NCSG Policy Meeting 17 Dec 2018 | 1200 UTC | Recording, Chat, Attendance
Remmy Nweke
remmyn at GMAIL.COM
Tue Dec 18 01:35:23 EET 2018
Hi Rafik
Kindly accept my apology.
I had requested for a dialout but was informed that iCANN can't dial out to
Nigeria, of which I am yet to get the details and hope it will be corrected
soon to avoid disfranchisement of some of us who could be on the road.
Regards
Remmy
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 12:55 a.m. Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please find here the recording for the last NCSG Policy call held this
> Monday.
> There are some topics we will follow-up in the list and continue the
> discussion.
> Thanks again for the attendance.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
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> Please find the chat attached, and AC recording and attendance below.
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> Adobe Connect Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p7p733z724w/
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> *Attendance:* Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Amine Hacha, Antonella Perini, Arsene
> Tungali, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline, Bruna Santos, Caleb Ogundele, Claire
> Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell Folly, Franco
> Giandana, Kathy, Louise Marie Hurel, Nelson Kaunda, Olga Kyryliuk, Poncelet
> Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Sharon Emptage, Shiva Upadhyay,
> Stefan Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Sunny Joshi, Varsha Sewlal, Vernatius
> Okwu EZEAMA, Ziyam Abdeen
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> *Staff Support:* Ria Otanes
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> *Apologies:* Thato Mfikwe
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> Best,
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> Ria
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> _______________________________________________________________________________________________
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> *Ria Otanes*
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> Secretariat Operations Coordinator
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> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:49:42 +0000
> Subject: [Ext] Adobe Connect - Chat Transcript from Non Commercial
> Stakeholder Group
> Maria Otanes:Welcome to the Monthly NCSG Policy Call on Monday 17
> December 2018 at 12:00 UTC
> Arsene Tungali:Good morning evryone
> Rafik Dammak:hi all
> Rafik Dammak:please mute your mic if you are not speaking
> Sunny Joshi:Hi All
> Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi
> Elsa Saade:Hey all!
> Stephanie Perrin:Hi everybody!
> Maria Otanes:the agenda is scrollable
> Ziyam Abdeen:Hi Team . Merry Christmas to all those whom celebrating
> Stephanie Perrin:Merry Christmas to you as well !
> Arsene Tungali:lost sound
> Ziyam Abdeen:Thank you Stephanie Perrin
> Arsene Tungali:whose speaking?
> Maria Otanes:@Arsene, could you try retarting your AC?
> Maria Otanes:Rafik is speaking
> Arsene Tungali:All is okay now, Maria. Thanks
> Ziyam Abdeen:I think someone echo
> Arsene Tungali:Happy Christmas to you all too. Thanks Ziyam
> Ziyam Abdeen:Thanks Arsene
> Louise Marie Hurel:Hi all
> Stephanie Perrin:Hi Louise!
> Poncelet Ileleji:Hello all
> Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi Poncelet
> varsha sewlal:hi all
> Arsene Tungali:Congrats Poncelet for your new role within the SSC. Great
> that we have an NCSG rep in the leadership team
> Elsa Saade:anyone have a fast link to the webinar to post here? :)
> Poncelet Ileleji:Thanks Arsene, greetings Taiwo
> Elsa Saade:for anyone who'd like to go through it
> Elsa Saade:https://participate.icann.org/p55e010miek/ i think that's it
> if im not mistaken
> Stephanie Perrin:which webinar, sorry...?
> Elsa Saade:the one on IGO INGO
> Stephanie Perrin:thanks!
> Elsa Saade:sure! :)
> Arsene Tungali:Rafik, Can you share your perspectives with us (now that
> we have you as liaison)? Do we expect any delays on the final report
> submission (sched Feb 2019)?
> Elsa Saade:i can't hear stephanie!
> Caleb Ogundele:Hello..
> Stephanie Perrin:sorry, I will try dialing in again
> Maria Otanes:thank you, Stephanie. please let me know if I can help
> Arsene Tungali:Thanks Rafik for your comment on my question
> Ziyam Abdeen:Thanks Rafik
> Elsa Saade:we can hear u!
> Ayden Férdeline:i can hear you
> Maria Otanes:yes, we can hear you
> varsha sewlal:yes we can hear you.
> Stephanie Perrin:We need to start thinking about option B in my view.
> Stephanie Perrin:old
> Stephanie Perrin:Will save for EPDP discussion
> Ayden Férdeline:funny how ICANN offices close for two weeks yet the
> implementation plan envisions community members taking no break...
> Avri Doria:Ayden, I think that is an aspect of the community making its
> own schedules for its work and it decides when it is going to work.
> Avri Doria:While the ICAAN Staff organization behaves like a regualr
> not-profit company with holidays and vacations and all that.
> Stephanie Perrin:Will that call for volunteers be JANUARY?
> Ayden Férdeline:Budget is being published today apparently - which is a
> week later than the timeline shared with the community. Good thing there
> are no holidays coming up so the community can start analysing the budget
> asap...
> Stephanie Perrin:Re the budget....I would just like to note here that
> the budget for the RDS review (2) was over 680K, and the budget to actually
> decide the policy (EPDP) roughly 300...with a much larger team. I think
> budgets need serious rationalization.
> Ayden Férdeline:good observation Stephanie
> Stephanie Perrin:I think there is a need to pull out policy research as
> a separate budget item with a policy cttee to oversee it, rather than just
> give committees big chunks of money to do whatever research pleases them.
> Kathy:addis
> Collin Kurre:Addis
> Collin Kurre:Benedict talked a lot about cryptographic keys when we were
> in LA. Interesting ideas that don't seem so farfetched now that this small
> team has been formed. I wonder if that will be a component in the solution
> they're working on?
> Stephanie Perrin:Any RDAP implementation will be crypto enabled ....so
> yes he is certainly correct in discussing this. part of our standards
> workshop was to look at the existing standards. But the point is, how does
> ICANN strike a tech committee without a call for volunteers?
> Stephanie Perrin:How is this bypassing the GNSO council?
> Stephanie Perrin:EWG report talks about this. In my view, they are just
> implementing the EWG solution.
> Collin Kurre:Very valid questions. As others have highlighted, it's a
> very homogenous group as well. Area for improvement in diversity,
> transparency, and accountability
> Stephanie Perrin:absolutely, Kathy is dead right, you have to be on high
> alert during the holidays
> Rafik Dammak:@stephanie no call for volunteers, likley picked
> Stephanie Perrin:I know Rafik, it is a coalition of the willing
> Stephanie Perrin:fabulous, Kathy, I am sorry that I have not had enough
> time to add my comments to the NCSG comment. Am drafting separate ones.
> We need more than one comment.
> Kathy:Tx Stephanie -- yes, two is different than one.
> Kathy:I meant two is better than one!
> Elsa Saade:or boycott? :)
> Kathy:probably not
> Stephanie Perrin:Boycott without lawsuit is not useful in my
> view....although awfully awfully tempting. It is a profound waste of our
> time
> Stephanie Perrin:We are just there putting our fingers in the dykes,
> trying to hold off the waves....
> Stephanie Perrin:We are still going to have a major fight on distinction
> between legal and natural persons.
> Stephanie Perrin:I think we need overall comments, not just on the
> graph....comments on the overall report, its gaps, link with charter, what
> the heck is going on with the tech committee, what is Icann;s role, etc.
> Kathy:Hopefully Article 9 helps with that-- enormous protection for
> those engaged in sensitive religious, philosophical, racial, ethnic,
> political, trade union, health, gender, sexual orientation topics and
> organizations
> Stephanie Perrin:in particular it would be useful if journalistic or
> political groups could comment on their need for confidentiality,, backed
> by their constitutional rights to free speech (and freedom from harassment)
> Stephanie Perrin:out posts just crossed, did you mean article 19?
> Elsa Saade:I tried to reach out to some orgs, but everyone is rly busy
> and they haven't really been following the discussion like NCSG has so
> can't comment the same way we can I'd say
> Collin Kurre:We had a great BestBits resurrectrion call last week, and
> one of the next-steps was making an org mapping document listing the
> various orgs active in ICANN (and other fora), their ongoing activities,
> areas of interest, and points of contact. Elsa if you'd like to contribute
> to that, would be great! The idea is to make it easier to coordinate and
> mobilize NGOs
> Collin Kurre:Would love to hear about Sub Pros!
> Collin Kurre:Bummer
> Collin Kurre:Ah great, thanks Kathy!
> bruna santos:I havent been much active on the wg lately, but im trying
> to work on the comments and hopefully we will submit the supplemental
> report (wt 1-4) tomorrow.
> Elsa Saade:sure Collin! I'll keep an eye out for emails regarding that,
> but if there's an entry point let me know :)
> bruna santos:Kathy and Olga have been working on the same doc too
> Stephanie Perrin:Sadly we just lost EDRI as a member... no time. IF
> they were part of the Bestbits endeavour, it would be great to reengage.
> What we need is help coordinating with groups, so they dont feel they have
> to resign if they have no one to staff the regular meetings
> bruna santos:Ad Elsa
> Collin Kurre:Thanks Kathy! Do you know when the SubPros meetings start
> up again after after the holidays?
> Kathy:they're meeting all week.
> Kathy:not sure when they start back up.
> Kathy:you can write to julie hedlund -- julie.hedlund at icann.org
> bruna santos:Please lets coordinate on skype again, I dont have much
> time and have been mostly an observer on subgroup A, but Id be happy to get
> back on track
> Kathy:@Collin - do you have sime time this week?
> Kathy:If so, there are 3 meetings :-)
> Kathy:Tx Bruna!!
> Collin Kurre:I'll have a look if I can tune in for any of them, but this
> week is nuts (as you can imagine!) Flying home for the holidays on Friday
> Arsene Tungali:Apologies, i was cut off due to network issues but now i
> am back after reconnecting
> Stephanie Perrin:old
> Kathy 2:Isn't that the GAC and ALAC being upset we didn't weigh their
> comments to the exclusion of all others?
> Kathy 2:It does seem to belong here
> Stephanie Perrin:re GAC ALAC, yes.
> Stephanie Perrin:But if they dont get what they want on RDS, it might
> get uglier than normal
> Stephanie Perrin:We cannot wait for the Finance cttee to take the lead,
> and we need a cross cutting and robust discussion on the five year plan
> Stephanie Perrin:WE know you can handle it Fik! :-)
> Rafik Dammak:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments-23open-2Dpublic&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=pPHd0x0RM7KKQRoBWnp9qDoof8XAySj8yhHq-z8EWgM&m=vcf25EM4oDQ5nAmcsSI10AkxImWRNsdvM5qQTLFyjhs&s=AhIb0EAbRZJKDrJuIS3N9srh_e5wOP7f3Lr5T3HtcoE&e=
> Stephanie Perrin:sound cutting out
> Stephanie Perrin:Me too, I do not want to be the only one responding.
> Kathy is I think one of the only other leaders here today, and Bruna.
> Apologies if I am missing anyone
> bruna santos:I will send this message across, Stephanie and Rafik!
> Stephanie Perrin:Please, and thank you!
> Louise Marie Hurel:yep
> Poncelet Ileleji:Rafijk Thank you so much, I personally am satisfied
> with the discuss
> Rafik Dammak:@all it is a genuine request, please feel free to ask any
> question :) happy to respond
> Collin Kurre:Yes, submitted the agenda and description as requested by
> Maryam
> Collin Kurre::)
> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Rafik, great job as always.
> Farell Folly:Thanks Rafik once more. It is not an easy task.
> bruna santos:Thanks Rafik@
> Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik!
> Avri Doria:bye, thanks
> varsha sewlal:Thank you for all the hard work that you do.
> Collin Kurre:Thanks for your leadership, guidance and support, Rafik!
> Collin Kurre:Happy holidays, everyone! See you next year
> Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Thanks Rafik and everyone
> Claire Craig:bye
> Louise Marie Hurel:bye all!
> Poncelet Ileleji:Thanks Rafik, Bye all happy holidays
> Arsene Tungali:bye
> bruna santos:Bye everyone!
> Olga Kyryliuk 2:Thanks Rafik and all. Happy holidays
> Kathy 2:Happy Holidays, All!
> Kathy 2:Tx Rafik!
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