GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA
Wed Oct 18 19:37:23 EEST 2017
You should have got my per diem. I returned it. I tried to cancel it,
but even though I had not received it yet, finance could not respond
quickly enough to cancel it.
Stephanie
On 2017-10-18 19:43, Sam Lanfranco wrote:
> Just for the record, I was a last minute substitute attendee in
> Iceland. I was given an already booked hotel room, but paid my own
> airfare, and received no per diem. I moved to the hotel from my B&B
> accommodations. So, I reduced ICANN'S costs. 😕
>
> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report
> From: Wisdom Donkor
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> CC:
>
>
> Thanks for the update.
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Raoul,
>
> Great question. Although there has been some variance in the
> amount of transit time, by and large most (all?) travellers
> arrived the night before the meeting begun. As all 3 NCPH
> Intersessionals have thus far been the same length, from a
> review of the past travel reports, it appears that each
> traveller has received an average of 4 nights hotel per
> meeting. A small number left a day early. It's just that on
> every metric - hotel, flight, per diem - Iceland was more
> expensive than Los Angeles and Washington DC.
>
> Now this does not explain why some people receive greater per
> diems than others, or why others have expenses reimbursed
> (which are recorded differently to visas), but I wanted to
> flag this travel report because it was a community decision to
> take the meeting to Iceland. And it was the NCSG which pushed
> the strongest for this location, though I concede the NCUC
> Chair Farzaneh Badii did try to inject a dose of reality into
> the conversation by noting that her research indicated that
> Iceland was more expensive than Singapore (itself not the most
> economical destination).
>
> Please remember that this travel report does not include other
> associated costs -- venue hire, location scouting (I am told
> that the Meetings team did a visit to Iceland a few weeks
> ahead of time to inspect the hotel), catering, staff and Board
> travel.
>
> In the past we have had conversations around whether or not
> the Intersessional is 'worth it', and on balance, I feel very
> strongly that it is. But I think it was incorrect for us to
> assert, as some of our members did, that Iceland would be a
> more economical option than the US. That's something that I
> think we have to acknowledge. We were wrong. In the future if
> we push for meeting rotations, I hope we can provide a better
> justification, remembering that this is not an outreach event;
> this should be a strategy workshop.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report
>> Local Time: 18 October 2017 2:59 PM
>> UTC Time: 18 October 2017 13:59
>> From: plommer at GMAIL.COM
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','plommer at GMAIL.COM');>
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU');>
>>
>> There was a modest increase by four supported travellers.
>> However, on a per participant basis, the cost per
>> supported traveller increased. This can only be explained
>> by the destination of the meeting.
>>
>>
>> It could also be, that people were given less time in a hotel
>> in LA, because the transit was so much shorter, I'm just
>> guessing here though. Arsene's question on different per
>> diems is an extremely valid one if everyone spent the same
>> time on their journey. $350 vs $600+ sounds like a really big
>> leap and even one day extra doesn't explain it. Thanks for
>> following this up Ayden.
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On 18 October 2017 at 16:46, Ayden Férdeline
>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann at ferdeline.com');>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Arsene,
>>
>> There was a modest increase by four supported travellers.
>> However, on a per participant basis, the cost per
>> supported traveller increased. This can only be explained
>> by the destination of the meeting.
>>
>> It is a good question you raise regarding individual
>> costs and higher than average per diems and reimbursement
>> requests. I do not know why this is the case.
>>
>> The intersessional has previously been in Los Angeles,
>> and costs remained steady (certainly lower than Iceland).
>> Furthermore most participants from the CSG travel from
>> North America so it is a short hop for them.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017
>>> Travel Report
>>> Local Time: 18 October 2017 2:40 PM
>>> UTC Time: 18 October 2017 13:40
>>> From: arsenebaguma at GMAIL.COM
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arsenebaguma at GMAIL.COM');>
>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU');>
>>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing our members to this information, we
>>> need to be
>>> looking into the way ICANN resources are being used. I
>>> was glad to
>>> note that it is YOU (our member) who raised that
>>> question with regards
>>> to the cost of the meeting :)
>>>
>>> I had a quick look at the minutes and the travel report
>>> (https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents?preview=/63144488/71603236/GNSO%20NCPH%20Intersessional%20Meeting%202017%20Travel%20Report.pdf
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents?preview=/63144488/71603236/GNSO%20NCPH%20Intersessional%20Meeting%202017%20Travel%20Report.pdf>)
>>> and have the following comments:
>>>
>>> - I maybe wrong, but i think the reason (or one of the
>>> reasons) behind
>>> the increase compared to 2016 is because this year, the
>>> numbers have
>>> increased in terms of participants (attendees), number
>>> of travel
>>> support given, hotel supports, etc. I believe that"s why
>>> more money
>>> was spent?
>>>
>>> - I have a question (maybe odd) but what criteria
>>> determines the
>>> amount of perdiem/stipend received by attendees? I see
>>> many received
>>> $350 (including yourself) but others over that, some
>>> even over $600?
>>> How is this determined?
>>>
>>> - Now that the upcoming Intercessional will be in LA
>>> next year, can we
>>> expect to have another raise in the budget? LA might be
>>> more expensive
>>> than Iceland, i believe?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> 2017-10-18 1:30 UTC+02:00, Ayden Férdeline
>>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann at ferdeline.com');>>:
>>> > I forgot to add, the reason I have been following up
>>> is because, as recorded
>>> > on page 33 of these minutes, we were told that the
>>> cost of this
>>> > Intersessional in Iceland would be "relatively the
>>> same" compared with past
>>> > Intersessionals, and that we"d have the figures in 3
>>> or 4 weeks time. 4
>>> > weeks passed, no report was forthcoming, though it has
>>> now surfaced 8 months
>>> > later and we can see the total spend was 25% greater
>>> than in 2016. Given the
>>> > supposed rationale behind having the meeting in
>>> Iceland (a rationale that
>>> > one of our members made, incidentally) was because it
>>> was supposedly an
>>> > economical destination, I found this interesting.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Ayden
>>> >
>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>> >> Subject: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel
>>> Report
>>> >> Local Time: 18 October 2017 12:20 AM
>>> >> UTC Time: 17 October 2017 23:20
>>> >> From: icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann at ferdeline.com');>
>>> >> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu');>>
>>> >>
>>> >> In case it is of interest, the travel report from the
>>> Intersessional in
>>> >> Reykjavik in February was uploaded to [this
>>> >>
>>> page](https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents>)
>>> >> yesterday. It does not appear on the travel report
>>> page of the ICANN
>>> >> website. Some of us have been enquiring for a few
>>> months as to when it
>>> >> might be published, so I figure I might share it with
>>> you here in the
>>> >> interest of transparency...
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks, Ayden
>>> >>
>>> >>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> >>> Subject: [community] Non-Contracted Parties House >
>>> Intersessional 2017 -
>>> >>> Documents
>>> >>> Local Time: 16 October 2017 3:46 PM
>>> >>> UTC Time: 16 October 2017 14:46
>>> >>> From: no-reply at icann.org
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>>> >>> To: icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann at ferdeline.com');>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Ozan
>>> Sahin](https://community.icann.org/display/~ozan.sahin
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/%7Eozan.sahin>)
>>> edited the
>>> >>> page:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Intersessional 2017 -
>>> >>>
>>> Documents](https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents>)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Useful Documents
>>> >>> [Plenary Lunch - Contractual Compliance and Consumer
>>> Safeguards](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Lunch - Locating Compliance Metrics on
>>> ICANN Website](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Lunch - The 10 Most Abused Top Level
>>> Domains](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Session #2 - Compare Final Draft v NCPH
>>> Process for Selecting
>>> >>> GNSO Council Vice Chair](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Session #2 - 2017 Board Seat 14 Election
>>> Timeline 13 February
>>> >>> 2017](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Session #3 - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures
>>> Community Comment
>>> >>> Update](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Session #6 - NCPH Presenting](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Plenary Session #6 - NCPH Call for GNSO Structural
>>> Review](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [Meeting Report - Co-chair Session Notes/Action
>>> items/ Next Steps](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [ICANN Response to Questions from ICANN Compliance
>>> Session](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Evaluation
>>> Survey](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [NCPH Intersessional 2017 - Evaluation Survey
>>> >>> Results](/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64082814)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [NCPH Intersessional 2017 - Evaluation Survey
>>> Results.pdf](#)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> [GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report](#)
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