From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 19:42:58 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 04:42:58 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Hi team,

The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from PC
leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this
is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I get it now. Makes sense.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>
>> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
>> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
>> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>>
>>         Julf
>>
>>
>> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>> > Hi Julf,
>> >
>> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I
>> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
>> >
>> > Warmly,
>> > Tomslin
>> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
>> 2024
>> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>> >>,
>> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Dear Julf,
>> >
>> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy
>> Leadership
>> >     Program (LP)!
>> >
>> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
>> >     scheduled
>> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>> >     official
>> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
>> >
>> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from the
>> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
>> understanding
>> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders. ICANN
>> and
>> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
>> incoming
>> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
>> leaders
>> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
>> skills.
>> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
>> following:
>> >
>> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>> >           functionality and issues in other groups
>> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
>> >
>> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>> >     this is
>> >     subject to change.
>> >
>> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday and
>> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
>> stipend.
>> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
>> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
>> ICANN
>> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
>> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>> >     ICANN79.
>> >
>> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
>> >     from
>> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>> >     participate in
>> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>> >     candidate.
>> >
>> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask them
>> to
>> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>> >     November 2023.*
>> >
>> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
>> their
>> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency collaboration
>> >     during their terms.
>> >
>> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward
>> to
>> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
>> >
>> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give a
>> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
>> >     convenient for your group.
>> >
>> >     Kind regards,
>> >
>> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
>> >
>> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>> >     _______________________________________________
>> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
>> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> >
>>
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 20:23:38 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 05:23:38 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi PC members,

I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.

..........

POSITION

Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair tasks
can be summarized into:


   -

   Managing PC work:
   -
      -

      Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
      -

      Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
      comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
      -

      Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough volunteers
      to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
      -

      Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them
      for reporting and updates; e
      -

      Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
      council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.


   -

   Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP 3.0
   small team);
   -

   Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
   updates;
   -

   Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment of
   NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC meetings,
   sharing agendas with PC members for review;
   -

   Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
   -

   Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
   communication with other SG/C;
   -

   Work with PC vice-chairs.


IMPORTANT INFO


   -

   This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
   NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
   -

   Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be sent
   to the Policy Committee List;
   -

   After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
   expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
   by 8th November;



TIMELINE



1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November

   -

   The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the 8th
   of November.



2- Election: from 9th to 14th November

Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.



3- Results: should be available by 15th November

The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
winner.





VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS



Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest
will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2
Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
is no objection within PC.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 15:29:05 2023
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:29:05 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d08w8SjPV=Z=RP1p0MxmeHfL+N7HuAqksS5GAkmPohzk+g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Tomslin for sharing.

This is well noted.

Regards

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 2:23 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi PC members,
>
> I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
> Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
> ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.
>
> ..........
>
> POSITION
>
> Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair tasks
> can be summarized into:
>
>
>    -
>
>    Managing PC work:
>    -
>       -
>
>       Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
>       -
>
>       Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
>       comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
>       -
>
>       Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough
>       volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
>       -
>
>       Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them
>       for reporting and updates; e
>       -
>
>       Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
>       council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.
>
>
>    -
>
>    Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP 3.0
>    small team);
>    -
>
>    Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
>    updates;
>    -
>
>    Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment
>    of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC
>    meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
>    -
>
>    Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
>    -
>
>    Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
>    communication with other SG/C;
>    -
>
>    Work with PC vice-chairs.
>
>
> IMPORTANT INFO
>
>
>    -
>
>    This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
>    NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
>    -
>
>    Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be sent
>    to the Policy Committee List;
>    -
>
>    After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
>    expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
>    by 8th November;
>
>
>
> TIMELINE
>
>
>
> 1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November
>
>    -
>
>    The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the
>    8th of November.
>
>
>
> 2- Election: from 9th to 14th November
>
> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
> will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
> candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
>
>
>
> 3- Results: should be available by 15th November
>
> The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
> winner.
>
>
>
>
>
> VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS
>
>
>
> Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest
> will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2
> Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
> is no objection within PC.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 15:38:50 2023
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:38:50 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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References: <AFD33D5C-0161-4B49-8C05-D24815603CED@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <CAGK4d0-dXu8gSc5paQhC3qcgzTd_jTc-4NQha3hDZt5PQCZOEA@mail.gmail.com>

For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except we
can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.

Regards

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi team,
>
> The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from
> PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
> the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this
> is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I get it now. Makes sense.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
>>> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
>>> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>>>
>>>         Julf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>> > Hi Julf,
>>> >
>>> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I
>>> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
>>> >
>>> > Warmly,
>>> > Tomslin
>>> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
>>> 2024
>>> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>>> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>>> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>>> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>>> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>>> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>>> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>>> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>>> >>,
>>> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:
>>> carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     Dear Julf,
>>> >
>>> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy
>>> Leadership
>>> >     Program (LP)!
>>> >
>>> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
>>> >     scheduled
>>> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>>> >     official
>>> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
>>> >
>>> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from
>>> the
>>> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>>> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>>> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>>> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
>>> understanding
>>> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>>> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>>> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders.
>>> ICANN and
>>> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
>>> incoming
>>> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
>>> leaders
>>> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
>>> skills.
>>> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
>>> following:
>>> >
>>> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>>> >           functionality and issues in other groups
>>> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>>> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>>> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>>> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
>>> >
>>> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>>> >     this is
>>> >     subject to change.
>>> >
>>> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday
>>> and
>>> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
>>> stipend.
>>> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
>>> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
>>> ICANN
>>> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
>>> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>>> >     ICANN79.
>>> >
>>> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
>>> >     from
>>> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>>> >     participate in
>>> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>>> >     candidate.
>>> >
>>> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>>> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask
>>> them to
>>> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>>> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>>> >     November 2023.*
>>> >
>>> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>>> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
>>> their
>>> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency
>>> collaboration
>>> >     during their terms.
>>> >
>>> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward
>>> to
>>> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
>>> >
>>> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give
>>> a
>>> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that
>>> is
>>> >     convenient for your group.
>>> >
>>> >     Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
>>> >
>>> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>>> >     _______________________________________________
>>> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> >
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 21:28:38 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 06:28:38 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Call for Volunteers: Continuous Improvement Program
 Community Coordination Group (CIP-CCG) Representative
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVhTyQh-mtviqCoVVesD+P7NB-KWT2E3uApm10E0UQAqg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear members,

The Continuous Improvement Program Community Coordination Group (CIP-CCG)
terms of reference calls for each SO, AC, GNSO Stakeholder Group, and
Regional At-Large Organization (RALO) to appoint one (1) representative to
the Group.

Regarding the representative, the ToR recommends the following
skill/expertise:

"*It will be useful to have some representatives with familiarity with
Organizational Reviews, but also representatives with knowledge of
continuous improvement work outside of ICANN; those that can contribute new
and innovative ideas for improving the effectiveness and the accountability
of the different ICANN structures*."

If anyone would like to volunteer, please let me know by Tuesday 7th
November for the PC to evaluate.

*More info on CIP-CCG:*

The Third Accountability and Transparency Review (ATRT3) Recommendation 3.6
calls for Organizational Reviews to be evolved into a Continuous
Improvement Program (CIP). The recommendation to create a Continuous
Improvement Program states that ICANN org shall work with each Supporting
Organization (SO), Advisory Committee (AC) and their stakeholder groups,
and the Nominating Committee (NomCom) to establish a Continuous Improvement
Program. It will include an annual satisfaction survey of
members/participants, and a regular assessment, including a summary of
continuous improvements published at least every three years.

As the ICANN Community considers the implementation of ATRT3 Recommendation
3.6 as it relates to each community structure and for the ICANN Community
overall, the CIP Community Coordination Group is intended to serve as a
forum to exchange best practices, lessons learned, as well as for sharing
information and progress related to already existing community continuous
improvement activities. The representatives in the CIP-CCG will share best
practices and collaborate on community-wide implementation of ATRT3
Recommendation 3.6, while relaying information back to their constituencies
to inform the process and voice decisions.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 16:18:03 2023
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:18:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Dear Tomslin and all, 
I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be on the LP 2024, if he hadn't the chance before. 

JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Director - MINKA DIGITAL ColombiaNPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
Master IT candidate, UNAD
Registered Linux User No.533108.
http://www.jmanurojas.com 

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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

    El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a.?m. GMT-5, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> escribi?:  
 
 For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except we can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.?
Regards?
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi team,
The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making the?decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this is?Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest?we go about this?

Warmly, 
Tomslin
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:

I get it now. Makes sense.

Warmly, 
Tomslin
On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:

Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
to do it - PC chair, for example.

? ? ? ? Julf


On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> 
> Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I 
> don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? ? ?-------- Forwarded Message --------
>? ? ?Subject:? ? ? ? Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
>? ? ?Date:? ?Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>? ? ?From:? ?Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>? ? ?<mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>? ? ?To:? ? ?Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>? ? ?CC:? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>? ? ?<mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>? ? ?<ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>? ? ?Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>,
>? ? ?Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> 
>? ? ?Dear Julf,
> 
>? ? ?It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy Leadership
>? ? ?Program (LP)!
> 
>? ? ?We are now preparing for the 8^th ?edition of the LP, which is
>? ? ?scheduled
>? ? ?to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>? ? ?official
>? ? ?start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
> 
>? ? ?For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from the
>? ? ?NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>? ? ?/_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>? ? ?complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>? ? ?building a network with other leaders. We are aware that understanding
>? ? ?ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>? ? ?interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>? ? ?incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders. ICANN and
>? ? ?the community are making considerable efforts in order to help incoming
>? ? ?leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current leaders
>? ? ?the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation skills.
>? ? ?Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the following:
> 
>? ? ? ? ?* Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>? ? ? ? ? ?functionality and issues in other groups
>? ? ? ? ?* Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>? ? ? ? ?* Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>? ? ? ? ?* Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>? ? ? ? ? ?effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
> 
>? ? ?A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>? ? ?this is
>? ? ?subject to change.
> 
>? ? ?Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday and
>? ? ?Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a stipend.
>? ? ?Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
>? ? ?incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular ICANN
>? ? ?travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
>? ? ?covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>? ? ?ICANN79.
> 
>? ? ?We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
>? ? ?from
>? ? ?your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>? ? ?participate in
>? ? ?this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>? ? ?candidate.
> 
>? ? ?*Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>? ? ?individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask them to
>? ? ?register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>? ? ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>? ? ?November 2023.*
> 
>? ? ?We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>? ? ?participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of their
>? ? ?views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency collaboration
>? ? ?during their terms.
> 
>? ? ?We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward to
>? ? ?having your group?s participants confirmed.
> 
>? ? ?If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give a
>? ? ?short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
>? ? ?convenient for your group.
> 
>? ? ?Kind regards,
> 
>? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
> 
>? ? ?Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>? ? ?_______________________________________________
>? ? ?NCSG-PC mailing list
>? ? ?NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>? ? ?https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>? ? ?<https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 


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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 06:54:54 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 15:54:54 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Hi Juan, all,

I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the past, it was pretty
straightforward because the criteria was simply NCSG leadership to attend.

In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex process, I recommend
we limit the criteria to Policy Committee leadership. Another reason for
limiting it to leadership is for it to act as incentive to encourage
members who would otherwise not be interested in PC leadership to consider
it.

NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC leadership. We
currently have only one vice-chair because no one else was interested.

Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for this LP seat, only
myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi are eligible. As current chair, I
naturally would love for vice-chairs to be confident enough to become
chair, despite the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of this. NCSG
struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after Rafik. That is not
something I'd like to see repeating. So, my proposal is for the current
vice-chair (Akinremi Peter) to take this LP seat that has been offered to
the PC.

Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.

Warmly,
Tomslin


On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC, <
ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Dear Tomslin and all,
> I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be on the LP 2024, if
> he hadn't the chance before.
>
> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> Master IT candidate, UNAD
> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
> http://www.jmanurojas.com
>
>
> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>
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> El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a. m. GMT-5, Akinremi Peter
> Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> escribi?:
>
>
> For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except we
> can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi team,
>
> The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from
> PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
> the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this
> is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I get it now. Makes sense.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>
> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>
>         Julf
>
>
> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> > Hi Julf,
> >
> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I
> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Tomslin
> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
> 2024
> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
> >>,
> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >     Dear Julf,
> >
> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy Leadership
> >     Program (LP)!
> >
> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
> >     scheduled
> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
> >     official
> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
> >
> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from the
> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
> understanding
> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders. ICANN
> and
> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
> incoming
> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
> leaders
> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
> skills.
> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
> following:
> >
> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
> >           functionality and issues in other groups
> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
> >
> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
> >     this is
> >     subject to change.
> >
> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday and
> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
> stipend.
> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
> ICANN
> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
> >     ICANN79.
> >
> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
> >     from
> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
> >     participate in
> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
> >     candidate.
> >
> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask them
> to
> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
> >     November 2023.*
> >
> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
> their
> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency collaboration
> >     during their terms.
> >
> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward to
> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
> >
> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give a
> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
> >     convenient for your group.
> >
> >     Kind regards,
> >
> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
> >
> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> >
>
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 08:12:11 2023
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 06:12:11 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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No objection from me

On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Juan, all,
>
> I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the past, it was
> pretty straightforward because the criteria was simply NCSG leadership to
> attend.
>
> In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex process, I recommend
> we limit the criteria to Policy Committee leadership. Another reason for
> limiting it to leadership is for it to act as incentive to encourage
> members who would otherwise not be interested in PC leadership to consider
> it.
>
> NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC leadership. We
> currently have only one vice-chair because no one else was interested.
>
> Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for this LP seat,
> only myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi are eligible. As current
> chair, I naturally would love for vice-chairs to be confident enough to
> become chair, despite the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of
> this. NCSG struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after Rafik.
> That is not something I'd like to see repeating. So, my proposal is for the
> current vice-chair (Akinremi Peter) to take this LP seat that has been
> offered to the PC.
>
> Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC, <
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Dear Tomslin and all,
>> I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be on the LP 2024, if
>> he hadn't the chance before.
>>
>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>> NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>> http://www.jmanurojas.com
>>
>>
>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a. m. GMT-5, Akinremi Peter
>> Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>
>>
>> For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except we
>> can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from
>> PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
>> the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this
>> is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I get it now. Makes sense.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
>> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
>> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>>
>>         Julf
>>
>>
>> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>> > Hi Julf,
>> >
>> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I
>> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
>> >
>> > Warmly,
>> > Tomslin
>> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
>> 2024
>> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>> >>,
>> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     Dear Julf,
>> >
>> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy
>> Leadership
>> >     Program (LP)!
>> >
>> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
>> >     scheduled
>> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>> >     official
>> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
>> >
>> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from the
>> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
>> understanding
>> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders. ICANN
>> and
>> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
>> incoming
>> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
>> leaders
>> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
>> skills.
>> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
>> following:
>> >
>> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>> >           functionality and issues in other groups
>> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
>> >
>> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>> >     this is
>> >     subject to change.
>> >
>> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday and
>> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
>> stipend.
>> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
>> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
>> ICANN
>> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
>> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>> >     ICANN79.
>> >
>> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
>> >     from
>> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>> >     participate in
>> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>> >     candidate.
>> >
>> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask them
>> to
>> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>> >     November 2023.*
>> >
>> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
>> their
>> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency collaboration
>> >     during their terms.
>> >
>> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward
>> to
>> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
>> >
>> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give a
>> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
>> >     convenient for your group.
>> >
>> >     Kind regards,
>> >
>> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
>> >
>> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>> >     _______________________________________________
>> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
>> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 12:13:16 2023
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 11:13:16 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Hey all,

I?m going to open a disagreement here because I don?t think it is fair to
exclude wider NCSG leadership - aka NCSG EC members - from this
opportunity.

I have taken part of the Leadership Training before and as the name says
it?s something that trains upcoming or incoming leadership from
communities. It?s not a policy exclusive program that would justify using
the slots exclusively for PC members.

I understand that we need to bring in more people to the PC leadership role
but I wouldn?t use this training as an opportunity for doing so. And would
not like for us to take the chance of attending this training away from
current NCSG EC members if any of them would also like to attend. Plus here
I truly believe it?s a decision that Julf should make instead of PC.

Apologies for disagreeing w/ the suggested approach.

Kind regards,
Bruna

Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 07:13:

> No objection from me
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Juan, all,
>>
>> I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the past, it was
>> pretty straightforward because the criteria was simply NCSG leadership to
>> attend.
>>
>> In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex process, I
>> recommend we limit the criteria to Policy Committee leadership. Another
>> reason for limiting it to leadership is for it to act as incentive to
>> encourage members who would otherwise not be interested in PC leadership to
>> consider it.
>>
>> NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC leadership. We
>> currently have only one vice-chair because no one else was interested.
>>
>> Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for this LP seat,
>> only myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi are eligible. As current
>> chair, I naturally would love for vice-chairs to be confident enough to
>> become chair, despite the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of
>> this. NCSG struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after Rafik.
>> That is not something I'd like to see repeating. So, my proposal is for the
>> current vice-chair (Akinremi Peter) to take this LP seat that has been
>> offered to the PC.
>>
>> Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC, <
>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tomslin and all,
>>> I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be on the LP 2024,
>>> if he hadn't the chance before.
>>>
>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>> NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>> http://www.jmanurojas.com
>>>
>>>
>>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>>> Version: 3.1
>>> GIT d- s: a+ C+++ UL P+ L+++ !E !W+++ !N !o K+++ w-- !O M- V PS+ PE-- Y+
>>> PGP+ t+ 5 X++ R tv+ b+ DI D G e+++(+++)>+++ h+ r++ y+
>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a. m. GMT-5, Akinremi Peter
>>> Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except we
>>> can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program from
>>> PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
>>> the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for this
>>> is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I get it now. Makes sense.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
>>> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
>>> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>>>
>>>         Julf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>> > Hi Julf,
>>> >
>>> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since I
>>> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
>>> >
>>> > Warmly,
>>> > Tomslin
>>> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
>>> 2024
>>> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>>> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>>> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>>> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>>> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>>> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>>> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>>> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>>> >>,
>>> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:
>>> carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     Dear Julf,
>>> >
>>> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy
>>> Leadership
>>> >     Program (LP)!
>>> >
>>> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
>>> >     scheduled
>>> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>>> >     official
>>> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
>>> >
>>> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from
>>> the
>>> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>>> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>>> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>>> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
>>> understanding
>>> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>>> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>>> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders.
>>> ICANN and
>>> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
>>> incoming
>>> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
>>> leaders
>>> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
>>> skills.
>>> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
>>> following:
>>> >
>>> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>>> >           functionality and issues in other groups
>>> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>>> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>>> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>>> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
>>> >
>>> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>>> >     this is
>>> >     subject to change.
>>> >
>>> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday
>>> and
>>> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
>>> stipend.
>>> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program, as
>>> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
>>> ICANN
>>> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are being
>>> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>>> >     ICANN79.
>>> >
>>> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current leader
>>> >     from
>>> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>>> >     participate in
>>> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>>> >     candidate.
>>> >
>>> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>>> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask
>>> them to
>>> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>>> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>>> >     November 2023.*
>>> >
>>> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>>> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
>>> their
>>> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency
>>> collaboration
>>> >     during their terms.
>>> >
>>> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look forward
>>> to
>>> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
>>> >
>>> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can give
>>> a
>>> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that
>>> is
>>> >     convenient for your group.
>>> >
>>> >     Kind regards,
>>> >
>>> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
>>> >
>>> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>>> >     _______________________________________________
>>> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> >
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 13:26:52 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 22:26:52 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Hi Bruna,

I appreciate the comments.

 My proposal was based on Julf's explicit recommendation that PC takes the
slot (see my earlier question to Julf). But like I mentioned to Julf in my
question, the PC has not before been asked to make such a decision,  so I
am more than happy for Julf to make the call.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 21:13 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I?m going to open a disagreement here because I don?t think it is fair to
> exclude wider NCSG leadership - aka NCSG EC members - from this
> opportunity.
>
> I have taken part of the Leadership Training before and as the name says
> it?s something that trains upcoming or incoming leadership from
> communities. It?s not a policy exclusive program that would justify using
> the slots exclusively for PC members.
>
> I understand that we need to bring in more people to the PC leadership
> role but I wouldn?t use this training as an opportunity for doing so. And
> would not like for us to take the chance of attending this training away
> from current NCSG EC members if any of them would also like to attend. Plus
> here I truly believe it?s a decision that Julf should make instead of PC.
>
> Apologies for disagreeing w/ the suggested approach.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bruna
>
> Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 07:13:
>
>> No objection from me
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Juan, all,
>>>
>>> I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the past, it was
>>> pretty straightforward because the criteria was simply NCSG leadership to
>>> attend.
>>>
>>> In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex process, I
>>> recommend we limit the criteria to Policy Committee leadership. Another
>>> reason for limiting it to leadership is for it to act as incentive to
>>> encourage members who would otherwise not be interested in PC leadership to
>>> consider it.
>>>
>>> NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC leadership. We
>>> currently have only one vice-chair because no one else was interested.
>>>
>>> Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for this LP seat,
>>> only myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi are eligible. As current
>>> chair, I naturally would love for vice-chairs to be confident enough to
>>> become chair, despite the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of
>>> this. NCSG struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after Rafik.
>>> That is not something I'd like to see repeating. So, my proposal is for the
>>> current vice-chair (Akinremi Peter) to take this LP seat that has been
>>> offered to the PC.
>>>
>>> Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC, <
>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Tomslin and all,
>>>> I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be on the LP 2024,
>>>> if he hadn't the chance before.
>>>>
>>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>> NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>> http://www.jmanurojas.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>>>> Version: 3.1
>>>> GIT d- s: a+ C+++ UL P+ L+++ !E !W+++ !N !o K+++ w-- !O M- V PS+ PE--
>>>> Y+ PGP+ t+ 5 X++ R tv+ b+ DI D G e+++(+++)>+++ h+ r++ y+
>>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a. m. GMT-5, Akinremi Peter
>>>> Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy chair except
>>>> we can get the new PC chair elected before the deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> The PC has been asked to select someone to attend the above program
>>>> from PC leadership. I was hoping we'd elect a new PC leadership before
>>>> making the decision but unfortunately the deadline to submit a name for
>>>> this is Wednesday, 15 November 2023. How do you all suggest we go about
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I get it now. Makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Typically it would be the incoming NCSG chair, but when a chair gets
>>>> re-elected, someone else in our (future) leadership should get
>>>> to do it - PC chair, for example.
>>>>
>>>>         Julf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>> > Hi Julf,
>>>> >
>>>> > Is your expectation that someone from the PC will be selected? Since
>>>> I
>>>> > don't believe the PC has made a selection for this before.
>>>> >
>>>> > Warmly,
>>>> > Tomslin
>>>> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>>>> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP - ICANN Leadership Program (LP)
>>>> 2024
>>>> >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>>>> >     From:   Public Responsibility Support <prs at icann.org
>>>> >     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>>>> >     To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>>>> >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter <info at hoferichter.eu
>>>> >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>, Ergys Ramaj
>>>> >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>, Andrea
>>>> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:
>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org>>,
>>>> >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:
>>>> carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >     Dear Julf,
>>>> >
>>>> >     It was great having you join us for the 2023 ICANN Academy
>>>> Leadership
>>>> >     Program (LP)!
>>>> >
>>>> >     We are now preparing for the 8^th  edition of the LP, which is
>>>> >     scheduled
>>>> >     to take place 29 February - 1 March 2024, two days prior to the
>>>> >     official
>>>> >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto Rico.
>>>> >
>>>> >     For this program, one seat is reserved for a representative from
>>>> the
>>>> >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program is designed for current
>>>> >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to increase understanding of the
>>>> >     complexity of ICANN and to develop facilitation skills, as well as
>>>> >     building a network with other leaders. We are aware that
>>>> understanding
>>>> >     ICANN as an organization, the topics discussed within ICANN, and
>>>> >     interaction within other stakeholder groups can be challenging for
>>>> >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also for experienced leaders.
>>>> ICANN and
>>>> >     the community are making considerable efforts in order to help
>>>> incoming
>>>> >     leaders have a good start to their terms and to provide current
>>>> leaders
>>>> >     the opportunity to strengthen their leadership and facilitation
>>>> skills.
>>>> >     Opportunities for Leadership Program participants include the
>>>> following:
>>>> >
>>>> >         * Meet leaders from the other SOs/ACs and get an insight of
>>>> the
>>>> >           functionality and issues in other groups
>>>> >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in an in-depth manner
>>>> >         * Deepen the understanding of key ICANN processes
>>>> >         * Develop facilitation and leadership skills, focused personal
>>>> >           effectiveness to run meetings and foster processes
>>>> >
>>>> >     A preliminary agenda is attached to this email. Kindly note that
>>>> >     this is
>>>> >     subject to change.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Accommodation for participants will be covered between Wednesday
>>>> and
>>>> >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and participants will receive a
>>>> stipend.
>>>> >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be covered under this program,
>>>> as
>>>> >     incoming and current leaders are normally covered by the regular
>>>> ICANN
>>>> >     travel support. Please ensure that the leaders you select are
>>>> being
>>>> >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for their flights to San Juan for
>>>> >     ICANN79.
>>>> >
>>>> >     We would like to ask you to identify one incoming or current
>>>> leader
>>>> >     from
>>>> >     your stakeholder group who is interested and available to
>>>> >     participate in
>>>> >     this program. We recommend that you also identify an alternate
>>>> >     candidate.
>>>> >
>>>> >     *Kindly forward us the names and email addresses of the endorsed
>>>> >     individuals no later than Wednesday, 15 November 2023, and ask
>>>> them to
>>>> >     register **here* <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>>>> >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>***by Friday, 17
>>>> >     November 2023.*
>>>> >
>>>> >     We hope this program will meet the needs of your community. All
>>>> >     participants will be encouraged to partake in an open exchange of
>>>> their
>>>> >     views, as this will help facilitate cross-constituency
>>>> collaboration
>>>> >     during their terms.
>>>> >
>>>> >     We are happy to answer any questions you may have and look
>>>> forward to
>>>> >     having your group?s participants confirmed.
>>>> >
>>>> >     If you would like to learn more about the program, Sandra can
>>>> give a
>>>> >     short presentation at the upcoming ICANN78 meeting at a time that
>>>> is
>>>> >     convenient for your group.
>>>> >
>>>> >     Kind regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the ICANN Academy Working Group
>>>> >
>>>> >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity Development Program Manager
>>>> >     _______________________________________________
>>>> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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>>>>
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Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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From julf at julf.com  Sat Nov  4 17:37:19 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 16:37:19 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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I was assuming that it is a PC call, as the PC does decide on
appointments. If the chair or EC has made the decision in the past,
I don't see any reason to change the procedure.

Unfortunately we are in the middle of the process of electing/
reappointing EC members.

	Julf


On 04/11/2023 12:26, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Bruna,
> 
> I appreciate the comments.
> 
>  ?My proposal was based on Julf's explicit recommendation that PC takes 
> the slot (see my earlier question to Julf). But like I mentioned to Julf 
> in my question, the PC has not before been asked to make such a 
> decision,? so I am more than happy for Julf to make the call.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 21:13 Bruna Martins dos Santos, 
> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hey all,
> 
>     I?m going to open a disagreement here because I don?t think it is
>     fair to exclude wider NCSG leadership - aka NCSG EC members - from
>     this opportunity.
> 
>     I have taken part of the Leadership Training before and as the name
>     says it?s something that trains upcoming or incoming leadership from
>     communities. It?s not a policy exclusive program that would justify
>     using the slots exclusively for PC members.
> 
>     I understand that we need to bring in more people to the PC
>     leadership role but I wouldn?t use this training as an opportunity
>     for doing so. And would not like for us to take the chance of
>     attending this training away from current NCSG EC members if any of
>     them would also like to attend. Plus here I truly believe it?s a
>     decision that Julf should make instead of PC.
> 
>     Apologies for disagreeing w/ the suggested approach.
> 
>     Kind regards,
>     Bruna
> 
>     Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com <mailto:wisdom.dk at gmail.com>>
>     schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 07:13:
> 
>         No objection?from me
> 
>         On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>         <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Hi Juan, all,
> 
>             I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the
>             past, it was pretty straightforward because the criteria was
>             simply NCSG leadership to attend.
> 
>             In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex
>             process, I recommend we limit the criteria to Policy
>             Committee leadership. Another reason for limiting it to
>             leadership is for it to act as incentive to encourage
>             members who would otherwise not be interested in PC
>             leadership to consider it.
> 
>             NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC
>             leadership. We currently have only one vice-chair because no
>             one else was interested.
> 
>             Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for
>             this LP seat, only myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi
>             are eligible. As current chair, I naturally would love for
>             vice-chairs to be confident enough to become chair, despite
>             the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of this. NCSG
>             struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after
>             Rafik. That is not something I'd like to see repeating. So,
>             my proposal is for the current vice-chair (Akinremi Peter)
>             to take this LP seat that has been offered to the PC.
> 
>             Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
> 
>             Warmly,
>             Tomslin
> 
> 
>             On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC,
>             <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> 
>                 Dear Tomslin and all,
>                 I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be
>                 on the LP 2024, if he hadn't the chance before.
> 
>                 *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>                 Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>                 NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>                 Master IT candidate, UNAD
>                 Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>                 http://www.jmanurojas.com <http://www.jmanurojas.com>
> 
>                 /Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
>                 Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>                 <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>/
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>                 El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a.?m. GMT-5,
>                 Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> escribi?:
> 
> 
>                 For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy
>                 chair except we can get the new PC chair elected before
>                 the deadline.
> 
>                 Regards
> 
>                 On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>                 <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
>                 wrote:
> 
>                     Hi team,
> 
>                     The PC has been asked to select someone to attend
>                     the above program from PC leadership. I was hoping
>                     we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
>                     the?decision but unfortunately the deadline to
>                     submit a name for this is?Wednesday, 15 November
>                     2023. How do you all suggest?we go about this?
> 
>                     Warmly,
>                     Tomslin
> 
>                     On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>                     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>                     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>                         I get it now. Makes sense.
> 
>                         Warmly,
>                         Tomslin
> 
>                         On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius,
>                         <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
>                             Typically it would be the incoming NCSG
>                             chair, but when a chair gets
>                             re-elected, someone else in our (future)
>                             leadership should get
>                             to do it - PC chair, for example.
> 
>                              ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
> 
>                             On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>                              > Hi Julf,
>                              >
>                              > Is your expectation that someone from the
>                             PC will be selected? Since I
>                              > don't believe the PC has made a selection
>                             for this before.
>                              >
>                              > Warmly,
>                              > Tomslin
>                              > @LinkedIn:
>                             https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>                             <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>                              > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>                             <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>>
>                              >
>                              >
>                              > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan
>                             Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>                             <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>                              > <mailto:julf at julf.com
>                             <mailto:julf at julf.com>>> wrote:
>                              >
>                              >
>                              >
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?-------- Forwarded Message --------
>                              >? ? ?Subject:? ? ? ? Invitation - RSVP -
>                             ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
>                              >? ? ?Date:? ?Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
>                              >? ? ?From:? ?Public Responsibility Support
>                             <prs at icann.org <mailto:prs at icann.org>
>                              >? ? ?<mailto:prs at icann.org
>                             <mailto:prs at icann.org>>>
>                              >? ? ?To:? ? ?Johan Helsingius
>                             <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>                             <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>
>                              >? ? ?CC:? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter
>                             <info at hoferichter.eu
>                             <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
>                              >? ? ?<mailto:info at hoferichter.eu
>                             <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>>, Ergys Ramaj
>                              >? ? ?<ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
>                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>>, Andrea
>                              >? ? ?Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>>,
>                              >? ? ?Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org
>                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>
>                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>>
>                              >
>                              >
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?Dear Julf,
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?It was great having you join us for
>                             the 2023 ICANN Academy Leadership
>                              >? ? ?Program (LP)!
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?We are now preparing for the 8^th
>                              ?edition of the LP, which is
>                              >? ? ?scheduled
>                              >? ? ?to take place 29 February - 1 March
>                             2024, two days prior to the
>                              >? ? ?official
>                              >? ? ?start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto
>                             Rico.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?For this program, one seat is
>                             reserved for a representative from the
>                              >? ? ?NCSG. As you are aware, the program
>                             is designed for current
>                              >? ? ?/_and_/incoming leaders, helping to
>                             increase understanding of the
>                              >? ? ?complexity of ICANN and to develop
>                             facilitation skills, as well as
>                              >? ? ?building a network with other
>                             leaders. We are aware that understanding
>                              >? ? ?ICANN as an organization, the topics
>                             discussed within ICANN, and
>                              >? ? ?interaction within other stakeholder
>                             groups can be challenging for
>                              >? ? ?incoming leaders, but sometimes also
>                             for experienced leaders. ICANN and
>                              >? ? ?the community are making considerable
>                             efforts in order to help incoming
>                              >? ? ?leaders have a good start to their
>                             terms and to provide current leaders
>                              >? ? ?the opportunity to strengthen their
>                             leadership and facilitation skills.
>                              >? ? ?Opportunities for Leadership Program
>                             participants include the following:
>                              >
>                              >? ? ? ? ?* Meet leaders from the other
>                             SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>                              >? ? ? ? ? ?functionality and issues in
>                             other groups
>                              >? ? ? ? ?* Discuss current ICANN topics in
>                             an in-depth manner
>                              >? ? ? ? ?* Deepen the understanding of key
>                             ICANN processes
>                              >? ? ? ? ?* Develop facilitation and
>                             leadership skills, focused personal
>                              >? ? ? ? ? ?effectiveness to run meetings
>                             and foster processes
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?A preliminary agenda is attached to
>                             this email. Kindly note that
>                              >? ? ?this is
>                              >? ? ?subject to change.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?Accommodation for participants will
>                             be covered between Wednesday and
>                              >? ? ?Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and
>                             participants will receive a stipend.
>                              >? ? ?Please note that flights will*NOT*be
>                             covered under this program, as
>                              >? ? ?incoming and current leaders are
>                             normally covered by the regular ICANN
>                              >? ? ?travel support. Please ensure that
>                             the leaders you select are being
>                              >? ? ?covered by ICANN Travel Support for
>                             their flights to San Juan for
>                              >? ? ?ICANN79.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?We would like to ask you to identify
>                             one incoming or current leader
>                              >? ? ?from
>                              >? ? ?your stakeholder group who is
>                             interested and available to
>                              >? ? ?participate in
>                              >? ? ?this program. We recommend that you
>                             also identify an alternate
>                              >? ? ?candidate.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?*Kindly forward us the names and
>                             email addresses of the endorsed
>                              >? ? ?individuals no later than Wednesday,
>                             15 November 2023, and ask them to
>                              >? ? ?register **here*
>                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>
>                              >? ? ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>>***by
>                             Friday, 17
>                              >? ? ?November 2023.*
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?We hope this program will meet the
>                             needs of your community. All
>                              >? ? ?participants will be encouraged to
>                             partake in an open exchange of their
>                              >? ? ?views, as this will help facilitate
>                             cross-constituency collaboration
>                              >? ? ?during their terms.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?We are happy to answer any questions
>                             you may have and look forward to
>                              >? ? ?having your group?s participants
>                             confirmed.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?If you would like to learn more about
>                             the program, Sandra can give a
>                              >? ? ?short presentation at the upcoming
>                             ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
>                              >? ? ?convenient for your group.
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?Kind regards,
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the
>                             ICANN Academy Working Group
>                              >
>                              >? ? ?Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity
>                             Development Program Manager
>                              >   
>                              ?_______________________________________________
>                              >? ? ?NCSG-PC mailing list
>                              > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>                             <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>                             <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>                             <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>>
>                              >
>                             https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>                              >   
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>                              >
> 
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 17:39:32 2023
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 16:39:32 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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For this call NCSG Chair would normally put out a call for the entire
leadership :)

Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 16:38:

> I was assuming that it is a PC call, as the PC does decide on
> appointments. If the chair or EC has made the decision in the past,
> I don't see any reason to change the procedure.
>
> Unfortunately we are in the middle of the process of electing/
> reappointing EC members.
>
>         Julf
>
>
> On 04/11/2023 12:26, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> > Hi Bruna,
> >
> > I appreciate the comments.
> >
> >   My proposal was based on Julf's explicit recommendation that PC takes
> > the slot (see my earlier question to Julf). But like I mentioned to Julf
> > in my question, the PC has not before been asked to make such a
> > decision,  so I am more than happy for Julf to make the call.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Tomslin
> >
> > On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 21:13 Bruna Martins dos Santos,
> > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hey all,
> >
> >     I?m going to open a disagreement here because I don?t think it is
> >     fair to exclude wider NCSG leadership - aka NCSG EC members - from
> >     this opportunity.
> >
> >     I have taken part of the Leadership Training before and as the name
> >     says it?s something that trains upcoming or incoming leadership from
> >     communities. It?s not a policy exclusive program that would justify
> >     using the slots exclusively for PC members.
> >
> >     I understand that we need to bring in more people to the PC
> >     leadership role but I wouldn?t use this training as an opportunity
> >     for doing so. And would not like for us to take the chance of
> >     attending this training away from current NCSG EC members if any of
> >     them would also like to attend. Plus here I truly believe it?s a
> >     decision that Julf should make instead of PC.
> >
> >     Apologies for disagreeing w/ the suggested approach.
> >
> >     Kind regards,
> >     Bruna
> >
> >     Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com <mailto:wisdom.dk at gmail.com>>
> >     schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 07:13:
> >
> >         No objection from me
> >
> >         On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
> >         <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >             Hi Juan, all,
> >
> >             I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the
> >             past, it was pretty straightforward because the criteria was
> >             simply NCSG leadership to attend.
> >
> >             In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex
> >             process, I recommend we limit the criteria to Policy
> >             Committee leadership. Another reason for limiting it to
> >             leadership is for it to act as incentive to encourage
> >             members who would otherwise not be interested in PC
> >             leadership to consider it.
> >
> >             NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC
> >             leadership. We currently have only one vice-chair because no
> >             one else was interested.
> >
> >             Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for
> >             this LP seat, only myself and the vice-chair, Peter Akinremi
> >             are eligible. As current chair, I naturally would love for
> >             vice-chairs to be confident enough to become chair, despite
> >             the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of this. NCSG
> >             struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after
> >             Rafik. That is not something I'd like to see repeating. So,
> >             my proposal is for the current vice-chair (Akinremi Peter)
> >             to take this LP seat that has been offered to the PC.
> >
> >             Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
> >
> >             Warmly,
> >             Tomslin
> >
> >
> >             On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC,
> >             <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> wrote:
> >
> >                 Dear Tomslin and all,
> >                 I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate to be
> >                 on the LP 2024, if he hadn't the chance before.
> >
> >                 *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
> >                 Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> >                 NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> >                 Master IT candidate, UNAD
> >                 Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
> >                 http://www.jmanurojas.com <http://www.jmanurojas.com>
> >
> >                 /Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
> >                 Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
> >                 <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>/
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                 El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a. m. GMT-5,
> >                 Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com
> >                 <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> escribi?:
> >
> >
> >                 For me, I would suggest you attend as the current policy
> >                 chair except we can get the new PC chair elected before
> >                 the deadline.
> >
> >                 Regards
> >
> >                 On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
> >                 <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
> >                 wrote:
> >
> >                     Hi team,
> >
> >                     The PC has been asked to select someone to attend
> >                     the above program from PC leadership. I was hoping
> >                     we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
> >                     the decision but unfortunately the deadline to
> >                     submit a name for this is Wednesday, 15 November
> >                     2023. How do you all suggest we go about this?
> >
> >                     Warmly,
> >                     Tomslin
> >
> >                     On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
> >                     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com
> >                     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >                         I get it now. Makes sense.
> >
> >                         Warmly,
> >                         Tomslin
> >
> >                         On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius,
> >                         <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> >
> >                             Typically it would be the incoming NCSG
> >                             chair, but when a chair gets
> >                             re-elected, someone else in our (future)
> >                             leadership should get
> >                             to do it - PC chair, for example.
> >
> >                                      Julf
> >
> >
> >                             On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> wrote:
> >                              > Hi Julf,
> >                              >
> >                              > Is your expectation that someone from the
> >                             PC will be selected? Since I
> >                              > don't believe the PC has made a selection
> >                             for this before.
> >                              >
> >                              > Warmly,
> >                              > Tomslin
> >                              > @LinkedIn:
> >                             https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> >                             <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
> >                              > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> >                             <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>>
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan
> >                             Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> >                             <mailto:julf at julf.com>
> >                              > <mailto:julf at julf.com
> >                             <mailto:julf at julf.com>>> wrote:
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >                              >     Subject:        Invitation - RSVP -
> >                             ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
> >                              >     Date:   Fri, 6 Oct 2023 17:43:28 +0000
> >                              >     From:   Public Responsibility Support
> >                             <prs at icann.org <mailto:prs at icann.org>
> >                              >     <mailto:prs at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:prs at icann.org>>>
> >                              >     To:     Johan Helsingius
> >                             <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
> >                             <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com
> >>>
> >                              >     CC:     Sandra Hoferichter
> >                             <info at hoferichter.eu
> >                             <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
> >                              >     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu
> >                             <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>>, Ergys Ramaj
> >                              >     <ergys.ramaj at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
> >                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>>, Andrea
> >                              >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> >                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>>,
> >                              >     Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>
> >                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
> >                             <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>>
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              >
> >                              >     Dear Julf,
> >                              >
> >                              >     It was great having you join us for
> >                             the 2023 ICANN Academy Leadership
> >                              >     Program (LP)!
> >                              >
> >                              >     We are now preparing for the 8^th
> >                               edition of the LP, which is
> >                              >     scheduled
> >                              >     to take place 29 February - 1 March
> >                             2024, two days prior to the
> >                              >     official
> >                              >     start of ICANN79 in San Juan, Puerto
> >                             Rico.
> >                              >
> >                              >     For this program, one seat is
> >                             reserved for a representative from the
> >                              >     NCSG. As you are aware, the program
> >                             is designed for current
> >                              >     /_and_/incoming leaders, helping to
> >                             increase understanding of the
> >                              >     complexity of ICANN and to develop
> >                             facilitation skills, as well as
> >                              >     building a network with other
> >                             leaders. We are aware that understanding
> >                              >     ICANN as an organization, the topics
> >                             discussed within ICANN, and
> >                              >     interaction within other stakeholder
> >                             groups can be challenging for
> >                              >     incoming leaders, but sometimes also
> >                             for experienced leaders. ICANN and
> >                              >     the community are making considerable
> >                             efforts in order to help incoming
> >                              >     leaders have a good start to their
> >                             terms and to provide current leaders
> >                              >     the opportunity to strengthen their
> >                             leadership and facilitation skills.
> >                              >     Opportunities for Leadership Program
> >                             participants include the following:
> >                              >
> >                              >         * Meet leaders from the other
> >                             SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
> >                              >           functionality and issues in
> >                             other groups
> >                              >         * Discuss current ICANN topics in
> >                             an in-depth manner
> >                              >         * Deepen the understanding of key
> >                             ICANN processes
> >                              >         * Develop facilitation and
> >                             leadership skills, focused personal
> >                              >           effectiveness to run meetings
> >                             and foster processes
> >                              >
> >                              >     A preliminary agenda is attached to
> >                             this email. Kindly note that
> >                              >     this is
> >                              >     subject to change.
> >                              >
> >                              >     Accommodation for participants will
> >                             be covered between Wednesday and
> >                              >     Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and
> >                             participants will receive a stipend.
> >                              >     Please note that flights will*NOT*be
> >                             covered under this program, as
> >                              >     incoming and current leaders are
> >                             normally covered by the regular ICANN
> >                              >     travel support. Please ensure that
> >                             the leaders you select are being
> >                              >     covered by ICANN Travel Support for
> >                             their flights to San Juan for
> >                              >     ICANN79.
> >                              >
> >                              >     We would like to ask you to identify
> >                             one incoming or current leader
> >                              >     from
> >                              >     your stakeholder group who is
> >                             interested and available to
> >                              >     participate in
> >                              >     this program. We recommend that you
> >                             also identify an alternate
> >                              >     candidate.
> >                              >
> >                              >     *Kindly forward us the names and
> >                             email addresses of the endorsed
> >                              >     individuals no later than Wednesday,
> >                             15 November 2023, and ask them to
> >                              >     register **here*
> >                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
> >                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>
> >                              >     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
> >                             <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>>***by
> >                             Friday, 17
> >                              >     November 2023.*
> >                              >
> >                              >     We hope this program will meet the
> >                             needs of your community. All
> >                              >     participants will be encouraged to
> >                             partake in an open exchange of their
> >                              >     views, as this will help facilitate
> >                             cross-constituency collaboration
> >                              >     during their terms.
> >                              >
> >                              >     We are happy to answer any questions
> >                             you may have and look forward to
> >                              >     having your group?s participants
> >                             confirmed.
> >                              >
> >                              >     If you would like to learn more about
> >                             the program, Sandra can give a
> >                              >     short presentation at the upcoming
> >                             ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
> >                              >     convenient for your group.
> >                              >
> >                              >     Kind regards,
> >                              >
> >                              >     Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the
> >                             ICANN Academy Working Group
> >                              >
> >                              >     Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity
> >                             Development Program Manager
> >                              >
> >
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From julf at julf.com  Sat Nov  4 17:41:40 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2023 16:41:40 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG seat for ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
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Thanks, Bruna! I wish stuff like this was in the operating procedures.
The timing is really unfortunate.

	Julf

On 04/11/2023 16:39, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> For this call NCSG Chair would normally put out a call for the entire 
> leadership :)
> 
> Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>> schrieb am Sa. 
> 4. Nov. 2023 um 16:38:
> 
>     I was assuming that it is a PC call, as the PC does decide on
>     appointments. If the chair or EC has made the decision in the past,
>     I don't see any reason to change the procedure.
> 
>     Unfortunately we are in the middle of the process of electing/
>     reappointing EC members.
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
> 
>     On 04/11/2023 12:26, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>      > Hi Bruna,
>      >
>      > I appreciate the comments.
>      >
>      >? ?My proposal was based on Julf's explicit recommendation that PC
>     takes
>      > the slot (see my earlier question to Julf). But like I mentioned
>     to Julf
>      > in my question, the PC has not before been asked to make such a
>      > decision,? so I am more than happy for Julf to make the call.
>      >
>      > Warmly,
>      > Tomslin
>      >
>      > On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 21:13 Bruna Martins dos Santos,
>      > <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ?Hey all,
>      >
>      >? ? ?I?m going to open a disagreement here because I don?t think it is
>      >? ? ?fair to exclude wider NCSG leadership - aka NCSG EC members -
>     from
>      >? ? ?this opportunity.
>      >
>      >? ? ?I have taken part of the Leadership Training before and as
>     the name
>      >? ? ?says it?s something that trains upcoming or incoming
>     leadership from
>      >? ? ?communities. It?s not a policy exclusive program that would
>     justify
>      >? ? ?using the slots exclusively for PC members.
>      >
>      >? ? ?I understand that we need to bring in more people to the PC
>      >? ? ?leadership role but I wouldn?t use this training as an
>     opportunity
>      >? ? ?for doing so. And would not like for us to take the chance of
>      >? ? ?attending this training away from current NCSG EC members if
>     any of
>      >? ? ?them would also like to attend. Plus here I truly believe it?s a
>      >? ? ?decision that Julf should make instead of PC.
>      >
>      >? ? ?Apologies for disagreeing w/ the suggested approach.
>      >
>      >? ? ?Kind regards,
>      >? ? ?Bruna
>      >
>      >? ? ?Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com
>     <mailto:wisdom.dk at gmail.com> <mailto:wisdom.dk at gmail.com
>     <mailto:wisdom.dk at gmail.com>>>
>      >? ? ?schrieb am Sa. 4. Nov. 2023 um 07:13:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ?No objection?from me
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ?On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 4:55 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>      >? ? ? ? ?<mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Hi Juan, all,
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?I gave this a bit of further thought. I realised in the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?past, it was pretty straightforward because the
>     criteria was
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?simply NCSG leadership to attend.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?In the same way, to avoid an unnecessary very complex
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?process, I recommend we limit the criteria to Policy
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Committee leadership. Another reason for limiting it to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership is for it to act as incentive to encourage
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?members who would otherwise not be interested in PC
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership to consider it.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?NCSG charter allows for a chair and 2 vice-chairs in PC
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership. We currently have only one vice-chair
>     because no
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?one else was interested.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Following my proposal above, in terms of eligibility for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?this LP seat, only myself and the vice-chair, Peter
>     Akinremi
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?are eligible. As current chair, I naturally would
>     love for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?vice-chairs to be confident enough to become chair,
>     despite
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?the fact that there hasn't been any precedent of
>     this. NCSG
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?struggled to have someone volunteer to be PC chair after
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rafik. That is not something I'd like to see
>     repeating. So,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?my proposal is for the current vice-chair (Akinremi
>     Peter)
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?to take this LP seat that has been offered to the PC.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Can members let me know if they object to this proposal.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Warmly,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tomslin
>      >
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 01:18 Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ?<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>     <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dear Tomslin and all,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I'd like to suggest Wisdom Donkor as a candidate
>     to be
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?on the LP 2024, if he hadn't the chance before.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?*JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?NPOC Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Master IT candidate, UNAD
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>      > http://www.jmanurojas.com <http://www.jmanurojas.com>
>     <http://www.jmanurojas.com <http://www.jmanurojas.com>>
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas
>     <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>>/
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>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?El jueves, 2 de noviembre de 2023, 08:39:12 a.?m.
>     GMT-5,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com
>     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com
>     <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>>> escribi?:
>      >
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?For me, I would suggest you attend as the current
>     policy
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?chair except we can get the new PC chair elected
>     before
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the deadline.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Regards
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?On Wed, 1 Nov 2023, 1:43 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com> <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Hi team,
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?The PC has been asked to select someone to attend
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the above program from PC leadership. I was
>     hoping
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?we'd elect a new PC leadership before making
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the?decision but unfortunately the deadline to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?submit a name for this is?Wednesday, 15 November
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?2023. How do you all suggest?we go about this?
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Warmly,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tomslin
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 03:29 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I get it now. Makes sense.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Warmly,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Tomslin
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?On Thu, 12 Oct 2023, 02:40 Johan Helsingius,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Typically it would be the incoming NCSG
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?chair, but when a chair gets
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?re-elected, someone else in our (future)
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership should get
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?to do it - PC chair, for example.
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Julf
>      >
>      >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?On 09/10/2023 22:03, Tomslin
>     Samme-Nlar wrote:
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Hi Julf,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Is your expectation that someone
>     from the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?PC will be selected? Since I
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > don't believe the PC has made a
>     selection
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?for this before.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Warmly,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > Tomslin
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > @LinkedIn:
>      > https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>     <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > On Tue, 10 Oct 2023 at 00:38, Johan
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > <mailto:julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>> wrote:
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?-------- Forwarded Message
>     --------
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Subject:? ? ? ? Invitation -
>     RSVP -
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ICANN Leadership Program (LP) 2024
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Date:? ?Fri, 6 Oct 2023
>     17:43:28 +0000
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?From:? ?Public Responsibility
>     Support
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<prs at icann.org <mailto:prs at icann.org>
>     <mailto:prs at icann.org <mailto:prs at icann.org>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?<mailto:prs at icann.org
>     <mailto:prs at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:prs at icann.org
>     <mailto:prs at icann.org>>>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?To:? ? ?Johan Helsingius
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com> <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?CC:? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<info at hoferichter.eu
>     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:info at hoferichter.eu
>     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?<mailto:info at hoferichter.eu
>     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:info at hoferichter.eu
>     <mailto:info at hoferichter.eu>>>>, Ergys Ramaj
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?<ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>     <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>     <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>     <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org
>     <mailto:ergys.ramaj at icann.org>>>>, Andrea
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Glandon
>     <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>>>,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Carlos Reyes
>     <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org
>     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Dear Julf,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?It was great having you join
>     us for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the 2023 ICANN Academy Leadership
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Program (LP)!
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?We are now preparing for the 8^th
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?edition of the LP, which is
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?scheduled
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?to take place 29 February - 1
>     March
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?2024, two days prior to the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?official
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?start of ICANN79 in San Juan,
>     Puerto
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Rico.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?For this program, one seat is
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?reserved for a representative from the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?NCSG. As you are aware, the
>     program
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?is designed for current
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?/_and_/incoming leaders,
>     helping to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?increase understanding of the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?complexity of ICANN and to develop
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?facilitation skills, as well as
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?building a network with other
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?leaders. We are aware that understanding
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?ICANN as an organization, the
>     topics
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?discussed within ICANN, and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?interaction within other
>     stakeholder
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?groups can be challenging for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?incoming leaders, but
>     sometimes also
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?for experienced leaders. ICANN and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?the community are making
>     considerable
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?efforts in order to help incoming
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?leaders have a good start to their
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?terms and to provide current leaders
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?the opportunity to strengthen
>     their
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership and facilitation skills.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Opportunities for Leadership
>     Program
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?participants include the following:
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ?* Meet leaders from the other
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?SOs/ACs and get an insight of the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ? ?functionality and issues in
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?other groups
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ?* Discuss current ICANN
>     topics in
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?an in-depth manner
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ?* Deepen the understanding
>     of key
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ICANN processes
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ?* Develop facilitation and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?leadership skills, focused personal
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? ? ? ?effectiveness to run
>     meetings
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?and foster processes
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?A preliminary agenda is
>     attached to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?this email. Kindly note that
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?this is
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?subject to change.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Accommodation for participants
>     will
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?be covered between Wednesday and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Thursday, 28-29 February 2024, and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?participants will receive a stipend.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Please note that flights
>     will*NOT*be
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?covered under this program, as
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?incoming and current leaders are
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?normally covered by the regular ICANN
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?travel support. Please ensure that
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the leaders you select are being
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?covered by ICANN Travel
>     Support for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?their flights to San Juan for
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?ICANN79.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?We would like to ask you to
>     identify
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?one incoming or current leader
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?from
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?your stakeholder group who is
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?interested and available to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?participate in
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?this program. We recommend
>     that you
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?also identify an alternate
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?candidate.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?*Kindly forward us the names and
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?email addresses of the endorsed
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?individuals no later than
>     Wednesday,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?15 November 2023, and ask them to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?register **here*
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >   
>      ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?<https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6
>     <https://forms.gle/cvr6qt5jRXGQKQNo6>>>>***by
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Friday, 17
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?November 2023.*
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?We hope this program will meet the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?needs of your community. All
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?participants will be encouraged to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?partake in an open exchange of their
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?views, as this will help
>     facilitate
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?cross-constituency collaboration
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?during their terms.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?We are happy to answer any
>     questions
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?you may have and look forward to
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?having your group?s participants
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?confirmed.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?If you would like to learn
>     more about
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?the program, Sandra can give a
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?short presentation at the upcoming
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ICANN78 meeting at a time that is
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?convenient for your group.
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Kind regards,
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Sandra Hoferichter, Chair of the
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ICANN Academy Working Group
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >? ? ?Fernanda Iunes, ICANN Capacity
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Development Program Manager
>      >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >
>      >                             
>      ?_______________________________________________
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 02:31:21 2023
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2023 19:31:21 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d0_fNkpa0ksNp8H+ZhjO5BUTfAjbR2Zn=DajwHG2nYCdaA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear PC,

I would like to express my interest in the Policy Chair position to
continue the excellent job Tomlin is doing for the community.

As the current Vice PC chair, I have slowly observed the responsibility and
commitment of the PC and as a result, I would be happy to serve the
community in this capacity.


Regards.
Peter

On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 2:23?PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi PC members,
>
> I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
> Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
> ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.
>
> ..........
>
> POSITION
>
> Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair tasks
> can be summarized into:
>
>
>    -
>
>    Managing PC work:
>    -
>       -
>
>       Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
>       -
>
>       Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
>       comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
>       -
>
>       Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough
>       volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
>       -
>
>       Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them
>       for reporting and updates; e
>       -
>
>       Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
>       council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.
>
>
>    -
>
>    Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP 3.0
>    small team);
>    -
>
>    Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
>    updates;
>    -
>
>    Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment
>    of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC
>    meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
>    -
>
>    Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
>    -
>
>    Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
>    communication with other SG/C;
>    -
>
>    Work with PC vice-chairs.
>
>
> IMPORTANT INFO
>
>
>    -
>
>    This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
>    NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
>    -
>
>    Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be sent
>    to the Policy Committee List;
>    -
>
>    After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
>    expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
>    by 8th November;
>
>
>
> TIMELINE
>
>
>
> 1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November
>
>    -
>
>    The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the
>    8th of November.
>
>
>
> 2- Election: from 9th to 14th November
>
> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
> will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
> candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
>
>
>
> 3- Results: should be available by 15th November
>
> The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
> winner.
>
>
>
>
>
> VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS
>
>
>
> Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest
> will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2
> Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
> is no objection within PC.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>


-- 
Best regards

*Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
------ ------ -------  ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ ------- ------
------ -------  ------ ------
*Policy Advisory | Data Governance and Privacy Consultant | Information
Security & Cybersecurity | Certified Salesforce Administrator*
*Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
*Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com, peterexecute at gmail.com
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From lizorembo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 09:54:03 2023
From: lizorembo at gmail.com (Liz Orembo)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2023 10:54:03 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d0_fNkpa0ksNp8H+ZhjO5BUTfAjbR2Zn=DajwHG2nYCdaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGK4d0_fNkpa0ksNp8H+ZhjO5BUTfAjbR2Zn=DajwHG2nYCdaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHHjpePne8YkaPqVKOu5MScyAoTx0dciWixbdySNFZxjufFpEw@mail.gmail.com>

When is the election of vice chair?  I would like to put my name forward as
the vice chair to get a more active role in ICANN and NCSG.

I believe I have the necessary requirements

On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 03:31, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear PC,
>
> I would like to express my interest in the Policy Chair position to
> continue the excellent job Tomlin is doing for the community.
>
> As the current Vice PC chair, I have slowly observed the responsibility
> and commitment of the PC and as a result, I would be happy to serve the
> community in this capacity.
>
>
> Regards.
> Peter
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 2:23?PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi PC members,
>>
>> I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
>> Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
>> ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.
>>
>> ..........
>>
>> POSITION
>>
>> Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair
>> tasks can be summarized into:
>>
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    Managing PC work:
>>    -
>>       -
>>
>>       Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
>>       -
>>
>>       Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
>>       comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
>>       -
>>
>>       Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough
>>       volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
>>       -
>>
>>       Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them
>>       for reporting and updates; e
>>       -
>>
>>       Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
>>       council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.
>>
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP
>>    3.0 small team);
>>    -
>>
>>    Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
>>    updates;
>>    -
>>
>>    Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment
>>    of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC
>>    meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
>>    -
>>
>>    Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
>>    -
>>
>>    Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
>>    communication with other SG/C;
>>    -
>>
>>    Work with PC vice-chairs.
>>
>>
>> IMPORTANT INFO
>>
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
>>    NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
>>    -
>>
>>    Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be
>>    sent to the Policy Committee List;
>>    -
>>
>>    After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
>>    expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
>>    by 8th November;
>>
>>
>>
>> TIMELINE
>>
>>
>>
>> 1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the
>>    8th of November.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2- Election: from 9th to 14th November
>>
>> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
>> will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
>> candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3- Results: should be available by 15th November
>>
>> The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
>> winner.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS
>>
>>
>>
>> Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest
>> will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2
>> Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
>> is no objection within PC.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
> ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ ------- ------
> ------ -------  ------ ------
> *Policy Advisory | Data Governance and Privacy Consultant | Information
> Security & Cybersecurity | Certified Salesforce Administrator*
> *Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
> *Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com, peterexecute at gmail.com
> ___________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 00:50:45 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:50:45 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] CPH DNS Abuse Calls Point of Contact
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWX0GDfv3+qb3iMn-hwCPM_xLT1MPhrLCFano5GTo9yow@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

In Hamburg, the council was told that the CPH has open DNS Abuse meetings,
and plans to invite SGs/Cs/ACs to share information to inform projects and
develop possible inputs to each meeting. As a result, councillors were
asked to provide the name of anyone interested in being the designated DNS
Abuse point of contact for their stakeholder group or constituency.

It is in this regard that I am sending this email. Is there anyone who's
been following the DNS Abuse topic in GNSO who would like to volunteer to
be that point of contact?

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 01:15:03 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:15:03 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject Matter
 Experts
In-Reply-To: <e83668e8-e7e0-47d9-bbd0-f900489e254c@Julf.com>
References: <E4486F73-E527-4A8F-A4FC-26704412F0EA@icann.org>
 <e83668e8-e7e0-47d9-bbd0-f900489e254c@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXmWDYOWxCnN7uaHtQsMdPZpn9Z1afM6edwYvYvUVyFTg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NCSG members,

We had a (incomplete) discussion on the mailing list as early as 4 days ago
regarding the SubPro Small team Plus idea. @farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> articulated why NCSG shouldn't encourage nor
support the idea and @Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> argued that we
have reason to support the idea. If you didn't or missed the discussion,
please search the list for the following topic to catch up: *Re: Fwd:
[council] [GNSO-SubProPendingRecs-ST] Point of Order - Sub Pro Pending
Recommendations Small Team Work*

In that same discussion, @Stephanie Perrin
<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> requested help from our members to join
it since the Small Team Plus will move ahead. You will find below an
official request for subject matter experts (1 expert and 1 alternate) to
join the Small Team Plus.

My question to you as policy chair is, should we proceed to appoint an
expert as requested by the small team? If yes, who would love to volunteer
as the expert to the small team and who as an alternate?

Please let the policy committee know.

Warmly,
Tomslin


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        Call for Subject Matter Experts | SubPro Pending
Recommendations Small team
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2023 00:53:41 +0000
From:   Devan Reed <devan.reed at icann.org>
To:     julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, Andrea Glandon
<andrea.glandon at icann.org>
CC:     gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, Paul Mcgrady -- Valid
email <paul at elstermcgrady.com>, Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, Julie
Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>



**Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward 3 Subject Matter
Experts/Alternates.

Dear Julf,

As you may be aware, the GNSO Council has tasked
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>
the SubPro Pending Recommendations Small team to develop proposed
modifications to the SubPro non-adopted Board recommendations to attempt
to address the Board?s concerns.

Each group is hereby invited to put forward one subject matter expert
plus alternate to help inform this assignment, in addition to the
Council member or liaison that may already be a member of the small team
(see here <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ> for current
membership). Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward three Subject
Matter Experts/Alternates. The small team assignment form
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>
foresees that: ?At a minimum, SMEs are expected to be familiar, or
familiarize themselves, with the SubPro Initial Report and Final Report
sections on these specific topics as well as small team deliberations to
date,? so it is up to you to determine what you consider to be
?expertise? in this context.

As we recognize that your group may not be interested in every single
topic or may have different SMEs it would like to assign depending on
the topic, we would like to encourage you to review the workplan that
has been included at the bottom of this message that outlines the
proposed planning and scheduling of topics.

*_Please communicate by 17 November at the latest the names of the SME
and alternate that your group is putting forward to
gnso-secs at icann.org._* Please also indicate if the SME is only joining
for a specific topic or topics. The first meeting of the small team plus
will take place on 27 November at 14.00 UTC.

As a reminder, the small team plus has been tasked to develop proposed
modifications that are focused on addressing the Board?s concerns. This
is not an opportunity to bring new issues to the table or reopen
previous conversations. As a result, the deliberations are expected to
be focused, narrow, and swift. To facilitate the work of the small team,
dedicated briefings will be provided for each topic to ensure that
members have the relevant information available. In addition, the
current small team members are working on draft proposals that are
intended to help kick-start the deliberations.

Please also note that there will be other opportunities for input. At a
minimum, it is the expectation that the small team plus will host a prep
week session to brief the community on the proposed changes to the
recommendations which is then followed by an ICANN79 session to obtain
community feedback before the final Supplemental Recommendations are
submitted to the GNSO Council.

*When*



*What *



*Whom*

27 Nov



- Introduction of new members & overview of approach & next steps

- Commence review of Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial
support)



Small Team Plus

4 Dec



- Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? continue
deliberations

- Commence review of Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued
Operations Instrument (COI))



Small Team Plus

11 Dec



- Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? finalize
deliberations

- Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued Operations Instrument
(COI)) ? finalize proposed modification

- Commence review of Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of
confusing similarity and string contention) & Recommendation 24.5
(single / plurals)



Small Team Plus

18 Dec



- Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

8 Jan



- Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? finalize
deliberations

- Commence review of Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption /
Waiver)



Small Team Plus

15 Jan



- Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? deliberate
proposed modification



Small Team Plus

22 Jan



- Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? finalize
proposed modification

- Commence review of recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) &
recommendation 18.3 (covenant not to sue) in combination with
Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism that allows specific parties to challenge
or appeal), Recommendation 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for
challenge/appeal processes) and Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should
not does not cause excessive, unnecessary costs or delays in the
application process)



Small Team Plus

29 Jan



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

5 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

12 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

19 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? finalize
deliberations



Small Team Plus

Week of 19 Feb (TBC)



- Prep week session to brief community on proposed changes to
recommendations



Small Team Plus

2-7 March

ICANN79



- ICANN79 session to obtain community feedback on proposed changes to
recommendations



Small Team Plus

18 March



- Review of community feedback & updating of proposed modifications as
deemed appropriate



Small Team Plus

25 March



- Continued review of community feedback & updating of proposed
modifications as deemed appropriate



Small Team Plus

1 April



- Finalize review & updates of proposed modifications



Small Team Plus

Week of 1 April



- Submit Supplemental Recommendations (modified recommendations) to the
GNSO Council for its consideration



Small Team Lead

April Council meeting



- Council consideration of Supplemental Recommendations



Council

After April Council meeting



- Assuming Council adoption, submission to the ICANN Board of the
Supplemental Recommendations



GNSO Secretariat

May / June



- Board consideration of Supplemental Recommendations



ICANN Board

Thank you.

Kind regards,

*Devan Reed*
Secretariat Operations Coordinator

Policy Development Team
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

www.icann.org
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 01:17:44 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 10:17:44 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers: Continuous Improvement Program
 Community Coordination Group (CIP-CCG) Representative
In-Reply-To: <CAFjNNRoTLV7RKaDeXX_+NCJwF-cCSEH=n7Tzp7MWp-70n74DWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeVhTyQh-mtviqCoVVesD+P7NB-KWT2E3uApm10E0UQAqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <9534dc68-7bed-4cce-afa9-8634d9d262ac@julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeXMkRcgp+FLT3toY6S+x1ggrvWVAX5bEbE5xHVc1DXsPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFjNNRoTLV7RKaDeXX_+NCJwF-cCSEH=n7Tzp7MWp-70n74DWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWM=ijYpzpQwKqmXUaMyZejre5Wn7Nx-sg=SS9qWAXvZw@mail.gmail.com>

FYI regarding Julf's request that volunteers / candidates describe their
familiarity with Organizational Reviews and knowledge of continuous
improvement work inside or outside of ICANN.

Warmly,
Tomslin



---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: John Gbadamosi <john at mediarightsagenda.org>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 00:41
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers: Continuous Improvement Program Community
Coordination Group (CIP-CCG) Representative
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>


*Organizational Reviews*

As part of its commitment to transparency, accountability, and continuous
improvement, ICANN regularly conducts organizational reviews. The primary
purpose of these reviews is to evaluate ICANN's performance and its
effectiveness in fulfilling its mission of serving the global Internet
community. These assessments cover various aspects of ICANN's operations,
including governance structures, policy development processes, financial
management, accountability mechanisms, and management of critical Internet
functions such as domain name systems (DNS) and IP address allocation.

To maintain objectivity and impartiality, ICANN employs independent
third-party evaluators who have expertise in organizational assessments and
who are not affiliated with ICANN. These evaluators gather input and
feedback from a diverse group of stakeholders including the Internet
community, governments, businesses, and civil society through an extensive
stakeholder engagement process. The valuable insights they obtain from
these stakeholders aid in developing a comprehensive evaluation of ICANN's
performance and identifying areas for improvement. After the evaluation
process, the evaluators present their findings and recommendations, which
may include operational enhancements and changes in governance structures.

ICANN takes these recommendations seriously and is committed to
implementing them to improve its operations and better serve the global
Internet community. It's important to note that ICANN conducts various
types of reviews, including those of its Supporting Organizations and
Advisory Committees, in addition to its organizational review. These
reviews are essential to maintaining ICANN's accountability, transparency,
and responsiveness to the changing needs of the global Internet community.

*Continuous improvement work either within or outside of ICANN*

. Within ICANN, this could encompass ongoing efforts to streamline policy
development processes, optimize the allocation of domain names and IP
addresses, improve financial management practices, and enhance governance
structures. ICANN is also engaged in iterative improvements to its
stakeholder engagement methods, transparency initiatives, and
accountability mechanisms. These efforts are aimed at ensuring that ICANN
remains responsive to the ever-evolving needs of the global Internet
community and continues to fulfill its mission effectively.

Continuous improvement work outside of ICANN often involves data-driven
analysis, employee engagement, and a culture of innovation to drive ongoing
positive changes that lead to increased efficiency, customer satisfaction,
and overall organizational effectiveness.

On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 6:06?AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Julf.
> That would be very helpful for the PC to be able to objectively select
> from those whove expressed interest.
>
> @Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>  @John Gbadamosi
> <john at mediarightsagenda.org>  @Bruna Martins dos Santos
> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>  @frankwesia at yahoo.com can you provide a
> description of your familiarity with Organizational Reviews and knowledge
> of continuous improvement work either within or outside of ICANN?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 00:17 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>
>> I would suggest volunteers / candidates describe their familiarity with
>> Organizational Reviews and knowledge of continuous improvement work
>> outside of ICANN.
>>
>>         Julf
>>
>>
>> On 02/11/2023 20:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>> > Dear members,
>> >
>> > The Continuous Improvement Program Community Coordination Group
>> > (CIP-CCG) terms of reference calls for each SO, AC, GNSO Stakeholder
>> > Group, and Regional At-Large Organization (RALO) to appoint one (1)
>> > representative to the Group.
>> >
>> > Regarding the representative, the ToR recommends the following
>> > skill/expertise:
>> >
>> > "*It will be useful to have some representatives with familiarity with
>> > Organizational Reviews, but also representatives with knowledge of
>> > continuous improvement work outside of ICANN; those that can contribute
>> > new and innovative ideas for improving the effectiveness and the
>> > accountability of the different ICANN structures*."
>> > If anyone would like to volunteer, please let me know by Tuesday 7th
>> > November for the PC to evaluate.
>> >
>> > _*More info on CIP-CCG:*_
>> >
>> > The Third Accountability and Transparency Review (ATRT3) Recommendation
>> > 3.6 calls for Organizational Reviews to be evolved into a Continuous
>> > Improvement Program (CIP). The recommendation to create a Continuous
>> > Improvement Program states that ICANN org shall work with each
>> > Supporting Organization (SO), Advisory Committee (AC) and their
>> > stakeholder groups, and the Nominating Committee (NomCom) to establish
>> a
>> > Continuous Improvement Program. It will include an annual satisfaction
>> > survey of members/participants, and a regular assessment, including a
>> > summary of continuous improvements published at least every three years.
>> >
>> > As the ICANN Community considers the implementation of ATRT3
>> > Recommendation 3.6 as it relates to each community structure and for
>> the
>> > ICANN Community overall, the CIP Community Coordination Group is
>> > intended to serve as a forum to exchange best practices, lessons
>> > learned, as well as for sharing information and progress related to
>> > already existing community continuous improvement activities. The
>> > representatives in the CIP-CCG will share best practices and
>> collaborate
>> > on community-wide implementation of ATRT3 Recommendation 3.6, while
>> > relaying information back to their constituencies to inform the process
>> > and voice decisions.
>> >
>> > Warmly,
>> > Tomslin
>> >
>>
>>

-- 
John Gbadamosi
Programme Officer, Digital Rights
Media Rights Agenda
Internet of Rights (IoR) Fellow
Article 19, UK
+2348099817296
john at mediarightsagenda.org
@Samjohn70
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 06:01:42 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:01:42 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUna75gmGux9QLvFiz8Bv4=d6vhxN8daRLvOygnUWyK0g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear PC members, staff

The nomination period has ended and we had only one person (Peter) who
volunteered.
@Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org> or @Daniel Gluck
<daniel.gluck at icann.org>  can I ask you to please help manage the voting
please? There is only one candidate, Akenremi Peter, so I guess he will be
going against NOTA.
Let's have the voting open between today and the 15th November. All current
PC members are required to vote.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:23, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi PC members,
>
> I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
> Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
> ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.
>
> ..........
>
> POSITION
>
> Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair tasks
> can be summarized into:
>
>
>    -
>
>    Managing PC work:
>    -
>       -
>
>       Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
>       -
>
>       Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
>       comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
>       -
>
>       Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough
>       volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
>       -
>
>       Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them
>       for reporting and updates; e
>       -
>
>       Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
>       council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.
>
>
>    -
>
>    Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP 3.0
>    small team);
>    -
>
>    Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
>    updates;
>    -
>
>    Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment
>    of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC
>    meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
>    -
>
>    Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
>    -
>
>    Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
>    communication with other SG/C;
>    -
>
>    Work with PC vice-chairs.
>
>
> IMPORTANT INFO
>
>
>    -
>
>    This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
>    NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
>    -
>
>    Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be sent
>    to the Policy Committee List;
>    -
>
>    After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
>    expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
>    by 8th November;
>
>
>
> TIMELINE
>
>
>
> 1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November
>
>    -
>
>    The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the
>    8th of November.
>
>
>
> 2- Election: from 9th to 14th November
>
> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
> will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
> candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
>
>
>
> 3- Results: should be available by 15th November
>
> The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
> winner.
>
>
>
>
>
> VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS
>
>
>
> Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest
> will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2
> Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
> is no objection within PC.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 06:03:17 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:03:17 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAHHjpePne8YkaPqVKOu5MScyAoTx0dciWixbdySNFZxjufFpEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGK4d0_fNkpa0ksNp8H+ZhjO5BUTfAjbR2Zn=DajwHG2nYCdaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHHjpePne8YkaPqVKOu5MScyAoTx0dciWixbdySNFZxjufFpEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeV+1zmTxz-m3LnYtyvkMdv_jCbz41S3_WKVwYXeP9S-ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Liz,

As per the procedure, once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a
second call for interest will be issued at this list and the PC members can
elect up to 2 Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be
confirmed if there is no objection within PC.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 18:54, Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com> wrote:

> When is the election of vice chair?  I would like to put my name forward
> as the vice chair to get a more active role in ICANN and NCSG.
>
> I believe I have the necessary requirements
>
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2023 at 03:31, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear PC,
>>
>> I would like to express my interest in the Policy Chair position to
>> continue the excellent job Tomlin is doing for the community.
>>
>> As the current Vice PC chair, I have slowly observed the responsibility
>> and commitment of the PC and as a result, I would be happy to serve the
>> community in this capacity.
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>> Peter
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 2:23?PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi PC members,
>>>
>>> I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair.
>>> Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to
>>> ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.
>>>
>>> ..........
>>>
>>> POSITION
>>>
>>> Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair
>>> tasks can be summarized into:
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Managing PC work:
>>>    -
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public
>>>       comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough
>>>       volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with
>>>       them for reporting and updates; e
>>>       -
>>>
>>>       Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO
>>>       council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP
>>>    3.0 small team);
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get
>>>    updates;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments,
>>>    selection/appointment of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy
>>>    calls and PC meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and
>>>    communication with other SG/C;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Work with PC vice-chairs.
>>>
>>>
>>> IMPORTANT INFO
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from
>>>    NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be
>>>    sent to the Policy Committee List;
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and
>>>    expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list
>>>    by 8th November;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TIMELINE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November
>>>
>>>    -
>>>
>>>    The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the
>>>    8th of November.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2- Election: from 9th to 14th November
>>>
>>> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support
>>> staff will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be
>>> the candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3- Results: should be available by 15th November
>>>
>>> The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
>>> winner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for
>>> interest will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to
>>> 2 Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there
>>> is no objection within PC.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>>
>> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
>> ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ ------- ------
>> ------ -------  ------ ------
>> *Policy Advisory | Data Governance and Privacy Consultant | Information
>> Security & Cybersecurity | Certified Salesforce Administrator*
>> *Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
>> *Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com, peterexecute at gmail.com
>> ___________________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 14:55:46 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 23:55:46 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] PC meeting agenda
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeU3vihs7o-CWhf6uw=J0_P-iTTRxjfjf9tZTkvmMm6y3w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi team,

Your input to the draft PC agenda would be appreciated. Please suggest
topics you would like us to discuss on Monday. There were some ideas
floated in Hamburg, add them in.

 Here is the Google doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nb9DwJKuroBG56dyHxhVUIOCSjTxagvIKXb69bVdP0A/edit?usp=sharing

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 21:40:16 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 06:40:16 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft comment
that Bolu is leading
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing

Warmly,
Tomslin


On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
> comment for our SG.
>
> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
> volunteer,  please reach out.
>
> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Nov 14 00:21:11 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 22:21:11 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUna75gmGux9QLvFiz8Bv4=d6vhxN8daRLvOygnUWyK0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeUTy+rNAOFqMn8voGGJngTOJwyyU_2gytx+sW2vbLeeyw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUna75gmGux9QLvFiz8Bv4=d6vhxN8daRLvOygnUWyK0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B01BC79-CB78-457A-9287-A0146324BCA8@icann.org>

Hello all,

My apologies for the late response, as we had a US holiday on Friday. I will send out a Tally vote today and will close the vote on Friday, 17 November at 23:59 UTC.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 22:02
To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>
Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi at yahoo.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] Re: NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election

Dear PC members, staff

The nomination period has ended and we had only one person (Peter) who volunteered.
@Andrea Glandon<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org> or @Daniel Gluck<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>  can I ask you to please help manage the voting please? There is only one candidate, Akenremi Peter, so I guess he will be going against NOTA.
Let's have the voting open between today and the 15th November. All current PC members are required to vote.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 05:23, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi PC members,

I am writing to call for the election of the Policy Committee Chair. Normally this is started towards the end of October but I delayed it to ensure we have all the constituency representatives added to the list first.

..........


POSITION


Policy Committee Chair over the course of a 1 year term.  The chair tasks can be summarized into:


  *   Managing PC work:
?

     *   Acting as project manager and tracking tasks and activities;
     *   Following closely policy discussions, initiatives and public comments. Liaising with drafting team for public comments;
     *   Following closely the deadlines, ensuring NCSG has enough volunteers to draft comments and delivering in a timely manner;
     *   Identify NCSG members participating in PDP WG and liaise with them for reporting and updates; e
     *   Organize the appointment of NCSG representatives by PC to GNSO council committees, PDP WG when there is a call for members etc.

  *   Liaising with GNSO Council work and its committees (SSC, SCBO, PDP 3.0 small team);
  *   Track progress for working groups and approaching members to get updates;
  *   Planning tasks (e.g. review of public comments, selection/appointment of NCSG representatives), schedule the NCSG policy calls and PC meetings, sharing agendas with PC members for review;
  *   Plan and schedule topic webinars on policy issue;
  *   Liaising with NCSG chair regarding NCSG letters to board and communication with other SG/C;
  *   Work with PC vice-chairs.


IMPORTANT INFO


  *   This is a call open to all NCSG councillors and representatives from NCUC and NPOC to Policy Committee;
  *   Nominations and self-nominations are both permitted and should be sent to the Policy Committee List;
  *   After the nominations, a candidate's confirmation of acceptance and expression of interest should be sent to the Policy Committee mailing list by 8th November;


TIMELINE



1- Nomination period: from 2nd November to 8th November

?         The nominee should accept the nomination and send a short SOI by the 8th of November.



2- Election: from 9th to 14th November

Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.



3- Results: should be available by 15th November

The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared winner.





VICE-CHAIRS APPOINTMENTS



Once the Policy Committee Chair is confirmed, a second call for interest will be issued at this list and the PC members can elect up to 2 Vice-chairs. The appointment of the volunteers will be confirmed if there is no objection within PC.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 22:22:31 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 07:22:31 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Call for Volunteers: Continuous Improvement Program
 Community Coordination Group (CIP-CCG) Representative
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeWM=ijYpzpQwKqmXUaMyZejre5Wn7Nx-sg=SS9qWAXvZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear PC,

We received 4 expressions of interest to this call for volunteers to the
CIP-CCG. However, Caleb has since withdrawn his interest,leaving only the
following:

   1. John Gbadamosi
   2. Bruna
   3. Francis Amaning

Julf recommended that the candidates should describe their familiarity with
Organizational Reviews and knowledge of continuous improvement work inside
or outside of ICANN, and only John sent something, which wasn't a
description of his experience, but a description of the review.

We (The PC) need to select one of the candidates and inform staff of our
selection, since I believe they want to convene the team in December.
*The Ask*: Could each of you let me know what your selection is please?


Warmly,
Tomslin



On Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 10:17, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> FYI regarding Julf's request that volunteers / candidates describe their
> familiarity with Organizational Reviews and knowledge of continuous
> improvement work inside or outside of ICANN.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: John Gbadamosi <john at mediarightsagenda.org>
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 at 00:41
> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers: Continuous Improvement Program Community
> Coordination Group (CIP-CCG) Representative
> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>
>
> *Organizational Reviews*
>
> As part of its commitment to transparency, accountability, and continuous
> improvement, ICANN regularly conducts organizational reviews. The primary
> purpose of these reviews is to evaluate ICANN's performance and its
> effectiveness in fulfilling its mission of serving the global Internet
> community. These assessments cover various aspects of ICANN's operations,
> including governance structures, policy development processes, financial
> management, accountability mechanisms, and management of critical Internet
> functions such as domain name systems (DNS) and IP address allocation.
>
> To maintain objectivity and impartiality, ICANN employs independent
> third-party evaluators who have expertise in organizational assessments and
> who are not affiliated with ICANN. These evaluators gather input and
> feedback from a diverse group of stakeholders including the Internet
> community, governments, businesses, and civil society through an extensive
> stakeholder engagement process. The valuable insights they obtain from
> these stakeholders aid in developing a comprehensive evaluation of ICANN's
> performance and identifying areas for improvement. After the evaluation
> process, the evaluators present their findings and recommendations, which
> may include operational enhancements and changes in governance structures.
>
> ICANN takes these recommendations seriously and is committed to
> implementing them to improve its operations and better serve the global
> Internet community. It's important to note that ICANN conducts various
> types of reviews, including those of its Supporting Organizations and
> Advisory Committees, in addition to its organizational review. These
> reviews are essential to maintaining ICANN's accountability, transparency,
> and responsiveness to the changing needs of the global Internet community.
>
> *Continuous improvement work either within or outside of ICANN*
>
> . Within ICANN, this could encompass ongoing efforts to streamline policy
> development processes, optimize the allocation of domain names and IP
> addresses, improve financial management practices, and enhance governance
> structures. ICANN is also engaged in iterative improvements to its
> stakeholder engagement methods, transparency initiatives, and
> accountability mechanisms. These efforts are aimed at ensuring that ICANN
> remains responsive to the ever-evolving needs of the global Internet
> community and continues to fulfill its mission effectively.
>
> Continuous improvement work outside of ICANN often involves data-driven
> analysis, employee engagement, and a culture of innovation to drive ongoing
> positive changes that lead to increased efficiency, customer satisfaction,
> and overall organizational effectiveness.
>
> On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 6:06?AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Julf.
>> That would be very helpful for the PC to be able to objectively select
>> from those whove expressed interest.
>>
>> @Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>  @John Gbadamosi
>> <john at mediarightsagenda.org>  @Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>  @frankwesia at yahoo.com can you provide a
>> description of your familiarity with Organizational Reviews and knowledge
>> of continuous improvement work either within or outside of ICANN?
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Nov 2023, 00:17 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would suggest volunteers / candidates describe their familiarity with
>>> Organizational Reviews and knowledge of continuous improvement work
>>> outside of ICANN.
>>>
>>>         Julf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/11/2023 20:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>> > Dear members,
>>> >
>>> > The Continuous Improvement Program Community Coordination Group
>>> > (CIP-CCG) terms of reference calls for each SO, AC, GNSO Stakeholder
>>> > Group, and Regional At-Large Organization (RALO) to appoint one (1)
>>> > representative to the Group.
>>> >
>>> > Regarding the representative, the ToR recommends the following
>>> > skill/expertise:
>>> >
>>> > "*It will be useful to have some representatives with familiarity with
>>> > Organizational Reviews, but also representatives with knowledge of
>>> > continuous improvement work outside of ICANN; those that can
>>> contribute
>>> > new and innovative ideas for improving the effectiveness and the
>>> > accountability of the different ICANN structures*."
>>> > If anyone would like to volunteer, please let me know by Tuesday 7th
>>> > November for the PC to evaluate.
>>> >
>>> > _*More info on CIP-CCG:*_
>>> >
>>> > The Third Accountability and Transparency Review (ATRT3)
>>> Recommendation
>>> > 3.6 calls for Organizational Reviews to be evolved into a Continuous
>>> > Improvement Program (CIP). The recommendation to create a Continuous
>>> > Improvement Program states that ICANN org shall work with each
>>> > Supporting Organization (SO), Advisory Committee (AC) and their
>>> > stakeholder groups, and the Nominating Committee (NomCom) to establish
>>> a
>>> > Continuous Improvement Program. It will include an annual satisfaction
>>> > survey of members/participants, and a regular assessment, including a
>>> > summary of continuous improvements published at least every three
>>> years.
>>> >
>>> > As the ICANN Community considers the implementation of ATRT3
>>> > Recommendation 3.6 as it relates to each community structure and for
>>> the
>>> > ICANN Community overall, the CIP Community Coordination Group is
>>> > intended to serve as a forum to exchange best practices, lessons
>>> > learned, as well as for sharing information and progress related to
>>> > already existing community continuous improvement activities. The
>>> > representatives in the CIP-CCG will share best practices and
>>> collaborate
>>> > on community-wide implementation of ATRT3 Recommendation 3.6, while
>>> > relaying information back to their constituencies to inform the
>>> process
>>> > and voice decisions.
>>> >
>>> > Warmly,
>>> > Tomslin
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> John Gbadamosi
> Programme Officer, Digital Rights
> Media Rights Agenda
> Internet of Rights (IoR) Fellow
> Article 19, UK
> +2348099817296
> john at mediarightsagenda.org
> @Samjohn70
>
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Sat Nov 18 16:05:35 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:05:35 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Results-NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
Message-ID: <B510F6FC-DAAD-47F5-8A8A-ABFE4FE8BC43@icann.org>

Hello NCSG PC,

Please find below the results from the Tally vote for the NCSG PC chair election. Ballots were sent to all PC members/councilors.

   NCSG PC Election 2023

                Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:
                **NCSG PC Chair**
1:  4 votes    [] Taiwo Peter Akinremi
2:  5 votes    [] Abstain

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf at Julf.com  Sat Nov 18 17:17:52 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 16:17:52 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Results-NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <B510F6FC-DAAD-47F5-8A8A-ABFE4FE8BC43@icann.org>
References: <B510F6FC-DAAD-47F5-8A8A-ABFE4FE8BC43@icann.org>
Message-ID: <2a2528cc-07f5-4aa4-9cfa-2b1186f7cad9@Julf.com>

Thanks Andrea!

Not sure how to interpret 2.5.3. of the NCSG Charter that says
"A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the 
NCSG?PC by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis."

Does this mean the PC chair has to get 2/3 of the PC votes even if
there is only one candidate?

	Julf



On 18/11/2023 15:05, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> Hello NCSG PC,
> 
> Please find below the results from the Tally vote for the NCSG PC chair 
> election. Ballots were sent to all PC members/councilors.
> 
>  ?? NCSG PC Election 2023
> 
>  ????????????????Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:
> 
>  ??????????????? **NCSG PC Chair**
> 
> 1:? 4 votes??? [] Taiwo Peter Akinremi
> 
> 2:? 5 votes??? [] Abstain
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> *Andrea Glandon*
> 
> Policy Operations Coordinator
> 
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
> *Skype ID:*acglandon76
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun Nov 19 00:06:39 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 09:06:39 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Results-NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <2a2528cc-07f5-4aa4-9cfa-2b1186f7cad9@Julf.com>
References: <B510F6FC-DAAD-47F5-8A8A-ABFE4FE8BC43@icann.org>
 <2a2528cc-07f5-4aa4-9cfa-2b1186f7cad9@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeU+D8Dom0pVV0-btRsmCHUAsArj84jYfzXPB_i94pwXpg@mail.gmail.com>

That is my understanding as well. 2/3 vote of the candidate.

Unfortunately,  it doesn't appear as if the charter addresses a situation
where no candidate meets the threshold.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023, 02:17 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Thanks Andrea!
>
> Not sure how to interpret 2.5.3. of the NCSG Charter that says
> "A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the
> NCSG?PC by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis."
>
> Does this mean the PC chair has to get 2/3 of the PC votes even if
> there is only one candidate?
>
>         Julf
>
>
>
> On 18/11/2023 15:05, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> > Hello NCSG PC,
> >
> > Please find below the results from the Tally vote for the NCSG PC chair
> > election. Ballots were sent to all PC members/councilors.
> >
> >     NCSG PC Election 2023
> >
> >                  Mark ONLY one box with a tick for the position below:
> >
> >                  **NCSG PC Chair**
> >
> > 1:  4 votes    [] Taiwo Peter Akinremi
> >
> > 2:  5 votes    [] Abstain
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > *Andrea Glandon*
> >
> > Policy Operations Coordinator
> >
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >
> > *Skype ID:*acglandon76
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From julf at Julf.com  Sun Nov 19 19:44:30 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 18:44:30 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Results-NCSG Policy Committee Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeU+D8Dom0pVV0-btRsmCHUAsArj84jYfzXPB_i94pwXpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B510F6FC-DAAD-47F5-8A8A-ABFE4FE8BC43@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <245f76fd-b4bb-4513-91f8-ab24763333f7@Julf.com>

On 18/11/2023 23:06, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Unfortunately,? it doesn't appear as if the charter addresses a 
> situation where no candidate meets the threshold.

Do we want to re-issue the call for candidates and do a new round
of voting?

	Julf



From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 00:21:06 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:21:06 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] UPDATE: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject
 Matter Experts
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeXmWDYOWxCnN7uaHtQsMdPZpn9Z1afM6edwYvYvUVyFTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E4486F73-E527-4A8F-A4FC-26704412F0EA@icann.org>
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Hi PC,

Reema Mousa and Namra, our members who undertook the Policy Transition
Program with focus on SubPro have kindly volunteered to be subject
matter experts to the council small team plus.

No other member has volunteered for this and mindful that they are trained
and have been keen to participate,  I fully support their EOI.

So, please let me know if you have any objection to me sending their names
in.

Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023, 10:15
Subject: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject Matter Experts
To: ncsg-discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>, farzaneh badii <
farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>,
Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>


Dear NCSG members,

We had a (incomplete) discussion on the mailing list as early as 4 days ago
regarding the SubPro Small team Plus idea. @farzaneh badii
<farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> articulated why NCSG shouldn't encourage nor
support the idea and @Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> argued that we
have reason to support the idea. If you didn't or missed the discussion,
please search the list for the following topic to catch up: *Re: Fwd:
[council] [GNSO-SubProPendingRecs-ST] Point of Order - Sub Pro Pending
Recommendations Small Team Work*

In that same discussion, @Stephanie Perrin
<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> requested help from our members to join
it since the Small Team Plus will move ahead. You will find below an
official request for subject matter experts (1 expert and 1 alternate) to
join the Small Team Plus.

My question to you as policy chair is, should we proceed to appoint an
expert as requested by the small team? If yes, who would love to volunteer
as the expert to the small team and who as an alternate?

Please let the policy committee know.

Warmly,
Tomslin


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        Call for Subject Matter Experts | SubPro Pending
Recommendations Small team
Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2023 00:53:41 +0000
From:   Devan Reed <devan.reed at icann.org>
To:     julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, Andrea Glandon
<andrea.glandon at icann.org>
CC:     gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, Paul Mcgrady -- Valid
email <paul at elstermcgrady.com>, Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, Julie
Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>



**Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward 3 Subject Matter
Experts/Alternates.

Dear Julf,

As you may be aware, the GNSO Council has tasked
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>
the SubPro Pending Recommendations Small team to develop proposed
modifications to the SubPro non-adopted Board recommendations to attempt
to address the Board?s concerns.

Each group is hereby invited to put forward one subject matter expert
plus alternate to help inform this assignment, in addition to the
Council member or liaison that may already be a member of the small team
(see here <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ> for current
membership). Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward three Subject
Matter Experts/Alternates. The small team assignment form
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>
foresees that: ?At a minimum, SMEs are expected to be familiar, or
familiarize themselves, with the SubPro Initial Report and Final Report
sections on these specific topics as well as small team deliberations to
date,? so it is up to you to determine what you consider to be
?expertise? in this context.

As we recognize that your group may not be interested in every single
topic or may have different SMEs it would like to assign depending on
the topic, we would like to encourage you to review the workplan that
has been included at the bottom of this message that outlines the
proposed planning and scheduling of topics.

*_Please communicate by 17 November at the latest the names of the SME
and alternate that your group is putting forward to
gnso-secs at icann.org._* Please also indicate if the SME is only joining
for a specific topic or topics. The first meeting of the small team plus
will take place on 27 November at 14.00 UTC.

As a reminder, the small team plus has been tasked to develop proposed
modifications that are focused on addressing the Board?s concerns. This
is not an opportunity to bring new issues to the table or reopen
previous conversations. As a result, the deliberations are expected to
be focused, narrow, and swift. To facilitate the work of the small team,
dedicated briefings will be provided for each topic to ensure that
members have the relevant information available. In addition, the
current small team members are working on draft proposals that are
intended to help kick-start the deliberations.

Please also note that there will be other opportunities for input. At a
minimum, it is the expectation that the small team plus will host a prep
week session to brief the community on the proposed changes to the
recommendations which is then followed by an ICANN79 session to obtain
community feedback before the final Supplemental Recommendations are
submitted to the GNSO Council.

*When*



*What *



*Whom*

27 Nov



- Introduction of new members & overview of approach & next steps

- Commence review of Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial
support)



Small Team Plus

4 Dec



- Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? continue
deliberations

- Commence review of Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued
Operations Instrument (COI))



Small Team Plus

11 Dec



- Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? finalize
deliberations

- Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued Operations Instrument
(COI)) ? finalize proposed modification

- Commence review of Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of
confusing similarity and string contention) & Recommendation 24.5
(single / plurals)



Small Team Plus

18 Dec



- Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

8 Jan



- Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? finalize
deliberations

- Commence review of Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption /
Waiver)



Small Team Plus

15 Jan



- Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? deliberate
proposed modification



Small Team Plus

22 Jan



- Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? finalize
proposed modification

- Commence review of recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) &
recommendation 18.3 (covenant not to sue) in combination with
Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism that allows specific parties to challenge
or appeal), Recommendation 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for
challenge/appeal processes) and Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should
not does not cause excessive, unnecessary costs or delays in the
application process)



Small Team Plus

29 Jan



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

5 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

12 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
deliberations



Small Team Plus

19 Feb



- Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
(covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? finalize
deliberations



Small Team Plus

Week of 19 Feb (TBC)



- Prep week session to brief community on proposed changes to
recommendations



Small Team Plus

2-7 March

ICANN79



- ICANN79 session to obtain community feedback on proposed changes to
recommendations



Small Team Plus

18 March



- Review of community feedback & updating of proposed modifications as
deemed appropriate



Small Team Plus

25 March



- Continued review of community feedback & updating of proposed
modifications as deemed appropriate



Small Team Plus

1 April



- Finalize review & updates of proposed modifications



Small Team Plus

Week of 1 April



- Submit Supplemental Recommendations (modified recommendations) to the
GNSO Council for its consideration



Small Team Lead

April Council meeting



- Council consideration of Supplemental Recommendations



Council

After April Council meeting



- Assuming Council adoption, submission to the ICANN Board of the
Supplemental Recommendations



GNSO Secretariat

May / June



- Board consideration of Supplemental Recommendations



ICANN Board

Thank you.

Kind regards,

*Devan Reed*
Secretariat Operations Coordinator

Policy Development Team
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

www.icann.org
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From julf at Julf.com  Mon Nov 20 14:40:48 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 13:40:48 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] UPDATE: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject
 Matter Experts
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 <e83668e8-e7e0-47d9-bbd0-f900489e254c@Julf.com>
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No objections from me.

	Julf

On 19/11/2023 23:21, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi PC,
> 
> Reema Mousa and Namra, our members who undertook the Policy Transition 
> Program with focus on SubPro have kindly volunteered to be subject 
> matter?experts to the council small team plus.
> 
> No other member has volunteered for this and mindful that they are 
> trained and have been keen to participate,? I fully support their EOI.
> 
> So, please let me know if you have any objection to me sending their 
> names in.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar* <mesumbeslin at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
> Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023, 10:15
> Subject: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject Matter Experts
> To: ncsg-discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu 
> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, farzaneh badii 
> <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>, Kathy 
> Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>, 
> Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
> Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> 
> 
> Dear NCSG members,
> 
> We had a (incomplete) discussion on the mailing list as early as 4 days 
> ago regarding the SubPro Small team Plus idea. @farzaneh badii 
> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> articulated why NCSG shouldn't 
> encourage nor support the idea and @Kathy Kleiman 
> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com> argued that we have reason to support 
> the idea. If you didn't or missed the discussion, please search the list 
> for the following topic to catch up: */Re: Fwd: [council] 
> [GNSO-SubProPendingRecs-ST] Point of Order - Sub Pro Pending 
> Recommendations Small Team Work/*
> 
> In that same discussion, @Stephanie Perrin 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> requested help from our 
> members to join it since the Small Team Plus will move ahead. You will 
> find below an official request for subject matter experts (1 expert and 
> 1 alternate) to join the Small Team Plus.
> 
> My question to you as policy chair is, should we proceed to appoint an 
> expert as requested by the small team? If yes, who would love to 
> volunteer as the expert to the small team and who as an alternate?
> 
> Please let the policy committee know.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:? ? ? ? Call for Subject Matter Experts | SubPro Pending
> Recommendations Small team
> Date:? ?Thu, 9 Nov 2023 00:53:41 +0000
> From:? ?Devan Reed <devan.reed at icann.org <mailto:devan.reed at icann.org>>
> To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, Andrea Glandon
> <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
> CC: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> 
> <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>, Paul Mcgrady -- Valid
> email <paul at elstermcgrady.com <mailto:paul at elstermcgrady.com>>, Steve 
> Chan <steve.chan at icann.org <mailto:steve.chan at icann.org>>, Julie
> Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> 
> **Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward 3 Subject Matter
> Experts/Alternates.
> 
> Dear Julf,
> 
> As you may be aware, the GNSO Council has tasked
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>>
> the SubPro Pending Recommendations Small team to develop proposed
> modifications to the SubPro non-adopted Board recommendations to attempt
> to address the Board?s concerns.
> 
> Each group is hereby invited to put forward one subject matter expert
> plus alternate to help inform this assignment, in addition to the
> Council member or liaison that may already be a member of the small team
> (see here <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ 
> <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ>> for current
> membership). Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward three Subject
> Matter Experts/Alternates. The small team assignment form
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit>>
> foresees that: ?At a minimum, SMEs are expected to be familiar, or
> familiarize themselves, with the SubPro Initial Report and Final Report
> sections on these specific topics as well as small team deliberations to
> date,? so it is up to you to determine what you consider to be
> ?expertise? in this context.
> 
> As we recognize that your group may not be interested in every single
> topic or may have different SMEs it would like to assign depending on
> the topic, we would like to encourage you to review the workplan that
> has been included at the bottom of this message that outlines the
> proposed planning and scheduling of topics.
> 
> *_Please communicate by 17 November at the latest the names of the SME
> and alternate that your group is putting forward to
> gnso-secs at icann.org._* Please also indicate if the SME is only joining
> for a specific topic or topics. The first meeting of the small team plus
> will take place on 27 November at 14.00 UTC.
> 
> As a reminder, the small team plus has been tasked to develop proposed
> modifications that are focused on addressing the Board?s concerns. This
> is not an opportunity to bring new issues to the table or reopen
> previous conversations. As a result, the deliberations are expected to
> be focused, narrow, and swift. To facilitate the work of the small team,
> dedicated briefings will be provided for each topic to ensure that
> members have the relevant information available. In addition, the
> current small team members are working on draft proposals that are
> intended to help kick-start the deliberations.
> 
> Please also note that there will be other opportunities for input. At a
> minimum, it is the expectation that the small team plus will host a prep
> week session to brief the community on the proposed changes to the
> recommendations which is then followed by an ICANN79 session to obtain
> community feedback before the final Supplemental Recommendations are
> submitted to the GNSO Council.
> 
> *When*
> 
> 
> 
> *What *
> 
> 
> 
> *Whom*
> 
> 27 Nov
> 
> 
> 
> - Introduction of new members & overview of approach & next steps
> 
> - Commence review of Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial
> support)
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 4 Dec
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? continue
> deliberations
> 
> - Commence review of Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued
> Operations Instrument (COI))
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 11 Dec
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? finalize
> deliberations
> 
> - Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued Operations Instrument
> (COI)) ? finalize proposed modification
> 
> - Commence review of Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of
> confusing similarity and string contention) & Recommendation 24.5
> (single / plurals)
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 18 Dec
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
> string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? continue
> deliberations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 8 Jan
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
> string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? finalize
> deliberations
> 
> - Commence review of Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption /
> Waiver)
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 15 Jan
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? deliberate
> proposed modification
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 22 Jan
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? finalize
> proposed modification
> 
> - Commence review of recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) &
> recommendation 18.3 (covenant not to sue) in combination with
> Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism that allows specific parties to challenge
> or appeal), Recommendation 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for
> challenge/appeal processes) and Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should
> not does not cause excessive, unnecessary costs or delays in the
> application process)
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 29 Jan
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> deliberations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 5 Feb
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> deliberations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 12 Feb
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> deliberations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 19 Feb
> 
> 
> 
> - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? finalize
> deliberations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> Week of 19 Feb (TBC)
> 
> 
> 
> - Prep week session to brief community on proposed changes to
> recommendations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 2-7 March
> 
> ICANN79
> 
> 
> 
> - ICANN79 session to obtain community feedback on proposed changes to
> recommendations
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 18 March
> 
> 
> 
> - Review of community feedback & updating of proposed modifications as
> deemed appropriate
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 25 March
> 
> 
> 
> - Continued review of community feedback & updating of proposed
> modifications as deemed appropriate
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> 1 April
> 
> 
> 
> - Finalize review & updates of proposed modifications
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Plus
> 
> Week of 1 April
> 
> 
> 
> - Submit Supplemental Recommendations (modified recommendations) to the
> GNSO Council for its consideration
> 
> 
> 
> Small Team Lead
> 
> April Council meeting
> 
> 
> 
> - Council consideration of Supplemental Recommendations
> 
> 
> 
> Council
> 
> After April Council meeting
> 
> 
> 
> - Assuming Council adoption, submission to the ICANN Board of the
> Supplemental Recommendations
> 
> 
> 
> GNSO Secretariat
> 
> May / June
> 
> 
> 
> - Board consideration of Supplemental Recommendations
> 
> 
> 
> ICANN Board
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> *Devan Reed*
> Secretariat Operations Coordinator
> 
> Policy Development Team
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
> www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org>
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=5Q2VHFiILluU8bvJHD3YjtNb84SyquCx2HSNHYn1ybs&m=X5iO0FCI3T2FxZ0KhKQ1iY0GhPzLH7XaiK8LfLcHSPY&s=grheVbJRc-hQqrXXGzMqUK3Htr0S5Z74HFOhmrag-Js&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=5Q2VHFiILluU8bvJHD3YjtNb84SyquCx2HSNHYn1ybs&m=X5iO0FCI3T2FxZ0KhKQ1iY0GhPzLH7XaiK8LfLcHSPY&s=grheVbJRc-hQqrXXGzMqUK3Htr0S5Z74HFOhmrag-Js&e=>>
> 
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 14:44:44 2023
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:44:44 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] UPDATE: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject
 Matter Experts
In-Reply-To: <27e41fb2-3dfc-4946-b5a5-1626095f6b41@Julf.com>
References: <E4486F73-E527-4A8F-A4FC-26704412F0EA@icann.org>
 <e83668e8-e7e0-47d9-bbd0-f900489e254c@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeXmWDYOWxCnN7uaHtQsMdPZpn9Z1afM6edwYvYvUVyFTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeV+vwd5gSGxLQ2nNfBef57MFJJB+v_y8bycPYKw=fz3_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <27e41fb2-3dfc-4946-b5a5-1626095f6b41@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAAU+vPEY1G_D4i7GHZ75Nv3g6tZk+O96=cyS3YeBPSK8Y4mLJQ@mail.gmail.com>

No objection from me as well.

On Mon, 20 Nov 2023, 12:40 pm Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> No objections from me.
>
>         Julf
>
> On 19/11/2023 23:21, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> > Hi PC,
> >
> > Reema Mousa and Namra, our members who undertook the Policy Transition
> > Program with focus on SubPro have kindly volunteered to be subject
> > matter experts to the council small team plus.
> >
> > No other member has volunteered for this and mindful that they are
> > trained and have been keen to participate,  I fully support their EOI.
> >
> > So, please let me know if you have any objection to me sending their
> > names in.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Tomslin
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar* <mesumbeslin at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
> > Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023, 10:15
> > Subject: SubPro Small team Plus and a Call for Subject Matter Experts
> > To: ncsg-discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
> > <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, farzaneh badii
> > <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>, Kathy
> > Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>,
> > Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
> > Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> >
> >
> > Dear NCSG members,
> >
> > We had a (incomplete) discussion on the mailing list as early as 4 days
> > ago regarding the SubPro Small team Plus idea. @farzaneh badii
> > <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> articulated why NCSG shouldn't
> > encourage nor support the idea and @Kathy Kleiman
> > <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com> argued that we have reason to support
> > the idea. If you didn't or missed the discussion, please search the list
> > for the following topic to catch up: */Re: Fwd: [council]
> > [GNSO-SubProPendingRecs-ST] Point of Order - Sub Pro Pending
> > Recommendations Small Team Work/*
> >
> > In that same discussion, @Stephanie Perrin
> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> requested help from our
> > members to join it since the Small Team Plus will move ahead. You will
> > find below an official request for subject matter experts (1 expert and
> > 1 alternate) to join the Small Team Plus.
> >
> > My question to you as policy chair is, should we proceed to appoint an
> > expert as requested by the small team? If yes, who would love to
> > volunteer as the expert to the small team and who as an alternate?
> >
> > Please let the policy committee know.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Tomslin
> >
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject:        Call for Subject Matter Experts | SubPro Pending
> > Recommendations Small team
> > Date:   Thu, 9 Nov 2023 00:53:41 +0000
> > From:   Devan Reed <devan.reed at icann.org <mailto:devan.reed at icann.org>>
> > To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, Andrea Glandon
> > <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
> > CC: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
> > <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>, Paul Mcgrady --
> Valid
> > email <paul at elstermcgrady.com <mailto:paul at elstermcgrady.com>>, Steve
> > Chan <steve.chan at icann.org <mailto:steve.chan at icann.org>>, Julie
> > Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
> >
> >
> >
> > **Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward 3 Subject Matter
> > Experts/Alternates.
> >
> > Dear Julf,
> >
> > As you may be aware, the GNSO Council has tasked
> > <
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit
> >>
> > the SubPro Pending Recommendations Small team to develop proposed
> > modifications to the SubPro non-adopted Board recommendations to attempt
> > to address the Board?s concerns.
> >
> > Each group is hereby invited to put forward one subject matter expert
> > plus alternate to help inform this assignment, in addition to the
> > Council member or liaison that may already be a member of the small team
> > (see here <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ
> > <https://community.icann.org/x/nQP5DQ>> for current
> > membership). Please note, the NCSG is able to put forward three Subject
> > Matter Experts/Alternates. The small team assignment form
> > <
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yDgWIwKZqKk0WY0q7CS2pf7aD4VupCWV/edit
> >>
> > foresees that: ?At a minimum, SMEs are expected to be familiar, or
> > familiarize themselves, with the SubPro Initial Report and Final Report
> > sections on these specific topics as well as small team deliberations to
> > date,? so it is up to you to determine what you consider to be
> > ?expertise? in this context.
> >
> > As we recognize that your group may not be interested in every single
> > topic or may have different SMEs it would like to assign depending on
> > the topic, we would like to encourage you to review the workplan that
> > has been included at the bottom of this message that outlines the
> > proposed planning and scheduling of topics.
> >
> > *_Please communicate by 17 November at the latest the names of the SME
> > and alternate that your group is putting forward to
> > gnso-secs at icann.org._* Please also indicate if the SME is only joining
> > for a specific topic or topics. The first meeting of the small team plus
> > will take place on 27 November at 14.00 UTC.
> >
> > As a reminder, the small team plus has been tasked to develop proposed
> > modifications that are focused on addressing the Board?s concerns. This
> > is not an opportunity to bring new issues to the table or reopen
> > previous conversations. As a result, the deliberations are expected to
> > be focused, narrow, and swift. To facilitate the work of the small team,
> > dedicated briefings will be provided for each topic to ensure that
> > members have the relevant information available. In addition, the
> > current small team members are working on draft proposals that are
> > intended to help kick-start the deliberations.
> >
> > Please also note that there will be other opportunities for input. At a
> > minimum, it is the expectation that the small team plus will host a prep
> > week session to brief the community on the proposed changes to the
> > recommendations which is then followed by an ICANN79 session to obtain
> > community feedback before the final Supplemental Recommendations are
> > submitted to the GNSO Council.
> >
> > *When*
> >
> >
> >
> > *What *
> >
> >
> >
> > *Whom*
> >
> > 27 Nov
> >
> >
> >
> > - Introduction of new members & overview of approach & next steps
> >
> > - Commence review of Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial
> > support)
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 4 Dec
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? continue
> > deliberations
> >
> > - Commence review of Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued
> > Operations Instrument (COI))
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 11 Dec
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 17.2 (expanding scope of financial support) ? finalize
> > deliberations
> >
> > - Recommendation 22.7 (exemption from Continued Operations Instrument
> > (COI)) ? finalize proposed modification
> >
> > - Commence review of Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of
> > confusing similarity and string contention) & Recommendation 24.5
> > (single / plurals)
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 18 Dec
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
> > string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? continue
> > deliberations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 8 Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 24.3 (updating standards of confusing similarity and
> > string contention) & Recommendation 24.5 (single / plurals) ? finalize
> > deliberations
> >
> > - Commence review of Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption /
> > Waiver)
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 15 Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? deliberate
> > proposed modification
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 22 Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 9.2 (Single Registrant Exemption / Waiver) ? finalize
> > proposed modification
> >
> > - Commence review of recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) &
> > recommendation 18.3 (covenant not to sue) in combination with
> > Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism that allows specific parties to challenge
> > or appeal), Recommendation 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for
> > challenge/appeal processes) and Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should
> > not does not cause excessive, unnecessary costs or delays in the
> > application process)
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 29 Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> > (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> > that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> > 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> > Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> > unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> > deliberations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 5 Feb
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> > (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> > that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> > 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> > Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> > unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> > deliberations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 12 Feb
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> > (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> > that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> > 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> > Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> > unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? continue
> > deliberations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 19 Feb
> >
> >
> >
> > - Recommendation 18.1 (rejection of applications) & recommendation 18.3
> > (covenant not to sue) in combination with Recommendation 32.1 (mechanism
> > that allows specific parties to challenge or appeal), Recommendation
> > 32.2 (clear procedures and rules for challenge/appeal processes) and
> > Recommendation 32.10 (mechanism should not does not cause excessive,
> > unnecessary costs or delays in the application process) ? finalize
> > deliberations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > Week of 19 Feb (TBC)
> >
> >
> >
> > - Prep week session to brief community on proposed changes to
> > recommendations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 2-7 March
> >
> > ICANN79
> >
> >
> >
> > - ICANN79 session to obtain community feedback on proposed changes to
> > recommendations
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 18 March
> >
> >
> >
> > - Review of community feedback & updating of proposed modifications as
> > deemed appropriate
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 25 March
> >
> >
> >
> > - Continued review of community feedback & updating of proposed
> > modifications as deemed appropriate
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > 1 April
> >
> >
> >
> > - Finalize review & updates of proposed modifications
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Plus
> >
> > Week of 1 April
> >
> >
> >
> > - Submit Supplemental Recommendations (modified recommendations) to the
> > GNSO Council for its consideration
> >
> >
> >
> > Small Team Lead
> >
> > April Council meeting
> >
> >
> >
> > - Council consideration of Supplemental Recommendations
> >
> >
> >
> > Council
> >
> > After April Council meeting
> >
> >
> >
> > - Assuming Council adoption, submission to the ICANN Board of the
> > Supplemental Recommendations
> >
> >
> >
> > GNSO Secretariat
> >
> > May / June
> >
> >
> >
> > - Board consideration of Supplemental Recommendations
> >
> >
> >
> > ICANN Board
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > *Devan Reed*
> > Secretariat Operations Coordinator
> >
> > Policy Development Team
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 21:21:17 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 06:21:17 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi team,

is this okay to submit?

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
> comment that Bolu is leading
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
>> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
>> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>> comment for our SG.
>>
>> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
>> volunteer,  please reach out.
>>
>> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Mon Nov 20 21:55:52 2023
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:55:52 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1167c3e3-fa0e-496a-8429-ec7a1bc55755@KathyKleiman.com>

<< Hi team, is this okay to submit?

Warmly, Tomslin>>

Tomslin,

I'm afraid I do not understand our draft NCSG comment.? Bolu seems to be 
responding to the four questions that commenters raised in the first 
round of comments.? Now, in this second round of comments, ICANN asks us 
to respond to a /different set of questions.? (Pasted below)
/

If I read it correctly, Bolu is repeating what ICANN Staff has told us 
in this Terms of Reference Draft, but not commenting on whether we 
(NCSG) agree, support, express concerns, etc.? It's not enough to 
summarize what Staff has presented.

*/Could we ask someone to work with him, e.g. Pedro?? Could someone else 
from NCSG PC take a close look? /*

Best, Kathy


==> [Kathy cutting and pasting from current ICANN comment notice]

"The primary focus of the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of Reference 
(ToR) is to address the four primary issues raised during the first 
Public Comment proceeding:

  * The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
  * There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
  * There is a lack of identified dependencies
  * The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
    Holistic Review work

The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR document to 
include more direct language and clearer deliverables.

Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and work, 
the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR seems fit 
for purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the issues identified 
in the first Public Comment proceeding.

The following questions are designed to aid responders in formulating 
their views:

 1. Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
    as drafted?
 2. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
    sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the first
    Public Comment proceeding?
 3. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
    sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic Review?
 4. Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review (as
    noted below)?"

On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> 
wrote:

    Hi all,

    As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
    comment that Bolu is leading
    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing


    Warmly,
    Tomslin


>     On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Dear all,
>
>         The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed
>         Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This
>         is a review of interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have
>         members volunteer to draft a comment for our SG.
>
>         The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd
>         like to volunteer,? please reach out.
>
>         More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>         https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>
>         Warmly,
>         Tomslin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 22:58:51 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 07:58:51 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <1167c3e3-fa0e-496a-8429-ec7a1bc55755@KathyKleiman.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1167c3e3-fa0e-496a-8429-ec7a1bc55755@KathyKleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeV1p-1a=OK+vagAu2t3RfPiw44DY8DmBaUz0EcfMjVu1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kathy,

Thank you. This email was to serve as a wake up request for the PC to
review the document because there hasn't been any comment from the team
here regarding the document which I shared on the NCSG list.

I did send Bolu a parallel email to the PC one, asking him to integrate the
comments that were given during the PC meeting to the document and for him
to modify the format.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 06:55, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> << Hi team, is this okay to submit?
>
> Warmly, Tomslin>>
>
> Tomslin,
>
> I'm afraid I do not understand our draft NCSG comment.  Bolu seems to be
> responding to the four questions that commenters raised in the first round
> of comments.  Now, in this second round of comments, ICANN asks us to
> respond to a
> *different set of questions.  (Pasted below) *
>
> If I read it correctly, Bolu is repeating what ICANN Staff has told us in
> this Terms of Reference Draft, but not commenting on whether we (NCSG)
> agree, support, express concerns, etc.  It's not enough to summarize what
> Staff has presented.
>
> *Could we ask someone to work with him, e.g. Pedro?  Could someone else
> from NCSG PC take a close look? *
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> ==> [Kathy cutting and pasting from current ICANN comment notice]
>
> "The primary focus of the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of Reference
> (ToR) is to address the four primary issues raised during the first Public
> Comment proceeding:
>
>    - The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
>    - There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
>    - There is a lack of identified dependencies
>    - The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
>    Holistic Review work
>
> The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR document to
> include more direct language and clearer deliverables.
>
> Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and work,
> the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR seems fit for
> purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the issues identified in the
> first Public Comment proceeding.
>
> The following questions are designed to aid responders in formulating
> their views:
>
>    1. Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    as drafted?
>    2. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the first Public
>    Comment proceeding?
>    3. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic Review?
>    4. Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review (as
>    noted below)?"
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
>> comment that Bolu is leading
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
>>> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
>>> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>>> comment for our SG.
>>>
>>> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
>>> volunteer,  please reach out.
>>>
>>> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Tue Nov 21 01:52:53 2023
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:52:53 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeV1p-1a=OK+vagAu2t3RfPiw44DY8DmBaUz0EcfMjVu1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1167c3e3-fa0e-496a-8429-ec7a1bc55755@KathyKleiman.com>
 <CAM8DdeV1p-1a=OK+vagAu2t3RfPiw44DY8DmBaUz0EcfMjVu1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e0307b04-2b8b-4bdd-9f46-e9366decf6f3@KathyKleiman.com>

Tx Tomslin, your email certainly woke me up!? I'm glad that you have 
already asked Bolu to make some major changes to the comment.? All good 
:-).

Best, Kathy

On 11/20/2023 3:58 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Kathy,
>
> Thank you. This email was to serve as a wake up request for the PC to 
> review the document because there hasn't been any comment from the 
> team here regarding the document which I shared on the NCSG list.
>
> I did send Bolu a parallel email to the PC one, asking him to 
> integrate the comments that were given during the PC meeting to the 
> document and for him to modify the format.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 06:55, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     << Hi team, is this okay to submit?
>
>     Warmly, Tomslin>>
>
>     Tomslin,
>
>     I'm afraid I do not understand our draft NCSG comment. Bolu seems
>     to be responding to the four questions that commenters raised in
>     the first round of comments.? Now, in this second round of
>     comments, ICANN asks us to respond to a /different set of
>     questions.? (Pasted below)
>     /
>
>     If I read it correctly, Bolu is repeating what ICANN Staff has
>     told us in this Terms of Reference Draft, but not commenting on
>     whether we (NCSG) agree, support, express concerns, etc.? It's not
>     enough to summarize what Staff has presented.
>
>     */Could we ask someone to work with him, e.g. Pedro? Could someone
>     else from NCSG PC take a close look? /*
>
>     Best, Kathy
>
>
>     ==> [Kathy cutting and pasting from current ICANN comment notice]
>
>     "The primary focus of the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of
>     Reference (ToR) is to address the four primary issues raised
>     during the first Public Comment proceeding:
>
>       * The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
>       * There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
>       * There is a lack of identified dependencies
>       * The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
>         Holistic Review work
>
>     The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR
>     document to include more direct language and clearer deliverables.
>
>     Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and
>     work, the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR
>     seems fit for purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the
>     issues identified in the first Public Comment proceeding.
>
>     The following questions are designed to aid responders in
>     formulating their views:
>
>      1. Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of
>         Reference as drafted?
>      2. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>         sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the
>         first Public Comment proceeding?
>      3. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>         sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic
>         Review?
>      4. Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review
>         (as noted below)?"
>
>     On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG
>         draft comment that Bolu is leading
>         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>         Warmly,
>         Tomslin
>
>
>>         On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>         <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear all,
>>
>>             The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the
>>             proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of
>>             Reference. This is a review of interest to NCSG, so it
>>             would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>>             comment for our SG.
>>
>>             The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if
>>             you'd like to volunteer, please reach out.
>>
>>             More information on the comment can be found from the
>>             below link:
>>             https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>
>>             Warmly,
>>             Tomslin
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 11:15:56 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:15:56 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Policy Chair Election
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVzooWjF+ptgPw0GxY+ZR0XPkU-fctiaBa8nz6oWGu-Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

As you know, in the recently completed voting round, the only candidate we
had didn't get the requisite 2/3 votes to be successful. As a result, I am
re-issuing the call for nominations for another round of voting. Here below
are the new timelines:

TIMELINE



1- Nomination period: from 21st November to 27th November

   -

   The nomination and send a short SOI by the 27th of November.



2- Election: from 28th to 3rd December

Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support staff
will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should be the
candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.



3- Results: should be available by 4th December

The candidate with 2/3 of the NCSG?PC membership votes will be declared
winner.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From julf at Julf.com  Tue Nov 21 12:24:46 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 11:24:46 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Policy Chair Election
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVzooWjF+ptgPw0GxY+ZR0XPkU-fctiaBa8nz6oWGu-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeVzooWjF+ptgPw0GxY+ZR0XPkU-fctiaBa8nz6oWGu-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ee3c2c9-534c-45de-9888-a81a45822b31@Julf.com>

Sounds good! Thanks, Tomslin!

	Julf

On 21/11/2023 10:15, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> As you know, in the recently completed voting round, the only candidate 
> we had didn't get the requisite 2/3 votes to be successful. As a result, 
> I am re-issuing the call for nominations for another round of voting. 
> Here below are the new timelines:
> 
> TIMELINE
> 
> 1- Nomination period: from 21st November to 27th November
> 
>   *
> 
>     The nomination and send a short SOI by the 27th of November.
> 
> 2- Election: from 28th to 3rd December
> 
> Vote is mandatory to all Policy Committee members. The GNSO support 
> staff will act as the election officer. The options in the ballot should 
> be the candidates who confirmed by the deadline and NOTA.
> 
> 3-?Results:?should be available by 4th December
> 
> The candidate with2/3 of the NCSG?PC?membership votes will be declared 
> winner.
> 
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin


From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 10:34:47 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 19:34:47 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <e0307b04-2b8b-4bdd-9f46-e9366decf6f3@KathyKleiman.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVDWhhFOLOVXt_mV2-SuWK=fNuBxGyFLH0eH2FtVXoLqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1167c3e3-fa0e-496a-8429-ec7a1bc55755@KathyKleiman.com>
 <CAM8DdeV1p-1a=OK+vagAu2t3RfPiw44DY8DmBaUz0EcfMjVu1w@mail.gmail.com>
 <e0307b04-2b8b-4bdd-9f46-e9366decf6f3@KathyKleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVZvUUot+5r_LfFSUC90dFxiSwGwJwYu-c_uv2w8dx4bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kathy, all,

Bolu has updated the draft. Please take a look and provide feedback.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, 10:52 Kathy Kleiman, <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> Tx Tomslin, your email certainly woke me up!  I'm glad that you have
> already asked Bolu to make some major changes to the comment.  All good
> :-).
>
> Best, Kathy
> On 11/20/2023 3:58 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> Thank you. This email was to serve as a wake up request for the PC to
> review the document because there hasn't been any comment from the team
> here regarding the document which I shared on the NCSG list.
>
> I did send Bolu a parallel email to the PC one, asking him to integrate
> the comments that were given during the PC meeting to the document and for
> him to modify the format.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 at 06:55, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
>> << Hi team, is this okay to submit?
>>
>> Warmly, Tomslin>>
>>
>> Tomslin,
>>
>> I'm afraid I do not understand our draft NCSG comment.  Bolu seems to be
>> responding to the four questions that commenters raised in the first round
>> of comments.  Now, in this second round of comments, ICANN asks us to
>> respond to a
>> *different set of questions.  (Pasted below) *
>>
>> If I read it correctly, Bolu is repeating what ICANN Staff has told us in
>> this Terms of Reference Draft, but not commenting on whether we (NCSG)
>> agree, support, express concerns, etc.  It's not enough to summarize what
>> Staff has presented.
>>
>> *Could we ask someone to work with him, e.g. Pedro?  Could someone else
>> from NCSG PC take a close look? *
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>> ==> [Kathy cutting and pasting from current ICANN comment notice]
>>
>> "The primary focus of the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of Reference
>> (ToR) is to address the four primary issues raised during the first Public
>> Comment proceeding:
>>
>>    - The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
>>    - There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
>>    - There is a lack of identified dependencies
>>    - The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
>>    Holistic Review work
>>
>> The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR document to
>> include more direct language and clearer deliverables.
>>
>> Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and work,
>> the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR seems fit for
>> purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the issues identified in the
>> first Public Comment proceeding.
>>
>> The following questions are designed to aid responders in formulating
>> their views:
>>
>>    1. Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of
>>    Reference as drafted?
>>    2. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>>    sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the first Public
>>    Comment proceeding?
>>    3. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>>    sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic Review?
>>    4. Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review (as
>>    noted below)?"
>>
>> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
>>> comment that Bolu is leading
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
>>>> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
>>>> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>>>> comment for our SG.
>>>>
>>>> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
>>>> volunteer,  please reach out.
>>>>
>>>> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Nov 25 21:20:40 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 06:20:40 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWXn-=jU5iBYRapPEM-xGHzJrYJkFAWm8avS9KUzNQFmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVxLH8pt6fi9AbZfras=AKUcOMa6s+LvFnDo8U6Nq_LeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXSgVprwV9F7sen_C8AxuUtixmb8n2Oc2-wzs0aXC_FFg@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi @Bolutife Adisa <adisabolutifeo at gmail.com>

Thanks for the work on this. Just wondering if you saw Kathy's additional
comments on the draft and whether you're in a position to address them
before the Monday 27th deadline?
Can other members with knowledge on this topic also take a look please?

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
> comment that Bolu is leading
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
>> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
>> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>> comment for our SG.
>>
>> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
>> volunteer,  please reach out.
>>
>> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 23:28:23 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 08:28:23 +1100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <EDB38100-9ADB-404E-8C43-61A3881021AB@gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeXSgVprwV9F7sen_C8AxuUtixmb8n2Oc2-wzs0aXC_FFg@mail.gmail.com>
 <EDB38100-9ADB-404E-8C43-61A3881021AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeV8E413Bw9FWOFBiO5ikNPe72scEgZ4KGZ-CHJMhxRVLQ@mail.gmail.com>

This comment has been submitted.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 at 05:16, Bolutife Adisa <adisabolutifeo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thomslin,
>
> I?m working on it. It?ll be ready for submission by tomorrow.
>
> Best regards,
> Bolu.
>
>
> On 25. Nov 2023, at 20:20, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hi @Bolutife Adisa <adisabolutifeo at gmail.com>
>
> Thanks for the work on this. Just wondering if you saw Kathy's additional
> comments on the draft and whether you're in a position to address them
> before the Monday 27th deadline?
> Can other members with knowledge on this topic also take a look please?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2023 at 06:40, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As promised on the call earlier, here is the link to the NCSG draft
>> comment that Bolu is leading
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxiw_roMyfKOKd200KiUfQSR8ODgLIuNujsmeT_yDqc/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 at 21:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> The ICANN Board is seeking the community input on the proposed Pilot
>>> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference. This is a review of
>>> interest to NCSG, so it would be great to have members volunteer to draft a
>>> comment for our SG.
>>>
>>> The public comment is due on 27 November 2023, so if you'd like to
>>> volunteer,  please reach out.
>>>
>>> More information on the comment can be found from the below link:
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/pilot-holistic-review-revised-terms-of-reference-tor-28-09-2023
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>
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From adisabolutifeo at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 20:16:12 2023
From: adisabolutifeo at gmail.com (Bolutife Adisa)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 19:16:12 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for volunteers] Public Comment: Pilot Holistic
 Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeXSgVprwV9F7sen_C8AxuUtixmb8n2Oc2-wzs0aXC_FFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeXSgVprwV9F7sen_C8AxuUtixmb8n2Oc2-wzs0aXC_FFg@mail.gmail.com>
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From julf at julf.com  Thu Nov 30 19:05:57 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 18:05:57 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation on
 Policy Work for NPOC
In-Reply-To: <CAL_ZvK6=f6knYzzNZHmX4TjPKtVCO-Y0TO4gd89_yZXtuwa-eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL_ZvK6=f6knYzzNZHmX4TjPKtVCO-Y0TO4gd89_yZXtuwa-eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e887c7e3-bdcb-444f-8da7-397e2d45194b@julf.com>

My view is that this has should be NCSG-wide (or wider) and aligned
with NCSG policy priorities and goals, involving the NCSG PC.

	Julf



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation on Policy 
Work for NPOC
Date: 	Wed, 29 Nov 2023 13:57:20 -0600
From: 	Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
To: 	Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org>, Benjamin Akinmoyeje 
<benakin at gmail.com>
CC: 	Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>, NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org>, 
Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>



Hi Adam,

I'm following up on this conversation we carried over and took the 
liberty to add @Benjamin Akinmoyeje <mailto:benakin at gmail.com>?and 
@Johan Helsingius <mailto:julf at julf.com>? to know their?thoughts and 
when we could possibly kick off.

@Benjamin Akinmoyeje <mailto:benakin at gmail.com>?and @Johan Helsingius 
<mailto:julf at julf.com>? please read the email in reverse order i.e. 
buttom?up to follow the thread of our conversation and roles you will play.



On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 6:19?AM Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org 
<mailto:adam.peake at icann.org>> wrote:

     Hi Caleb, Carlos;____

     __ __

     Caleb, apologies for not replying sooner.? We should talk with Julf
     and Benjamin.? As mentioned last year, GSE would like to offer
     another webinar series, it can be in NPOC's name, but the audience
     should be all of NCSG (and hopefully broader civil society).? Great
     if we can connect this to the relationship we will discuss between
     NCSG "family" and the GSE regional VPs on Wednesday.____

     __ __

     I don't think I can attend the NPOC members meeting on Saturday,
     I've already been asked to join an At-Large meeting at the same
     time.? But I have the NCSG Membership Meeting on Sunday in my
     calendar. ____

     __ __

     Best,____

     __ __

     Adam____

     __ __

     __ __

     __ __

     __ __

     __ __

     *From: *Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org
     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
     *Date: *Monday, 27 February 2023 at 18:12
     *To: *Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
     <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
     *Cc: *NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org <mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>>, Adam
     Peake <adam.peake at icann.org <mailto:adam.peake at icann.org>>
     *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation on
     Policy Work for NPOC____

     __ __

     Actually adding Adam now. ?____

     __ __

     Carlos Reyes____

     Director, Policy and Strategy____

     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) ____

     __ __

     __ __

     *From: *Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org
     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
     *Date: *Monday, February 27, 2023 at 11:12 AM
     *To: *Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
     <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
     *Cc: *NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org <mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>>
     *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation on
     Policy Work for NPOC____

     __ __

     Hi, Caleb.____

     __ __

     Adding Adam. He has taken the lead on previous webinar series.____

     __ __

     Best,
     Carlos____

     __ __

     Carlos Reyes____

     Director, Policy and Strategy____

     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) ____

     __ __

     __ __

     *From: *Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
     <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
     *Date: *Monday, February 27, 2023 at 10:57 AM
     *To: *Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org
     <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
     *Cc: *NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org <mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>>
     *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation on
     Policy Work for NPOC____

     __ __

     Hi Carlos, ____

     __ __

     Just following up to know if we have an ETA.____

     __ __

     On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 9:27 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
     <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>> wrote:____

         Thank you so much, Carlos. ____

         __ __

         I await your kind response.____

         __ __

         On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 9:25 PM Carlos Reyes
         <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>> wrote:____

             Thanks for these reminders, Caleb.____

             ____

             Andrea and I have also been waiting for updates from Adam,
             who is taking the lead on this webinar series. ____

             ____

             Best,
             Carlos____

             ____

             Carlos Reyes____

             Director, Policy and Strategy____

             Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) 
____

             ____

             ____

             *From: *Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
             <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
             *Date: *Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 7:24 PM
             *To: *Adam Peake <adam.peake at icann.org
             <mailto:adam.peake at icann.org>>, Carlos Reyes
             <carlos.reyes at icann.org <mailto:carlos.reyes at icann.org>>
             *Cc: *NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org
             <mailto:npoc-ec at icann.org>>, Benjamin Akinmoyeje
             <benakin at gmail.com <mailto:benakin at gmail.com>>
             *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Membership Engagement and Stimulation
             on Policy Work for NPOC____

             ____

             Hi Adam and Carlos, ____

             ____

             This is a quick follow-up as per the email trail.____

             ____

             We will like to know a possible ETA to plan with our members
             for the year.____

             ____

             Regards____

             ____

             Caleb____

             ____

             On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 1:20 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
             <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
             wrote:____

                 Hi Adam and Carlos, ____

                 ____

                 This is a quick follow-up as per the email trail.____

                 ____

                 We will like to know a possible ETA to plan with our
                 members for the new year.____

                 ____

                 On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 8:23 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele
                 <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>>
                 wrote:____

                     Hi Adam and Carlos, ____

                     ____

                     This is a quick follow up as per the email trail.____

                     ____

                     We will like to know a possible ETA to plan with our
                     members____

                     ____

                     Caleb____

                     ____

                     On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 1:49 PM Caleb Olumuyiwa
                     Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
                     <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>> wrote:____

                         Hello Adam, ____

                         ____

                         We discussed and we are looking at revitalizing
                         membership engagement which has gone low during
                         the COVID as we could not push members whose
                         fatigue level was high and priority changed
                         during the COVID.____

                         ____

                         Our request is to ask for your help in starting
                         up the Webinar Series again on Hot topics within
                         the ____

                         New gTLD____

                         Domain Name Dispute____

                         Protection of Trade Marks / IP____

                         Human Right Issues on Operational Concerns
                         within the remit of NPOC and NCSG____

                         DNS Abuse____

                         IDN ____

                         Transfer Policy ____

                          ?etc____

                         ____

                         Also looped into this email is the NCUC Chair as
                         we both agreed that we can collaborate and make
                         both constituency participate jointly as we're
                         trying to achieve the same goals. ____

                         ____

                         ____

                         ____

                         Caleb Ogundele

                         ________________

                         Sent with thumbs from a small screen mobile device.

                         Pelase exsuce typos adn errosr.____


                     ____

                     ____

                     -- ____

                     *Caleb Ogundele*____

                     Mobile: +1-204-558-6904____

                     Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
                     <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>____


                 ____

                 ____

                 -- ____

                 *Caleb Ogundele*____

                 Mobile: +1-204-558-6904____

                 Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
                 <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>____


             ____

             ____

             -- ____

             *Caleb Ogundele*____

             Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>____


         ____

         __ __

         -- ____

         *Caleb Ogundele*____

         Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>____


     ____

     __ __

     -- ____

     *Caleb Ogundele*____

     Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>____



-- 
*Caleb Ogundele*
Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com <mailto:muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>