Attendance and Recording - NCSG Monthly Policy Call of Monday 27 November 2017 at 2200 UTC.

Wed Nov 29 13:37:26 EET 2017

Thanks for sharing Maryam.

My apologies for not making the call - I had a clash with another
engagement.

Regarding GAC statements in the Abu Dhabi communiqué on maintaining public
WHOIS visibility, reading between the lines I saw this change of tack as a
sign that the PSWG realise that the GDPR is pretty clear on the
requirements for LEA access, thus addressing the government access issue -
but that they don't like the way the cookie crumbles for them, so are now
trying another angle to keep WHOIS public by default by citing consumer
trust. I don't think there's a strong enough case for this and would be
contrary to GDPR.

Reading the communiqué, I don't believe that the full GAC studied this
issue closely enough when considering the implications of the language it
was using. We should definitely seek to re-engage them on this issue and
make clear where we see the distinctions.

Kind regards,

Nick

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
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> Please find below attendance and recording of the NCSG Monthly Policy Call
> of Monday 27 November 2017 at 2200 UTC.
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> *Attendance: *
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC)
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> Marita Moll
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> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria)
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> ron wickersham
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> Nouradine Abdelkerim
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> Martin Silva
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> Marita Moll
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera
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> Benjamin Akinmoyeje (Nigeria)
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> Ishan Mehta
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> Olevie Kouami [NPOC]
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> Louise Marie Hurel
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> Thato Mfikwe
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> Rafik Dammak
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> Farzaneh Badii
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera
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> Tatiana Tropina
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> Kathy Kleiman
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> Farell FOLLY
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> Ayden Férdeline
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> Mubashir Sargana
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> Sam Lanfranco
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> Joan Kerr
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> Robin Gross
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> Dorothy Gordon
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> Vernatius Ezeama
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> Apologies: Gangadhar Panday
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> *Mp3:* https://icann.box.com/shared/static/25m9wjq3gg8wdvv2gxw1za7culktqu
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> *AC Chat: *
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Dear All, welcome to the NCSG monthly policy call on
> Monday 27 Nov 2017 at 2200 UTC
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Thank you
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Hi all
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Welcome Romina
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Thanks
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> Tatiana Tropina: Hi all
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> Kathy Kleiman: Hi Everyone!@
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): Hi everyone!
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Hi juan!
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> Rafik: hi, we will start in 2 minutes
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): Hi Romina!
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Placer de compartir con vosotros. Perdon que me
> exprese en español
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> Louise Marie Hurel: Hi all!
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> Ishan Mehta: Hello everyon!
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: thanks Maryam
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> Ayden Férdeline: hi all
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> Mubashir Sargana: hi all
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Hi Rafik
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: and all
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: A comment and generic question, can it be?
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Hi Olevie
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> Olevie [NPOC]: Geetings all
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> Joan Kerr: Hello Everyone
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> Olevie [NPOC]: Hi Romina
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> Farzaneh Badii: we need to stop GAC overreach. We can also have a meeting
> with GAC again and raise our concerns.
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> Olevie [NPOC]: Hi Sam
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> Farzaneh Badii: Also Board has to stop giving into whatever GAC asks for
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: My comment is about the new Internet regulation
> policies, what does the group think? Online DDHH
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> Tatiana Tropina: I have
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> Tatiana Tropina: https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/review-gac-communique-
> 21nov17-en.pdf
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> Tatiana Tropina: this is the link for GNSO response
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> Olevie [NPOC]: Thank you for the URL Tatiana
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> Tatiana Tropina: Farz I totally agree with you, but if it was *only* GAC
> who don't want to recognise GDPR
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> Nouradine Abdelkerim: hello
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Thanks Tatiana
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> Tatiana Tropina: I also don't believe GNSO councillors have the same view
> on this...
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> Ayden Férdeline: only Stephanie, I think
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: My comment is about the new Internet regulation
> policies, what does the group think? Online DDHH
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: thanks
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> Rafik: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/
> Motions+30+November+2017
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Thanks
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: DDHH is Human rights
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> Kathy Kleiman: Hi All, here's the publication I would recommend that the
> GNSO Council attach to the response to the GAC Communique to the ICANN
> Board: “Privacy and data protection principles guide for ICANN related data
> processing” published October 26, 2017, Council of Europe, Directorate
> General Human Rights and Rule of Law at https://webcache.
> googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4ZzpoaaIGlUJ:https://
> rm.coe.int/privacy-and-data-protection-principles-guide-
> for-icann-related-data-pr/168076169f+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Human rights on line.
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: Very important
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> Ayden Férdeline: should i give a brief background/
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> Rafik: it was keith making the 2 proposals
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> Rafik: IPC not happy with one alternative ad made change in the second
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> Rafik: the 2 triggers http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/
> council/2017-November/020621.html
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> Ayden Férdeline: sorry you are correct, it was Keith
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> Ayden Férdeline: but it was supported enthusiastically by the Chair
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> Rafik: the latest language proposed for trigger #2 :"If (i) it was
> previously determined that a provision in the RA, RAA or other contractual
> obligation conflicted with applicable law, statute, or regulation such that
> ICANN granted an exception under the terms of this Procedure and (ii) the
> registry or registrar is subject to the same applicable law, statute, or
> regulation, AND TO THE SAME CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION,  then the registry or
> registrar may request the same exception. AFTER A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY
> FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE REQUEST,  such request shall be granted by ICANN
> unless ICANN provides reasonable justification for not granting the
> request, in which case the registry or registrar may utilize another
> trigger."
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> Kathy Kleiman: Recommend that we keep “AND TO THE SAME CONTRACTUAL
> OBLIGATION,” and *delete* “AFTER A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC
> COMMENT ON THE REQUEST,”
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> Sam Lanfranco: I endorse Kathy's view of removing that CAPS wording.
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> Kathy Kleiman: I would think that the Registrars would agree.
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> Kathy Kleiman: They don't want a delay in compliance with the law
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> Ayden Férdeline: Heather has asked Keith a few times to comment on her
> amendment, but there has been no reply on-list, probably because of
> Thanksgiving..
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> Ayden Férdeline: http://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/attachments/
> 20171110/cc28bcb1/attachment-0001.doc
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> Ayden Férdeline: i think
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> Farzaneh Badii: Ayden, did Xavier say 24 months is unrealistic?
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> Ayden Férdeline: not unrealistic
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> Ayden Férdeline: better ways to invest the money
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> Ayden Férdeline: if we had an extra 12 months of operating expenses
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> Farzaneh Badii: this budget stuff is beyond my expertise. but I would say
> talking to ICANN finance people and then coming up with a comrpomise would
> be good
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> Ayden Férdeline: i don't see why we negotiate this, the current reserve
> fund only supports 4.5 months of operating expenses
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> Ayden Férdeline: i think 24 months is good, symbolically, and
> aspirationally
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> Martin Silva: Is not my expertise either, but will try to put my head and
> learn something :-P
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> Martin Silva: Luckly Ayden is also in there
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> Tatiana Tropina: Happiness is overrated when it comes to the call times :-)
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> Martin Silva: is not easy to determinate the appropiate amount of the
> reserve funds, I think to propperly discuss it we shiuld bring a corporate
> finance guy from ourside to do the right questions to understand it
> further. This part require both political and technical skills to sort it
> out.
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): https://community.icann.org/
> display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
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> Rafik: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/
> Public+Comments+-+2017
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera 2: My comment is about the new Internet
> regulation policies, what does the group think? Human rights on
> internacional cooperation,
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> Farzaneh Badii: IDN stuff is important I just never got my head around it
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: thanks!
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> Martin Silva: me 2, specially because spanish doesn't have such a strong
> claim on IDN, just accents and ñ
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: yes
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> Martin Silva: ó
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: thanks
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> Tatiana Tropina: hand up
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> Marita Moll: Hi. According to my records that meeting is on the 29th
> (Wednesday)
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera 2: thanks all
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> Robin Gross: oh thanks, yes, it is.  On my calendar it is 28 Nov, but it
> is set for 29 Nov 05:00 UTC
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): Marita in UTC is from 05 to 06
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera 2: by
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> Tatiana Tropina: just a thought for the future
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: yes the future all
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: global and friend
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> Farell FOLLY: Dear all, I am sorry. I have to leave the call. Was Glad to
> be on the call.
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: i too
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: sorry
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: bes regards
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: thank all
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: and honor
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> Farell FOLLY: See you. Have a nice night..
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: a disponsal forever
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: byby
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> Romina Florencia Cabrera: next
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> Kathy Kleiman: Tx Rafik for the meeting!!
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> Ayden Férdeline: off-topic - NCUC has a session at the IGF next month -
> you are welcome to come https://igf2017.sched.com/event/CTrz
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> Sam Lanfranco: byby...
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): Thanks
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> Tatiana Tropina: Thanks all - bye
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> Robin Gross: Thanks, Rafik, and all!  Bye!
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> Ayden Férdeline: thanks all
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> Farzaneh Badii: bye
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> Juan Manuel Rojas (NPOC): Bye!
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> Louise Marie Hurel: bye all
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> Maryam Bakoshi: Thank you all for attending the call. Good bye.
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> --
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> Many thanks,
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> *Maryam Bakoshi | *SO/AC Collaboration Services Sr. Coordinator
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> *ICANN* | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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