Requirements for information about speakers and participants for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi

Mon Jul 3 03:36:10 EEST 2017

Hey Seun,

Enjoy your time in Abu Dhabi but be aware that some people who are not
priviledged enough or who don't have the same backgrounds and same work
focus won't be able to enjoy it as you will. Point being, it might be safe
to be there, however we cannot deny the underlying censorship or
suveillance and targetting of human rights defenders from that region, thus
their inability to participate, as mentioned earlier.

Best,

Elsa
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On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:44 PM Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> You will be surprised, Abu Dhabi may become the best ICANN meeting ever!
> things may not be as scary as they are made to look/sound like; Almost
> every foreigner who visits my dear country Nigeria after hearing all the
> scary stuff gives a positive feedback. ;-)
>
> Regards
> PS: For anyone involved in RIR related stuff, next AFRINIC meeting will be
> holding in Nigeria (Lagos) sometime in November. Looking to see some of you
> there.
>
> On Jul 2, 2017 1:10 PM, "Kris Seeburn" <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This makes logical sense. Wonder why we are forcing this location at this
>> time.
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:44 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at MAIL.UTORONTO.CA> wrote:
>>
>> I am behind on this thread.  Lots of women and folks with LGBTQ concerns
>> don't want to go to Abu Dhabi.  Has there been any thought of arranging a
>> satellite conference for those who don't want to /can't fly to AD for
>> safety, comfort,  or visa reasons? I think we might get quite a few
>> participants in such a satellite conference, and we could hold it somewhere
>> safe and easy to get to, with really good conferencing facilities.  Just a
>> thought.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> On 2017-06-29 08:25, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I don't think anyone is trying to question your commitment to human
>> rights - I'm certainly not.
>>
>> I don't know your CV in detail, but I can tell you mine involves
>> coordinating human rights advocacy projects in Afghanistan, Palestine,
>> Jordan, Indonesia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Pakistan and the Maldives, among
>> other high pressure spots. I understand very well the entitlement/privilege
>> of which you speak, and I never forget that at the end of the day, I get on
>> a plane and fly out, while the local activists are the ones who have to
>> deal with the fallout of the work. However, if we're talking about the
>> people that are on the front lines, we don't do them any favours by staying
>> silent. Indeed, often the best protection they have is international
>> publicity. I've had these conversations a lot with people in high risk
>> areas, and I can't recall ever being told to dial things back, except where
>> that was part of a broader advocacy strategy (like, to protect ongoing
>> backchannel discussions).
>>
>> That said, I'm not proposing arranging special sessions to discuss the
>> country's human rights record, since this seems quite tangential to what
>> we're supposed to be engaging on as part of the ICANN process. But I also
>> don't think we should commit to keeping silent on this issue as individuals
>> and, if the subject comes up, potentially as a stakeholder group. Perhaps
>> we don't disagree on that? In either case, I would very much welcome inputs
>> of colleagues that are in country, or active across the region.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Sam Lanfranco <lanfran at yorku.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> James,
>>>
>>> Let me make it clear. My position is based on the risk that in most
>>> cases "in country ICANN constituency human rights activities" during
>>> conferences will put national groups and peoples at risk.
>>> This is different, and separate from, more generic ICANN discussions of
>>> the relationship between protecting human rights and the security and
>>> stability of the DNS system (ICANN's remit).
>>>
>>> As someone individually who has championed human rights for over half a
>>> century, been tear gassed and shot at, I am firmly in the camp of human
>>> rights activists.
>>> If the NCSG consensus position is to either treat such activities as
>>> within ICANN's remit (some might challenge that), or if delegates wish to
>>> arrange "rump sessions"
>>> dealing with country specific human issues, I would press for prior full
>>> consultation and endorsement by the local groups who would be engaged in
>>> the events.
>>> This would be more that just scheduling sessions and inviting local
>>> groups to participate.
>>>
>>> My core concern is that ICANN constituency members should not use their
>>> entitlement (temporary presence under the ICANN banner) to put highly
>>> exposed local activists at risk.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>>
>>> On 6/29/2017 6:40 AM, James Gannon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I
>>> would go so far as to recommend that for countries with human rights
>>> issues, digital or otherwise, if and when ICANN reaches what it
>>> considers as a satisfactory arrangement, there is an understanding that
>>> during the event none of ICANN’s constituency groups will publicly, or
>>> in collaboration with local groups, engage in activities that challenge
>>> human rights record and policies of the local government.
>>>
>>> Hey Sam,
>>>
>>> This would fly in the face of most if not the vast majority of NCUCs
>>> mission and outreach, these are the groups and peoples that we say we are
>>> here to engage with and support and advocate for.
>>>
>>>
>>> -James
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Sam Lanfranco
>>> <lanfran at YORKU.CA> <lanfran at YORKU.CA>
>>> *Sent:* 28 June 2017 23:13:35
>>> *To:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> *Subject:* Re: Requirements for information about speakers and
>>> participants for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>>
>>> Constituency Colleagues,
>>>
>>> The subject of human rights and, in particular, the rights of digital
>>> citizenship in countries hosting ICANN meetings, is both the elephant
>>> and the gorilla (the unspoken issues) in ICANN Conference venue
>>> discussions.  Without going into specifics, in the past several years
>>> ICANN has held its conferences in countries where, while ICANN was
>>> meeting, governments were exercising extreme control over their
>>> citizenry’s access to the Internet and cell phone service.
>>>
>>> What is absolutely clear is that ICANN should have venue criteria that
>>> are sensitive to these issues, and these are issues that should be
>>> raised in all ICANN venue selection discussions.
>>>
>>> What is also absolutely clear is that such issues should be raised and
>>> addressed prior to the selection of a venue. The subsequent ICANN event
>>> should not be used as a platform for raising country specific issues. I
>>> would go so far as to recommend that for countries with human rights
>>> issues, digital or otherwise, if and when ICANN reaches what it
>>> considers as a satisfactory arrangement, there is an understanding that
>>> during the event none of ICANN’s constituency groups will publicly, or
>>> in collaboration with local groups, engage in activities that challenge
>>> human rights record and policies of the local government.
>>>
>>> This is not because governments should not be challenged on their
>>> record, and it is not because local groups should not be supported. It
>>> is also not just because these issues should be sorted out prior to
>>> venue selection. It is because delegates to ICANN meetings are in a
>>> privileged position, and while public displays would probably not put
>>> delegates at risk, they would put local collaborators at risk,
>>> especially after ICANN has left the scene.
>>>
>>> Sam Lanfranco
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
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>>> email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco
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>>> in an unjust state" -Confucius
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>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
>>> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
>>> email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca   Skype: slanfranco
>>> blog:  https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Kris Seeburn
>> seeburn.k at gmail.com
>>
>>    - www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
--

Elsa Saade
Human Rights Officer
Gulf Center for Human Rights
Beirut, Lebanon
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