Meeting with CEO

[Ayden Férdeline]

The GNSO Council’s Standing Committee on Budget and Operations had a brief discussion on this issue earlier in the week. As part of that discussion I noted that the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority in the UK, which compiles and publishes the expense reports for elected members of Parliament, has been able to continue publishing its expense reports post-GDPR. Per its publication guidelines it will not publish “specific details of any disability assistance”, for instance, but it will publish the total claimed by the MP or a member of their staff annually from the disability assistance budget. So while ICANN might need to make some changes to its reports, I do think ICANN could find a way to publish more complete travel reports than it is today.

And as part of such a change it may make more sense for ICANN to publish more details around how it handles travel exemptions and bookings in premium cabins. Because it isn’t just those who have medical needs who have an entitlement to travel in a premium cabin; there seem to be a wide range of reasons.

It isn’t the role of the community to interrogate community members or to question the legitimacy or validity of a medical exemption, and I’m sorry you encountered this James. I’d be taking such a comment to the Ombudsperson if they were directed at me.

(And we could probably avoid this whole issue of potential inference of a medical condition by having a consistent and fair travel policy; no one arrives off a long haul flight in economy able to productively contribute to policy work.)

Best wishes, Ayden

> On 15 Aug 2018, at 21:18, James Gannon <james at CYBERINVASION.NET> wrote:
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> I would say that publishing information that has sufficient supporting info to single out people who have medical issues can be classed as PII.
>
> And Im not sure what more info you want me to elaborate on on the 2nd point, I have been subject to intense questioning from members of the community over the fact that while on SSR2 I had a medical exemption for long haul flights and what was wrong with me, “I look fine, I look healthy” etc. All because said info was published in the travel reports.
>
>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 19:44, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Would you care to elaborate on either point (or both...)?
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>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 2:18 PM, James Gannon  <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
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>>> I would disagree as would some case law.
>>> Having been the subject of near interrogation over the same topic I speak from experience.
>>>
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 19:10, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> I agree. There is a strong public interest to tracking expenses of this type. I don't consider the fact that a person has requested/received an exemption to be particularly sensitive, given that there's no need to publish any details about the specifics underlying that exemption (the actual medical information).
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ayden Férdeline  <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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>>>>> This is a legitimate concern, but it something that can be managed. Other organisations which publish similar data (government, grant issuing agencies) have ways of managing this, which ICANN might be able to learn from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:41, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
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>>>>>> The concern I know was raised previously is that it can be determined who has asked and received a medical exemption from the travel and flight policy hence may be considered for those people personal information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Claire,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, it is a balancing act, but with the exception of names, the travel report does not directly contain any personal information. It used to have the cost of a flight, for instance - but never the city of departure or any other identifying information. Much like we expect elected representatives in government to disclose their expenses, I think it is reasonable for those who are receiving financial support from ICANN to disclose the extent of this relationship by way of documents like the travel report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 15:03, Claire Craig <claireccraig at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interesting Ayden. We really have to insist on balancing transparency and privacy otherwise, before we know it everything could be justified and private hence outside of the purview of the community.
>>>>>>>> CCC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 17:55, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While we would certainly like to see ICANN act in a more privacy-minded fashion, we would also like to see ICANN remain appropriately transparent and accountable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might be worth asking to see the Privacy Impact Assessment (if any) that ICANN org conducted prior to redacting the travel reports of all meaningful data. They are now useless, as the financial information has been redacted, with ICANN org attributing this change to “privacy laws.”
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:49, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear members
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will have a meeting with the CEO on Friday the 17th. The issues that I have in mind to discuss with him are:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unified  Access Model and NCSG perspective. (we had some preliminary discussions on the list about it, hopefully, we will have some common positions which I can relay on Friday.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cross Community Sessions and dominance of the organizer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The need to have a more privacy-minded ICANN org and community
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is quite a full agenda and he would want to also talk about issues.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please comment on the current issues by tomorrow and let me know if you have any other topic you would like to be discussed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
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