[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC

Johan Helsingius julf at Julf.com
Fri Mar 31 19:16:19 EEST 2023


David,

Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
specifically address the comment from BC)?

	Julf

On 31/03/2023 04:45, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
> Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their 
> statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
> You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider whether to 
> respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
> 
> As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the Council 
> liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the task force 
> to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before submitting it 
> to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has presented 
> during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
> 
> Best,
> Manju
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org 
> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March 
> 2023 at 14:00 UTC
> To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>, Julie 
> Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, 
> gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org> 
> <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that the BC 
> would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to give 
> everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the 
> exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime, we will 
> also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to see if 
> there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer 
> together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the 
> CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or 
> changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the list. ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit your 
> group’s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Best regards,____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Julie & Marika____
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Imran Hossen 
> <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>
> *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
> *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org 
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>" <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 
> March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Hi,____
> 
> In terms of my representation of the BC’s position, I consulted with the 
> BC Chair and I believe we’re in agreement that the BC is strongly 
> opposed to this proposal.  Reasoning:____
> 
> ____
> 
>   * Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
>     transparency issue.  That calls for some skepticism.____
>   * The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN participants
>     simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their client
>     relationships.  There are myriad reasons – not the least of which
>     would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented could
>     invite even more gaming into the ICANN system.  For example, an
>     attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
>     disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
>     competing application.  That’s just one example.____
>   * Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise that,
>     should a participant be in this position, he/she could just disclose
>     the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the working
>     group chair.  That, frankly, is preposterous – ICANN is a sieve of
>     information leakage in the first place, and – further – such
>     disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
>     position on that person’s participation.  ICANN is not in the
>     business of appointing people who can arbitrate others’
>     participation.____
>   * Interesting that the NCSG – which is a vociferous proponent of
>     privacy – is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
>     can’t have it both ways – protect identities when they want and
>     don’t when they find it convenient.____
> 
> ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47 PM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org 
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>> wrote:____
> 
>     Dear All,____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     Please see below the action items and brief notes from today’s SOI
>     Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC.  These
>     also are posted to the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     Kind regards,____
> 
>     Marika and Julie____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     *GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
> 
>     **____
> 
>     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> 
>      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
>      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
>         1400 UTC.*____
>      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
> 
>     **____
> 
>     *Notes: *____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     1. Welcome____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
>     represented individual or entity information is shared only with WG
>     leadership if exemption is invoked.  See:
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit [docs.google.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit__;!!PtGJab4!6DbG5NBCJY713AFh2289AXAqDrObS3KKfp1qtaYPoJRRvwFpeG9o-t4FgQK9SAnMgW9Fx2DTCZ1XBwFDZ4kheRqu3A$> ____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     If no support for 2: ____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
>     BC)____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * RySG will have feedback soon – it is an interesting compromise.
>         Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
>       * RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations go from
>         here.  Still could be several concerns.____
>       * If this TF can’t come to consensus on language, it will go back
>         to the CCOICI and then to the Council.  The Council would vote
>         on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
>         vote.  Also is sent to the Board.____
>       * IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can’t
>         disclose then you can’t disclose to the leadership. ____
>       * If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it. 
>         Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting.  It would be
>         helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
>         consider.  Seems that this is the only point of disagreement in
>         the revisions to the SOI.____
>       * NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
>       * RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted with the
>         SOI.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     4. Possible SOI Pilot____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if groups
>         won’t change their views.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
>         would be helpful.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     6. Confirm next steps____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member groups to
>         be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
>       * Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the exemption
>         language.____
>       * Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final report. ____
>       * No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
>         makes changes.  Not sure what it would achieve at this point as
>         this already an issue that was called out in public comment.____
>       * RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again before
>         going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
>       * Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
>         specific question(s) that would yield responses that could move
>         this forward.  Also there is the opportunity to socialize among
>         your groups at ICANN76 – could set up an informal SOI TF meeting
>         in a sign-up room if available (no remote access).  Is there
>         interest in this?  Possibly but it would need to be later in the
>         week.  Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> 
>      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
>      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
>         1400 UTC.*____
>      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
> 
>     **____
> 
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