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<p>It's a good idea. Along with the human rights issues, which are
deeply troubling, the current diplomatic tensions in the area
might also be a cause for concern. Is there a way to move this
idea forward? <br>
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Marita Moll</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/2/2017 7:44 AM, Stephanie Perrin
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am behind on this
thread. Lots of women and folks with LGBTQ concerns don't
want to go to Abu Dhabi. Has there been any thought of
arranging a satellite conference for those who don't want to
/can't fly to AD for safety, comfort, or visa reasons? I
think we might get quite a few participants in such a
satellite conference, and we could hold it somewhere safe
and easy to get to, with really good conferencing
facilities. Just a thought.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-06-29 08:25, Michael
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Sam,
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<div>I don't think anyone is trying to question your
commitment to human rights - I'm certainly not.</div>
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<div>I don't know your CV in detail, but I can tell you mine
involves coordinating human rights advocacy projects in
Afghanistan, Palestine, Jordan, Indonesia, Myanmar,
Kazakhstan, Pakistan and the Maldives, among other high
pressure spots. I understand very well the
entitlement/privilege of which you speak, and I never forget
that at the end of the day, I get on a plane and fly out,
while the local activists are the ones who have to deal with
the fallout of the work. However, if we're talking about the
people that are on the front lines, we don't do them any
favours by staying silent. Indeed, often the best protection
they have is international publicity. I've had these
conversations a lot with people in high risk areas, and I
can't recall ever being told to dial things back, except
where that was part of a broader advocacy strategy (like, to
protect ongoing backchannel discussions). </div>
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<div>That said, I'm not proposing arranging special sessions
to discuss the country's human rights record, since this
seems quite tangential to what we're supposed to be engaging
on as part of the ICANN process. But I also don't think we
should commit to keeping silent on this issue as individuals
and, if the subject comes up, potentially as a stakeholder
group. Perhaps we don't disagree on that? In either case, I
would very much welcome inputs of colleagues that are in
country, or active across the region.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Michael</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Sam
Lanfranco <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div class="m_-528063403635451259moz-cite-prefix">James,<br>
<br>
Let me make it clear. My position is based on the risk
that in most cases "in country ICANN constituency
human rights activities" during conferences will put
national groups and peoples at risk.<br>
This is different, and separate from, more generic
ICANN discussions of the relationship between
protecting human rights and the security and stability
of the DNS system (ICANN's remit). <br>
<br>
As someone individually who has championed human
rights for over half a century, been tear gassed and
shot at, I am firmly in the camp of human rights
activists.<br>
If the NCSG consensus position is to either treat such
activities as within ICANN's remit (some might
challenge that), or if delegates wish to arrange "rump
sessions" <br>
dealing with country specific human issues, I would
press for prior full consultation and endorsement by
the local groups who would be engaged in the events.<br>
This would be more that just scheduling sessions and
inviting local groups to participate. <br>
<br>
My core concern is that ICANN constituency members
should not use their entitlement (temporary presence
under the ICANN banner) to put highly exposed local
activists at risk. <br>
<br>
Sam <br>
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On 6/29/2017 6:40 AM, James Gannon wrote:<br>
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I <br>
would go so far as to recommend that for
countries with human rights <br>
issues, digital or otherwise, if and when
ICANN reaches what it <br>
considers as a satisfactory arrangement,
there is an understanding that <br>
during the event none of ICANN’s
constituency groups will publicly, or <br>
in collaboration with local groups, engage
in activities that challenge <br>
human rights record and policies of the
local government.</div>
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Hey Sam,
<p>This would fly in the face of most if not
the vast majority of NCUCs mission and
outreach, these are the groups and peoples
that we say we are here to engage with and
support and advocate for. </p>
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Colleagues,<br>
<br>
The subject of human rights and, in
particular, the rights of digital <br>
citizenship in countries hosting ICANN
meetings, is both the elephant <br>
and the gorilla (the unspoken issues) in
ICANN Conference venue <br>
discussions. Without going into specifics,
in the past several years <br>
ICANN has held its conferences in countries
where, while ICANN was <br>
meeting, governments were exercising extreme
control over their <br>
citizenry’s access to the Internet and cell
phone service.<br>
<br>
What is absolutely clear is that ICANN
should have venue criteria that <br>
are sensitive to these issues, and these are
issues that should be <br>
raised in all ICANN venue selection
discussions.<br>
<br>
What is also absolutely clear is that such
issues should be raised and <br>
addressed prior to the selection of a venue.
The subsequent ICANN event <br>
should not be used as a platform for raising
country specific issues. I <br>
would go so far as to recommend that for
countries with human rights <br>
issues, digital or otherwise, if and when
ICANN reaches what it <br>
considers as a satisfactory arrangement,
there is an understanding that <br>
during the event none of ICANN’s
constituency groups will publicly, or <br>
in collaboration with local groups, engage
in activities that challenge <br>
human rights record and policies of the
local government.<br>
<br>
This is not because governments should not
be challenged on their <br>
record, and it is not because local groups
should not be supported. It <br>
is also not just because these issues should
be sorted out prior to <br>
venue selection. It is because delegates to
ICANN meetings are in a <br>
privileged position, and while public
displays would probably not put <br>
delegates at risk, they would put local
collaborators at risk, <br>
especially after ICANN has left the scene.<br>
<br>
Sam Lanfranco<br>
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