Requirements for information about speakers and participants for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
Marita Moll
mmoll at CA.INTER.NET
Sun Jul 2 08:05:55 EEST 2017
It's a good idea. Along with the human rights issues, which are deeply
troubling, the current diplomatic tensions in the area might also be a
cause for concern. Is there a way to move this idea forward?
Marita Moll
On 7/2/2017 7:44 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I am behind on this thread. Lots of women and folks with LGBTQ
> concerns don't want to go to Abu Dhabi. Has there been any thought of
> arranging a satellite conference for those who don't want to /can't
> fly to AD for safety, comfort, or visa reasons? I think we might get
> quite a few participants in such a satellite conference, and we could
> hold it somewhere safe and easy to get to, with really good
> conferencing facilities. Just a thought.
>
> Stephanie
>
>
> On 2017-06-29 08:25, Michael Karanicolas wrote:
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> I don't think anyone is trying to question your commitment to human
>> rights - I'm certainly not.
>>
>> I don't know your CV in detail, but I can tell you mine involves
>> coordinating human rights advocacy projects in Afghanistan,
>> Palestine, Jordan, Indonesia, Myanmar, Kazakhstan, Pakistan and the
>> Maldives, among other high pressure spots. I understand very well the
>> entitlement/privilege of which you speak, and I never forget that at
>> the end of the day, I get on a plane and fly out, while the local
>> activists are the ones who have to deal with the fallout of the work.
>> However, if we're talking about the people that are on the front
>> lines, we don't do them any favours by staying silent. Indeed, often
>> the best protection they have is international publicity. I've had
>> these conversations a lot with people in high risk areas, and I can't
>> recall ever being told to dial things back, except where that was
>> part of a broader advocacy strategy (like, to protect ongoing
>> backchannel discussions).
>>
>> That said, I'm not proposing arranging special sessions to discuss
>> the country's human rights record, since this seems quite tangential
>> to what we're supposed to be engaging on as part of the ICANN
>> process. But I also don't think we should commit to keeping silent on
>> this issue as individuals and, if the subject comes up, potentially
>> as a stakeholder group. Perhaps we don't disagree on that? In either
>> case, I would very much welcome inputs of colleagues that are in
>> country, or active across the region.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Sam Lanfranco <lanfran at yorku.ca
>> <mailto:lanfran at yorku.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> James,
>>
>> Let me make it clear. My position is based on the risk that in
>> most cases "in country ICANN constituency human rights
>> activities" during conferences will put national groups and
>> peoples at risk.
>> This is different, and separate from, more generic ICANN
>> discussions of the relationship between protecting human rights
>> and the security and stability of the DNS system (ICANN's remit).
>>
>> As someone individually who has championed human rights for over
>> half a century, been tear gassed and shot at, I am firmly in the
>> camp of human rights activists.
>> If the NCSG consensus position is to either treat such activities
>> as within ICANN's remit (some might challenge that), or if
>> delegates wish to arrange "rump sessions"
>> dealing with country specific human issues, I would press for
>> prior full consultation and endorsement by the local groups who
>> would be engaged in the events.
>> This would be more that just scheduling sessions and inviting
>> local groups to participate.
>>
>> My core concern is that ICANN constituency members should not use
>> their entitlement (temporary presence under the ICANN banner) to
>> put highly exposed local activists at risk.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> On 6/29/2017 6:40 AM, James Gannon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I
>>> would go so far as to recommend that for countries with human
>>> rights
>>> issues, digital or otherwise, if and when ICANN reaches what it
>>> considers as a satisfactory arrangement, there is an
>>> understanding that
>>> during the event none of ICANN’s constituency groups will
>>> publicly, or
>>> in collaboration with local groups, engage in activities that
>>> challenge
>>> human rights record and policies of the local government.
>>>
>>> Hey Sam,
>>>
>>> This would fly in the face of most if not the vast majority of
>>> NCUCs mission and outreach, these are the groups and peoples
>>> that we say we are here to engage with and support and advocate
>>> for.
>>>
>>>
>>> -James
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Sam
>>> Lanfranco <lanfran at YORKU.CA> <mailto:lanfran at YORKU.CA>
>>> *Sent:* 28 June 2017 23:13:35
>>> *To:* NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Requirements for information about speakers and
>>> participants for ICANN60 in Abu Dhabi
>>> Constituency Colleagues,
>>>
>>> The subject of human rights and, in particular, the rights of
>>> digital
>>> citizenship in countries hosting ICANN meetings, is both the
>>> elephant
>>> and the gorilla (the unspoken issues) in ICANN Conference venue
>>> discussions. Without going into specifics, in the past several
>>> years
>>> ICANN has held its conferences in countries where, while ICANN was
>>> meeting, governments were exercising extreme control over their
>>> citizenry’s access to the Internet and cell phone service.
>>>
>>> What is absolutely clear is that ICANN should have venue
>>> criteria that
>>> are sensitive to these issues, and these are issues that should be
>>> raised in all ICANN venue selection discussions.
>>>
>>> What is also absolutely clear is that such issues should be
>>> raised and
>>> addressed prior to the selection of a venue. The subsequent
>>> ICANN event
>>> should not be used as a platform for raising country specific
>>> issues. I
>>> would go so far as to recommend that for countries with human
>>> rights
>>> issues, digital or otherwise, if and when ICANN reaches what it
>>> considers as a satisfactory arrangement, there is an
>>> understanding that
>>> during the event none of ICANN’s constituency groups will
>>> publicly, or
>>> in collaboration with local groups, engage in activities that
>>> challenge
>>> human rights record and policies of the local government.
>>>
>>> This is not because governments should not be challenged on their
>>> record, and it is not because local groups should not be
>>> supported. It
>>> is also not just because these issues should be sorted out prior to
>>> venue selection. It is because delegates to ICANN meetings are in a
>>> privileged position, and while public displays would probably
>>> not put
>>> delegates at risk, they would put local collaborators at risk,
>>> especially after ICANN has left the scene.
>>>
>>> Sam Lanfranco
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> "It is a disgrace to be rich and honoured
>>> in an unjust state" -Confucius
>>> 邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
>>> ------------------------------------------------
>>> Dr Sam Lanfranco (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar)
>>> Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario, CANADA - M3J 1P3
>>> email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca <mailto:Lanfran at Yorku.ca> Skype: slanfranco
>>> blog: https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
>>> <https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com>
>>> Phone: +1 613-476-0429 <tel:+1%20613-476-0429> cell: +1
>>> 416-816-2852 <tel:+1%20416-816-2852>
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>>
>>
>> -- ------------------------------------------------ "It is a
>> disgrace to be rich and honoured in an unjust state" -Confucius
>> 邦有道，贫且贱焉，耻也。邦无道，富且贵焉，耻也
>> ------------------------------------------------ Dr Sam Lanfranco
>> (Prof Emeritus & Senior Scholar) Econ, York U., Toronto, Ontario,
>> CANADA - M3J 1P3 email: Lanfran at Yorku.ca
>> <mailto:Lanfran at Yorku.ca> Skype: slanfranco blog:
>> https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com
>> <https://samlanfranco.blogspot.com>Phone: +1 613-476-0429
>> <tel:+1%20613-476-0429> cell: +1 416-816-2852 <tel:+1%20416-816-2852>
>>
>>
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