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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">You should have got my
per diem. I returned it. I tried to cancel it, but even
though I had not received it yet, finance could not respond
quickly enough to cancel it.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-18 19:43, Sam Lanfranco
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:201710182344.v9INi48W007621@daffy.uit.yorku.ca">
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Just for the record, I was a last minute substitute attendee in
Iceland. I was given an already booked hotel room, but paid my own
airfare, and received no per diem. I moved to the hotel from my
B&B accommodations. So, I reduced ICANN'S costs. 😕<br>
<br>
Sent from my Huawei Mobile
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report<br>
From: Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk@gmail.com><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
CC: <br>
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<blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks for
the update.<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, October 18, 2017, Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi Raoul,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Great question. Although there has been some variance
in the amount of transit time, by and large most (all?)
travellers arrived the night before the meeting begun.
As all 3 NCPH Intersessionals have thus far been the
same length, from a review of the past travel reports,
it appears that each traveller has received an average
of 4 nights hotel per meeting. A small number left a day
early. It's just that on every metric - hotel, flight,
per diem - Iceland was more expensive than Los Angeles
and Washington DC.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now this does not explain why some people receive
greater per diems than others, or why others have
expenses reimbursed (which are recorded differently to
visas), but I wanted to flag this travel report because
it was a community decision to take the meeting to
Iceland. And it was the NCSG which pushed the strongest
for this location, though I concede the NCUC Chair
Farzaneh Badii did try to inject a dose of reality into
the conversation by noting that her research indicated
that Iceland was more expensive than Singapore (itself
not the most economical destination).<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please remember that this travel report does not
include other associated costs -- venue hire, location
scouting (I am told that the Meetings team did a visit
to Iceland a few weeks ahead of time to inspect the
hotel), catering, staff and Board travel.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In the past we have had conversations around whether
or not the Intersessional is 'worth it', and on balance,
I feel very strongly that it is. But I think it was
incorrect for us to assert, as some of our members did,
that Iceland would be a more economical option than the
US. That's something that I think we have to
acknowledge. We were wrong. In the future if we push for
meeting rotations, I hope we can provide a better
justification, remembering that this is not an outreach
event; this should be a strategy workshop.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just my thoughts,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden<br>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional Meeting 2017
Travel Report<br>
</div>
<div>Local Time: 18 October 2017 2:59 PM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time: 18 October 2017 13:59<br>
</div>
<div>From: <a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','plommer@GMAIL.COM');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">plommer@GMAIL.COM</a><br>
</div>
<div>To: <a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span
style="font-size:12.8px">There was a modest
increase by four supported travellers. However, on
a per participant basis, the cost per supported
traveller increased. This can only be explained by
the destination of the meeting.</span><br>
</blockquote>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It could also be, that people were given less
time in a hotel in LA, because the transit was so
much shorter, I'm just guessing here though.
Arsene's question on different per diems is an
extremely valid one if everyone spent the same
time on their journey. $350 vs $600+ sounds like a
really big leap and even one day extra doesn't
explain it. Thanks for following this up Ayden.<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Raoul<br>
</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On 18 October 2017 at 16:46, Ayden Férdeline <span
dir="ltr"><<a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann@ferdeline.com');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Hi Arsene,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There was a modest increase by four supported
travellers. However, on a per participant basis,
the cost per supported traveller increased. This
can only be explained by the destination of the
meeting.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is a good question you raise regarding
individual costs and higher than average per
diems and reimbursement requests. I do not know
why this is the case.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The intersessional has previously been in Los
Angeles, and costs remained steady (certainly
lower than Iceland). Furthermore most
participants from the CSG travel from North
America so it is a short hop for them.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best wishes, Ayden<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: GNSO NCPH Intersessional
Meeting 2017 Travel Report<br>
</div>
<div>Local Time: 18 October 2017 2:40 PM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time: 18 October 2017 13:40<br>
</div>
<div>From: <a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">arsenebaguma@GMAIL.COM</a><br>
</div>
<div>To: <a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hi Ayden,<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for pointing our members to this
information, we need to be<br>
</div>
<div>looking into the way ICANN resources
are being used. I was glad to<br>
</div>
<div>note that it is YOU (our member) who
raised that question with regards<br>
</div>
<div>to the cost of the meeting :)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I had a quick look at the minutes and
the travel report<br>
</div>
<div>(<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents?preview=/63144488/71603236/GNSO%20NCPH%20Intersessional%20Meeting%202017%20Travel%20Report.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.org/d<wbr>isplay/ncph/Intersessional+201<wbr>7+-+Documents?preview=/6314448<wbr>8/71603236/GNSO%20NCPH%20Inter<wbr>sessional%20Meeting%202017%<wbr>20Travel%20Report.pdf</a>)<br>
</div>
<div>and have the following comments:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- I maybe wrong, but i think the reason
(or one of the reasons) behind<br>
</div>
<div>the increase compared to 2016 is
because this year, the numbers have<br>
</div>
<div>increased in terms of participants
(attendees), number of travel<br>
</div>
<div>support given, hotel supports, etc. I
believe that"s why more money<br>
</div>
<div>was spent?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- I have a question (maybe odd) but
what criteria determines the<br>
</div>
<div>amount of perdiem/stipend received by
attendees? I see many received<br>
</div>
<div>$350 (including yourself) but others
over that, some even over $600?<br>
</div>
<div>How is this determined?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Now that the upcoming Intercessional
will be in LA next year, can we<br>
</div>
<div>expect to have another raise in the
budget? LA might be more expensive<br>
</div>
<div>than Iceland, i believe?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
</div>
<div>Arsene<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2017-10-18 1:30 UTC+02:00, Ayden
Férdeline <<a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann@ferdeline.com');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>:<br>
</div>
<div>> I forgot to add, the reason I have
been following up is because, as recorded<br>
</div>
<div>> on page 33 of these minutes, we
were told that the cost of this<br>
</div>
<div>> Intersessional in Iceland would be
"relatively the same" compared with past<br>
</div>
<div>> Intersessionals, and that we"d
have the figures in 3 or 4 weeks time. 4<br>
</div>
<div>> weeks passed, no report was
forthcoming, though it has now surfaced 8
months<br>
</div>
<div>> later and we can see the total
spend was 25% greater than in 2016. Given
the<br>
</div>
<div>> supposed rationale behind having
the meeting in Iceland (a rationale that<br>
</div>
<div>> one of our members made,
incidentally) was because it was
supposedly an<br>
</div>
<div>> economical destination, I found
this interesting.<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>> Thanks, Ayden<br>
</div>
<div>><br>
</div>
<div>>> -------- Original Message
--------<br>
</div>
<div>>> Subject: GNSO NCPH
Intersessional Meeting 2017 Travel Report<br>
</div>
<div>>> Local Time: 18 October 2017
12:20 AM<br>
</div>
<div>>> UTC Time: 17 October 2017
23:20<br>
</div>
<div>>> From: <a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann@ferdeline.com');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
</div>
<div>>> To: NCSG <<a
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu');"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</a><wbr>><br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> In case it is of interest, the
travel report from the Intersessional in<br>
</div>
<div>>> Reykjavik in February was
uploaded to [this<br>
</div>
<div>>> page](<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann.<wbr>org/display/ncph/Intersessiona<wbr>l+2017+-+Documents</a>)<br>
</div>
<div>>> yesterday. It does not appear
on the travel report page of the ICANN<br>
</div>
<div>>> website. Some of us have been
enquiring for a few months as to when it<br>
</div>
<div>>> might be published, so I
figure I might share it with you here in
the<br>
</div>
<div>>> interest of transparency...<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>> Thanks, Ayden<br>
</div>
<div>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> -------- Original Message
--------<br>
</div>
<div>>>> Subject: [community]
Non-Contracted Parties House >
Intersessional 2017 -<br>
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<div>>>> Documents<br>
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<div>>>> Local Time: 16 October
2017 3:46 PM<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> [Ozan Sahin](<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/%7Eozan.sahin"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.icann<wbr>.org/display/~ozan.sahin</a>)
edited the<br>
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<div>>>> page:<br>
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</div>
<div>>>> [Intersessional 2017 -<br>
</div>
<div>>>> Documents](<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/ncph/Intersessional+2017+-+Documents"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://community.i<wbr>cann.org/display/ncph/Interses<wbr>sional+2017+-+Documents</a>)<br>
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<div>>>> Useful Documents<br>
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<div>>>> [Plenary Lunch -
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Safeguards](#)<br>
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<div>>>> [Plenary Lunch - Locating
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<div>>>> [Plenary Session #2 -
Compare Final Draft v NCPH Process for
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Chair](#)<br>
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<div>>>> [Plenary Session #2 - 2017
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Comment<br>
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<div>>>><br>
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<div>>>> [Plenary Session #6 - NCPH
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<div>>>><br>
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<div>>>> [Plenary Session #6 - NCPH
Call for GNSO Structural Review](#)<br>
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<div>>>><br>
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<div>>>> [Meeting Report - Co-chair
Session Notes/Action items/ Next Steps](#)<br>
</div>
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<div>>>> [ICANN Response to
Questions from ICANN Compliance
Session](#)<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> [GNSO NCPH Intersessional
Meeting 2017 Evaluation Survey](#)<br>
</div>
<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> [NCPH Intersessional 2017
- Evaluation Survey<br>
</div>
<div>>>>
Results](/pages/viewpage.actio<wbr>n?pageId=64082814)<br>
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<div>>>><br>
</div>
<div>>>> [NCPH Intersessional 2017
- Evaluation Survey Results.pdf](#)<br>
</div>
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</div>
<div>>>> [GNSO NCPH Intersessional
Meeting 2017 Travel Report](#)<br>
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</div>
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