Attendance and Recording of the NCSG Policy Call on 15 August 2018 at 13:30 UTC
Liz Orembo
lizorembo at GMAIL.COM
Thu Aug 16 00:04:48 EEST 2018
Thank you for this Rafik.
My apologies I wasn't able to comment coz of network issues. Will
participate in the next ones.
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 2:11 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
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> Please find attendance and recording of the *NCSG Policy Call on 15
> August 2018 at 13:30 UTC*
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> *Attendance: *Amr Elsadr, Austin Ruckstuhl, Ayden Férdeline, Benjamin
> Akinmoyeje, Claire Craig, Collin Kurre, Dajana Mulaj, Ekue Farell Folly,
> Elsa Saade, Farzaneh Badii, Franco Giandana, James Njoeoge Gitau, Julf
> Helsingius, Martin Silva Valent, Olévié Kouami, Olga Kyryliuk, Rafik
> Dammak, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tatiana Tropina, Tomslin
> Samme-Nlar *ICANN Org.:* Ozan Sahin
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> *Mp3: *Attached
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> *Viewing Link*: *https://participate.icann.org/p830r8rowji/*
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> *AC Chat:*
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> Ozan Sahin:Dear all, welcome to the NCSG Policy call on Wednesday, 15
> August 2018 at 13:30 UTC
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> Rafik Dammak:hello all
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> Tatiana Tropina:Hi all
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> Franco Giandana:Hello all!
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> Ayden Férdeline:Hi all
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> Rafik Dammak:we will start in 1 or 2 min
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> Martín Silva Valent:hi
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> Rafik Dammak:if you are not speaking, please mute yourself
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> Tomslin Samme-Nlar:hello
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> Stephanie Perrin:Hi all!
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> Collin Kurre:Hi everyone
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> Amr Elsadr:Hi all.
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> Shah Zahidur Rahman:Hi Everyone
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> Stephanie Perrin:Who is 1734xxx please?
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> Stephanie Perrin:cutting out a lot AMr
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> Elsa Saade:hey everyone!
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> Amr Elsadr:Thanks.
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> Julf Helsingius:Apologies for joining late - got stuck in traffic
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I am not comfortable with voting on this motion, I agree
> with Farz that we need to raise the questions, esp with regard to what GNSO
> said in 2017 (there is a reference to this in our comment)
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> Amr Elsadr:Report here:
> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/attachments/20180807/ab4b45f9/red-cross-protection-policy-amend-process-final-06aug18-en-0001.pdf
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> Amr Elsadr:Summary of recommendations at the beginning of the report.
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> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we have to vote tomorrow.
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> Tatiana Tropina:I wonder if we defer what's gotta change!
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> Amr Elsadr:Wouldn't mind a deferral.
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> Tatiana Tropina:I won't mind a deferral but at the end the report won't
> change and we will vote no or abstain.
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> Tatiana Tropina:so we can just vote no or abstain with the statements.
>
> Claire Craig:If we defer is there a timeframe?
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> Farzaneh Badii:I will read it. I wonder how carefully they read it :)
>
> Amr Elsadr:We need to get real. Nobody from NCSG participated in this
> WG, and the WG is submitted to the Council with Full Consensus of its
> members. The motion will pass on Council, irrespective of our views/votes.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:okay let's asl for a deferral tomorrow
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> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, that's what am saying, the deferral would be only
> to strategise our abstentions/nos
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> Tatiana Tropina:and supermajority, yes
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> Elsa Saade:i tend to agree with Tatiana on this one
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> Amr Elsadr::-)
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> Tatiana Tropina:I am somewhere in the middile ground, I won't mind just
> to vote no tomorrow
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> Tatiana Tropina:It's just stand on our ground. So instead of deferral we
> can just say a big no right on the spot. But deferral is better, some fuss
> :-)
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I can help with the reason
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Can we come up with a clear paragraph as to what we are
> objecting to?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:No requires no explanation, but abstention won't count.
> Hmmmm. Hard choice, let's defer
>
> Amr Elsadr:If our councilors would like this motion to be defered,
> should be for a good reason. One reason might be to investigate whether or
> not the WG has made its recommendations based on a legal basis, or not. If
> there is a legal basis for these names to be reserved, then the WG should
> demonstrate this. If there isn't...,
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Farzaneh, the comment you drafted is really outlining
> all the reasons very good, but if there is anything else you could add - am
> sure we all will appreciate....
>
> Farzaneh Badii:sure. I just have to check if they changed anything based
> on our comments. I doubt it :)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, do you think the reason that the WG chair promised
> to get in contact with us and explain how our comments were addressed etc
> etc is not a good reason? The fact that we need investigate... ?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I saw they still had the magic number 191...
>
> Amr Elsadr:I have no idea, Tanya. This topic has been stuck in the
> GNSO's throat for years, but I haven't followed this WG's work at all. I
> could imagine a scenario where folks involved are so sick of it, they want
> to put it behind them, and get the GAC off their backs.
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> Farzaneh Badii:would have been nice to know what changes they made
>
> Tatiana Tropina:also second level still stays. Anyway, we have time to
> check
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> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: As for the public comment review tool used by the WG.
>
> Amr Elsadr:*Ask
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> Tatiana Tropina:Amr it looked to me like everyone is just sick, yes.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Farz this one is for you
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_report-2Dcomments-2Dred-2Dcross-2Dprotection-2Dinitial-2D13aug18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=72g7yLR_11q3NQJ23N-1IZA358CA_ULoibP_dHAJwR0&e=
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> Tatiana Tropina:Our comments warrant no changes.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:so you don't even have to check the report: "Action
> Taken: None, the comments do not warrant changes to the full consensus
> recommendations."
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> Tatiana Tropina:Explains why the chair never got back. Okay then.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:SORRY ! I moved.
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> Farzaneh Badii:!
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> Farzaneh Badii:thank you Tanya
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Who was the WG Chair?
>
> Rafik Dammak:Phil and Petter
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> Farzaneh Badii:is this GAC consensus advice?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:how about we sell half of the Internet land to GAC. maybe
> they will be satisfied
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Ok then yes, PHil has been briefing us pretty
> thoroughly on this one, I bet they are sick of it.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Over to you Board....
>
> Farzaneh Badii:yes they have been briefing us on bad recommendations ...
> I remember that
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> Stephanie Perrin:and the legal review they commissioned was top notch
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Bottom line, Red Cross do not want to have to pay for
> internet vigilence.
>
> Amr Elsadr:It'll be a repeat of the RC situation.
>
> Amr Elsadr:If the Board gives in to the GAC, which is of course, unheard
> of. ;-)
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> Julf Helsingius:Amr: oh yes, that never happens. :)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Getting ready for another end run vis a vis
> EPDP. Elliot v Manal, stay tuned....
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> Tatiana Tropina:sell to GAC? They would want it for free :-(
>
> Farzaneh Badii:yup
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> Farzaneh Badii:free rides
>
> Tatiana Tropina:The WS2 .. I guess we gotta stamp it. Even though they
> didn't really address our comments
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> Stephanie Perrin:Strategically, do we want to object every time they
> ignore our commentson principle, or do we abstain and make a statement?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I think abstain makes sense
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Steph, I think in this case we rather vote yes. We can
> flag that we are unhappy during the discussion
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I am not ready to abstain from voting for WS2 to be
> honest.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:There are arguments on both sides. I am mentally
> preparing for our comments on the RDS Review to be not implemented.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:but Ombuddy. Yes, it's a *problem*
>
> Tatiana Tropina:We might want to flag it during the discussion tomorrow?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:saying yes, we can approve, but look there is a big
> problem that we are forced to rubber stamp in bulk
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I do think the feeling would be that we are just a
> bunch of whiners
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I think that's a good idea Tatiana. if that can be done.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Well if we vote no for this giant work of 16058 people
> because of ombuddy....
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> Farzaneh Badii:just for our own records even
>
> Stephanie Perrin:We need to publish statements which detail objections
> for the record
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> Farzaneh Badii:haha
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> Farzaneh Badii:16058 will be after us
>
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@stephanie why do you think our comments
> will not be implemented in the RDS Review
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I think we can just flag unhappiness on the record
> tomorrow. I am making a note to myself. I can take the floor and say that
> it's unfair that we are put into the situation when we object to one rec
> strongly and have to rubber stamp
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Benjamin, I have had a hard time getting them to listen
> to me on the group. The chair is anti-privacy. The RDS Review is only
> looking at the 2012 recommendations, which did very little for our
> issues....it was all about accuracy and compliance.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:it's insane that an anti privacy person is appointed as
> chair
>
> Farzaneh Badii:aat least a neutral one ...
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Basically we are saying "GDPR will have an impact on
> future WHOIS, but is not relevant to this review." We are not making new
> meaningful recommendations. Folks are locked in Status quo. There is one
> NCSG< one Registrar, and 4 GAC 4 ALAC
>
> Amr Elsadr:RDS Reviews are scoped on the implementation of policies
> already in place, no? And there was a desire to not overlap any of its work
> with other ongoing RDS projects, like the Next-Gen RDS PDP?
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: I'd imagine that GDPR is actually out of scope
> of the Review.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:yes, but it is a bit crazy to have recommendations
> about WHOIS that ignore GDPR.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:oops I missed what Rafik said
>
> Amr Elsadr:Not familiar with the contents of PDP 3.0, but will look into
> it. Curious.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I got distracted. ...
>
> Stephanie Perrin:5 years from now, we will be reviewing recommendations
> which ignore GDPR....
>
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):I am still here with you Rafik
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: Hopefully, 5 years from now, you'll be reviewing
> how the EPDP and RDS PDP outcomes played out.
>
> Collin Kurre:And celebrating the successes of the multistakeholder
> model, of course
>
> Amr Elsadr:So shouldn't ignore GDPR. We need to develop policies that
> address GDPR, before we get around to reviewing them.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:True, Amr....I just am losing hope. NEed vitamins
> perhaps....
>
> Tatiana Tropina:there is no amount of vitamins that can restore hope. As
> in that old saying "even with all the mayonnaise in the world you can't
> make chicken salad out of chicken poop"
>
> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria):@Stephanie is it still possible to have a
> WHOIS that will ignore GDPR, certainly I believe the EU will not let that
> happen.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I can't imagine where the volunteers are going to be
> found
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Tat :-)
>
> Farzaneh Badii:well Tat, vegans might disagree with you
>
> Amr Elsadr:The policy is certainly necessary, so is an IAG to ensure
> that the implementation of the policy is..., implementable.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:If it starts up, it is dangerous, we have to staff
> it. Maybe move the whole EPDP with backup over.....swarming.
>
> Amr Elsadr:And this policy goes beyond the scope of GDPR. This policy
> allows for contracted parties to raise issues with whatever national law is
> applicable, GDPR or other.
>
> Collin Kurre:agree with those objections, tatiana
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I agree with Tat. But I think we are running into
> procedural issues re the number of times a motion can be deferred....
>
> Amr Elsadr:This group is an advisory group on implementation of an
> already existing policy.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:We have to resolve the motion tomorrow.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Yeah we do but it's *vvaaaaaaguuuuue*
>
> Amr Elsadr:Not a motion, right? Just a discussion topic?
>
> Tatiana Tropina:No no motion. We approved the charter. sigh.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Oh my mistake, I thought we were up against the time
> limit....
>
> Elsa Saade:that was my fear back when this was still in discussion mode
>
> Stephanie Perrin:So we have no time limit on how long we can rag this
> puck now?
>
> Elsa Saade:at what point can the charter be reviewed ?
>
> Collin Kurre:I don't think it's a good idea to have several parallel
> processes addressing the same issue. On top of straining limited resources
> (volunteer hours), it also risks producing conflicting / contradicting
> outcomes
>
> Stephanie Perrin:(must be repression setting in, yes we dealt with it
> last time)
>
> Amr Elsadr:Proposed charter here:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_drafts_draft-2Dicann-2Dprocedure-2Dwhois-2Dconflicts-2Diag-2D23jan18-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=0JIEcFcdud39u4jFmpdXOfdiYKmWZvc2Bt8wxA3WaGQ&e=
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> Tatiana Tropina:The main idea behind this entire thingy was that it will
> deal with additional issue
>
> Tatiana Tropina:issues
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I support
>
> Tatiana Tropina:so not like in parallel. But the problem is that until
> you know what's on with EPDP you can't really see what's in parallel and
> what's not!
>
> Farzaneh Badii:i mean i support travel support of rapporteurs and
> co-chair of pdps
>
> Farzaneh Badii:oh it;s not a matter for discussion? ok
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I think we just get updates on how helpful this support
> is/ was
>
> Collin Kurre:bingo tat and it's also hard to tackle this subject in a
> logical, step-by-step way when all these ad-hoc proposals and groups keep
> popping up
>
> Collin Kurre:whack-a-mole
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Collin, yeah totally.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:it's a bad idea. can you scrap or delay it?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:(the WHOIS conflict I meant)
>
> Ayden Férdeline:good question Amr
>
> Stephanie Perrin:we have to find a way....it is NUTS to keep doing this.
>
> Ayden Férdeline:i presume the Chair has been notified
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I thought we did get a note from Heather
>
> Ayden Férdeline:but the EPDP is not being kept updated
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Who is deciding on where that money will be spent
>
> Tatiana Tropina:WHOIS conflict - I guess we can raise so many points in
> discussion that the discussion will be deferred
>
> Ayden Férdeline:similarly, various letters on the correspondence page
> pertaining to the EPDP and addressed to the chaie have not been shared with
> the EPDP team on the EPDP list
>
> Ayden Férdeline:@stephanie Yes the Council did receive the letter, but
> the EPDP team did not
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Hmn, that should be an item for staff, no? the moment
> a letter appears it should be sent.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Seems rather basic....\
>
> Ayden Férdeline:I would have thought it was an item for the Chair, as it
> is addressed to them
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks, Rafik. Some follow up on this topic would be helpful.
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Ayden: I haven't seen any follow-up to Cherine's letter on
> the Council level either. Unless I missed it.
>
> Ayden Férdeline:there were 2 responses, from Pam Little and someone else
>
> Amr Elsadr:Ah..., thanks. Will check those out.
>
> Ayden Férdeline:but more 'thanks for sending it' type of communications
>
> Amr Elsadr::-)
>
> Amr Elsadr:Well..., that's something. :-)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I will skip the GNSO to do it...not like anything ever
> happens with GAC
>
> Tatiana Tropina:GNSO/GAC can be skipped for a great cause surely
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Exactly. I am so annoyed about this, I feel like using
> my grant money to rent a room in the hotel and invite the DPAs to come to a
> private session. Really, it sucks to be ignored.
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Tanya: ..., or for a petty one. ;-)
>
> Amr Elsadr:Anything but..., :)
>
> Collin Kurre:what?!
>
> Ayden Férdeline:five...
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr :D :D :D
>
> Amr Elsadr:Julf is stuck with the GAC, though, so best of luck to him!!
>
> Julf Helsingius:Thanks. :)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Adam was having success getting a room at Amadeu
> Abril's law school, but that will involve us all leaving the conference to
> go offsite
>
> Collin Kurre:we all remember their multistakeholder policy
> recommendations! I can't believe they get that much bandwidth still! I
> thought the sketchiness around the IP recs would have outed them as an
> interest group through and through...
>
> Ayden Férdeline:no it is not fair to have to leave the venue, as nice as
> Barcelona is
>
> Ayden Férdeline:the Board always has spare rooms they never use
>
> Stephanie Perrin:COmplain to the CEO!!!!!!!!!
>
> Stephanie Perrin: you have a meeting coming up.
>
> Collin Kurre:^^
>
> Amr Elsadr:Yes, Farzi. That sounds like a good topic for your meeting
> with the CEO.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I really feel that I am wasting my time doing this
> research project.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:oh I will. list of complaints getting long :)
>
> Amr Elsadr:So we can end the call 20 minutes early? :-)
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Amr, wishful thinking
>
> Farzaneh Badii:oh 20 minutes of life?
>
> Farzaneh Badii:or I can talk to you about DNA :)))
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Shall I write to the CEO with my proposal? Just to get
> it on the record?
>
> Ayden Férdeline:there is a hand raised
>
> Farzaneh Badii:let me handle this Steph ... dont get excited
>
> Farzaneh Badii:Rafik, Collin wants to talk
>
> Collin Kurre:it's cool I can wait
>
> Amr Elsadr:Your arm will get tired.
>
> Collin Kurre:;)
>
> Tatiana Tropina::D
>
> Farzaneh Badii:your hand is blue now ...
>
> Rafik Dammak:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_public-2Dcomments-23open-2Dpublic&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=PVrkI4MWuO0tcdZIZpo9Bykod3QoFJ227gdXiazrStQ&e=
>
> Amr Elsadr:Yes.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Yes Collin
>
> Franco Giandana:I am sorry I have to leave sooner, something came up! I
> will be waiting for the minutes!
>
> Collin Kurre:link to workshop for reference:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dws-2D349-2Da-2Dmultistakeholder-2Dapproach-2Dto-2Dhrias-2Dlessons-2Dfrom-2Dicann&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=SJoAZJPf4sll7c5HM-90jeUSDBNV8i1H6DgoihUn1_U&m=51nYcDqdDOcrM8k0vz8B69xsJxClrt896QByb3--dwI&s=v9o0Gv6sgUntZbem7bDCnD5CUUXCQ6wN7rIWFc2WDN4&e=
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Sadly, I am not getting excited, I am circling the
> Slough of Despond and the Depths of Despair (for non-english speakers, this
> refers to a very famous Tome written centuries ago called Pilgrim's
> Progress....very Christian fantasy novel by John Bunyan, required reading
> for early American Protestants.... )
>
> Collin Kurre:There will be a LOT going on! :D
>
> Collin Kurre:New publications, new HRIA model, tapas...
>
> Tatiana Tropina:15 min for EPDP and AOB O_o
>
> Farzaneh Badii:EPDP? can I leave?
>
> Amr Elsadr:Can I come with you?
>
> Elsa Saade:haha get going guys
>
> Tatiana Tropina:I am leaving with no warning :-)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:No deserters, they will be shot
>
> Elsa Saade:and kudos to you all
>
> Rafik Dammak:Stephanie you need to be elected first :)
>
> Julf Helsingius:Yes, but I have also had lots of conflicts
>
> Amr Elsadr:Geez Stephanie!! Started cursing out loud. Thought you were
> quitting the EPDP for a minute!!
>
> Tatiana Tropina:Speth is you shoot all the deserters from this call we
> would have almost no one on EPDP ;-)
>
> Julf Helsingius:As I am there already....
>
> Tatiana Tropina:*I made a typo in Steph's name ... I think it's almost
> time to leave for me
>
> Julf Helsingius:Stephanie: if nobody else is interested, I am OK being
> the last resort of the audction proceeds wg
>
> Amr Elsadr:There are some who would prefer to continue with a pointless
> Review, just to avoid a precedent in abandoning accountability
> safeguards/bylaw requirements, such as reviews. Or so they say...,
>
> Ayden Férdeline:i am happy to review the initial report of Auction
> Proceeds and work on the NCSG response... but i don't have the capacity to
> follow that working group every week
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I actually accept that rationale Amr....v dangerous to
> let the CEO decide to cancel.
>
> Amr Elsadr:But like you said, it's a waste of time, effort and money.
>
> Collin Kurre:EPDP's just going round and round
>
> Farzaneh Badii:haha
>
> Collin Kurre:"I will volunteer... YOU"
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Yes it is very very wearying. Thank goodness Volker is
> there.
>
> Ekue Farell FOLLY:hahhaha funny
>
> Ayden Férdeline:4 calls thus far
>
> Stephanie Perrin:For those of us who were on the RDS......it is like
> going in circles forever. Dante's purgatorio....
>
> Ayden Férdeline:and constant fire firefighting, as some attempt to
> rewrite basic rules, i.e. the role of an alternate
>
> Julf Helsingius:Circles forever - or the circling leading down a
> whilrpool?
>
> Stephanie Perrin:we could rewrite the trilogy, I think Dante got it
> wrong. But then he had not experienced ICANN....
>
> Stephanie Perrin:(sorry, not inspiring the new recruits to volunteer, am
> I)
>
> Collin Kurre:great summary Amr
>
> Amr Elsadr:Actually forgot all about the early input!! Whoops!!
>
> Stephanie Perrin:So unless someone else comes forward, Julf is our guy
> on Auction Proceeds now, I will inform the group after the election
> closes...
>
> Julf Helsingius:Not keen, but... :)
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Perfect, I need to tell them I am departing first I
> think Rafik....
>
> Farzaneh Badii:oh come on. you are keen Julf
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Would a post mortem on it be useful?
>
> Collin Kurre:Absolutely.
>
> Collin Kurre:imo
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I think so too.....we need more sessions, not similar
> to this topic.
>
> Collin Kurre:Agree that those are very useful skills, Farz
>
> Julf Helsingius:I agree, Stephanie
>
> Rafik Dammak:the consultant cannot help for pdp or other susbtance
> matters because it is not his field
>
> Amr Elsadr:Number 1 barrier is ability to commit time and effort. All
> other barriers can be overcome, if this one can.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:we have been working on that Stephanie.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:I have been doing webinars on it, I share slides with
> them,. it's a matter of "reading"
>
> Collin Kurre:To be fair ICANN org doesn't always help. Their comms
> lately have leant themselves to a wider interpretation of mandate (i.e.
> references to fake news, etc)
>
> Austin Ruckstuhl:Stephanie, how about you just mentor me as a newcomer!
> ;)
>
> Farzaneh Badii:great idea Austin
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Farzi: Yes..., "reading" is part of the "effort" required.
>
> Amr Elsadr:New members should really try to ask questions, especially
> during these calls. Many of us would be happy to answer any.
>
> Julf Helsingius:"you need to be patient" applies to pretty much
> everything in ICANN
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Happy to mentor you Austin, just ask me questions!
>
> Amr Elsadr:"you need to have thick skin" is another.
>
> Stephanie Perrin:I think we need quizzes. When people cannot answer the
> questions, we provide references. Sort of a self learning tool.
>
> Collin Kurre:I could use some help in the CCWP-HR. I'm happy to mentor,
> instruct, and parcel out small tasks to newcomers who are interested in the
> topic of ICANN and human rights. Perhaps allowing people to start off
> mastering one little corner of the ecosystem is a useful approach.
>
> Farzaneh Badii:hahaha
>
> Claire Craig:Thanks for that comment Farzaneh
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Collin: Mastering one little corner is extremely useful.
>
> Austin Ruckstuhl:Thanks everyone. I love the idea of a quiz! Thanks
> Stephanie
>
> Tatiana Tropina:HR group is a great way to get engaged, I can confirm :-)
>
> Claire Craig:really appreciated, because it can be quite overwhelming
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Mine is so thick that when Fik tells me to be concise,
> I don't even hear it anymore....
>
> Amr Elsadr:@Stephanie: haha!!
>
> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.
>
> Tatiana Tropina:yay. Thanks all!
>
> Stephanie Perrin:Thanks Fik for Chairing1
>
> Tatiana Tropina:bye
>
> Claire Craig:bye
>
> Julf Helsingius:Thanks all!
>
> Farzaneh Badii:bye all
>
> Ayden Férdeline:thanks all
>
> Olga Kyryliuk:Thanks, bye
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
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