NCSG Policy Meeting 17 Dec 2018 | 1200 UTC | Recording, Chat, Attendance

[Rafik Dammak]

Hi all,

Please find here the recording for the last NCSG Policy call held this
Monday.
There are some topics we will follow-up in the list and continue the
discussion.
Thanks again for the attendance.

Best Regards,

Rafik

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Please find the chat attached, and AC recording and attendance below.



Adobe Connect Recording: https://participate.icann.org/p7p733z724w/



*Attendance:* Akinremi Peter Taiwo, Amine Hacha, Antonella Perini, Arsene
Tungali, Avri Doria, Ayden Férdeline, Bruna Santos, Caleb Ogundele, Claire
Craig, Collin Kurre, Desara Dushi, Elsa Saade, Farell Folly, Franco
Giandana, Kathy, Louise Marie Hurel, Nelson Kaunda, Olga Kyryliuk, Poncelet
Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Sharon Emptage, Shiva Upadhyay,
Stefan Filipovic, Stephanie Perrin, Sunny Joshi, Varsha Sewlal, Vernatius
Okwu EZEAMA, Ziyam Abdeen

*Staff Support:* Ria Otanes

*Apologies:* Thato Mfikwe







Best,

Ria



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*Ria Otanes*

Secretariat Operations Coordinator

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)





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  Maria Otanes:Welcome to the Monthly NCSG Policy Call on Monday 17
December 2018 at 12:00 UTC
  Arsene Tungali:Good morning evryone
  Rafik Dammak:hi all
  Rafik Dammak:please mute your mic if you are not speaking
  Sunny Joshi:Hi All
  Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi
  Elsa Saade:Hey all!
  Stephanie Perrin:Hi everybody!
  Maria Otanes:the agenda is scrollable
  Ziyam Abdeen:Hi Team . Merry Christmas to all those whom celebrating
  Stephanie Perrin:Merry Christmas to you as well !
  Arsene Tungali:lost sound
  Ziyam Abdeen:Thank you Stephanie Perrin
  Arsene Tungali:whose speaking?
  Maria Otanes:@Arsene, could you try retarting your AC?
  Maria Otanes:Rafik is speaking
  Arsene Tungali:All is okay now, Maria. Thanks
  Ziyam Abdeen:I think someone echo
  Arsene Tungali:Happy Christmas to you all too. Thanks Ziyam
  Ziyam Abdeen:Thanks Arsene
  Louise Marie Hurel:Hi all
  Stephanie Perrin:Hi Louise!
  Poncelet Ileleji:Hello all
  Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Hi Poncelet
  varsha sewlal:hi all
  Arsene Tungali:Congrats Poncelet for your new role within the SSC. Great
that we have an NCSG rep in the leadership team
  Elsa Saade:anyone have a fast link to the webinar to post here? :)
  Poncelet Ileleji:Thanks Arsene, greetings Taiwo
  Elsa Saade:for anyone who'd like to go through it
  Elsa Saade:https://participate.icann.org/p55e010miek/ i think that's it
if im not mistaken
  Stephanie Perrin:which webinar, sorry...?
  Elsa Saade:the one on IGO INGO
  Stephanie Perrin:thanks!
  Elsa Saade:sure! :)
  Arsene Tungali:Rafik, Can you share your perspectives with us (now that
we have you as liaison)? Do we expect any delays on the final report
submission (sched Feb 2019)?
  Elsa Saade:i can't hear stephanie!
  Caleb Ogundele:Hello..
  Stephanie Perrin:sorry, I will try dialing in again
  Maria Otanes:thank you, Stephanie. please let me know if I can help
  Arsene Tungali:Thanks Rafik for your comment on my question
  Ziyam Abdeen:Thanks Rafik
  Elsa Saade:we can hear u!
  Ayden Férdeline:i can hear you
  Maria Otanes:yes, we can hear you
  varsha sewlal:yes we can hear you.
  Stephanie Perrin:We need to start thinking about option B in my view.
  Stephanie Perrin:old
  Stephanie Perrin:Will save for EPDP discussion
  Ayden Férdeline:funny how ICANN offices close for two weeks yet the
implementation plan envisions community members taking no break...
  Avri Doria:Ayden, I think that is  an aspect of the community making its
own schedules for its work and it decides when it is going to work.
  Avri Doria:While the ICAAN Staff organization behaves like a regualr
not-profit company with holidays and vacations and all that.
  Stephanie Perrin:Will that call for volunteers be JANUARY?
  Ayden Férdeline:Budget is being published today apparently - which is a
week later than the timeline shared with the community. Good thing there
are no holidays coming up so the community can start analysing the budget
asap...
  Stephanie Perrin:Re the budget....I would just like to note here that the
budget for the RDS review (2) was over 680K, and the budget to actually
decide the policy (EPDP) roughly 300...with a much larger team.  I think
budgets need serious rationalization.
  Ayden Férdeline:good observation Stephanie
  Stephanie Perrin:I think there is a need to pull out policy research as a
separate budget item with a policy cttee to oversee it, rather than just
give committees big chunks of money to do whatever research pleases them.
  Kathy:addis
  Collin Kurre:Addis
  Collin Kurre:Benedict talked a lot about cryptographic keys when we were
in LA. Interesting ideas that don't seem so farfetched now that this small
team has been formed. I wonder if that will be a component in the solution
they're working on?
  Stephanie Perrin:Any RDAP implementation will be crypto enabled ....so
yes he is certainly correct in discussing this.  part of our standards
workshop was to look at the existing standards.  But the point is, how does
ICANN strike a tech committee without a call for volunteers?
  Stephanie Perrin:How is this bypassing the GNSO council?
  Stephanie Perrin:EWG report talks about this.  In my view, they are just
implementing the EWG solution.
  Collin Kurre:Very valid questions. As others have highlighted, it's a
very homogenous group as well. Area for improvement in diversity,
transparency, and accountability
  Stephanie Perrin:absolutely, Kathy is dead right, you have to be on high
alert during the holidays
  Rafik Dammak:@stephanie no call for volunteers, likley picked
  Stephanie Perrin:I know Rafik, it is a coalition of the willing
  Stephanie Perrin:fabulous, Kathy, I am sorry that I have not had enough
time to add my comments to the NCSG comment.  Am drafting separate ones.
We need more than one comment.
  Kathy:Tx Stephanie -- yes, two is different than one.
  Kathy:I meant two is better than one!
  Elsa Saade:or boycott? :)
  Kathy:probably not
  Stephanie Perrin:Boycott without lawsuit is not useful in my
view....although awfully awfully tempting.  It is a profound waste of our
time
  Stephanie Perrin:We are just there putting our fingers in the dykes,
trying to hold off the waves....
  Stephanie Perrin:We are still going to have a major fight on distinction
between legal and natural persons.
  Stephanie Perrin:I think we need overall comments, not just on the
graph....comments on the overall report, its gaps, link with charter, what
the heck is going on with the tech committee, what is Icann;s role, etc.
  Kathy:Hopefully Article 9 helps with that-- enormous protection for
those engaged in sensitive religious, philosophical, racial, ethnic,
political, trade union, health, gender, sexual orientation topics and
organizations
  Stephanie Perrin:in particular it would be useful if journalistic or
political groups could comment on their need for confidentiality,, backed
by their constitutional rights to free speech (and freedom from harassment)
  Stephanie Perrin:out posts just crossed, did you mean article 19?
  Elsa Saade:I tried to reach out to some orgs, but everyone is rly busy
and they haven't really been following the discussion like NCSG has so
can't comment the same way we can I'd say
  Collin Kurre:We had a great BestBits resurrectrion call last week, and
one of the next-steps was making an org mapping document listing the
various orgs active in ICANN (and other fora), their ongoing activities,
areas of interest, and points of contact. Elsa if you'd like to contribute
to that, would be great!  The idea is to make it easier to coordinate and
mobilize NGOs
  Collin Kurre:Would love to hear about Sub Pros!
  Collin Kurre:Bummer
  Collin Kurre:Ah great, thanks Kathy!
  bruna santos:I havent been much active on the wg lately, but im trying to
work on the comments and hopefully we will submit the supplemental report
(wt 1-4) tomorrow.
  Elsa Saade:sure Collin! I'll keep an eye out for emails regarding that,
but if there's an entry point let me know :)
  bruna santos:Kathy and Olga have been working on the same doc too
  Stephanie Perrin:Sadly we just lost EDRI as a member... no time.  IF they
were part of the Bestbits endeavour, it would be great to reengage.  What
we need is help coordinating with groups, so they dont feel they have to
resign if they have no one to staff the regular meetings
  bruna santos:Ad Elsa
  Collin Kurre:Thanks Kathy!  Do you know when the SubPros meetings start
up again after after the holidays?
  Kathy:they're meeting all week.
  Kathy:not sure when they start back up.
  Kathy:you can write to julie hedlund -- julie.hedlund at icann.org
  bruna santos:Please lets coordinate on skype again, I dont have much time
and have been mostly an observer on subgroup A, but Id be happy to get back
on track
  Kathy:@Collin - do you have sime time this week?
  Kathy:If so, there are 3 meetings :-)
  Kathy:Tx Bruna!!
  Collin Kurre:I'll have a look if I can tune in for any of them, but this
week is nuts (as you can imagine!) Flying home for the holidays on Friday
  Arsene Tungali:Apologies, i was cut off due to network issues but now i
am back after reconnecting
  Stephanie Perrin:old
  Kathy 2:Isn't that the GAC and ALAC being upset we didn't weigh their
comments to the exclusion of all others?
  Kathy 2:It does seem to belong here
  Stephanie Perrin:re GAC ALAC, yes.
  Stephanie Perrin:But if they dont get what they want on RDS, it might get
uglier than normal
  Stephanie Perrin:We cannot wait for the Finance cttee to take the lead,
and we need a cross cutting and robust discussion on the five year plan
  Stephanie Perrin:WE know you can handle it Fik! :-)
  Rafik Dammak:
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  Stephanie Perrin:sound cutting out
  Stephanie Perrin:Me too, I do not want to be the only one responding.
Kathy is I think one of the only other leaders here today, and Bruna.
Apologies if I am missing anyone
  bruna santos:I will send this message across, Stephanie and Rafik!
  Stephanie Perrin:Please, and thank you!
  Louise Marie Hurel:yep
  Poncelet Ileleji:Rafijk Thank you so much, I personally am satisfied with
the discuss
  Rafik Dammak:@all it is a genuine request, please feel free to ask any
question :) happy to respond
  Collin Kurre:Yes, submitted the agenda and description as requested by
Maryam
  Collin Kurre::)
  Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Rafik, great job as always.
  Farell Folly:Thanks Rafik once more. It is not an easy task.
  bruna santos:Thanks Rafik@
  Elsa Saade:thanks Rafik!
  Avri Doria:bye, thanks
  varsha sewlal:Thank you for all the hard work that you do.
  Collin Kurre:Thanks for your  leadership, guidance and support, Rafik!
  Collin Kurre:Happy holidays, everyone! See you next year
  Akinremi Peter Taiwo:Thanks Rafik and everyone
  Claire Craig:bye
  Louise Marie Hurel:bye all!
  Poncelet Ileleji:Thanks Rafik, Bye all happy holidays
  Arsene Tungali:bye
  bruna santos:Bye everyone!
  Olga Kyryliuk 2:Thanks Rafik and all. Happy holidays
  Kathy 2:Happy Holidays, All!
  Kathy 2:Tx Rafik!
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