naveed very well, very active in the Fellowship community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Arsene Tungali:now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:@tat multitasking is bad , led to all caps -_-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:Did anyone do un update on RPMs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:we need to work on Art 29 WP letter too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:@martin yes <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Sorry to be late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:oks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:I am working on art 29 letter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:@martin Louise covered it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:perfect!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:covered it well ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:thanks Louise!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:no doubt!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Cant get the audio to work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i look forward to reading it :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel::)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Rafik:sorry Stephanie :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:I think there is a question of communication here. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Of communicating these cuts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:In the case of the onboarding, none of us were informed of this discontinuation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Joan Kerr NPOC:@Louise, I agree that it was a matterof communication., especially CROP since it was a core program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:Out of all the SG's, It hurts us the most.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Joan Kerr NPOC:It's one thing to review program, and strealine them, another to arbituarily cut them<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:ICANN staff costs, I understand, come from hiring several new experts and deducting annual pay increases?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Fellowship contributes to non-commenrcial engagement imho.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:is that for the NCSG only?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Conspiracy theory woo hoo :):)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:Right. Just like CROPP was<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Agree, Ayden<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:we need to carefully review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:People seem to be misinterpreting what I have said about both fellowship and CROP cuts. We need metrics, and accountability, so that we can resist these cuts and prove that these development
activities are actually keeping the MS model working properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:but basically, any of these cross-the-board cuts on community hurts us the most, because we basically have no other money.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Raoul +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:And we need to clean out excess. If people are coming to ICANN for two years running and not contributing, we should be the ones cutting them, not a budget process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Raoul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:There are whole At-Large working groups doing exactly that as well, heh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:+1 Dina<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i can;t hear anything<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:yes we cna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Getting off the bus, will try to be back. Community - also ICANN Wiki 'project', not sure if we have a united position on that, or if one is wanted/needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:but we can also hear Ayden :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:I can hear rafik well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Ayden is now on mute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:GSE is out of control<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Joan Kerr NPOC:@Ayden: perhaps we can collaborate with At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i can hear you again now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:We all know that ALAC has masses of resources they squander, and they have been supported by ICANN for decades in doing that. We have had to fight for our existence forever, We have done that
with volunteers who brought value with them when they joined. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i need to respond to renata<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:please add me to the queue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Exactly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:+1 Rafik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:it was working fine but now silent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:We will not succeed in asking ICANN for resources to educate people that we attract to our cause in my view, they never have. ALAC has programs for that. NCSG is hardcore policy, so we need
to develop our own mechanisms to ensure we maintain a high professional level in doing that. Not impossible, and it does not mean that the fellowship program is not the tool to get new blood. But we have to recognize exactly how much hard work is required
to contribute to this org (I estimate a minimum of 30 hours a week for all positions we staff) and I don't think people recognize this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:ayden your audio has faded<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:*I didn't catch anything Ayden said<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Me neither<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Maryam Bakoshi:Ayden do you want a dial out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:can no one hear me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:it was a weird echo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:it's going really faint at times with stephanie too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:i could hear Stephanie. how odd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:now it's good<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Agree with Stephanie about assessment of the impact of funds...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:+1,000 Stephanie. we can't just be a collection of noise. we need to faithfully represent/defend non-commercial interests...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:exactly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:"data not anecdotes" YES!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:One useful metric would be to measure how many new people have participated in the PDPs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:year on year<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Martin Silva:Yes, but blindly cutting it 50% is not the way to change it, I agree metrics are the key here. And remember the fellowship is not only about producing penholders.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Yes Raoul, but they have to move on from dialing in to the calls, to active analysis and contributions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:Measuring the income of fellows/newcomers into the SG and following their engagement would help ? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:Yes, I feel a little guilty of that myself but had to do deal with all this internal restructuring..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:please remember some SGs and Cs don't want newcomers... we do, not everyone in the community does...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Ayden counted up our folks on the RDS calls...we have 56, apparently, but bless me if I can figure out who among those are actively contributing I know Sam is on practically every call and
is contributing, but many others are just dialed in. Participating inICANN is not like listening to the radio.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:of course not, but still theres a gap between entering the community and actively participating, some dont do it out of fear. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:just a personal opinion though <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:remember we are defending non-commercial interests. it is too important to leave to experiment and learning on the job, though part of that is inevitable. we need to be as professional and prepared
as those defending state and market interests...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:Glad we are in a group who wants to engage newcomers in the right way - through pdps! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Joan Kerr NPOC:There are a lot experts, but need to understand the ICANN system<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:they are beyond proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:already staff whitepaper out to Council on this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:* that is for Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:My thesis advisor made me do an excel spreadsheet, to measure how I spent my time (he was trying to make the point that I was spending more time volunteering for ICANN than working on my dissertation). It
was shocking how much time it was. 30 hours is actually a conservative estimate. Would it be helpful (since I have these spreadsheets drafted already) if we mapped the time and figured out a metric from that? Basically, what is bugging me lately is that
I am doing 30 hours a week of free labour for ICANN and this is neither recognized nor appreciated. It is up to us to make sure the labour of our volunteers is measured, appreciated, and facilitate (not impeded) by ICANN staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:@@Bruna: There needs to be a simplified way of introducing ICANN and the community, operational plans (annual and 5 year), including a clear role of AC & SO's. In the absence of such, members will
be faced with loads and loads of information that can be tidious not sumarise or grasp. The process on the overall is comprehensive but takes time to make sense of.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:maybe this is by design @Thato? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Ayden Férdeline:maybe some stakeholders do not want a strong civil society hold here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly Thato, distillation is reqiured , I hesitate to just forward things to the NCSG lists, we need a brief analysis because members need it and have no time to look things up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:I know, Thato, I am still on this path - fully comprehending icann. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Sam Lanfranco:nope<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:but I have the feeling some groups might not be so welcoming<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:We must also recognize that this stuff is opaque to an english reader, by design sometimes, so it is harder for other language speakers. Needs discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:might not be so welcoming - that's the part of the work <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:yes, @stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Sam Lanfranco:bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Tatiana Tropina:thank for the call - bye everyone! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Raoul Plommer:bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Louise Marie Hurel:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Stephanie Perrin:Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Thato Mfikwe:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Bruna Santos:Bye all! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Joan Kerr NPOC:Bye Everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Dina Solveig Jalkanen laptop:Bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> Poncelet Ileleji:Bye everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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