[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29

Thu Jun 8 03:28:11 EEST 2023

 Hi all,

Just closing the loop on this. I have submitted the NCSG comment. Thank you
Judith and everyone who contributed to the comment.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 13:21, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> HI Stephanie/ Tomslin
>
> Not sure if you saw my comment, so I am pasting it here.
>
> There is a new rule that when the NomCom terms are changed to 2 years
> instead of 1, the delegate must wait 2 years to go back on NomCom.  So it
> would only be 5 years (2 on nomcom and 3 on the standing committee) at the
> most. That is why I said that the standing committee terms should not be
> consecutive. We need new blood.  I think that helps explain why I am fine
> with 3 years on the standing committee and no consecutive terms
>
> I think if someone has served 2 years waits 2 year and then serves another
> 2 years that is fine.  Or in the case of the standing committee. Serves 3
> years and then waits 2 years again before serving again, that is also fine
> . It may not happen since there is no funding for standing committee
> members, so they do not travel.
>
> I think this change is easier to make the changing the terms of the
> standing committee
>
> Otherwise I think it is good to go. Manju is happy already
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
> Hellerstein & Associates
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>
>
> On 5/31/23 10:48 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> ++ Judith
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
>> edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year terms
>> for the standing committee.  Seems too long, there are plenty of candidates
>> for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have already served on
>> NomCom for four years hanging around another 3?  I think 2 is lots....
>>
>> cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>> On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>
>> HI Tomslin,
>>
>> I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to
>> answer the questions raised by the persons who commented on the document
>> and it is now ready to go.  Let me know what else you want or need to do
>> before this gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>> Hellerstein & Associates
>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>
>>
>> On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>
>> Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>>
>> The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments
>> with the contributors,  the PC normally takes a final look at it before the
>> NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG.
>>
>> Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this
>> one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the other
>> NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which are PC
>> members) as endorsement.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Tomslin,
>>>
>>> I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he is not
>>> understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are recommending.  I
>>> have added in replies to his comments to explain them and hope this helps
>>>
>>> Here again is the link.
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the comments
>>> and submit it.  Do let me know what is the process. I believe we will have
>>> a one-day extension since tomorrow is a holiday in the US and ICANN usually
>>> does not have comments due on the holiday as US staff are off.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>
>>> There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please
>>> reconcile them?
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein <
>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Juan,
>>>>
>>>> I would have loved to include something about it and in fact wrote
>>>> something up, but was told since this item was pulled from the Public
>>>> Comment we could not address it here.  We have to address this issue in
>>>> both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to Sally directly
>>>>
>>>> That was why I pulled it from the draft statement.  In a public
>>>> comment, we can only comment on what is written and not an item that has
>>>> been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add something on this review. I believe that in the
>>>> same comment, we should also address the situation of NPOC, as this comment
>>>> is regarding NomCom rebalance.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>> Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00 Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>
>>>> Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review that closes on
>>>> May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi.
>>>> Please provide your urgent comments to the draft by midnight UTC on
>>>> Thursday 25th May.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>>> Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>>> To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>,
>>>> Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to the various
>>>> Policy teams within the NCSG for comment.  I do not know who is on the PC
>>>> FO to send it to so please can you send this to them for me. Also not sure
>>>> of your particular style or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has commenting rights.
>>>> What we might want to do if we run out of time before the deadline is to
>>>> post a draft first and then replace it with the approved and ratified one
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>>
>>>> Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a google doc
>>>> and ask that you share it with the PC FO input and feedback.
>>>>
>>>> One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to write ICANN for
>>>> a little extension as it takes the entire PC a while to provide feedback
>>>> and ratify public comments that  represents the NCSG's views.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> joining you
>>>> to take a lead on this.
>>>> I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to support the
>>>> arguments that will be put forward.
>>>>
>>>> Caleb
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein <
>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI All,
>>>>
>>>> Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for clarifying that
>>>> Stephanie and you are only collaborating on the NomCom Rebalancing letter
>>>> that Interim CEO Sally Costerton sent to all constituencies.  I suggested
>>>> that we draft a statement in response to the public comment on the NomCom
>>>> Review, and will be happy to be the Pen Holder. Basically, there are 4
>>>> questions they are asking us to comment upon.  Public Comments are due May
>>>> 29, 2023. I have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo as he also
>>>> suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment proposed for Article 7
>>>> of the ICANN Bylaws and the related proposed statement defining
>>>> “Unaffiliated” Directors?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws amendments proposed to
>>>> Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the Transition Clause
>>>>
>>>>     Change NomCom delegates’ terms to serve two-year terms, instead of
>>>> one year.
>>>>     Transform all NomCom delegates into voting delegates to be able to
>>>> vote, except for leadership.
>>>>     Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide continuity across
>>>> annual NomCom cycles and to build the institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>>
>>>>  3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>>
>>>> 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC bylaws to allow
>>>> them to accept a voting slot instead of the current non-voting slot
>>>>
>>>> Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.  Only contentious
>>>> issue is the definition of unaffiliated Directors
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith Hellerstein
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer than 6 months ago.
>>>>
>>>>     Julf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>> Apparently it is too late for this, which is really sad. I was told the
>>>> time to have done this negotiation was several months ago before the GNSO
>>>> rejected these ideas.  Sorry but I had not been focusing on these issues 6
>>>> months ago.  The suggestion that was in the original public comment was
>>>> what the review committee had suggested so that the GNSO could decide for
>>>> itself but apparently according to CLO, groups within the GNSO heavily
>>>> resisted this change and that was why the board/ review committee took back
>>>> part of the review. .  ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing
>>>> but the review committee and Board got too much flack from people within
>>>> the GNSO so they had to pull even this simple adjustment.
>>>>
>>>> Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even with the letter it
>>>> is unlikely to happen again until 5 years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the
>>>> slot from the NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the NCSG was
>>>> because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed when these slots were first
>>>> created.
>>>>
>>>> I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments on the NomCom
>>>> Review.   Has one been created.  If not, I can pass you forward the one
>>>> myself and Yrjo are writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not decided
>>>> is the definition of unaffiliated and what that means and entail.
>>>> Otherwise, What I have written have been accepted by the ALAC.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>     Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/attachments/20230608/f0e5eb00/attachment.htm>