[Igf-team] Global IGF 2017 - NCSG
James Gannon
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Sun Apr 30 14:46:33 EEST 2017
Thanks all, discussion on the list is great but we need content into the google doc =)
-James
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Good job Lucas
Proposals 1, 2 and 5 sound good too me
1- because this a hot topic in ICANN and the undergoing discussions in RDS PDP WG focus on the next gen. We have materials ready for that
2 and 5 because of their particular focus on users.
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Le 30 avr. 2017 03:57, "Lucas Moura" <moura.lucas at gmail.com <mailto:moura.lucas at gmail.com> > a écrit :
Hey everyone ,
Related to DNS Security, below are some topics that I think that would be okay to cover in a IGF workshop. As long our time is running short, below are some ideas how to deal with the break a part moment of the workshop
1. Whois Privacy (proxy whois and the relationship with abuse of domains)
2. indentifier technology health indicator and how this affects the nom comercial users
3. How the Urds are affecting nom commercial users in the internet governance ecosystem
4. Ways to approach Security groups(like SSAC and RSSAC) in Icann to the groups like NCUC
5. How to build a better relationship between "user" community and the security community ( and how this relationship can become a win-win one)
6. How to enable groups like Ralos to participate and contribute to the security of Dns industry
7. A hands on with the challenges of IDN and the newGTLD related to security and stability of DNS.
Before the break a part moment would be nice if we could explain in a nutshell the Dns security scenario and the role of groups like NCSG.
Maybe use as example the participation of someone from the SSR2 review group to show some "channels" that already exists in this area.
On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 at 17:37 Robert Guerra <rguerra at privaterra.org <mailto:rguerra at privaterra.org> > wrote:
Bill,
As I mentioned on the google doc - I polled th ssac and heard back th following:
* there's an interest and willingness to collaborate on this proposal . Special ally, there's an interest to bring a Security , operations and technical perspective (if that is of interest)
* ssac members available
I polled the ssac and At least 2 members got back to me who would be happy to participate on the panel (in person or virtually)
- the two persons are -
1. Ben Butler from GoDaddy who likely would be able to speak to RDS/Whois , domain hijacking and takedown
2. Jeff Bedser , who is more a cyber investigations expert who can speak to law enforcement , takedown as well as cooperation that's needed when doing investigations for ip takedowns and cybercrime
* if a DNS operations , DNSSEC or registry operations is also desired, let me know and I'll teach out directly to others on the ssac who have, in the past, participated such as Merike Kaeo
* ssac has contacts with law enforcement community . If that perspective is desired and can be added , let me know to see if I can get the FBI contact I mentioned earlier to confirm (who likely will attend anyway)
Let me know so I can follow-up accordingly
Regards
Robert
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From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
Date: April 29, 2017 at 12:27:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Igf-team] Global IGF 2017 - NCSG
Agree 100% on with Bill, unless someone has something already cooked that we can go behind, let's reach out to those experts, and hope some others ncsg experts follow, thanks James !!! I am not an expert but I think the topic is something different, new and concrete compared to other panels and our usual work, worth for a try. So even if it is not my field I am more than willing to fully support and engage.
If by the end of today we don't have any new opinions I say let's bring the experts we have in our contacts. I know there is a civil society cibersecurity approach to DNS!
Cheers,
Martin
On 29 Apr 2017 8:37 a.m., "Farell Folly" <farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com> > wrote:
+1 Martin and William.
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Le 29 avr. 2017 07:45, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> > a écrit :
Hi
So if time pressures and switching costs mean that NCSG wants to to stick with the blue skies idea of DNS security issues for its IGF proposal this year, we’re going to need some engagement from people who know these issues well. James Gannon is here in the group and can certainly help a lot if he has the bandwidth, not sure who else feels close enough to the topic. Folks please speak up if you’re feel you’re in a position to help lead.
I would also suggest we try to get some guidance from friendly folks we know who are subject experts on the issues. Here’s some suggestions of people who could a) be speakers if they’re coming to Geneva and willing and b) either way could help craft a session description and agenda if they’re inclined:
1. Brenden Kuerbis from NCUC/SG (who I’m taking the liberty of Ccing without asking him first, sorry)
>From the SSAC https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/ssac-biographies-2017-02-16-en
2. Robert Guerra (also on the Cc as he expressed interest in talking about security @ IGF in another convo)
3. Patrik Fältström (SSAC Chair)
4. Mark Seiden
5. Suzanne Woolf
6. Ram Mohan
7. Don Blumenthal
If we could get these folks engaged we’d have good guidance and (if they’re coming and willing) the start of a good panel, with private sector/technical community/civil society. It would need geo/gender balance as well.
If people agree with this approach we could write to them and try to get something going. Choice of format would depend how many bodies we have etc.
In the meanwhile, Brenden and Robert, your thoughts please. Martin’s place holder description would obviously need to be built out and specified in keeping with the IGF proposal form which asks for agenda and description of the convo flow etc:
The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.
Thanks
Bill
On Apr 28, 2017, at 19:27, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all,
Because of time we cannot go into detail on each subject, I would suggest to choose one and just work with it. We may not all be experts but we should be able to bring them. We can change it to other besides Security as long as you have already something sort out. To save time I suggest we use all the same setting we used last year that was successful. If we can agree on the subject, the more time consuming and difficult will be to get the speakers, although her ewe might need Bill guidance, I think we can change this a little bit later in order to submit it on time. If you already have a subject to do that we can write down and work around this is your time to talk. All ideas are welcomed, have always been.
Here I summarize the question we need to answer so you can just answer this email instead of going to the doc, I will then consolidate things on the doc.
1) ¿Session Format?*
We can go for the 60 Min Break-out Group Discussions, we can also go for the 90 minutes it really depends on what we have to do. We could use the same format that we used last year here.
2) Session Format Description:
The easiest way it to have multi-stakeholder balanced roundtable with the basic subjects of the agenda and open the floor for in-site/remote participation. Again, if anyone have in mind an already thought idea for this just bring it in.
3) Proposer and co-proposer:
NCSG chair, Tapani and who ever is co-hosting the workshop, if we are going for cybersecurity then it should be someone with an organization regarding that.
4) Speakers
Depending on the subject. If you have names for the cybersecurity let’s start listing that, we can maybe find that co-host there if it is not already in this list.
5) Content of the Session * (we outlined ciber security, but you can use this space if you have an alternative)
5.1) outline for the session
A workshop in Internet Governance Forum on cybersecurity and DNS.
5.2) description of the intended agenda for the session and the issues that will be discussed.
The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.
6) Relevance of the Issue *
Please provide a concise description of the Internet Governance issue that your session will explore, including how this issue relates to Internet governance broadly, as well as to the main theme of IGF 2017: “Shape Your Digital Future!” In other words, please tell us why this workshop is important to include in the IGF programme.
7) Interventions
Same model as last year
8) Diversity
9) Here we need people that are going to be in the IGF already:
9.1) Onsite Moderator
9.2) Online Moderator
9.3) Rapporteur
10) Online Participation * Yes, we will have remote acces and moderators to que any on-line participation into the room.
11) Discussion facilitation
We can use the same model as last year
Past IGF Participation
History in IGF : How many other workshop has the NCSG and Co-organziers have? Report Links
VOLUNTARY INFORMATION / RESOURCES FOR PROPOSERS
XVIII. Sustainable Development Goals
If your workshop proposal is based upon one or more of the UN Sustainable Development Goals, please indicate which numbers here. Note that this information is voluntary and collected for programming purposes only; this item has no bearing on the MAG’s evaluation of your workshop proposal.
XIX. Connecting with IGF Intersessional Groups & NRIs
If you would like to incorporate content/speakers related to the IGF’s intersessional work or the National and Regional Initiatives (NRIs) into your workshop, please indicate which of the following would be of interest. To the extent possible, the MAG/IGF Secretariat will provide contacts for your outreach to pertinent points of contact.
Best Practice Forums
Information
Dynamic Coalitions
Information
National and Regional Initiatives
Information
XX. Connecting with International or Other Relevant Organizations
If you are interested in involving in your workshop any of the numerous organizations or subject matter experts based in Geneva (UN Agencies, NGOs, academia, think tanks, etc.), please indicate your interest above. Please find a selection of such organizations at: http://dig.watch/igf2017 For comprehensive information on “International Geneva” please consult: http://www.genIGF <http://www.genigf/>
On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:42 AM, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com <mailto:farellfolly at gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear All,
So what do we decide? Regarding the short deadline, we should take a decision today whether we do the initial proposal or not (and quickly vote for another, if not).
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Le 26 avr. 2017 2:43 PM, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> > a écrit :
Hi
Well, I didn't mean to upset the apple cart here, especially since at the outset I’d suggested we might consider security. But I’m looking now at a multi-person consensus process that has to finish a week from today, coupled with a topic on which many of us may not be subject matter experts, and I’m just wondering if this is sensible or we should try something that would come a lot easier to us? I organized I think seven approved workshop proposals for NCUC and NCSG between 2013-2015 and they were each time consuming. So I’m inclined to say that if NCSG is going to get something out quickly that meets the MAG’s criteria there’s no time for navel gazing. Take a topic we know well and can populate easily and start doing it.
We’ve done a number of these on civil society experiences in ICANN and their wider implications so that might be a bit tired by now. But maybe a hot substantive issue, like ICANN jurisdiction, or CS @ ICANN as a model for other IG, or development aspects of ICANN, etc…?
BD
On Apr 26, 2017, at 15:22, Louise Marie Hurel <louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com <mailto:louise.marie.hsd at gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all,
Agree with Bill when he says that it is challenging to pin down security @ ICANN. We should keep in mind that not all people who attend the IGF are familiar with discussions at ICANN -- and if it is challenging for us (at least for me) to understand what are the borderlines of cybersecurity within ICANN, imagine for people outside it. However, I do believe that this session could contribute to a broader discussion about cybersecurity governance (and thus the identification of overlapping spaces for collaboration and interaction with other actors/institutions within this field).
If the breakout session is the desired format, I'd suggest that we need to think about how we are going to make it more inclusive in the sense of leveraging between "going deeper into DNS security" (for example) and "interacting with a wider public" -- as Martin suggested: "The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding of how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions."
I know most of our agendas are loaded with calls, but perhaps scheduling a one might help us in tackling some of these points more rapidly.
Best,
Louise
2017-04-26 5:23 GMT-03:00 AbdulRasheed Tamton <rasheedt.c at stc.com.sa <mailto:rasheedt.c at stc.com.sa> >:
Dear All,
Happy to be part of the list.
Can anyone put some pointers for the subject so that it would be more easier for us to start with. I have already read mail from Martin and others but still would like to get the above, if anyone can really do it.
BR,
Rasheed Tamton.
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Dear all,
Thanks Martins for reaching. @William is right about how to choose the topic and what are the reasons behind the choice of Security and DNS.
I suggest we give today (NLT tomorrow) as deadline for anyone who would like to make any other suggestion. Otherwise, me must try and increase our chance to win application for this one.
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Le 25 avr. 2017 15:53, "William Drake" <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> > a écrit :
Hi
Thanks for the boot-up Martin.
I’m in the middle of organizing another IGF workshop proposal at the moment so I thought I’d flag a couple things. It looks like we have over 30 people in this group, which is great. I don’t know if everyone is equally familiar with how the IGF workshop proposal process works, or how the Multistakeholder Advisory Committee (MAG) evaluates proposals. But it is an increasingly competitive and difficult business, they usually get well over 200 proposals for under 100 workshop slots, so it’s important to maximize the fit with their multiple and increasingly time-consuming guidelines. There are about five documents at the URL Martin shared one could look at in this regard. Bottom line, the proposal needs to be crisp and provocative in content; it needs co-sponsors from other organizations (preferably not civil society); the speakers need to be very multistakeholder and diverse (geo/gender/perspective/etc), and we have to have full contact and other details on them; there needs to be a plan for remote participation; all the roles must be filled, so we need names of people we know will come to Geneva in December; and so on.
All a reasonably tall order given that the deadline for submission is a week from tomorrow. This being the case, it will be important to reach agreement quickly on things like text so that outreach to potential speakers, co-sponsors etc. can begin in earnest.
I see Martin has indicated on the Google doc the choice of format as 60 minute break out session. I’ve organized workshops at every IGF except last year (including a number of them for NCUC and NCSG) and have never done one of these, I’ve always done 90 minute panels or large roundtables. Maybe first we should talk about the format we want? Also, are we set on security? I suggested it on the list when we were chatting about possibilities, but I’m not sure how easy it will be for us to organize something on security @ ICANN in the time available, what are the overarching questions we want to explore, what kinds of people could we get, etc. So maybe it’d make sense to sort such threshold issues up front?
Best
Bill
On Apr 25, 2017, at 16:28, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at GMAIL.COM <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> > wrote:
I sent this email wrong on sunday to the igf-team-request@ email. Here goes right, sorry for that.
Dear all,
Welcome to the email-list that Tapani so thoughtfully created for us to work on the NCSG Global IGF 2017 Workshop Proposal. A few month ago, after a very successful workshop in the Global IGF 2016, we lunched once again the idea to do a workshop for the 2017 IGF, after a few rounds of ideas in discussions we submitted the request to ICANN and they approved our project.At the end of this email I copy the details that outline the idea that we shared with ICANN, originally given by William Drake (a.k.a Bill) in the NCSG list among other good ones.
For those who might be new to the process, we now have to draft and present a Workshop proposal to the MAG in order to get approved and be able to do it in the IGF meeting. Since the deadline to submit is May 3, we thought it would be wise to have our final draft for April 30 (which is end of next week). The time is very tight, but it is what it is.
Here you can visit the terms and basic information for the proposal: https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2017-call-for-workshop-proposals
I created a googledoc with the official template of the proposal we have to submit, I propose we work on it as we move forward: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10YJE8rT_yXNgtMDONb8tf4GMYMdmCIdcBIN6XOQSwo0/edit?usp=sharing
I propose that the we try to channel the edits trough me on this list and just do comments on the google doc to not overwrite things.
What we need to do now:
First: Defining the substantive focus more precisely and linking it clearly to ICANN stuff so it’s not redundant with all the other cybersecurity proposals the MAG will be reviewing.
Second: Identifying speakers;
So, based on what we already outlined, we need to tackle that First task. I encourage you to read the outline below, the form in the google doc and the resources in the IGF web I link above. Once we finish that we can start making a pool of speakers to contact. I will be filling the draft as we move forward and you can comment the doc if you see something wrong or want to propose an answer or writing.
Each day I will try push the work so sorry in advanced if I spam a little this email list, but we only have a few days to draft this out.
Best regards to all,
Martín Silva
Outline of the Workshop Idea:
1)Activity: Please describe your proposed activity in detail
A workshop in Internet Governance Forum on cybersecurity and DNS.
The workshop will look at cybersecurity specifically in relation to DNS, including management interfaces, owner authentication processes, RDS/whois and related problems like domain hijacking, privacy endangerment, spam etc, not from purely technical perspective but also in how they should affect ICANN policy. The idea is that even non-technical people developing policy should acquire an understanding on how and what kind of security issues they should consider when making policy decisions.
2) Strategic Alignment. Which area of ICANN’s Strategic Plan does this request support?
Support a healthy, stable and resilient unique identifier ecosystem.
3) Demographics. What audience(s), in which geographies, does your request target?
All ICANN regional groups (NCSG has members in more than 100 countries).
4) Deliverables. What arethe desired outcomes of your proposed activity?
Raised awareness about cybersecurity issues related to DNS and their policy implications; increased engagement in security work; report feeding into ICANN processes as well as other cybersecurity discussions.
5) Metrics. What measurements will you use to determine whether your activity achieves its desired outcomes?
Attendance, both onsite and online; increased participation on related working groups in ICANN and elsewhere; outcome document (report) that's useful as input to other fora like IGF Cybersecurity Best Practices forum.
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