[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
Stephanie E Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed May 31 17:02:10 EEST 2023
Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year
terms for the standing committee. Seems too long, there are plenty of
candidates for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have
already served on NomCom for four years hanging around another 3? I
think 2 is lots....
cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
Stephanie Perrin
On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>
> HI Tomslin,
>
> I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to
> answer the questions raised by the persons who commented on the
> document and it is now ready to go. Let me know what else you want or
> need to do before this gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>> Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>>
>> The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all
>> comments with the contributors, the PC normally takes a final look
>> at it before the NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of
>> NCSG.
>>
>> Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this
>> one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the
>> other NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which
>> are PC members) as endorsement.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein,
>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI Tomslin,
>>
>> I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he
>> is not understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are
>> recommending. I have added in replies to his comments to explain
>> them and hope this helps
>>
>> Here again is the link.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the
>> comments and submit it. Do let me know what is the process. I
>> believe we will have a one-day extension since tomorrow is a
>> holiday in the US and ICANN usually does not have comments due on
>> the holiday as US staff are off.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
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>> Hellerstein & Associates
>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
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>> On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>
>>> There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you
>>> please reconcile them?
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein
>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Juan,
>>>
>>> I would have loved to include something about it and in fact
>>> wrote something up, but was told since this item was pulled
>>> from the Public Comment we could not address it here. We
>>> have to address this issue in both NPOC's and the NCSG's
>>> comments to Sally directly
>>>
>>> That was why I pulled it from the draft statement. In a
>>> public comment, we can only comment on what is written and
>>> not an item that has been withdrawn. Please correct me if I
>>> was wrong
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
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>>>
>>> On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add something on this review. I believe
>>>> that in the same comment, we should also address the
>>>> situation of NPOC, as this comment is regarding NomCom
>>>> rebalance.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>> Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>>
>>>> /Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
>>>> Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5,
>>>> Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>
>>>> Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review
>>>> that closes on May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith
>>>> Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi. Please provide your urgent
>>>> comments to the draft by midnight UTC on Thursday 25th May.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>>> Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>>> To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer
>>>> <plommer at gmail.com>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>> <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to
>>>> the various Policy teams within the NCSG for comment. I do
>>>> not know who is on the PC FO to send it to so please can
>>>> you send this to them for me. Also not sure of your
>>>> particular style or not.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has
>>>> commenting rights. What we might want to do if we run out
>>>> of time before the deadline is to post a draft first and
>>>> then replace it with the approved and ratified one later
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
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>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a
>>>>> google doc and ask that you share it with the PC FO input
>>>>> and feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to
>>>>> write ICANN for a little extension as it takes the entire
>>>>> PC a while to provide feedback and ratify public comments
>>>>> that represents the NCSG's views.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>> <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com> joining you to take a lead
>>>>> on this.
>>>>> I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to
>>>>> support the arguments that will be put forward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Caleb
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein
>>>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for
>>>>> clarifying that Stephanie and you are only
>>>>> collaborating on the NomCom Rebalancing letter that
>>>>> Interim CEO Sally Costerton sent to all
>>>>> constituencies. I suggested that we draft a statement
>>>>> in response to the public comment on the NomCom
>>>>> Review, and will be happy to be the Pen Holder.
>>>>> Basically, there are 4 questions they are asking us to
>>>>> comment upon. Public Comments are due May 29, 2023. I
>>>>> have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo as he
>>>>> also suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment
>>>>> proposed for Article 7 of the ICANN Bylaws and the
>>>>> related proposed statement defining “Unaffiliated”
>>>>> Directors?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws
>>>>> amendments proposed to Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws
>>>>> as well as the Transition Clause
>>>>>
>>>>> Change NomCom delegates’ terms to serve two-year
>>>>> terms, instead of one year.
>>>>> Transform all NomCom delegates into voting
>>>>> delegates to be able to vote, except for leadership.
>>>>> Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide
>>>>> continuity across annual NomCom cycles and to build
>>>>> the institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC
>>>>> bylaws to allow them to accept a voting slot instead
>>>>> of the current non-voting slot
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.
>>>>> Only contentious issue is the definition of
>>>>> unaffiliated Directors
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Judith Hellerstein
>>>>>
>>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139 Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>> E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com Website:www.jhellerstein.com <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
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>>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>>>> I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer
>>>>>> than 6 months ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>>>>> Apparently it is too late for this, which is really
>>>>>>> sad. I was told the time to have done this
>>>>>>> negotiation was several months ago before the GNSO
>>>>>>> rejected these ideas. Sorry but I had not been
>>>>>>> focusing on these issues 6 months ago. The
>>>>>>> suggestion that was in the original public comment
>>>>>>> was what the review committee had suggested so that
>>>>>>> the GNSO could decide for itself but apparently
>>>>>>> according to CLO, groups within the GNSO heavily
>>>>>>> resisted this change and that was why the board/
>>>>>>> review committee took back part of the review. .
>>>>>>> ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing
>>>>>>> but the review committee and Board got too much
>>>>>>> flack from people within the GNSO so they had to
>>>>>>> pull even this simple adjustment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even
>>>>>>> with the letter it is unlikely to happen again until
>>>>>>> 5 years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the slot from
>>>>>>> the NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the
>>>>>>> NCSG was because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed
>>>>>>> when these slots were first created.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments
>>>>>>> on the NomCom Review. Has one been created. If
>>>>>>> not, I can pass you forward the one myself and Yrjo
>>>>>>> are writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not
>>>>>>> decided is the definition of unaffiliated and what
>>>>>>> that means and entail. Otherwise, What I have
>>>>>>> written have been accepted by the ALAC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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