Fwd: what happened to your blog post that admitted expanding the scope of TM claims was a POLICY matter??? It appears to be removed from the web.
Robin Gross
robin at IPJUSTICE.ORG
Wed Apr 10 13:08:46 EEST 2013
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Date: April 10, 2013 11:06:54 AM PDT
> To: Fadi Chehade <fadi.chehade at icann.org>
> Cc: Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>, James Bladel
> <jbladel at godaddy.com>, Jeff Eckhaus <eckhaus at demandmedia.com>,
> Antony Van Couvering <avc at tldh.org>, BretFausett Fausett
> <bret at internet.pro>, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>,
> BenAnderson Anderson <ben.anderson at groupnbt.com>, Chris Wright
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> <evan at telly.org>, Fred Felman <frederick.felman at markmonitor.com>,
> Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano at icann.org>, "Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us
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> <jwaldron at verisign.com>, Jon Nevett <jon at donuts.co>, Jonathan
> Robinson <jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com>, KathyKleiman
> <kathy at kathykleiman.com>, Kathryn Park <kathryn.park at ge.com>,
> Konstantine Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>, Martin Sutton
> <martinsutton at hsbc.com>, Matt Serlin <matt.serlin at markmonitor.com>,
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> Subject: what happened to your blog post that admitted expanding
> the scope of TM claims was a POLICY matter??? It appears to be
> removed from the web.
>
> Dear Fadi,
>
> What happened to your ICANN blog post where you had to change your
> characterization of our LA meeting to the following?:
>
>>>>> Scope of Trademark Claims. The inclusion of strings previously
>>>>> found to be abusively registered in the Clearinghouse for
>>>>> purposes of Trademark Claims can be considered a policy
>>>>> matter. This proposal provides a path for associating a
>>>>> limited number of additional domain names with a trademark
>>>>> record, on the basis of a decision rendered under the UDRP or a
>>>>> court proceeding. Given the previous intensive discussions on
>>>>> the scope of protections associated with a Clearinghouse
>>>>> record, involving the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance
>>>>> from the GNSO Council.
>>>>>
>
> It appears this blog post and key language is gone from the web
> now. Did staff subsequently decide to change its mind again and
> claim we said this was merely an implementation matter?
>
> Thanks,
> Robin
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Fadi Chehade wrote:
>
>> Colleagues,
>>
>> I will address this as soon as I return from the WCIT. Thanks
>> four your patience.
>>
>> BTW - Some of the issues addressed in this conference may have a
>> profound impact on the net as we know it. Let's hope for the best.
>>
>> Fadi
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:37 AM, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Karen, Fadi and all:
>>>
>>> I noticed that yesterday's update of staff's strawman solution
>>> still includes the proposal to expand the scope of trademark
>>> claims to so-called abused TMs+50, even though we were told in
>>> last Monday's call that that specific proposal was "deemed
>>> policy" and therefore outside the scope of what can be proposed
>>> without a proper policy process.
>>>
>>> We were told we would not be creating new policies with these
>>> discussions, but that is what this particular proposal is (and it
>>> even now is classified as "policy" on the web) so it does not
>>> belong in the strawman proposal.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is a coincidence or accident, but it seems the goal
>>> posts are shifting by staff and we deserve an explanation for how
>>> this policy could have been developed in this fashion and been
>>> included by staff in its strawman, given ICANN's stated
>>> commitment to following its own bottom-up policy development
>>> processes and given what we were told in the discussions.
>>>
>>> I've had a number of NCSG members ask for access to the
>>> transcripts / recordings of these policy discussions, so would
>>> also very much appreciate it if someone from staff would get back
>>> to me on that request. Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Robin Gross wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for correcting the ICANN blog, Karen. But the language
>>>> is still the same in the actual strawman proposal posted for
>>>> public comment (this proposal is still called "implementation"
>>>> rather than classified as "policy"), so that should be corrected
>>>> too, as it is ICANN's official announcement.
>>>>
>>>> But how did this particular proposal, which is policy, find it's
>>>> way into the 'strawman solution' which states it doesn't delve
>>>> into policy and that it doesn't contradict GNSO policy? That
>>>> seems to be a mistake in need of correcting quickly.
>>>>
>>>> I'm additionally concerned that this strawman and ICANN's
>>>> announcement give the impression that the strawman was some kind
>>>> of negotiated consensus from the community. The strawman should
>>>> clarify that it is a series of executive decisions made by ICANN
>>>> staff. It really isn't fair to characterize this proposal as
>>>> coming from meeting participants. It is a staff proposal and
>>>> should be honestly labeled as such.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Karen Lentz <karen.lentz at icann.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems the language in the blog posting may have been
>>>>> confusing, and we apologize for this. The intention was to
>>>>> indicate that the involvement of the GNSO is appropriate due to
>>>>> the policy considerations. The blog post has been updated as
>>>>> below with a note of clarification to address the ambiguity in
>>>>> the reference to this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scope of Trademark Claims. The inclusion of strings previously
>>>>> found to be abusively registered in the Clearinghouse for
>>>>> purposes of Trademark Claims can be considered a policy
>>>>> matter. This proposal provides a path for associating a
>>>>> limited number of additional domain names with a trademark
>>>>> record, on the basis of a decision rendered under the UDRP or a
>>>>> court proceeding. Given the previous intensive discussions on
>>>>> the scope of protections associated with a Clearinghouse
>>>>> record, involving the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance
>>>>> from the GNSO Council.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote in the original version of this blog post: “the
>>>>> inclusion of strings previously found to be abusively
>>>>> registered in the Clearinghouse for purposes of Trademark
>>>>> Claims can be considered implementation, as it provides a path
>>>>> for associating a limited number of additional domain names
>>>>> with a trademark record. This is consistent with the policy
>>>>> advice that trademark rights should be protected, and, given
>>>>> that the inclusion of such names would be only on the basis of
>>>>> a decision rendered under the UDRP or a court proceeding, the
>>>>> process would merely take into account names for which the
>>>>> issues have already been balanced and considered. However,
>>>>> given the previous intensive discussions on the scope of
>>>>> protections associated with a Clearinghouse record, involving
>>>>> the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance from the GNSO
>>>>> Council.” This language appeared to create ambiguity as to the
>>>>> nature of the analysis, and has been updated as above.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Lentz
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike at haven2.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:00 PM
>>>>> To: James M. Bladel
>>>>> Cc: Jeff Eckhaus; Antony Van Couvering; Karen Lentz; Robin
>>>>> Gross; Fadi Chehade; Marilyn Cade; Bret Fausett; Alan
>>>>> Greenberg; Ben Anderson; Bryce Coughlin; Chris Wright; Elisa
>>>>> Cooper; evan at telly.org; Fabricio Vayra; Fred Felman; Gerald
>>>>> Depardo; Gustavo Lozano; J. Scott Evans;
>>>>> Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us; Jim Waldron; joris.goiris at be.ibm.com;
>>>>> Jon Nevett; Jonathan Robinson; Kathy Kleinman; Kathy Kleiman;
>>>>> Kathryn Park; Konstantine Komaitis; Kristina Rosette; Martin
>>>>> Sutton; Matt Serlin; SARAH.B.DEUTSCH at verizon.com; Susan K;
>>>>> Steve Metalitz; Steve Delbianco; Tony Holmes;
>>>>> vfolens at deloitte.com; harris at cabase.org.ar; Wendy Seltzer;
>>>>> wim_fabri at be.ibm.com; johudson at deloitte.com;
>>>>> elainepruis at gmail.com; jgould at verisign.com; Francisco Arias;
>>>>> Akram Atallah; Christine Willett; Margie Milam; John Jeffrey;
>>>>> David Olive
>>>>> Subject: Re: follow up/and scheduling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i was a little surprised to see this on in the "implementation"
>>>>> pile as well. here are my notes from that section of the
>>>>> call. sorry they're so sketchy. the call was not recorded
>>>>> (which i think we should change in the future but that's above
>>>>> my pay grade).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scope of TM claims
>>>>>
>>>>> conflicts with STI
>>>>> "identical match" question
>>>>> expands the scope beyond what is recommended by STI
>>>>> +- "timeline visibility" from ICANN may help with that
>>>>>
>>>>> reduced prices for typos - like .NU
>>>>> +- proposes limit of 50
>>>>> not found in STI discussion
>>>>> +- things that have been known to be abusively registrered
>>>>> UDRP, court record, NOT URS
>>>>> GNSO Council to give advice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, "James M. Bladel"
>>>>> <jbladel at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I share the concerns raised by Jeff, Robin and others, and
>>>>> believe there would be value in seeing how Fadi / Staff arrived
>>>>> at this determination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks--
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: Re: follow up/and scheduling
>>>>> From: Jeff Eckhaus <eckhaus at demandmedia.com>
>>>>> Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 3:47 pm
>>>>> To: Antony Van Couvering <avc at tldh.org>, Karen Lentz
>>>>> <karen.lentz at icann.org>
>>>>> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, Fadi Chehade
>>>>> <fadi.chehade at icann.org>, Marilyn Cade
>>>>> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>, Bret
>>>>> Fausett <bret at internet.pro>, Alan Greenberg
>>>>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>,
>>>>> Ben Anderson <ben.anderson at groupnbt.com>, Bryce Coughlin
>>>>> <bryce.coughlin at fox.com>, Chris Wright
>>>>> <chris at ausregistry.com.au>, Elisa
>>>>> Cooper <elisa.cooper at markmonitor.com>, "evan at telly.org"
>>>>> <evan at telly.org>, Fabricio Vayra
>>>>> <fabricio.vayra at timewarner.com>, Fred
>>>>> Felman <frederick.felman at markmonitor.com>, Gerald Depardo
>>>>> <gdepardo at travelers.com>, Gustavo Lozano
>>>>> <gustavo.lozano at icann.org>, "J.
>>>>> Scott Evans" <jscottevans at yahoo.com>, James Bladel
>>>>> <jbladel at godaddy.com>, "Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us"
>>>>> <jeff.neuman at neustar.us>, Jim Waldron <jwaldron at verisign.com>,
>>>>> "joris.goiris at be.ibm.com" <joris.goiris at be.ibm.com>, Jon Nevett
>>>>> <jon at donuts.co>, Jonathan Robinson
>>>>> <jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com>,
>>>>> Kathy Kleinman <kleiman at fhhlaw.com>, Kathy Kleiman
>>>>> <kathy at kathykleiman.com>, Kathryn Park <kathryn.park at ge.com>,
>>>>> Konstantine Komaitis <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>, Kristina Rosette
>>>>> <krosette at cov.com>, Martin Sutton <martinsutton at hsbc.com>, Matt
>>>>> Serlin
>>>>> <matt.serlin at markmonitor.com>, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>,
>>>>> "SARAH.B.DEUTSCH at verizon.com" <sarah.b.deutsch at verizon.com>,
>>>>> Susan K
>>>>> <susank at fb.com>, Steve Metalitz <met at msk.com>, Steve Delbianco
>>>>> <sdelbianco at netchoice.org>, Tony Holmes
>>>>> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>,
>>>>> "vfolens at deloitte.com" <vfolens at deloitte.com>,
>>>>> "harris at cabase.org.ar"
>>>>> <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>,
>>>>> "wim_fabri at be.ibm.com" <wim_fabri at be.ibm.com>,
>>>>> "johudson at deloitte.com"
>>>>> <johudson at deloitte.com>, "elainepruis at gmail.com"
>>>>> <elainepruis at gmail.com>, "jgould at verisign.com"
>>>>> <jgould at verisign.com>,
>>>>> Francisco Arias <francisco.arias at icann.org>, Akram Atallah
>>>>> <akram.atallah at icann.org>, Christine Willett
>>>>> <christine.willett at icann.org>, Margie Milam
>>>>> <Margie.Milam at icann.org>,
>>>>> John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org>, David Olive
>>>>> <david.olive at icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A follow-up to Robin's and Antony's message on this topic and
>>>>> maybe the same question. You stated that you believed that
>>>>> this third term was consistent with the policy and thus
>>>>> considered implementation. I still would like to see the
>>>>> rationale behind the decision that this is considered the
>>>>> policy, and really what policy is this consistent with? It is
>>>>> very unclear and I think that a document that explains the
>>>>> policy and the thought process behind it would be very helpful.
>>>>> Also maybe if you could tie it into the slide that Margie put
>>>>> up on the screen on what is considered policy , that would be a
>>>>> big help
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Antony Van Couvering <avc at tldh.org>
>>>>> To: Karen Lentz <karen.lentz at icann.org>
>>>>> Cc: Robin Gross <robin at IPJUSTICE.ORG>, Fadi Chehade
>>>>> <fadi.chehade at icann.org>, Jeffrey Eckhaus
>>>>> <eckhaus at demandmedia.com>, Marilyn Cade
>>>>> <marilynscade at hotmail.com>, Bret Fausett <bret at internet.pro>,
>>>>> Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, Ben Anderson
>>>>> <ben.anderson at groupnbt.com>, Bryce Coughlin
>>>>> <bryce.coughlin at fox.com>, Chris Wright
>>>>> <chris at ausregistry.com.au>, Elisa Cooper
>>>>> <elisa.cooper at markmonitor.com>, "evan at telly.org"
>>>>> <evan at telly.org>, Fabricio Vayra
>>>>> <fabricio.vayra at timewarner.com>, Fred Felman
>>>>> <frederick.felman at markmonitor.com>, Gerald Depardo
>>>>> <gdepardo at travelers.com>, Gustavo Lozano
>>>>> <gustavo.lozano at icann.org>, "J. Scott Evans"
>>>>> <jscottevans at yahoo.com>, James Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>,
>>>>> Jeff Neuman <Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us>, "'Waldron, Joe'"
>>>>> <jwaldron at verisign.com>, "joris.goiris at be.ibm.com"
>>>>> <joris.goiris at be.ibm.com>, Jon Nevett <jon at donuts.co>, Jonathan
>>>>> Robinson <jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com>, Kathy Kleinman
>>>>> <kleiman at fhhlaw.com>, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at KathyKleiman.com>,
>>>>> Kathryn Park <kathryn.park at ge.com>, Konstantine Komaitis
>>>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>, Kristina Rosette <krosette at cov.com>,
>>>>> Martin Sutton <martinsutton at hsbc.com>, Matt Serlin
>>>>> <matt.serlin at markmonitor.com>, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>,
>>>>> "SARAH.B.DEUTSCH at verizon.com" <sarah.b.deutsch at verizon.com>,
>>>>> Susan K <susank at fb.com>, Steve Metalitz <met at msk.com>, Steve
>>>>> Delbianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org>, Tony Holmes
>>>>> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "vfolens at deloitte.com"
>>>>> <vfolens at deloitte.com>, "harris at cabase.org.ar"
>>>>> <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>,
>>>>> "wim_fabri at be.ibm.com" <wim_fabri at be.ibm.com>,
>>>>> "johudson at deloitte.com" <johudson at deloitte.com>,
>>>>> "elainepruis at gmail.com" <elainepruis at gmail.com>,
>>>>> "jgould at verisign.com" <jgould at verisign.com>, Francisco Arias
>>>>> <francisco.arias at icann.org>, Akram Atallah
>>>>> <akram.atallah at icann.org>, Christine Willett
>>>>> <christine.willett at icann.org>, Margie Milam
>>>>> <Margie.Milam at icann.org>, John Jeffrey
>>>>> <john.jeffrey at icann.org>, David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: follow up/and scheduling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the clarification. I had a question very similar to
>>>>> Robin's, so I'm glad she asked it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly anything that treats of protecting intellectual
>>>>> property rights is "consistent" with existing policy, and hence
>>>>> from one perspective almost any measure, no matter how extreme,
>>>>> could be considered implementation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have hoped, however, that had progressed beyond such
>>>>> niceties. Fadi very clearly said during our meeting that he
>>>>> was "not comfortable" calling this an implementation detail and
>>>>> that it was "clearly" a policy matter, and so Robin was not the
>>>>> only one to have been startled to find the opposite emphasis in
>>>>> the blog post. Unfortunately these ambiguities tend the fray
>>>>> the trust that Fadi has worked so hard to build.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On another note, I see that the comment forum is up at the link
>>>>> you provided, but there is no link to the proposal itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Karen Lentz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your message. If I can offer some
>>>>> clarification: on Monday’s call we discussed this third item
>>>>> (inclusion of strings previously found to have been abusively
>>>>> registered or used) as something that is consistent with the
>>>>> policy and could be considered implementation. However, given
>>>>> the work of the STI and the number of discussions held on this
>>>>> in the past, we were not comfortable proceeding without the
>>>>> guidance of the GNSO council. This is also what is stated in
>>>>> the blog, so there is no change from the position on the call.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, FYI, as discussed on Monday, the strawman is posted for
>>>>> public comment, and can be found here: http://www.icann.org/en/
>>>>> news/public-comment/tmch-strawman-30nov12-en.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Lentz
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:59 AM
>>>>> To: Fadi Chehade
>>>>> Cc: Jeff Eckhaus; Marilyn Cade; Bret Fausett;
>>>>> avc at mindsandmachines.com; Alan Greenberg; Ben Anderson; Bryce
>>>>> Coughlin; Chris Wright; Elisa Cooper; evan at telly.org; Fabricio
>>>>> Vayra; Fred Felman; Gerald Depardo; Gustavo Lozano; J. Scott
>>>>> Evans; James Bladel; Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us; Jim Waldron;
>>>>> joris.goiris at be.ibm.com; Jon Nevett; Jonathan Robinson; Kathy
>>>>> Kleinman; Kathy Kleiman; Kathryn Park; Konstantine Komaitis;
>>>>> Kristina Rosette; Martin Sutton; Matt Serlin; Mike O'Connor;
>>>>> SARAH.B.DEUTSCH at verizon.com; Susan K; Steve Metalitz; Steve
>>>>> Delbianco; Tony Holmes;
>>>>> vfolens at deloitte.com;harris at cabase.org.ar; Wendy Seltzer;
>>>>> wim_fabri at be.ibm.com; johudson at deloitte.com;
>>>>> elainepruis at gmail.com; jgould at verisign.com; Karen Lentz;
>>>>> Francisco Arias; Akram Atallah; Christine Willett; Margie
>>>>> Milam; John Jeffrey; David Olive
>>>>> Subject: Re: follow up/and scheduling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Fadi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the update. However, I'm confused about
>>>>> something the blog report of the meeting states because it
>>>>> differs from my understanding of Monday's conversation on the
>>>>> issue, so I was hoping you could clarify the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you had said on Monday's call that the proposal to
>>>>> expand the scope of trademark claims to so-called abused TM's
>>>>> +50 was "deemed policy" by staff, a position with which many of
>>>>> us agree.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However in this week's blog report about the meeting, it states
>>>>> under the Scope of Trademark Claims issue that expanding claims
>>>>> to so-called abused TMs+50 "can be considered
>>>>> implementation..." - an interpretation with significantly
>>>>> different ramifications.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Has staff shifted its view from Monday's call on this issue and
>>>>> no longer considers expanding the scope of TM claims to be a
>>>>> policy matter, but is now deemed to be an implementation issue
>>>>> instead? I think a number of us on the call would have
>>>>> objected at that time had we been told staff was going to deem
>>>>> this particular proposal as implementation (as opposed to
>>>>> policy) because the creation of this new policy out of whole
>>>>> cloth presents serious impacts to many stakeholders and
>>>>> requires a legitimate policy development process to sort
>>>>> through them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please clarify staff's apparent re-classification of
>>>>> this proposal as implementation since Monday's call, as that
>>>>> classification bears significant ramifications?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Fadi Chehade wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With regret, we are not ready to have a call tomorrow. Our
>>>>> contract negotiations are ongoing and we are likely to need
>>>>> another week to finalize with IBM. My sincere apologies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cassia- please setup our last informational call for this group
>>>>> at 8am on Tuesday December 11.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance to all of you and apologies for the delay.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Fadi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Jeff Eckhaus"
>>>>> <eckhaus at demandmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree a call may be difficult , but hope that one of the
>>>>> agreed upon asks I had from the call could be followed up via
>>>>> email. I had asked and Fadi agreed to send the rationale and
>>>>> the supporting documentation that led to the ICANN decision
>>>>> that the mandatory Claims 2, is an implementation decision and
>>>>> not a policy decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: Bret Fausett <bret at internet.pro>, Fadi Chehade
>>>>> <fadi.chehade at icann.org>, Antony Van Couvering
>>>>> <avc at mindsandmachines.com>, Alan Greenberg
>>>>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, Ben Anderson
>>>>> <ben.anderson at groupnbt.com>, Bryce Coughlin
>>>>> <bryce.coughlin at fox.com>, Chris Wright
>>>>> <chris at ausregistry.com.au>, Elisa Cooper
>>>>> <elisa.cooper at markmonitor.com>, "evan at telly.org"
>>>>> <evan at telly.org>, Fabricio Vayra
>>>>> <fabricio.vayra at timewarner.com>, Fred Felman
>>>>> <frederick.felman at markmonitor.com>, Gerald Depardo
>>>>> <gdepardo at travelers.com>, "gustavo.lozano at icann.org"
>>>>> <gustavo.lozano at icann.org>, "J. Scott Evans"
>>>>> <jscottevans at yahoo.com>, James Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>,
>>>>> Jeffrey Eckhaus <eckhaus at demandmedia.com>, Jeff Neuman
>>>>> <Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us>, "'Waldron, Joe'"
>>>>> <jwaldron at verisign.com>, "joris.goiris at be.ibm.com"
>>>>> <joris.goiris at be.ibm.com>, Jon Nevett <jon at donuts.co>, Jonathan
>>>>> Robinson <jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com>, Kathy Kleinman
>>>>> <kleiman at fhhlaw.com>, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at KathyKleiman.com>,
>>>>> Kathryn Park <kathryn.park at ge.com>, Konstantine Komaitis
>>>>> <k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk>, Kristina Rosette <krosette at cov.com>,
>>>>> Martin Sutton <martinsutton at hsbc.com>, Matt Serlin
>>>>> <matt.serlin at markmonitor.com>, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com>,
>>>>> Robin Gross <robin at IPJUSTICE.ORG>,
>>>>> "SARAH.B.DEUTSCH at verizon.com" <sarah.b.deutsch at verizon.com>,
>>>>> Susan K <susank at fb.com>, Steve Metalitz <met at msk.com>, Steve
>>>>> Delbianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org>, Tony Holmes
>>>>> <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, "vfolens at deloitte.com"
>>>>> <vfolens at deloitte.com>, "harris at cabase.org.ar"
>>>>> <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Wendy Seltzer <wendy at seltzer.com>,
>>>>> "wim_fabri at be.ibm.com" <wim_fabri at be.ibm.com>,
>>>>> "johudson at deloitte.com" <johudson at deloitte.com>,
>>>>> "elainepruis at gmail.com" <elainepruis at gmail.com>,
>>>>> "jgould at verisign.com" <jgould at verisign.com>
>>>>> Cc: Karen Lentz <karen.lentz at icann.org>, Francisco Arias
>>>>> <francisco.arias at icann.org>, Akram Atallah
>>>>> <akram.atallah at icann.org>, Christine Willett
>>>>> <christine.willett at icann.org>, Margie Milam
>>>>> <Margie.Milam at icann.org>, John Jeffrey
>>>>> <john.jeffrey at icann.org>, David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>>>>> Subject: follow up/and scheduling
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Status request:
>>>>>
>>>>> At this point, as I am traveling to Dubai for ITU WCIT, my
>>>>> Friday is extremely limited in availability. I can only do a
>>>>> call from 1-3 p.m due to travel and previous commitments, but
>>>>>
>>>>> of more importance is that short notice prevents all of us to
>>>>> plan. But that is only an illustration of how hard it is to
>>>>> schedule on short notice. I suspect/expect others are more
>>>>> limited than I am!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A call next week will fall while I am in Dubai, and I see at
>>>>> least one other person from this group also there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can we have a few days notice, and some time slots, so that all
>>>>> of us can plan accordingly to ensure that we can participate?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marilyn Cade
>>>>>
>>>>> From: bret at internet.pro
>>>>> To: fadi.chehade at icann.org; avc at mindsandmachines.com;
>>>>> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca; Ben.Anderson at GroupNBT.com;
>>>>> Bryce.Coughlin at fox.com;chris at ausregistry.com.au;
>>>>> elisa.cooper at markmonitor.com; evan at telly.org;
>>>>> Fabricio.Vayra at timewarner.com;
>>>>> frederick.felman at markmonitor.com;gdepardo at travelers.com;
>>>>> gustavo.lozano at icann.org; jscottevans at yahoo.com;
>>>>> jbladel at godaddy.com; eckhaus at demandmedia.com;
>>>>> Jeff.Neuman at neustar.us;jwaldron at verisign.com;
>>>>> joris.goiris at be.ibm.com; jon at donuts.co;
>>>>> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com; kleiman at fhhlaw.com;
>>>>> Kathy at KathyKleiman.com;Kathryn.Park at ge.com;
>>>>> k.komaitis at strath.ac.uk; krosette at cov.com;
>>>>> marilynscade at hotmail.com; martinsutton at hsbc.com;
>>>>> matt.serlin at markmonitor.com;mike at haven2.com;
>>>>> robin at ipjustice.org; sarah.b.deutsch at verizon.com;
>>>>> susank at fb.com; met at msk.com; sdelbianco at netchoice.org;
>>>>> tonyarholmes at btinternet.com;vfolens at deloitte.com;
>>>>> harris at cabase.org.ar; wendy at seltzer.com; wim_fabri at be.ibm.com;
>>>>> johudson at deloitte.com; elainepruis at gmail.com; JGould at verisign.com
>>>>> CC: karen.lentz at icann.org; francisco.arias at icann.org;
>>>>> akram.atallah at icann.org; christine.willett at icann.org;
>>>>> Margie.Milam at icann.org;
>>>>> john.jeffrey at icann.org;david.olive at icann.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:36:34 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: Monday Informational Call
>>>>>
>>>>> Just following up on this. If I recall correctly, we were
>>>>> looking at a follow-up call tomorrow (Friday, Nov. 30th)? Just
>>>>> want to make sure I didn't miss something. Please let me know
>>>>> if plans have changed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bret
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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