<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>From: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Date: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">April 10, 2013 11:06:54 AM PDT</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>To: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Fadi Chehade <<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Cc: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>>, James Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, Jeff Eckhaus <<a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com">eckhaus@demandmedia.com</a>>, Antony Van Couvering <<a href="mailto:avc@tldh.org">avc@tldh.org</a>>, BretFausett Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro">bret@internet.pro</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, BenAnderson Anderson <<a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com">ben.anderson@groupnbt.com</a>>, Chris Wright <<a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au">chris@ausregistry.com.au</a>>, ElisaCooper Cooper <<a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com">elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a> Leibovitch" <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>>, Fred Felman <<a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com">frederick.felman@markmonitor.com</a>>, Gustavo Lozano <<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a> Neuman" <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.us">jeff.neuman@neustar.us</a>>, Jim Waldron <<a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com">jwaldron@verisign.com</a>>, Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co">jon@donuts.co</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>>, KathyKleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>, Kathryn Park <<a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com">kathryn.park@ge.com</a>>, Konstantine Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com">martinsutton@hsbc.com</a>>, Matt Serlin <<a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com">matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>>, Wendy Seltzer <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" color="#000000" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica; color: #000000"><b>Subject: </b></font><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>what happened to your blog post that admitted expanding the scope of TM claims was a POLICY matter???<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It appears to be removed from the web.</b></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div> Dear Fadi,<div><br></div><div>What happened to your ICANN <a href="http://blog.icann.org/2012/11/a-follow-up-to-our-trademark-clearinghouse-meetings/">blog post</a> where you had to change your characterization of our LA meeting to the following?:</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Scope of Trademark Claims</span></u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">. The inclusion of strings previously found to be abusively registered in the Clearinghouse for purposes of Trademark Claims can be considered a policy matter. This proposal provides a path for associating a limited number of additional domain names with a trademark record, on the basis of a decision rendered under the UDRP or a court proceeding. Given the previous intensive discussions on the scope of protections associated with a Clearinghouse record, involving the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance from the GNSO Council.</span></p></div></div></blockquote></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It appears this blog post and key language is gone from the web now. Did staff subsequently decide to change its mind again and claim we said this was merely an implementation matter? </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Dec 4, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Fadi Chehade wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Colleagues,</div><div><br></div><div>I will address this as soon as I return from the WCIT. Thanks four your patience.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW - Some of the issues addressed in this conference may have a profound impact on the net as we know it. Let's hope for the best.</div><div><br></div><div>Fadi<br><br>On Dec 5, 2012, at 1:37 AM, "Robin Gross" <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div> Dear Karen, Fadi and all:<div><br></div><div>I noticed that yesterday's update of staff's strawman solution still includes the proposal to expand the scope of trademark claims to so-called abused TMs+50, even though we were told in last Monday's call that that specific proposal was "deemed policy" and therefore outside the scope of what can be proposed without a proper policy process. </div><div><br></div><div>We were told we would not be creating new policies with these discussions, but that is what this particular proposal is (and it even now is classified as "policy" on the web) so it does not belong in the strawman proposal. </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps it is a coincidence or accident, but it seems the goal posts are shifting by staff and we deserve an explanation for how this policy could have been developed in this fashion and been included by staff in its strawman, given ICANN's stated commitment to following its own bottom-up policy development processes and given what we were told in the discussions.</div><div><br></div><div>I've had a number of NCSG members ask for access to the transcripts / recordings of these policy discussions, so would also very much appreciate it if someone from staff would get back to me on that request. Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div>Robin</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Robin Gross wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Thanks for correcting the ICANN blog, Karen. But the language is still the same in the actual strawman proposal posted for public comment (this proposal is still called "implementation" rather than classified as "policy"), so that should be corrected too, as it is ICANN's official announcement.</div><div><br></div><div>But how did this particular proposal, which is policy, find it's way into the 'strawman solution' which states it doesn't delve into policy and that it doesn't contradict GNSO policy? That seems to be a mistake in need of correcting quickly.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm additionally concerned that this strawman and ICANN's announcement give the impression that the strawman was some kind of negotiated consensus from the community. The strawman should clarify that it is a series of executive decisions made by ICANN staff. It really isn't fair to characterize this proposal as coming from meeting participants. It is a staff proposal and should be honestly labeled as such.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Robin<br><br>On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Karen Lentz <<a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It seems the language in the blog posting may have been confusing, and we apologize for this. The intention was to indicate that the involvement of the GNSO is appropriate due to the policy considerations. The blog post has been updated as below with a note of clarification to address the ambiguity in the reference to this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Scope of Trademark Claims</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">. The inclusion of strings previously found to be abusively registered in the Clearinghouse for purposes of Trademark Claims can be considered a policy matter. This proposal provides a path for associating a limited number of additional domain names with a trademark record, on the basis of a decision rendered under the UDRP or a court proceeding. Given the previous intensive discussions on the scope of protections associated with a Clearinghouse record, involving the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance from the GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wrote in the original version of this blog post: “the inclusion of strings previously found to be abusively registered in the Clearinghouse for purposes of Trademark Claims can be considered implementation, as it provides a path for associating a limited number of additional domain names with a trademark record. This is consistent with the policy advice that trademark rights should be protected, and, given that the inclusion of such names would be only on the basis of a decision rendered under the UDRP or a court proceeding, the process would merely take into account names for which the issues have already been balanced and considered. However, given the previous intensive discussions on the scope of protections associated with a Clearinghouse record, involving the IRT/STI, we believe this needs guidance from the GNSO Council.” This language appeared to create ambiguity as to the nature of the analysis, and has been updated as above.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Karen Lentz<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mike O'Connor [<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mailto:mike@haven2.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 30, 2012 2:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> James M. Bladel<br><b>Cc:</b> Jeff Eckhaus; Antony Van Couvering; Karen Lentz; Robin Gross; Fadi Chehade; Marilyn Cade; Bret Fausett; Alan Greenberg; Ben Anderson; Bryce Coughlin; Chris Wright; Elisa Cooper; <a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>; Fabricio Vayra; Fred Felman; Gerald Depardo; Gustavo Lozano; J. Scott Evans; <a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>; Jim Waldron; <a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>; Jon Nevett; Jonathan Robinson; Kathy Kleinman; Kathy Kleiman; Kathryn Park; Konstantine Komaitis; Kristina Rosette; Martin Sutton; Matt Serlin; <a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com">SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com</a>; Susan K; Steve Metalitz; Steve Delbianco; Tony Holmes; <a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>; <a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>; Wendy Seltzer; <a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>; <a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>; <a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>; Francisco Arias; Akram Atallah; Christine Willett; Margie Milam; John Jeffrey; David Olive<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: follow up/and scheduling<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">i was a little surprised to see this on in the "implementation" pile as well. here are my notes from that section of the call. sorry they're so sketchy. the call was not recorded (which i think we should change in the future but that's above my pay grade).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p>Scope of TM claims<o:p></o:p></p><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">conflicts with STI<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">"identical match" question<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">expands the scope beyond what is recommended by STI<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="foldclosed">+</span><span class="foldopened">-</span> "timeline visibility" from ICANN may help with that<o:p></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"> <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">reduced prices for typos - like .NU<o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span class="foldclosed">+</span><span class="foldopened">-</span> proposes limit of 50<o:p></o:p></li></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">not found in STI discussion<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span class="foldclosed">+</span><span class="foldopened">-</span> things that have been known to be abusively registrered<o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1">UDRP, court record, NOT URS<o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">GNSO Council to give advice <o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 30, 2012, at 3:56 PM, "James M. Bladel" <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"></a><a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I share the concerns raised by Jeff, Robin and others, and believe there would be value in seeing how Fadi / Staff arrived at this determination.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>Thanks--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>J.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="replyBlockquote"><div id="wmQuoteWrapper"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: follow up/and scheduling<br>From: Jeff Eckhaus <<a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com"></a><a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com">eckhaus@demandmedia.com</a>><br>Date: Fri, November 30, 2012 3:47 pm<br>To: Antony Van Couvering <<a href="mailto:avc@tldh.org"></a><a href="mailto:avc@tldh.org">avc@tldh.org</a>>, Karen Lentz<br><<a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>><br>Cc: Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org"></a><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>, Fadi Chehade<br><<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>>, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>, Bret<br>Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro"></a><a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro">bret@internet.pro</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"></a><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>,<br>Ben Anderson <<a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com"></a><a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com">ben.anderson@groupnbt.com</a>>, Bryce Coughlin<br><<a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com"></a><a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com">bryce.coughlin@fox.com</a>>, Chris Wright <<a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au"></a><a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au">chris@ausregistry.com.au</a>>, Elisa<br>Cooper <<a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com"></a><a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com">elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>"<br><<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>>, Fabricio Vayra <<a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com"></a><a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com">fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com</a>>, Fred<br>Felman <<a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com"></a><a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com">frederick.felman@markmonitor.com</a>>, Gerald Depardo<br><<a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com"></a><a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com">gdepardo@travelers.com</a>>, Gustavo Lozano <<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>>, "J.<br>Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com"></a><a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>, James Bladel<br><<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"></a><a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us"></a><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>"<br><<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.us"></a><a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@neustar.us">jeff.neuman@neustar.us</a>>, Jim Waldron <<a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com"></a><a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com">jwaldron@verisign.com</a>>,<br>"<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>>, Jon Nevett<br><<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co"></a><a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co">jon@donuts.co</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>>,<br>Kathy Kleinman <<a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com"></a><a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com">kleiman@fhhlaw.com</a>>, Kathy Kleiman<br><<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"></a><a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>, Kathryn Park <<a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com"></a><a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com">kathryn.park@ge.com</a>>,<br>Konstantine Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk"></a><a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>, Kristina Rosette<br><<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com"></a><a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a>>, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com"></a><a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com">martinsutton@hsbc.com</a>>, Matt Serlin<br><<a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com"></a><a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com">matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>>, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com"></a><a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>>,<br>"<a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com"></a><a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com">SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com"></a><a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>>, Susan K<br><<a href="mailto:susank@fb.com"></a><a href="mailto:susank@fb.com">susank@fb.com</a>>, Steve Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com"></a><a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>, Steve Delbianco<br><<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org"></a><a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, Tony Holmes <<a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com"></a><a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>,<br>"<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>"<br><<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>>, Wendy Seltzer <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com"></a><a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a>>,<br>"<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>"<br><<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>"<br><<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>>,<br>Francisco Arias <<a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>>, Akram Atallah<br><<a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org">akram.atallah@icann.org</a>>, Christine Willett<br><<a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org">christine.willett@icann.org</a>>, Margie Milam <<a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>>,<br>John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>>, David Olive<br><<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org"></a><a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org">david.olive@icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">A follow-up to Robin's and Antony's message on this topic and maybe the same question. You stated that you believed that this third term was consistent with <u>the policy </u>and thus considered implementation. I still would like to see the rationale behind the decision that this is considered the policy, and really what policy is this consistent with? It is very unclear and I think that a document that explains the policy and the thought process behind it would be very helpful. Also maybe if you could tie it into the slide that Margie put up on the screen on what is considered policy , that would be a big help<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Antony Van Couvering <<a href="mailto:avc@tldh.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:avc@tldh.org">avc@tldh.org</a>><br><b>To: </b>Karen Lentz <<a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>>, Fadi Chehade <<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>>, Jeffrey Eckhaus <<a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com">eckhaus@demandmedia.com</a>>, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>, Bret Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro">bret@internet.pro</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, Ben Anderson <<a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com">ben.anderson@groupnbt.com</a>>, Bryce Coughlin <<a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com">bryce.coughlin@fox.com</a>>, Chris Wright <<a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au">chris@ausregistry.com.au</a>>, Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com">elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>>, Fabricio Vayra <<a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com">fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com</a>>, Fred Felman <<a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com">frederick.felman@markmonitor.com</a>>, Gerald Depardo <<a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com">gdepardo@travelers.com</a>>, Gustavo Lozano <<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>>, "J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>, James Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>>, "'Waldron, Joe'" <<a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com">jwaldron@verisign.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>>, Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co">jon@donuts.co</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>>, Kathy Kleinman <<a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com">kleiman@fhhlaw.com</a>>, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@KathyKleiman.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Kathy@KathyKleiman.com">Kathy@KathyKleiman.com</a>>, Kathryn Park <<a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com">kathryn.park@ge.com</a>>, Konstantine Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>, Kristina Rosette <<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a>>, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com">martinsutton@hsbc.com</a>>, Matt Serlin <<a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com">matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>>, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com">SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>>, Susan K <<a href="mailto:susank@fb.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:susank@fb.com">susank@fb.com</a>>, Steve Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>, Steve Delbianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, Tony Holmes <<a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>" <<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>>, Wendy Seltzer <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>>, Francisco Arias <<a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>>, Akram Atallah <<a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org">akram.atallah@icann.org</a>>, Christine Willett <<a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org">christine.willett@icann.org</a>>, Margie Milam <<a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>>, John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>>, David Olive <<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org">david.olive@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: follow up/and scheduling<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Hi Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Thanks for the clarification. I had a question very similar to Robin's, so I'm glad she asked it.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Clearly anything that treats of protecting intellectual property rights is "consistent" with existing policy, and hence from one perspective almost any measure, no matter how extreme, could be considered implementation. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I would have hoped, however, that had progressed beyond such niceties. Fadi very clearly said during our meeting that he was "not comfortable" calling this an implementation detail and that it was "clearly" a policy matter, and so Robin was not the only one to have been startled to find the opposite emphasis in the blog post. Unfortunately these ambiguities tend the fray the trust that Fadi has worked so hard to build.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">On another note, I see that the comment forum is up at the link you provided, but there is no link to the proposal itself. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">With best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Antony<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Karen Lentz wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Robin,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you for your message. If I can offer some clarification: on Monday’s call we discussed this third item (inclusion of strings previously found to have been abusively registered or used) as something that is consistent with the policy and could be considered implementation. However, given the work of the STI and the number of discussions held on this in the past, we were not comfortable proceeding without the guidance of the GNSO council. This is also what is stated in the blog, so there is no change from the position on the call. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, FYI, as discussed on Monday, the strawman is posted for public comment, and can be found here: <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/tmch-strawman-30nov12-en.htm" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/tmch-strawman-30nov12-en.htm">http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/tmch-strawman-30nov12-en.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Karen Lentz</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ICANN</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Robin Gross [<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">mailto:robin@ipjustice.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, November 30, 2012 9:59 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Fadi Chehade<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeff Eckhaus; Marilyn Cade; Bret Fausett;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:avc@mindsandmachines.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:avc@mindsandmachines.com">avc@mindsandmachines.com</a>; Alan Greenberg; Ben Anderson; Bryce Coughlin; Chris Wright; Elisa Cooper;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>; Fabricio Vayra; Fred Felman; Gerald Depardo; Gustavo Lozano; J. Scott Evans; James Bladel;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>; Jim Waldron;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>; Jon Nevett; Jonathan Robinson; Kathy Kleinman; Kathy Kleiman; Kathryn Park; Konstantine Komaitis; Kristina Rosette; Martin Sutton; Matt Serlin; Mike O'Connor;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com">SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com</a>; Susan K; Steve Metalitz; Steve Delbianco; Tony Holmes;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>;<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>; Wendy Seltzer;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>; Karen Lentz; Francisco Arias; Akram Atallah; Christine Willett; Margie Milam; John Jeffrey; David Olive<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: follow up/and scheduling</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Fadi,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the update. However, I'm confused about something the <a href="http://blog.icann.org/2012/11/a-follow-up-to-our-trademark-clearinghouse-meetings/" target="_blank">blog report</a> of the meeting states because it differs from my understanding of Monday's conversation on the issue, so I was hoping you could clarify the issue.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I thought you had said on Monday's call that the proposal to expand the scope of trademark claims to so-called abused TM's+50 was "deemed policy" by staff, a position with which many of us agree. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">However in this week's <a href="http://blog.icann.org/2012/11/a-follow-up-to-our-trademark-clearinghouse-meetings/" target="_blank">blog report</a> about the meeting, it states under the <span class="apple-style-span"><u>Scope of Trademark Claims</u></span> issue that expanding claims to so-called abused TMs+50 "can be considered implementation..." - an interpretation with significantly different ramifications. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Has staff shifted its view from Monday's call on this issue and no longer considers expanding the scope of TM claims to be a policy matter, but is now deemed to be an implementation issue instead? I think a number of us on the call would have objected at that time had we been told staff was going to deem this particular proposal as implementation (as opposed to policy) because the creation of this new policy out of whole cloth presents serious impacts to many stakeholders and requires a legitimate policy development process to sort through them. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Could you please clarify staff's apparent re-classification of this proposal as implementation since Monday's call, as that classification bears significant ramifications?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Robin<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 29, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Fadi Chehade wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">With regret, we are not ready to have a call tomorrow. Our contract negotiations are ongoing and we are likely to need another week to finalize with IBM. My sincere apologies. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cassia- please setup our last informational call for this group at 8am on Tuesday December 11. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance to all of you and apologies for the delay. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Fadi<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><br>On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:03 PM, "Jeff Eckhaus" <<a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com">eckhaus@demandmedia.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I agree a call may be difficult , but hope that one of the agreed upon asks I had from the call could be followed up via email. I had asked and Fadi agreed to send the rationale and the supporting documentation that led to the ICANN decision that the mandatory Claims 2, is an implementation decision and not a policy decision. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Bret Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:bret@internet.pro">bret@internet.pro</a>>, Fadi Chehade <<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>>, Antony Van Couvering <<a href="mailto:avc@mindsandmachines.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:avc@mindsandmachines.com">avc@mindsandmachines.com</a>>, Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>>, Ben Anderson <<a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:ben.anderson@groupnbt.com">ben.anderson@groupnbt.com</a>>, Bryce Coughlin <<a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:bryce.coughlin@fox.com">bryce.coughlin@fox.com</a>>, Chris Wright <<a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:chris@ausregistry.com.au">chris@ausregistry.com.au</a>>, Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com">elisa.cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>>, Fabricio Vayra <<a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com">fabricio.vayra@timewarner.com</a>>, Fred Felman <<a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:frederick.felman@markmonitor.com">frederick.felman@markmonitor.com</a>>, Gerald Depardo <<a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gdepardo@travelers.com">gdepardo@travelers.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gustavo.lozano@icann.org">gustavo.lozano@icann.org</a>>, "J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>, James Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>>, Jeffrey Eckhaus <<a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:eckhaus@demandmedia.com">eckhaus@demandmedia.com</a>>, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us">Jeff.Neuman@neustar.us</a>>, "'Waldron, Joe'" <<a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jwaldron@verisign.com">jwaldron@verisign.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:joris.goiris@be.ibm.com">joris.goiris@be.ibm.com</a>>, Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co">jon@donuts.co</a>>, Jonathan Robinson <<a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>>, Kathy Kleinman <<a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kleiman@fhhlaw.com">kleiman@fhhlaw.com</a>>, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@KathyKleiman.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Kathy@KathyKleiman.com">Kathy@KathyKleiman.com</a>>, Kathryn Park <<a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:kathryn.park@ge.com">kathryn.park@ge.com</a>>, Konstantine Komaitis <<a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk">k.komaitis@strath.ac.uk</a>>, Kristina Rosette <<a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:krosette@cov.com">krosette@cov.com</a>>, Martin Sutton <<a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:martinsutton@hsbc.com">martinsutton@hsbc.com</a>>, Matt Serlin <<a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:matt.serlin@markmonitor.com">matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>>, Mike O'Connor <<a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:mike@haven2.com">mike@haven2.com</a>>, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG">robin@IPJUSTICE.ORG</a>>, "<a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com">SARAH.B.DEUTSCH@verizon.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>>, Susan K <<a href="mailto:susank@fb.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:susank@fb.com">susank@fb.com</a>>, Steve Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>, Steve Delbianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, Tony Holmes <<a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:tonyarholmes@btinternet.com">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:vfolens@deloitte.com">vfolens@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>" <<a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:harris@cabase.org.ar">harris@cabase.org.ar</a>>, Wendy Seltzer <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com">wendy@seltzer.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:wim_fabri@be.ibm.com">wim_fabri@be.ibm.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:johudson@deloitte.com">johudson@deloitte.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elainepruis@gmail.com">elainepruis@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jgould@verisign.com">jgould@verisign.com</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Karen Lentz <<a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>>, Francisco Arias <<a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>>, Akram Atallah <<a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org">akram.atallah@icann.org</a>>, Christine Willett <<a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org">christine.willett@icann.org</a>>, Margie Milam <<a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>>, John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>>, David Olive <<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org">david.olive@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>follow up/and scheduling</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Status request: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At this point, as I am traveling to Dubai for ITU WCIT, my Friday is extremely limited in availability. I can only do a call from 1-3 p.m due to travel and previous commitments, but <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">of more importance is that short notice prevents all of us to plan. But that is only an illustration of how hard it is to schedule on short notice. I suspect/expect others are more limited than I am! <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">A call next week will fall while I am in Dubai, and I see at least one other person from this group also there. <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Can we have a few days notice, and some time slots, so that all of us can plan accordingly to ensure that we can participate? <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Marilyn Cade<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a 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href="mailto:JGould@verisign.com">JGould@verisign.com</a><br>CC:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:karen.lentz@icann.org">karen.lentz@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org">francisco.arias@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:akram.atallah@icann.org">akram.atallah@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:christine.willett@icann.org">christine.willett@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a 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