[NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics

Tue Apr 12 06:04:11 EEST 2022

Hi all,

As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)

You can find the statement here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing

Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!

Best,
Manju

On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin and all,
>
> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council meeting
> this week.
> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late motion.
> I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if
> they want to propose the motion.
>
> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
> policy call.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Manju,
>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
>> representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>> small team.
>>>
>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>> Council level.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
>>> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
>>> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
>>> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
>>> material and edits:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Manju
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>> deliberations and I believe @陳曼茹 Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>
>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
>>>> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
>>>> the document.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>>>>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>>>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled “Board-Facilitated
>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics”, also
>>>>>> attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>>>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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