From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 05:48:23 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 12:48:23 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
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++ Judith


On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
> edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year terms
> for the standing committee.  Seems too long, there are plenty of candidates
> for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have already served on
> NomCom for four years hanging around another 3?  I think 2 is lots....
>
> cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
>
> Stephanie Perrin
> On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>
> HI Tomslin,
>
> I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to answer
> the questions raised by the persons who commented on the document and it is
> now ready to go.  Let me know what else you want or need to do before this
> gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
> Hellerstein & Associates
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>
>
> On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>
> The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments
> with the contributors,  the PC normally takes a final look at it before the
> NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG.
>
> Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this one,
> I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the other NCSG
> members who are contributing to the comment (most of which are PC members)
> as endorsement.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> wrote:
>
>> HI Tomslin,
>>
>> I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he is not
>> understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are recommending.  I
>> have added in replies to his comments to explain them and hope this helps
>>
>> Here again is the link.
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the comments
>> and submit it.  Do let me know what is the process. I believe we will have
>> a one-day extension since tomorrow is a holiday in the US and ICANN usually
>> does not have comments due on the holiday as US staff are off.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>> Hellerstein & Associates
>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>
>>
>> On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>
>> Hi Judith,
>>
>> There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please
>> reconcile them?
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Juan,
>>>
>>> I would have loved to include something about it and in fact wrote
>>> something up, but was told since this item was pulled from the Public
>>> Comment we could not address it here.  We have to address this issue in
>>> both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to Sally directly
>>>
>>> That was why I pulled it from the draft statement.  In a public comment,
>>> we can only comment on what is written and not an item that has been
>>> withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I would like to add something on this review. I believe that in the same
>>> comment, we should also address the situation of NPOC, as this comment is
>>> regarding NomCom rebalance.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>> Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00 Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear PC,
>>>
>>> Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review that closes on
>>> May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi.
>>> Please provide your urgent comments to the draft by midnight UTC on
>>> Thursday 25th May.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>> Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>> To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>,
>>> Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>
>>> Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to the various
>>> Policy teams within the NCSG for comment.  I do not know who is on the PC
>>> FO to send it to so please can you send this to them for me. Also not sure
>>> of your particular style or not.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has commenting rights.
>>> What we might want to do if we run out of time before the deadline is to
>>> post a draft first and then replace it with the approved and ratified one
>>> later
>>>
>>> I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>
>>> Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>
>>> Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a google doc and
>>> ask that you share it with the PC FO input and feedback.
>>>
>>> One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to write ICANN for a
>>> little extension as it takes the entire PC a while to provide feedback and
>>> ratify public comments that  represents the NCSG's views.
>>>
>>> Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> joining you
>>> to take a lead on this.
>>> I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to support the
>>> arguments that will be put forward.
>>>
>>> Caleb
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein <
>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI All,
>>>
>>> Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for clarifying that
>>> Stephanie and you are only collaborating on the NomCom Rebalancing letter
>>> that Interim CEO Sally Costerton sent to all constituencies.  I suggested
>>> that we draft a statement in response to the public comment on the NomCom
>>> Review, and will be happy to be the Pen Holder. Basically, there are 4
>>> questions they are asking us to comment upon.  Public Comments are due May
>>> 29, 2023. I have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo as he also
>>> suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>
>>> 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment proposed for Article 7
>>> of the ICANN Bylaws and the related proposed statement defining
>>> ?Unaffiliated? Directors?
>>>
>>> 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws amendments proposed to
>>> Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the Transition Clause
>>>
>>>     Change NomCom delegates? terms to serve two-year terms, instead of
>>> one year.
>>>     Transform all NomCom delegates into voting delegates to be able to
>>> vote, except for leadership.
>>>     Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide continuity across
>>> annual NomCom cycles and to build the institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>
>>>  3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>
>>> 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC bylaws to allow them
>>> to accept a voting slot instead of the current non-voting slot
>>>
>>> Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.  Only contentious
>>> issue is the definition of unaffiliated Directors
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith Hellerstein
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer than 6 months ago.
>>>
>>>     Julf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Julf,
>>> Apparently it is too late for this, which is really sad. I was told the
>>> time to have done this negotiation was several months ago before the GNSO
>>> rejected these ideas.  Sorry but I had not been focusing on these issues 6
>>> months ago.  The suggestion that was in the original public comment was
>>> what the review committee had suggested so that the GNSO could decide for
>>> itself but apparently according to CLO, groups within the GNSO heavily
>>> resisted this change and that was why the board/ review committee took back
>>> part of the review. .  ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing
>>> but the review committee and Board got too much flack from people within
>>> the GNSO so they had to pull even this simple adjustment.
>>>
>>> Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even with the letter it is
>>> unlikely to happen again until 5 years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the
>>> slot from the NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the NCSG was
>>> because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed when these slots were first
>>> created.
>>>
>>> I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments on the NomCom Review.
>>>   Has one been created.  If not, I can pass you forward the one myself and
>>> Yrjo are writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not decided is the
>>> definition of unaffiliated and what that means and entail. Otherwise, What
>>> I have written have been accepted by the ALAC.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --     *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>     Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 07:08:37 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:08:37 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Public Comment] Amendments to the Base gTLD RA and RAA
 to Modify DNS Abuse Contract Obligations
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVDr0a4Oqtp-K2NJg0AN+Yy+kV+UweR2D40ocRKWM7nzA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear members,

One of the results of the community conversations surrounding DNS Abuse is
that the contracted party house (CPH) is proposing amendments to the gTLD
RA and 2013 RAA Agreements with the intention to "enhance obligations by
requiring registrars and registry operators to promptly take reasonable and
appropriate action to stop or otherwise disrupt DNS Abuse"

NCSG councillors in the council specifically requested that the CPH put the
negotiated text for public comments when this was discussed in the council
and this comment proceeding is as a result of that. With this in mind, the
NCSG PC is seeking volunteers to draft a comment to this effect. I know
there are many folks interested in DNS abuse here so I look forward to you
all contacting me at mesumbeslin at gmail.com

Deadline to submit the comment is 13 July 2023 but we expect the draft
about 2 weeks before then. You can find more information here:
https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/amendments-base-gtld-ra-raa-modify-dns-abuse-contract-obligations-29-05-2023
I have created a draft Google doc for the comment here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fhUPo5iMZ82K0nOMSso78AtzBL-4EVVEeZ13r5yRYaI/edit?usp=sharing

*Some things to note:*

The proposed revisions include the following:

   - Requirements to ensure abuse contacts are readily accessible on the
   contracted party?s webpage and to produce receipt confirmation for
   reporters upon receipt of abuse reports
   - Possibility for registrars and registry operators to use webforms
   instead of email as an abuse reporting mechanism
   -  A definition of DNS Abuse for purposes of the Agreements
   -  A new requirement to promptly take appropriate mitigation actions
   against domains for which the contracted party has actionable evidence
   demonstrating that the domains are being used for DNS Abuse
   -  Permits contracted parties (CPs) to exercise reasonable discretion in
   selecting and implementing the appropriate mitigation actions depending on
   the circumstances of each case
   -  Recognition of the different roles of the registrar and registry
   operator
   -  Focus on the target outcome of stopping or disrupting the use of gTLD
   domain names for DNS Abuse
   - The proposed amendments do not specify the mitigation actions, or
   their timing, as such approach may not guarantee the desired outcome in all
   instances.


Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 07:29:25 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:29:25 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
In-Reply-To: <c64f45a5-9af9-0b5f-90dc-68b15122dad4@Julf.com>
References: <78F94D6E-DD14-4EBE-8254-BC54640C5E57@icann.org>
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Thanks, Julf. I am sure we'll get there in Washington DC.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 05:39, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
> Date:   Wed, 31 May 2023 19:31:18 +0000
> From:   John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org>
> To:     sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>,
> julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>, lschulman at inta.org <lschulman at inta.org>
> CC:     Tripti Sinha <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, vanda at scartezini.org
> <vanda at scartezini.org>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Attached please find the 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14  is sent on
> behalf of John Jeffrey.
>
> Best,
> Peg
>
> --
>
> Peg Rettino (she/her)
>
> Project Specialist & Executive Assistant to John Jeffrey
>
> ICANN
>
> 12025 Waterfront Dr, Ste 300
>
> Los Angeles, CA 90094
> _______________________________________________
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  1 09:31:02 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 08:31:02 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
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References: <78F94D6E-DD14-4EBE-8254-BC54640C5E57@icann.org>
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I just wonder where "there" will be. :)

	Julf

On 01/06/2023 06:29, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Thanks, Julf. I am sure we'll get there in Washington DC.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 05:39, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject:? ? ? ? 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14
>     Date:? ?Wed, 31 May 2023 19:31:18 +0000
>     From:? ?John Jeffrey <john.jeffrey at icann.org
>     <mailto:john.jeffrey at icann.org>>
>     To:? ? ?sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>,
>     julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, lschulman at inta.org
>     <mailto:lschulman at inta.org> <lschulman at inta.org
>     <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>     CC:? ? ?Tripti Sinha <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org
>     <mailto:tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>>, vanda at scartezini.org
>     <mailto:vanda at scartezini.org>
>     <vanda at scartezini.org <mailto:vanda at scartezini.org>>
> 
> 
> 
>     Greetings,
> 
>     Attached please find the 31May23 Letter re: GNSO re: Seat 14 ?is
>     sent on
>     behalf of John Jeffrey.
> 
>     Best,
>     Peg
> 
>     -- 
> 
>     Peg Rettino (she/her)
> 
>     Project Specialist & Executive Assistant to John Jeffrey
> 
>     ICANN
> 
>     12025 Waterfront Dr, Ste 300
> 
>     Los Angeles, CA 90094
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 


From judith at jhellerstein.com  Thu Jun  1 06:21:15 2023
From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 23:21:15 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
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HI Stephanie/ Tomslin

Not sure if you saw my comment, so I am pasting it here.

There is a new rule that when the NomCom terms are changed to 2 years instead of 
1, the delegate must wait 2 years to go back on NomCom.? So it would only be 5 
years (2 on nomcom and 3 on the standing committee) at the most. That is why I 
said that the standing committee terms should not be consecutive. We need new 
blood.? I think that helps explain why I am fine with 3 years on the standing 
committee and no consecutive terms

I think if someone has served 2 years waits 2 year and then serves another 2 
years that is fine.? Or in the case of the standing committee. Serves 3 years 
and then waits 2 years again before serving again, that is also fine . It may 
not happen since there is no funding for standing committee members, so they do 
not travel.

I think this change is easier to make the changing the terms of the standing 
committee

Otherwise I think it is good to go. Manju is happy already

Best,

Judith

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On 5/31/23 10:48 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> ++ Judith
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>     Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
>     edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year terms
>     for the standing committee.? Seems too long, there are plenty of
>     candidates for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have already
>     served on NomCom for four years hanging around another 3?? I think 2 is
>     lots....
>
>     cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
>
>     Stephanie Perrin
>
>     On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>
>>     HI Tomslin,
>>
>>     I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to
>>     answer the questions raised by the persons who commented on the document
>>     and it is now ready to go.? Let me know what else you want or need to do
>>     before this gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Judith
>>
>>     _________________________________________________________________________
>>     Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>     Hellerstein & Associates
>>     3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>     Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>     Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>     E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com    Website:www.jhellerstein.com  <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>     Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>     Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>
>>     On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>     Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>>>
>>>     The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments
>>>     with the contributors,? the PC normally takes a final look at it before
>>>     the NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG.
>>>
>>>     Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this
>>>     one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the
>>>     other NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which
>>>     are PC members) as endorsement.
>>>
>>>     Warmly,
>>>     Tomslin
>>>
>>>     On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>     wrote:
>>>
>>>         HI Tomslin,
>>>
>>>         I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he is
>>>         not understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are
>>>         recommending.? I have added in replies to his comments to explain
>>>         them and hope this helps
>>>
>>>         Here again is the link.
>>>         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>         Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the
>>>         comments and submit it. Do let me know what is the process. I
>>>         believe we will have a one-day extension since tomorrow is a holiday
>>>         in the US and ICANN usually does not have comments due on the
>>>         holiday as US staff are off.
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>
>>>         Judith
>>>
>>>         _________________________________________________________________________
>>>         Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>         Hellerstein & Associates
>>>         3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>         Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>         Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>         E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com    Website:www.jhellerstein.com  <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>         Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>         Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>         On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>         Hi Judith,
>>>>
>>>>         There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please
>>>>         reconcile them?
>>>>
>>>>         Warmly,
>>>>         Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein
>>>>         <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             HI Juan,
>>>>
>>>>             I would have loved to include something about it and in fact
>>>>             wrote something up, but was told since this item was pulled
>>>>             from the Public Comment we could not address it here. We have
>>>>             to address this issue in both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to
>>>>             Sally directly
>>>>
>>>>             That was why I pulled it from the draft statement.? In a public
>>>>             comment, we can only comment on what is written and not an item
>>>>             that has been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong
>>>>
>>>>             Best,
>>>>
>>>>             Judith
>>>>
>>>>             _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>             Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>             Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>             3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>             Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>             Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>             E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com    Website:www.jhellerstein.com  <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>>             Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>>             Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>             On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>             Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>             I would like to add something on this review. I believe that
>>>>>             in the same comment, we should also address the situation of
>>>>>             NPOC, as this comment is regarding NomCom rebalance.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>>>             Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>>>             NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>>>             Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>>>>             Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>>>             Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>>>
>>>>>             /Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
>>>>>             Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>>>             <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p.?m. GMT-5, Tomslin
>>>>>             Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>>             <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Dear PC,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review that
>>>>>             closes on May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith
>>>>>             Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi. Please provide your urgent
>>>>>             comments to the draft by midnight UTC on Thursday 25th May.
>>>>>
>>>>>             Warmly,
>>>>>             Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>             From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>             Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>>>>             Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>>>>             To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>>>>             Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer
>>>>>             <plommer at gmail.com>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>>>             <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>>             <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             Hi Caleb,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to
>>>>>             the various Policy teams within the NCSG for comment.? I do
>>>>>             not know who is on the PC FO to send it to so please can you
>>>>>             send this to them for me. Also not sure of your particular
>>>>>             style or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>             Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has commenting
>>>>>             rights. What we might want to do if we run out of time before
>>>>>             the deadline is to post a draft first and then replace it with
>>>>>             the approved and ratified one later
>>>>>
>>>>>             I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>>>
>>>>>             Best,
>>>>>
>>>>>             Judith
>>>>>
>>>>>             _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>             Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>>             Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>>             3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>>             Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>>             Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>>             E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com    Website:www.jhellerstein.com  <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>             Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>>>             Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>>>>             Hi Judith,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a
>>>>>>             google doc and ask that you share it with the PC FO input and
>>>>>>             feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to write
>>>>>>             ICANN for a little extension as it takes the entire PC a
>>>>>>             while to provide feedback and ratify public comments that?
>>>>>>             represents the NCSG's views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo
>>>>>>             <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>?joining you to take a lead on
>>>>>>             this.
>>>>>>             I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to
>>>>>>             support the arguments that will be put forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Caleb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein
>>>>>>             <judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 HI All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for
>>>>>>                 clarifying that Stephanie and you are only collaborating
>>>>>>                 on the NomCom Rebalancing letter that Interim CEO Sally
>>>>>>                 Costerton sent to all constituencies. I suggested that we
>>>>>>                 draft a statement in response to the public comment on
>>>>>>                 the NomCom Review, and will be happy to be the Pen
>>>>>>                 Holder. Basically, there are 4 questions they are asking
>>>>>>                 us to comment upon.? Public Comments are due May 29,
>>>>>>                 2023. I have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo
>>>>>>                 as he also suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment proposed
>>>>>>                 for Article 7 of the ICANN Bylaws and the related
>>>>>>                 proposed statement defining ?Unaffiliated? Directors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws amendments
>>>>>>                 proposed to Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the
>>>>>>                 Transition Clause
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 ??? Change NomCom delegates? terms to serve two-year
>>>>>>                 terms, instead of one year.
>>>>>>                 ??? Transform all NomCom delegates into voting delegates
>>>>>>                 to be able to vote, except for leadership.
>>>>>>                 ??? Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide
>>>>>>                 continuity across annual NomCom cycles and to build the
>>>>>>                 institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 ?3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC
>>>>>>                 bylaws to allow them to accept a voting slot instead of
>>>>>>                 the current non-voting slot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.?
>>>>>>                 Only contentious issue is the definition of unaffiliated
>>>>>>                 Directors
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Judith Hellerstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 _________________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>                 Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>>>>                 Hellerstein & Associates
>>>>>>                 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>>>>                 Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>>>>                 Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>>>>                 E-mail:Judith at jhellerstein.com    Website:www.jhellerstein.com  <http://www.jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>>                 Linked In:www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/  <http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/>
>>>>>>                 Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>>>>>                 I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer
>>>>>>>                 than 6 months ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 ????Julf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                 On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>>>>>                 Hi Julf,
>>>>>>>>                 Apparently it is too late for this, which is really
>>>>>>>>                 sad. I was told the time to have done this negotiation
>>>>>>>>                 was several months ago before the GNSO rejected these
>>>>>>>>                 ideas. Sorry but I had not been focusing on these
>>>>>>>>                 issues 6 months ago. The suggestion that was in the
>>>>>>>>                 original public comment was what the review committee
>>>>>>>>                 had suggested so that the GNSO could decide for itself
>>>>>>>>                 but apparently according to CLO, groups within the GNSO
>>>>>>>>                 heavily resisted this change and that was why the
>>>>>>>>                 board/ review committee took back part of the review. .
>>>>>>>>                 ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing but
>>>>>>>>                 the review committee and Board got too much flack from
>>>>>>>>                 people within the GNSO so they had to pull even this
>>>>>>>>                 simple adjustment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even with
>>>>>>>>                 the letter it is unlikely to happen again until 5
>>>>>>>>                 years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the slot from the
>>>>>>>>                 NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the NCSG
>>>>>>>>                 was because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed when
>>>>>>>>                 these slots were first created.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments on
>>>>>>>>                 the NomCom Review. ??Has one been created.? If not, I
>>>>>>>>                 can pass you forward the one myself and Yrjo are
>>>>>>>>                 writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not decided
>>>>>>>>                 is the definition of unaffiliated and what that means
>>>>>>>>                 and entail. Otherwise, What I have written have been
>>>>>>>>                 accepted by the ALAC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Best,
>>>>>>>>                 Judith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>                 judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>>>                 Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 ??? -- *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 ??? Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  1 18:03:40 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:03:40 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: REMINDER - Deadline 31 May 2023 | Invitation to
 Review Participation in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs
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Hi Tomslin,

Have you heard anything back?

	Julf

On 30/05/2023 22:32, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Julf, team,
> 
> I have reached out to our current reps to see if they are willing to 
> continue. Will advise once I hear back from them.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 02:33, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
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>     From:? ?Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org
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>     To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
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> 
>     ***Reminder, response needed - Deadline 31 May 2023*
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> 
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  1 18:05:35 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:05:35 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] PLEASE CONFIRM | Invitation to Review Participation
 in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs | Deadline 31 May 2023
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Dear Julie,

We have reached out to Peter and Emmanuel, but haven't yet heard back.
We will let you know as soon as we hear back.

	Julf


On 01/06/2023 17:00, Julie Bisland wrote:
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Can you confirm if Peter Taiwo Akinremi and Emmanuel Vitus will be 
> continuing in their role as NCSG members on the EPDP-IDNs Team? Since 
> phase 2 deliberations have already been taking place, and the 
> finalization of phase 1 work is expected to resume after ICANN77, is it 
> safe to assume they will continue to represent the NCSG and that no new 
> members are being put forward?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Julie
> 
> *From: *Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Terri 
> Agnew via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
> *Reply-To: *Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:36 AM
> *To: *"julf at julf.com" <julf at julf.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>, 
> "gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon 
> <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[gnso-chairs] REMINDER | nvitation to Review Participation in 
> the GNSO EPDP-IDNs | Deadline 31 May 2023
> 
> ***Reminder, response needed.*
> 
> Dear Julf,
> 
> On behalf of the GNSO Council, please find attached the Invitation to 
> Review Participation concerning the Expedited Policy Development Process 
> on Internationalized Domain Names (EPDP-IDNs). As the EPDP Team is 
> expected to start its Phase 2 deliberations soon, each ICANN community 
> group is invited to review its participation in the EPDP Team, and to 
> confirm its existing Members or to appoint new Members as appropriate.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> With kind regards,
> 
> *Terri*
> 
> *????????????---*
> 
> *Terri Agnew*
> 
> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
> 
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
> *Skype ID:*? terri.agnew.icann
> 
> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/ 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
> 
> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO 
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
> 
> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are 
> located on the GNSO Master 
> Calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
> 


From julf at Julf.com  Thu Jun  1 21:22:37 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 20:22:37 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Action needed | Call for Expressions of Interest:
 GNSO Alternate Non-Registry Liaison to the Customer Standing Committee
In-Reply-To: <F84BD310-DEBC-4AA5-B7D3-43376435F4F8@icann.org>
References: <F84BD310-DEBC-4AA5-B7D3-43376435F4F8@icann.org>
Message-ID: <2ae79bce-7721-f8af-b82c-6bb34c399bc0@Julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Action needed | Call for Expressions of Interest: GNSO 
Alternate Non-Registry Liaison to the Customer Standing Committee
Date: 	Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:08:44 +0000
From: 	Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
CC: 	Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, gnso-chairs at icann.org 
<gnso-chairs at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>



**Sent on behalf of the GNSO Chair

Dear Julf,

The GNSO Council is currently seeking volunteers who wish to be an 
alternate liaison to the Customer Standing Committee (CSC) for the term 
beginning 1 October 2023.

The CSC ensures the satisfactory performance of the Internet Assigned 
Numbers Authority (IANA) naming function.

The CSC is responsible for monitoring Public Technical Identifier?s 
(PTI) performance of the IANA naming function against the service level 
expectations in the IANA Naming Function Contract. The CSC analyzes 
performance reports provided by PTI and publishes its findings.

The CSC is authorized to undertake remedial action to address poor 
performance of the IANA naming function, and if performance issues are 
not remedied, may escalate the issues to the ccNSO and GNSO. 
Additionally, the CSC may recommend changes to the naming Service Level 
Expectations as well as enhancements to the provision of the IANA naming 
services.

Candidates should review the CSC Candidates Qualification Requirements 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-skill-set-matrix-members-liaisons-04jun19-en.pdf>for 
details about candidate selection and the CSC Charter 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-charter-amended-27jun18-en.pdf>to 
understand the scope of the requirements and duties. The CSC onboarding 
deck <https://www.icann.org/en/csc/onboarding>may also be a helpful 
resource.

Candidates are requested to submit the attached Expression of Interest 
and their Resume to the gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> 
, by Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 17:00 UTC.

Best regards,

Sebastien Ducos

GNSO Chair
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 23:02:43 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 06:02:43 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: REMINDER - Deadline 31 May 2023 | Invitation to
 Review Participation in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs
In-Reply-To: <58f9eeda-9231-1689-e6a7-ae77e20a1724@Julf.com>
References: <058861F6-8613-43BD-9EC0-F18A63282B58@icann.org>
 <717afea3-d423-50e3-5180-b07692def998@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeUO4yog0ZXA50a43t8eT9B1UEbPCqA=9ZLN8jXjXTrSbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <58f9eeda-9231-1689-e6a7-ae77e20a1724@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVOoqjgSZdh3ZP1KPRjFoVb_efbWoB5EAPj4BAw4xs5ig@mail.gmail.com>

I have today, yes.
They both are willing to continue.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 01:03, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin,
>
> Have you heard anything back?
>
>         Julf
>
> On 30/05/2023 22:32, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> > Hi Julf, team,
> >
> > I have reached out to our current reps to see if they are willing to
> > continue. Will advise once I hear back from them.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Tomslin
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 02:33, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
> > <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >     Subject:        REMINDER - Deadline 31 May 2023 | Invitation to
> Review
> >     Participation in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs
> >     Date:   Tue, 30 May 2023 16:30:27 +0000
> >     From:   Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org
> >     <mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org>>
> >     To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com> <julf at julf.com
> >     <mailto:julf at julf.com>>
> >     CC:     Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
> >     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>, gnso-secs at icann.org
> >     <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
> >     <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
> >
> >
> >
> >     ***Reminder, response needed - Deadline 31 May 2023*
> >
> >     Dear Julf,
> >
> >     On behalf of the GNSO Council, please find attached the Invitation to
> >     Review Participation concerning the Expedited Policy Development
> >     Process
> >     on Internationalized Domain Names (EPDP-IDNs). As the EPDP Team is
> >     expected to start its Phase 2 deliberations soon, each ICANN
> community
> >     group is invited to review its participation in the EPDP Team, and to
> >     confirm its existing Members or to appoint new Members as
> appropriate.
> >
> >     Thank you.
> >
> >     With kind regards,
> >
> >     *Terri*
> >
> >     *            ---*
> >
> >     *Terri Agnew*
> >
> >     Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
> >
> >     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >
> >     *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
> >
> >     Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
> >     <https://learn.icann.org/>
> >     <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=
> >>
> >
> >     Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
> >     <https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO>
> >     <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=
> >>
> >
> >     Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events
> are
> >     located on the GNSO Master
> >     Calendar<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=
> >>
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     NCSG-PC mailing list
> >     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
> >     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> >     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> >
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From julf at Julf.com  Fri Jun  2 08:55:22 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 07:55:22 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: REMINDER - Deadline 31 May 2023 | Invitation to
 Review Participation in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVOoqjgSZdh3ZP1KPRjFoVb_efbWoB5EAPj4BAw4xs5ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <058861F6-8613-43BD-9EC0-F18A63282B58@icann.org>
 <717afea3-d423-50e3-5180-b07692def998@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeUO4yog0ZXA50a43t8eT9B1UEbPCqA=9ZLN8jXjXTrSbA@mail.gmail.com>
 <58f9eeda-9231-1689-e6a7-ae77e20a1724@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeVOoqjgSZdh3ZP1KPRjFoVb_efbWoB5EAPj4BAw4xs5ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a53cbfdc-33b8-3b9d-f211-43a8d1b3e037@Julf.com>

Great! Thanks!

	Julf


On 01/06/2023 22:02, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> I have today, yes.
> They both are willing to continue.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 01:03, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Tomslin,
> 
>     Have you heard anything back?
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
>     On 30/05/2023 22:32, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>      > Hi Julf, team,
>      >
>      > I have reached out to our current reps to see if they are willing to
>      > continue. Will advise once I hear back from them.
>      >
>      > Warmly,
>      > Tomslin
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 02:33, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>      > <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >? ? ?-------- Forwarded Message --------
>      >? ? ?Subject:? ? ? ? REMINDER - Deadline 31 May 2023 | Invitation
>     to Review
>      >? ? ?Participation in the GNSO EPDP-IDNs
>      >? ? ?Date:? ?Tue, 30 May 2023 16:30:27 +0000
>      >? ? ?From:? ?Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org
>     <mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org>
>      >? ? ?<mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org <mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org>>>
>      >? ? ?To: julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>> <julf at julf.com
>     <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>      >? ? ?<mailto:julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>>>
>      >? ? ?CC:? ? ?Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>      >? ? ?<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>>, gnso-secs at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>      >? ? ?<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>      >? ? ?<gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>>
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      >? ? ?***Reminder, response needed - Deadline 31 May 2023*
>      >
>      >? ? ?Dear Julf,
>      >
>      >? ? ?On behalf of the GNSO Council, please find attached the
>     Invitation to
>      >? ? ?Review Participation concerning the Expedited Policy Development
>      >? ? ?Process
>      >? ? ?on Internationalized Domain Names (EPDP-IDNs). As the EPDP
>     Team is
>      >? ? ?expected to start its Phase 2 deliberations soon, each ICANN
>     community
>      >? ? ?group is invited to review its participation in the EPDP
>     Team, and to
>      >? ? ?confirm its existing Members or to appoint new Members as
>     appropriate.
>      >
>      >? ? ?Thank you.
>      >
>      >? ? ?With kind regards,
>      >
>      >? ? ?*Terri*
>      >
>      >? ? ?*????????????---*
>      >
>      >? ? ?*Terri Agnew*
>      >
>      >? ? ?Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>      >
>      >? ? ?Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>      >
>      >? ? ?*Skype ID:*? terri.agnew.icann
>      >
>      >? ? ?Find out more about the GNSO by visiting:
>     https://learn.icann.org/ <https://learn.icann.org/>
>      >? ? ?<https://learn.icann.org/ <https://learn.icann.org/>>
>      >   
>      ?<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>>>
>      >
>      >? ? ?Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>     <https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO>
>      >? ? ?<https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO <https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO>>
>      >   
>      ?<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>>>
>      >
>      >? ? ?Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council
>     events are
>      >? ? ?located on the GNSO Master
>      >   
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  2 16:28:39 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 13:28:39 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-EC]  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
Message-ID: <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>

Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible. 

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join. 

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
    > 
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    > 
    > 	Julf
    > 
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$ [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 03:05:04 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 10:05:04 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Call for Expressions of Interest: GNSO Alternate
 Non-Registry Liaison to the Customer Standing Committee
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVZW1C0iFCfOxQYFar+rGyPTRRowZAMXq3oGD4ULAiFeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear members,

The GNSO Council is an alternate liaison to the Customer Standing
Committee. See the message below. Expressions of interest can be sent
directly to GNSO Secretariat, email address also below.

Warmly,
Tomslin
Policy Committee Chair

---------- Forwarded message ---------
**Sent on behalf of the GNSO Chair

Dear Julf,

The GNSO Council is currently seeking volunteers who wish to be an
alternate liaison to the Customer Standing Committee (CSC) for the term
beginning 1 October 2023.

The CSC ensures the satisfactory performance of the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority (IANA) naming function.

The CSC is responsible for monitoring Public Technical Identifier?s
(PTI) performance of the IANA naming function against the service level
expectations in the IANA Naming Function Contract. The CSC analyzes
performance reports provided by PTI and publishes its findings.

The CSC is authorized to undertake remedial action to address poor
performance of the IANA naming function, and if performance issues are
not remedied, may escalate the issues to the ccNSO and GNSO.
Additionally, the CSC may recommend changes to the naming Service Level
Expectations as well as enhancements to the provision of the IANA naming
services.

Candidates should review the CSC Candidates Qualification Requirements
<
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-skill-set-matrix-members-liaisons-04jun19-en.pdf>for

details about candidate selection and the CSC Charter
<
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-charter-amended-27jun18-en.pdf>to

understand the scope of the requirements and duties. The CSC onboarding
deck <https://www.icann.org/en/csc/onboarding>may also be a helpful
resource.

Candidates are requested to submit the attached Expression of Interest
and their Resume to the gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
, by Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 17:00 UTC.

Best regards,

Sebastien Ducos

GNSO Chair
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 16:13:30 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 23:13:30 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVN+uNmnoOP1=VDMP4a7BdgrMybxCuK-HWXxsEt6zuxsg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with
human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make
it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are
best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Hello all!
>
> Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I
> do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is
> possible.
>
> I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think
> the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I
> will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.
>
> Thanks!
> Kind Regards,
> Andrea
>
>
> ?On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>     I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in
> the middle of the night for me).
>
>     Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.
>
>     Best,
>     Robin
>
>     > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
> ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>     >
>     > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>     > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>     >
>     >   Julf
>     >
>     > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>     >> Hello all!
>     >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have
> reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the
> times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
>     >> Thanks!
>     >> Kind Regards,
>     >> Andrea
>     >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>     >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
>     >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <
> daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>     >> Hello all,
>     >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The
> agenda items are being gathered.
>     >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>     >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>     >> . At ICANN77:
>     >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>     >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>     >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>     >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>     >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are
> happening during the times they have suggested above:
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>     >> Thank you!
>     >> *Andrea Glandon*
>     >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>     >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>     >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>     >> _______________________________________________
>     >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>     >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>     >>
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun  5 16:16:17 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:16:17 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVN+uNmnoOP1=VDMP4a7BdgrMybxCuK-HWXxsEt6zuxsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
 <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
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Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 13:23:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
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Message-ID: <5D5AC616-59EB-4189-B659-76CC0331B2BC@icann.org>

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Jun  6 23:30:51 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 20:30:51 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <5D5AC616-59EB-4189-B659-76CC0331B2BC@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
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Message-ID: <CEFC292F-5C7C-41A7-993A-CB8E34B6D154@icann.org>

Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> NCSG-PC mailing list
    >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
    >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Wed Jun  7 00:52:35 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 17:52:35 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <4DD5ED13-89AE-4BD6-B450-727FE2529B8B@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <4DD5ED13-89AE-4BD6-B450-727FE2529B8B@icann.org>
Message-ID: <970d30f5-d0fb-6b11-e611-e09d1444ade8@digitaldiscretion.ca>

Where are we with this?? How about a doodle poll, if we dont yet have a time

Steph

On 2023-05-25 10:19 a.m., Andrea Glandon wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> Resending to include the NCSG PC.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck 
> <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>
> Hello all,
>
> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The 
> agenda items are being gathered.
>
> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>
> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
> . At ICANN77:
> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>
> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are 
> happening during the times they have suggested above: 
> https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>
> Thank you!
>
> *Andrea Glandon*
>
> Policy Operations Coordinator
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*acglandon76
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Wed Jun  7 01:12:42 2023
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 18:12:42 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
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 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
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 <0FD832D5-D1AD-4284-B93E-B3FA7149C7FC@icann.org>
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A complete overlap with the Closed Generic Small Team Meeting 1 (but 
there is a Meeting 2 on Tues).

Whatever works, All.? If nothing works, perhaps Andrea can help us 
schedule a Zoom call for two weeks after ICANN77?

Best, Kathy

On 6/6/2023 4:30 PM, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at 
> ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time 
> slot with them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>Ad
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting 
> with NCSG
>
> I have an agenda!
>
> The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it 
> seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am 
> meeting during ICANN77.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting 
> with NCSG
>
> Thank you, Tomslin.
>
> I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The 
> other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before 
> the sessions begin.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting 
> with NCSG
>
> Thanks Andrea.
>
> Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with 
> human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really 
> make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time 
> slots are best.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Tomslin
>
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>
>
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>     Hello all!
>
>     Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the
>     event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting
>     after ICANN77 is possible.
>
>     I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I
>     think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is
>     important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and
>     hope that others can join.
>
>     Thanks!
>     Kind Regards,
>     Andrea
>
>
>     On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org> wrote:
>
>     ? ? I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are
>     literally in the middle of the night for me).
>
>     ? ? Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us? Thank you.
>
>     ? ? Best,
>     ? ? Robin
>
>     ? ? > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC
>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>     ? ? >
>     ? ? > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>     ? ? > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>     ? ? >
>     ? ? >? ?Julf
>     ? ? >
>     ? ? > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>     ? ? >> Hello all!
>     ? ? >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after
>     ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for
>     them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for
>     them, at ICANN77.
>     ? ? >> Thanks!
>     ? ? >> Kind Regards,
>     ? ? >> Andrea
>     ? ? >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     ? ? >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>     ? ? >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
>     ? ? >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck
>     <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>     ? ? >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>     ? ? >> Hello all,
>     ? ? >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the
>     NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
>     ? ? >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>     ? ? >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>     ? ? >> . At ICANN77:
>     ? ? >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>     ? ? >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>     ? ? >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>     ? ? >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>     ? ? >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what
>     sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above:
>     https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>     ? ? >> Thank you!
>     ? ? >> *Andrea Glandon*
>     ? ? >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>     ? ? >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>     ? ? >> *Skype ID:*? acglandon76
>     ? ? >> _______________________________________________
>     ? ? >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>     ? ? >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>     ? ? >>
>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$
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>     [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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>     [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
>
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 12:10:13 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 11:10:13 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <CEFC292F-5C7C-41A7-993A-CB8E34B6D154@icann.org>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
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 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
 <2182AB02-A599-4D92-930F-BDD6D1B5D2B3@ipjustice.org>
 <6738E1EB-59A9-4C29-9C71-A62BE54D2976@icann.org>
 <CAM8DdeVN+uNmnoOP1=VDMP4a7BdgrMybxCuK-HWXxsEt6zuxsg@mail.gmail.com>
 <0FD832D5-D1AD-4284-B93E-B3FA7149C7FC@icann.org>
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 <CEFC292F-5C7C-41A7-993A-CB8E34B6D154@icann.org>
Message-ID: <de452094-2248-876b-dad0-b5503c69bcb5@Julf.com>

Works for me.

	Julf


On 06/06/2023 22:30, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at 
> ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time 
> slot with them?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> I have an agenda!
> 
> The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it 
> seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am 
> meeting during ICANN77.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea 
> Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> Thank you, Tomslin.
> 
> I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The 
> other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the 
> sessions begin.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Andrea
> 
> *From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
> *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> 
> Thanks Andrea.
> 
> Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with 
> human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really 
> make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time 
> slots are best.
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> Tomslin
> 
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>
> 
> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC 
> <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> 
>     Hello all!
> 
>     Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the
>     event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after
>     ICANN77 is possible.
> 
>     I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I
>     think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is
>     important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope
>     that others can join.
> 
>     Thanks!
>     Kind Regards,
>     Andrea
> 
> 
>     On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org
>     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> 
>      ? ? I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are
>     literally in the middle of the night for me).
> 
>      ? ? Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?? Thank you.
> 
>      ? ? Best,
>      ? ? Robin
> 
>      ? ? > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC
>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
>      ? ? > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? >? ?Julf
>      ? ? >
>      ? ? > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>      ? ? >> Hello all!
>      ? ? >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77.
>     I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also,
>     below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
>      ? ? >> Thanks!
>      ? ? >> Kind Regards,
>      ? ? >> Andrea
>      ? ? >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
>     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>      ? ? >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
>      ? ? >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>"
>     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
>      ? ? >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org
>     <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck
>     <daniel.gluck at icann.org <mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea
>     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
>      ? ? >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
>      ? ? >> Hello all,
>      ? ? >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the
>     NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
>      ? ? >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
>      ? ? >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
>      ? ? >> . At ICANN77:
>      ? ? >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
>      ? ? >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
>      ? ? >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
>      ? ? >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
>      ? ? >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what
>     sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above:
>     https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
>     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>>
>      ? ? >> Thank you!
>      ? ? >> *Andrea Glandon*
>      ? ? >> Policy Operations Coordinator
>      ? ? >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>      ? ? >> *Skype ID:*? acglandon76
>      ? ? >> _______________________________________________
>      ? ? >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>      ? ? >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>      ? ? >>
>     https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc__;!!PtGJab4!4aOv_4K3g6uuPQOa_JMLC17IaqOhIYveAF78rsfaErLzRA6N4Cwoa-dEVDXL_ttYTYDqyVFPjOCSmRobnxcj1QwKyg$> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
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From manju at nii.org.tw  Wed Jun  7 12:12:03 2023
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 17:12:03 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
In-Reply-To: <de452094-2248-876b-dad0-b5503c69bcb5@Julf.com>
References: <132BF7CB-7A0D-4C3B-9A14-C7426D5E73B5@icann.org>
 <2882D393-3306-43F3-B792-7FD4E5EE704A@icann.org>
 <211723ce-1818-261c-4044-f4427c261db6@Julf.com>
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Works for me, too.

Thank you Andrea!

Best,
Manju

On Wed, Jun 7, 2023 at 5:10?PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Works for me.
>
>         Julf
>
>
> On 06/06/2023 22:30, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC wrote:
> > Hello all!
> >
> > This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at
> > ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time
> > slot with them?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> > *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea
> > Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> > *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
> > *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>,
> > "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with
> NCSG
> >
> > I have an agenda!
> >
> > The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it
> > seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am
> > meeting during ICANN77.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> > *From: *NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea
> > Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Reply-To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> > *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
> > *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > *Cc: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>,
> > "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with
> NCSG
> >
> > Thank you, Tomslin.
> >
> > I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The
> > other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the
> > sessions begin.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> > *From: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> > *Date: *Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
> > *To: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> > *Cc: *Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is"
> > <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > *Subject: *Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with
> NCSG
> >
> > Thanks Andrea.
> >
> > Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with
> > human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really
> > make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time
> > slots are best.
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Tomslin
> >
> > @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]
> > <
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC
> > <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hello all!
> >
> >     Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the
> >     event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after
> >     ICANN77 is possible.
> >
> >     I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I
> >     think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is
> >     important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope
> >     that others can join.
> >
> >     Thanks!
> >     Kind Regards,
> >     Andrea
> >
> >
> >     On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org
> >     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >
> >          I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are
> >     literally in the middle of the night for me).
> >
> >          Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.
> >
> >          Best,
> >          Robin
> >
> >          > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC
> >     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
> >          >
> >          > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
> >          > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
> >          >
> >          >   Julf
> >          >
> >          > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
> >          >> Hello all!
> >          >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77.
> >     I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also,
> >     below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at
> ICANN77.
> >          >> Thanks!
> >          >> Kind Regards,
> >          >> Andrea
> >          >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org
> >     <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
> >          >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
> >          >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>"
> >     <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
> >          >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org
> >     <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck
> >     <daniel.gluck at icann.org <mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea
> >     Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
> >          >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
> >          >> Hello all,
> >          >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the
> >     NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
> >          >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
> >          >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
> >          >> . At ICANN77:
> >          >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
> >          >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
> >          >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
> >          >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
> >          >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what
> >     sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above:
> >     https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
> >     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
> >     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77
> >     <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>>
> >          >> Thank you!
> >          >> *Andrea Glandon*
> >          >> Policy Operations Coordinator
> >          >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >          >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
> >          >> _______________________________________________
> >          >> NCSG-PC mailing list
> >          >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
> >          >>
> >
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> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
> >          > _______________________________________________
> >          > NCSG-EC mailing list
> >          > NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is>
> >          >
> >
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> [lists[.]ncsg[.]is]
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 15:05:12 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:05:12 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Facilitated Meeting with NCSG and CSG Excoms in DC
 Next Week, 
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Facilitated Meeting with NCSG and CSG Excoms in DC Next Week,
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 14:03:36 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>, paul at elstermcgrady.com 
<paul at elstermcgrady.com>
CC: Melissa Allgood <melissa.allgood at icann.org>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 
MCole at perkinscoie.com <mcole at perkinscoie.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>

Dear Lori,

Happy to sit down and discuss how to establish better communications,
but feel it is too early in the process to discuss specific details
such as amending Annex 7.

Yes, please have Brenda send out a doodle, and we'll see if a large
enough part of our executive committee can be available.

	Julf

On 06/06/2023 19:35, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf and Paul,
> 
> I want to thank you for reaching out and for the commitment you have 
> demonstrated to resolving the Board Seat 14 issue. The CSG ExCom agrees 
> that there is much to discuss in terms of moving forward with filling 
> Board Seat 14 and establishing ongoing, productive communications 
> between our stakeholder groups. This includes drafting amendments to the 
> 2018 agreement to be effective in 2026.
> 
> As explained in earlier communications to Julf, we do believe that we 
> have common interests and goals that have been overlooked as we have 
> engaged in the day-to-day business of contributing to ICANN?s 
> policymaking process and governance. However, we also believe that there 
> are flaws in the 2018 agreement that should be corrected as soon 
> possible and in tandem with the 2023 Board Seat 14 nomination process.  
> To be clear, we are honoring the 2018 agreement now.? We would like to 
> have the changes implemented for 2026.
> 
> We are in agreement that we should engage in a face-to-face facilitated 
> meeting at ICANN77.? We are very happy to have Paul serve as the 
> facilitator so that the discussion may be held in full transparency 
> within our side of the house. We propose that the 2 ExComs meet together 
> and see if we can work out a way to move forward.
> 
> We want to thank Melissa for her help and she is copied here as a 
> courtesy.? Melissa has offered to continue to support us as needed.
> 
> We will say that the one area in which we have agreement is that any 
> discussions should be open and transparent.? So, we are also open to 
> having observers at our meeting in DC. However, we would ask that the 
> speakers be limited to the ExCom members.? We feel that this would serve 
> the needs of both stakeholder groups in terms of managing the 
> conversation and operating in full transparency.
> 
> Please let me know if this is agreeable to both of you.? If so, Brenda 
> will send a doodle to both ExComs for either a Wed or Thurs meeting.  
> Most schedules seem a little lighter for Wed lunch or Thursday morning 
> through lunch.
> 
> <http://www.inta.org/>
> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
> inta.org <https://www.inta.org/>***|***Locations 
> <https://www.inta.org/about/contact-us/>***|***Social Media 
> <https://www.inta.org/about/social-media/>
> 


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun  7 15:51:23 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:51:23 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re:  PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
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Thank you, all!

I have received 4 responses that this time works so I am going to book it so we don?t lose out. More information to follow.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 15:31
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
    >> _______________________________________________
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun  7 16:45:47 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 13:45:47 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG meeting with PSWG
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NCSG meeting with the PSWG will take place on Monday, 12 June 2023 at 09:00-10:15 local time. There will be no services for this meeting (no Zoom, tech support, etc). The room will be determed shortly and I will add to this invitation once I have that information.



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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Jun  7 19:46:16 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:46:16 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Possble framing of conversation
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Thoughts?

On the supposed alignment, I think d is the only one we fully
agree with. On the friction points, I think 1 - board seat 14 -
should be the immediate priority.

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Possble framing of conversation
Date: 	Wed, 7 Jun 2023 16:38:49 +0000
From: 	Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: 	paul at elstermcgrady.com <paul at elstermcgrady.com>, Johan Helsingius 
<julf.helsingius at gmail.com>



Hi Paul and Julf,

Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.

Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to agree 
on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:

      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
         framework and whether it makes sense
      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:

  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination
  2. Amending Annex 7
  3. Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
     for transparency sake)

I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.? 
Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
exception not a default.

Looking forward to turning the page.

<http://www.inta.org/>

	

Lori Schulman

Senior Director, Internet Policy

*International Trademark Association*

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 03:28:11 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 10:28:11 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
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 Hi all,

Just closing the loop on this. I have submitted the NCSG comment. Thank you
Judith and everyone who contributed to the comment.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 13:21, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> HI Stephanie/ Tomslin
>
> Not sure if you saw my comment, so I am pasting it here.
>
> There is a new rule that when the NomCom terms are changed to 2 years
> instead of 1, the delegate must wait 2 years to go back on NomCom.  So it
> would only be 5 years (2 on nomcom and 3 on the standing committee) at the
> most. That is why I said that the standing committee terms should not be
> consecutive. We need new blood.  I think that helps explain why I am fine
> with 3 years on the standing committee and no consecutive terms
>
> I think if someone has served 2 years waits 2 year and then serves another
> 2 years that is fine.  Or in the case of the standing committee. Serves 3
> years and then waits 2 years again before serving again, that is also fine
> . It may not happen since there is no funding for standing committee
> members, so they do not travel.
>
> I think this change is easier to make the changing the terms of the
> standing committee
>
> Otherwise I think it is good to go. Manju is happy already
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
> Hellerstein & Associates
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>
>
> On 5/31/23 10:48 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> ++ Judith
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 00:02, Stephanie E Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for taking some of my suggestions Judith....I added a few more
>> edits to tighten it; my only substantive query now is on three year terms
>> for the standing committee.  Seems too long, there are plenty of candidates
>> for the standing committee, we dont need folks who have already served on
>> NomCom for four years hanging around another 3?  I think 2 is lots....
>>
>> cheers and many thanks for all this hard work!
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>> On 2023-05-30 7:56 p.m., Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>
>> HI Tomslin,
>>
>> I have resolved all the comments and also added in some phrasing to
>> answer the questions raised by the persons who commented on the document
>> and it is now ready to go.  Let me know what else you want or need to do
>> before this gets ratified by the NCSG councillors
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>> Hellerstein & Associates
>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>
>>
>> On 5/29/23 12:24 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>
>> Hi and thanks again, Judith.
>>
>> The process is this: once the penholdet (you) has addressed all comments
>> with the contributors,  the PC normally takes a final look at it before the
>> NCSG PC chair (me) submits the comment on behalf of NCSG.
>>
>> Seeing that we don't have time for another whole of PC review on this
>> one, I will rely on the collaboration effort between yourself and the other
>> NCSG members who are contributing to the comment (most of which are PC
>> members) as endorsement.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Mon, 29 May 2023, 06:59 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Tomslin,
>>>
>>> I accepted some of the changes but could not accept Rafik's as he is not
>>> understanding how the NomCom Operates and what they are recommending.  I
>>> have added in replies to his comments to explain them and hope this helps
>>>
>>> Here again is the link.
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Once Rafik has read this and accepted it, I can resolve all the comments
>>> and submit it.  Do let me know what is the process. I believe we will have
>>> a one-day extension since tomorrow is a holiday in the US and ICANN usually
>>> does not have comments due on the holiday as US staff are off.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/28/23 9:29 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>
>>> There are some comments on the document you shared. Can you please
>>> reconcile them?
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 at 02:37, Judith Hellerstein <
>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Juan,
>>>>
>>>> I would have loved to include something about it and in fact wrote
>>>> something up, but was told since this item was pulled from the Public
>>>> Comment we could not address it here.  We have to address this issue in
>>>> both NPOC's and the NCSG's comments to Sally directly
>>>>
>>>> That was why I pulled it from the draft statement.  In a public
>>>> comment, we can only comment on what is written and not an item that has
>>>> been withdrawn. Please correct me if I was wrong
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/23 11:24 AM, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add something on this review. I believe that in the
>>>> same comment, we should also address the situation of NPOC, as this comment
>>>> is regarding NomCom rebalance.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>>>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>>>> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
>>>> Founding member - ISOC Colombia
>>>> Master IT candidate, UNAD
>>>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00 Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El martes, 23 de mayo de 2023, 03:47:22 p. m. GMT-5, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>
>>>> Below is a draft to the Public Comments on NomCom Review that closes on
>>>> May 29 (Monday next week) drafted by Judith Hellerstein and Peter Akinremi.
>>>> Please provide your urgent comments to the draft by midnight UTC on
>>>> Thursday 25th May.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: *Judith Hellerstein* <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 at 00:08
>>>> Subject: Re: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
>>>> To: Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>,
>>>> Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Caleb,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the draft comment that I propose to send out for to the various
>>>> Policy teams within the NCSG for comment.  I do not know who is on the PC
>>>> FO to send it to so please can you send this to them for me. Also not sure
>>>> of your particular style or not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJbnMKrjFY-MSlziTej_iV4fUVD1VoB-hyQ_OJu55Dg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Peter and I have editing writes, but everyone has commenting rights.
>>>> What we might want to do if we run out of time before the deadline is to
>>>> post a draft first and then replace it with the approved and ratified one
>>>> later
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in seeing your opinion on this
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/23 9:25 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for coming up with this.
>>>>
>>>> Since we have a short timeline, can we put the draft in a google doc
>>>> and ask that you share it with the PC FO input and feedback.
>>>>
>>>> One thing we can request through the PC is ask them to write ICANN for
>>>> a little extension as it takes the entire PC a while to provide feedback
>>>> and ratify public comments that  represents the NCSG's views.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to see @Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com> joining you
>>>> to take a lead on this.
>>>> I'm sure he can provide you with some NCSG perspective to support the
>>>> arguments that will be put forward.
>>>>
>>>> Caleb
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2023, 2:38 PM Judith Hellerstein <
>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI All,
>>>>
>>>> Good talk on today's NCSG Call. Caleb, thanks for clarifying that
>>>> Stephanie and you are only collaborating on the NomCom Rebalancing letter
>>>> that Interim CEO Sally Costerton sent to all constituencies.  I suggested
>>>> that we draft a statement in response to the public comment on the NomCom
>>>> Review, and will be happy to be the Pen Holder. Basically, there are 4
>>>> questions they are asking us to comment upon.  Public Comments are due May
>>>> 29, 2023. I have also cc'd my fellow NomCom rep, Peter Taiwo as he also
>>>> suggested he was interested in helping draft.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Our Input on the Fundamental Bylaws amendment proposed for Article 7
>>>> of the ICANN Bylaws and the related proposed statement defining
>>>> ?Unaffiliated? Directors?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Our Input on the proposed Standard Bylaws amendments proposed to
>>>> Article 8 of the ICANN Bylaws as well as the Transition Clause
>>>>
>>>>     Change NomCom delegates? terms to serve two-year terms, instead of
>>>> one year.
>>>>     Transform all NomCom delegates into voting delegates to be able to
>>>> vote, except for leadership.
>>>>     Create a NomCom Standing Committee to provide continuity across
>>>> annual NomCom cycles and to build the institutional memory of the NomCom.
>>>>
>>>>  3) Our Input on the NomCom Standing Committee Charter?
>>>>
>>>> 4) Our input on the required changes to their RSSAC bylaws to allow
>>>> them to accept a voting slot instead of the current non-voting slot
>>>>
>>>> Here is a PowerPoint slide describing these changes.  Only contentious
>>>> issue is the definition of unaffiliated Directors
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Judith Hellerstein
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>>>> Hellerstein & Associates
>>>> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>>>> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>>>> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>>>> E-mail: Judith at jhellerstein.com   Website: www.jhellerstein.com
>>>> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>>>> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/22/23 7:33 AM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the GNSO decision not to go there was longer than 6 months ago.
>>>>
>>>>     Julf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21/05/2023 16:55, Judith Hellerstein wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>> Apparently it is too late for this, which is really sad. I was told the
>>>> time to have done this negotiation was several months ago before the GNSO
>>>> rejected these ideas.  Sorry but I had not been focusing on these issues 6
>>>> months ago.  The suggestion that was in the original public comment was
>>>> what the review committee had suggested so that the GNSO could decide for
>>>> itself but apparently according to CLO, groups within the GNSO heavily
>>>> resisted this change and that was why the board/ review committee took back
>>>> part of the review. .  ALAC was for it and wanted to see this rebalancing
>>>> but the review committee and Board got too much flack from people within
>>>> the GNSO so they had to pull even this simple adjustment.
>>>>
>>>> Our best shot is the letter to sally however, even with the letter it
>>>> is unlikely to happen again until 5 years. Maybe the NCSG can take back the
>>>> slot from the NCUC as the only reason it was not given to the NCSG was
>>>> because NPOC and the NCSG had not existed when these slots were first
>>>> created.
>>>>
>>>> I have not heard from Stephanie about the comments on the NomCom
>>>> Review.   Has one been created.  If not, I can pass you forward the one
>>>> myself and Yrjo are writing for ALAC. The only contested issue not decided
>>>> is the definition of unaffiliated and what that means and entail.
>>>> Otherwise, What I have written have been accepted by the ALAC.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Judith
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     --     *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>     Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>>
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From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 19:53:18 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 18:53:18 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possble framing of conversation
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Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these
points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends
on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an
immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way
premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address
rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail
account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the
email system of inta.org refuses mails from my normal address
(but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to
send from gmail to be able to reach you.

	Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
> 
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
> 
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to agree 
> on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
> 
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout 
> 
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
> 
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination
>  2. Amending Annex 7
>  3. Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
> 
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.  
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
> 
> Looking forward to turning the page.
> 
> <http://www.inta.org/>
> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
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> <https://www.inta.org/about/contact-us/>***|***Social Media 
> <https://www.inta.org/about/social-media/>
> 


From lschulman at inta.org  Thu Jun  8 02:21:07 2023
From: lschulman at inta.org (Lori Schulman)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:21:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possble framing of conversation
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Hi Julf,

No problem with using your julf.com address.
In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.

Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.

With kind regards,
?


Lori Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association
LSchulman at inta.org?
inta.org??|??Locations??|??Social Media


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.

	Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
> 
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
> 
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to 
> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
> 
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
> 
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
> 
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3. 
> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
> 
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
> 
> Looking forward to turning the page.
> 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
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> 
> 	
> 
> Lori Schulman
> 
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> 
> *International Trademark Association*
> 
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
> 
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89w
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From paul at elstermcgrady.com  Thu Jun  8 03:24:54 2023
From: paul at elstermcgrady.com (Paul McGrady)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 00:24:54 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possible framing of conversation
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Thank you both for this exchange.  I look forward to seeing you both next week.

Best,
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:21 PM
To: julf at julf.com; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: RE: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Julf,

No problem with using your julf.com address.
In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.

Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.

With kind regards,



Lori Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association
LSchulman at inta.org
inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
and "reasonable" means in this context.

On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.

I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.

Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.

        Julf


On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Paul and Julf,
>
> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would 
> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an 
> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>
> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to 
> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>
>      1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>      2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>         framework and whether it makes sense
>      3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>      4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>
> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>
>  1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>     for transparency sake)
>
> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
> exception not a default.
>
> Looking forward to turning the page.
>
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
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> PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>
>
>
> Lori Schulman
>
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>
> *International Trademark Association*
>
> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>
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This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.

From judith at jhellerstein.com  Thu Jun  8 03:40:58 2023
From: judith at jhellerstein.com (Judith Hellerstein)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 20:40:58 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Public Comments on NomCom Review closes on May 29
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 04:04:26 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 11:04:26 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed ICANN77 PC meeting agenda
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWoqdNhR0ogx08U0KQsm3rLzj5WO8MjONY2Ggs88rLmQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

See below proposed agenda for our meeting next week.


   1.

   Welcome from Tomslin
   2.

   Review of GNSO Council meeting agenda - Tomslin
   3.

   Update on Applicant Support GGP - Rafik
   4.

   SubPro recommendations discussion - Stephanie
   5.

   Update on Closed Generics - Kathy
   6. SOI Task force update - Manju
   7.

   Open Public Comment Proceedings - Tomslin
   8. AoB


@Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> @Kathy Kleiman
<kathy at kathykleiman.com> @Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> Do let me
know if this is okay with you.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 13:20:45 2023
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 19:20:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed ICANN77 PC meeting agenda
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeWoqdNhR0ogx08U0KQsm3rLzj5WO8MjONY2Ggs88rLmQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWoqdNhR0ogx08U0KQsm3rLzj5WO8MjONY2Ggs88rLmQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkOJ-vZzGtRvuXC72gbrEzupaFtetf0TK3kX13UZZOEfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tomslin,


Looks fine to me, is it possible for me to start earlier?

Best,

Rafik

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 10:04 Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> See below proposed agenda for our meeting next week.
>
>
>    1.
>
>    Welcome from Tomslin
>    2.
>
>    Review of GNSO Council meeting agenda - Tomslin
>    3.
>
>    Update on Applicant Support GGP - Rafik
>    4.
>
>    SubPro recommendations discussion - Stephanie
>    5.
>
>    Update on Closed Generics - Kathy
>    6. SOI Task force update - Manju
>    7.
>
>    Open Public Comment Proceedings - Tomslin
>    8. AoB
>
>
> @Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> @Kathy Kleiman
> <kathy at kathykleiman.com> @Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> Do let me
> know if this is okay with you.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 14:45:12 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 21:45:12 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed ICANN77 PC meeting agenda
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkOJ-vZzGtRvuXC72gbrEzupaFtetf0TK3kX13UZZOEfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWoqdNhR0ogx08U0KQsm3rLzj5WO8MjONY2Ggs88rLmQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThkOJ-vZzGtRvuXC72gbrEzupaFtetf0TK3kX13UZZOEfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeX_yJs36uEqT+wfHfa=Xzs=yTe5S=1eGFoNO8rrjt1i-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafik,

Yes. I was thinking about that too. To put you before the Council agenda. I
will do that.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 8 June 2023, 20:21 Rafik Dammak, <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin,
>
>
> Looks fine to me, is it possible for me to start earlier?
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2023, 10:04 Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> See below proposed agenda for our meeting next week.
>>
>>
>>    1.
>>
>>    Welcome from Tomslin
>>    2.
>>
>>    Review of GNSO Council meeting agenda - Tomslin
>>    3.
>>
>>    Update on Applicant Support GGP - Rafik
>>    4.
>>
>>    SubPro recommendations discussion - Stephanie
>>    5.
>>
>>    Update on Closed Generics - Kathy
>>    6. SOI Task force update - Manju
>>    7.
>>
>>    Open Public Comment Proceedings - Tomslin
>>    8. AoB
>>
>>
>> @Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> @Kathy Kleiman
>> <kathy at kathykleiman.com> @Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> Do let
>> me know if this is okay with you.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 14:58:09 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 21:58:09 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] ICANN77 NCSG Policy Committee session agenda
In-Reply-To: <05014538-7B14-4EE8-AB08-9BC2FA56BD31@icann.org>
References: <05014538-7B14-4EE8-AB08-9BC2FA56BD31@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVan42pU4wt=J=1GMp5kJ6fzW41zSSqkPYax1NeWuPDkA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrea,

I have updated the agenda.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Wed, 31 May 2023, 01:36 Andrea Glandon, <andrea.glandon at icann.org> wrote:

> Hello all!
>
>
>
> Please find below a link to the NCSG Policy draft agenda for ICANN77.
> Please make additions/changes and I will get this updated on the official
> agenda here: https://community.icann.org/x/e4ZXDg.
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bdvf1nhFSwvgQjo5JiWd3DRAuPV1yD07-Y3n9wIqokY/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Andrea Glandon*
>
> Policy Operations Coordinator
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Thu Jun  8 14:59:24 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 11:59:24 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: ICANN77 NCSG Policy Committee session agenda
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeVan42pU4wt=J=1GMp5kJ6fzW41zSSqkPYax1NeWuPDkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <05014538-7B14-4EE8-AB08-9BC2FA56BD31@icann.org>
 <CAM8DdeVan42pU4wt=J=1GMp5kJ6fzW41zSSqkPYax1NeWuPDkA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE3542AF-11C1-4490-8C46-01202DB38A1F@icann.org>

Thank you, Tomslin!

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, June 8, 2023 at 06:58
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Re: ICANN77 NCSG Policy Committee session agenda

Hi Andrea,

I have updated the agenda.
Warmly,
Tomslin

On Wed, 31 May 2023, 01:36 Andrea Glandon, <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>> wrote:
Hello all!

Please find below a link to the NCSG Policy draft agenda for ICANN77. Please make additions/changes and I will get this updated on the official agenda here: https://community.icann.org/x/e4ZXDg.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Bdvf1nhFSwvgQjo5JiWd3DRAuPV1yD07-Y3n9wIqokY/edit?usp=sharing [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1Bdvf1nhFSwvgQjo5JiWd3DRAuPV1yD07-Y3n9wIqokY/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PtGJab4!-nqLTnQB-xL2sTV9l4TC55hd6tq3rNSzVJrQyePrCxWiPRxMxl_tR4v8YeFxmRtNxtouWiI9EYq3Vp_m20gug9ffyUJ3FQ$>

Thanks!
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 16:03:46 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 15:03:46 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possble framing of conversation
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Thanks Lori,

Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.

While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel
any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might
discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and
co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that
regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive
to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.

We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem
in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.

While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues
of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7
at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the
current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should
be our top priority.

Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC
next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more
relaxed social context as well.

	Julf


On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> 
> No problem with using your julf.com address.
> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> 
> 
> Lori Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association
> LSchulman at inta.org
> inta.org??|??Locations??|??Social Media
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
> 
> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
> and "reasonable" means in this context.
> 
> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
> 
> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
> 
> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
> 
> 	Julf
> 
> 
> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>
>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it would
>> be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help drive an
>> agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>
>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.? However, we seem to
>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>
>>       1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>       2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>          framework and whether it makes sense
>>       3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>       4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>
>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>
>>   1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>      for transparency sake)
>>
>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before
>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are
>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an
>> exception not a default.
>>
>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c=
>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tjev
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>>
>> 	
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>>
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>
>> *International Trademark Association*
>>
>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89w
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>> gTI,&typo=1>
>>


From paul at elstermcgrady.com  Thu Jun  8 17:29:49 2023
From: paul at elstermcgrady.com (Paul McGrady)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:29:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possible framing of conversation
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Thanks Julf and Lori.

I'll throw on some Great Lakes bluntness too.  I don't think email exchanges have worked in the past.  Let's not insist on conditions to meet and discuss items of interest.  Can we agree to set aside the back and forth until then?  Otherwise, it seems likely that both sides will arrive at any meeting further entrenched.  How does that sound to both of you?

Best,
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:04 AM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation

Thanks Lori,

Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.

While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.

We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.

While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7 at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should be our top priority.

Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more relaxed social context as well.

        Julf


On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
>
> No problem with using your julf.com address.
> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
>
> With kind regards,
>
>
>
> Lori Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association
> LSchulman at inta.org
> inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
>
> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
> and "reasonable" means in this context.
>
> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
>
> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
>
> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
>
>       Julf
>
>
> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>
>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it 
>> would be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help 
>> drive an agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>
>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to 
>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>
>>       1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>       2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>          framework and whether it makes sense
>>       3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>       4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>
>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>
>>   1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>      for transparency sake)
>>
>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before 
>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are 
>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an 
>> exception not a default.
>>
>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c
>> = 
>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tje
>> v PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>>
>>
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>>
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>
>> *International Trademark Association*
>>
>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89
>> w 
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>> n
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>>
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From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 17:41:21 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 16:41:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Possible framing of conversation
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Sounds good, Paul!

See you both next week.

	Julf

On 08/06/2023 16:29, Paul McGrady wrote:
> Thanks Julf and Lori.
> 
> I'll throw on some Great Lakes bluntness too.  I don't think email exchanges have worked in the past.  Let's not insist on conditions to meet and discuss items of interest.  Can we agree to set aside the back and forth until then?  Otherwise, it seems likely that both sides will arrive at any meeting further entrenched.  How does that sound to both of you?
> 
> Best,
> Paul
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 8:04 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; Paul McGrady <paul at elstermcgrady.com>
> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
> 
> Thanks Lori,
> 
> Apologies in advance for my Nordic bluntness.
> 
> While we understand that the CSG feels strongly about Annex 7, we feel any discussion about is definitely premature at this stage. We might discuss it once we have worked out ways to improve communication and co-operation within the NCP, but considering the current issues in that regard, we feel strongly that discussing removing the major incentive to co-operation between the NCSG and CSG would be counterproductive.
> 
> We don't see the current Annex 7 being flawed. What you see as a problem in 3 years, we see as an opportunity for creating consensus.
> 
> While we are happy to sit down in DC to talk about the general issues of communication and co-operation, we don't believe discussing Annex 7 at this stage would be useful, and we still believe completing the current round of Board Seat 14 nomination as quickly as possible should be our top priority.
> 
> Looking forward to trying to resolve the issue face to face in DC next week - as well as looking forward to seeing you all in a more relaxed social context as well.
> 
>          Julf
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2023 01:21, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Hi Julf,
>>
>> No problem with using your julf.com address.
>> In terms of the rest, let's wait for the in person discussion.  As we discussed, my stakeholder group feels strongly about not delaying opening Annex 7 to discussion.  We see this issue as tied to the Board Seat 14 nomination and do not wish to delay correcting a flawed agreement.  There is a risk that if we don't apply the same urgency, the review will not get done and we will experience this problem again in 3 years. We can solve both issues in tandem if there is a will do so.  We are not in alignment with NCSG on that point. Hopefully, we can get there or to some reasonable compromise.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing you all next week in DC.
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Lori Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association
>> LSchulman at inta.org
>> inta.org  |??Locations  |??Social Media
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 6:53 PM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>; paul at elstermcgrady.com
>> Cc: NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> Subject: Re: Possble framing of conversation
>>
>> Hi Lori, and thanks for getting things started. I will discuss these points with my executive and policy teams. A lot of course depends on definitions - we might have different views on what "well-defined"
>> and "reasonable" means in this context.
>>
>> On the friction points, I think the Board Seat 14 nomination is an immediate priority - I don't think discussing it is in any way premature.
>>
>> I totally agree with as much transparency as possible.
>>
>> Lori, could I ask you to use julf at julf.com as my email address rather than julf.helsingius at gmail.com? I don't check my gmail account as often, and the only reason I use it is that the email system of https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,Nfs9o5XfmIO_pyVGJXE52oN8IDAAtO1s7RjcrQuscHoEnOdPtXe7zUAb-pxBVEirh2SGXoIKJRdQViTj-thvYj8Qs3_8iiTpfnj4OhFNLZTTfBbFHm4Tig,,&typo=1 refuses mails from my normal address (but I have no problem receiving your emails), so I have to send from gmail to be able to reach you.
>>
>>        Julf
>>
>>
>> On 07/06/2023 18:38, Lori Schulman wrote:
>>> Hi Paul and Julf,
>>>
>>> Pursuant to earlier email exchanged with Julf, we agreed that it
>>> would be a good idea to develop common House goals that would help
>>> drive an agenda where we are aligned rather than in areas that we have friction.
>>>
>>> Not sure if it is too early for that either.  However, we seem to
>>> agree on the following in terms of priorities for our House and ICANN:
>>>
>>>        1. Implementation of Policy Recommendations (unclog the pipes)
>>>        2. Well-defined holistic review including examining the GNSO
>>>           framework and whether it makes sense
>>>        3. Reasonable and well documented DNS Abuse mitigation procedures
>>>        4. Addressing volunteer workload and burnout
>>>
>>> Identified Friction points which may be premature for discussion:
>>>
>>>    1. Moving on with Board Seat 14 nomination  2. Amending Annex 7  3.
>>> Access to Domain Registration Data (huge hot topic but putting here
>>>       for transparency sake)
>>>
>>> I always like to start discussions by identifying alignment before
>>> friction points. In this case, I am comfortable saying that we are
>>> strongly aligned that all discussions should be transparent.
>>> Confidentiality, if we feel it necessary at times, should be an
>>> exception not a default.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to turning the page.
>>>
>>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org%2f&c
>>> =
>>> E,1,tb2zj9j4cJRe9GR4wxRjYQN3dCxqSxqIUNLFYIPVYLZfdMropoqAEIevdyLxJ6Tje
>>> v PMTeBMI24n5zMSmuCrFcU0VQhJHsCG5mlEpGiQew,,&typo=1>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lori Schulman
>>>
>>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>>>
>>> *International Trademark Association*
>>>
>>> LSchulman at inta.org <mailto:rodonnell at Inta.org?subject=Hello>
>>>
>>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2finta.org&c=E,1,89
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>>> _
>>> gTI,&typo=1>
>>>
> This email originated from outside the firm. Please use caution.


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 16:20:26 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:20:26 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] UPDATE-PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
Message-ID: <F93C81B2-C6AF-4F28-83C4-C279A3F43A59@icann.org>

Hello again,

Unfortunately I have just heard from GAC staff that the PSWG is no longer able to meet on Monday. We will have to schedule something after ICANN77. I am waiting to hear back from GAC staff about times for this meeting, but I think generally 12:00-16:00 UTC are good times for the PSWG. As soon as I am able, I will get a Doodle poll sent out.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 07:51
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, all!

I have received 4 responses that this time works so I am going to book it so we don?t lose out. More information to follow.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 15:31
To: "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Hello all!

This is the final slot that is available for meeting the PSWG at ICANN77. Monday, 12 June 9-10:15 local time. Shall I reserve this time slot with them?

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:24
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

I have an agenda!

The PSWG would like to discuss WHOIS and DNS Abuse issues. Also, it seems they are still trying to find out if they can have the 8-9 am meeting during ICANN77.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Reply-To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:16
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thank you, Tomslin.

I am currently trying to get agenda items so we can better plan. The other item to note, every day 8:00-9:00 is an option, an hour before the sessions begin.


Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, June 5, 2023 at 08:14
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-EC] [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG

Thanks Andrea.

Without an agenda, it is hard to say but in my opinion, a meeting with human proximity is always better. But I am not sure if we can really make it happen in DC. If we will, my calendar says the 5pm local time slots are best.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ [linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/__;!!PtGJab4!9eq2_MO7QdPcwEXcL-HkVDeAEnB1RJy1hEl7C_kluVuL8-00eZHIvitM8O5ktSR3Aao8mNNpSRXsJ6KFBlzm8lHvbLG3WA$>


On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 23:28, Andrea Glandon via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
Hello all!

Just to note, these times for ICANN77 are in local time for the event. I do not have an agenda yet. I have asked if a meeting after ICANN77 is possible.

I need to know whether a face to face is important? If it isn't, I think the after ICANN77 is a better bet. If face to face is important, then I will choose a time that Julf is available and hope that others can join.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


On 5/30/23, 13:22, "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org<mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:

    I could make a 17:00 UTC time slot (all the others are literally in the middle of the night for me).

    Do we know what topic they wish to discuss with us?  Thank you.

    Best,
    Robin

    > On May 30, 2023, at 9:28 AM, Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>> wrote:
    >
    > I can do the Monday and Tuesday times, and the times between
    > 12-16:00 UTC the week before ICANN77 if needed.
    >
    >   Julf
    >
    > On 30/05/2023 17:29, Andrea Glandon wrote:
    >> Hello all!
    >> I saw some suggestions of having this meeting after ICANN77. I have reached out to the PSWG to see if this works for them. Also, below are the times they suggested that would work for them, at ICANN77.
    >> Thanks!
    >> Kind Regards,
    >> Andrea
    >> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Date: *Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 08:54
    >> *To: *"ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>
    >> *Cc: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org<mailto:daniel.gluck at icann.org>>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
    >> *Subject: *PSWG Informal Meeting with NCSG
    >> Hello all,
    >> The PSWG would like to have an informal meeting with the NCSG. The agenda items are being gathered.
    >> Here are some choices for meeting times:
    >> Either prior to the ICANN Meeting: Between 12-16:00 UTC
    >> . At ICANN77:
    >> - Monday 12 09:00-10:15
    >> - Tuesday 13 10:45-12:15
    >> - Every day from 08:00 to 09:00
    >> - Potentially, at the end of the day 17:00-18:00
    >> Here is a link to the ICANN77 so you all can see what sessions are happening during the times they have suggested above: https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77 <https://meetings.icann.org/en/icann77>
    >> Thank you!
    >> *Andrea Glandon*
    >> Policy Operations Coordinator
    >> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
    >> *Skype ID:*  acglandon76
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 16:20:48 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 13:20:48 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Canceled: NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <8db053979d54433b825eeba5b1f81ce8@icann.org>

NCSG meeting with the PSWG will take place on Monday, 12 June 2023 at 09:00-10:15 local time. There will be no services for this meeting (no Zoom, tech support, etc). The room will be determed shortly and I will add to this invitation once I have that information.



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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun  9 18:20:54 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 15:20:54 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 17:19:21 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:19:21 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] SubPro Recommendation 17.2 - Applicant Support
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeX9qUsETDprFuEQ-k3XGZvMHnhHDvijorWV9t1FbzUfZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

As you might know, the council has been discussing internally and with the
board on how best to address the 38 pending SubPro recommendations that the
board hasn't yet adopted. On Sunday, the council got information from the
board that Recommendation 17.2 related to Applicant support will not be
adopted as written and the council is considering addressing this with a
supplemental recommendation.

This is the current text of Recommendation 17.2:
*The Working Group recommends expanding the scope of financial support
provided to Applicant Support Program beneficiaries beyond the application
fee to also cover costs such as application writing fees and attorney fees
related to the application process will not be adopted*

and the concern the board has is the following:
"*The Board remains concerned, as previously voiced as part of its comment
on the Draft Final Report, over the open-ended nature of these fees as
affirmative payments of costs beyond application fees could raise fiduciary
concerns for the Board*."

This is  a very important topic to NCSG and I have heard from some members
that our councillors should continue pushing for the board to consider
adopting this recommendation, which we plan to do. At the same time
however, in case the board moves forward with non-adoption of this
recommendation, *I would like to know from you all if you have any ideas on
what a supplementary recommendation on Applicant Support might look like?*

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Tue Jun 13 19:17:50 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Digital)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 12:17:50 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] SubPro Recommendation 17.2 - Applicant Support
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeX9qUsETDprFuEQ-k3XGZvMHnhHDvijorWV9t1FbzUfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeX9qUsETDprFuEQ-k3XGZvMHnhHDvijorWV9t1FbzUfZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E8FF689-F874-420B-86DC-643916A46912@digitaldiscretion.ca>

There should be objector support too.  Going to be expensive to atop things, let alone monitor.  I think an independent monitoring system would br helpful, otherwise how does one track what is going on?
Stephanie Perrin 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:22, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dear all,
> 
> As you might know, the council has been discussing internally and with the board on how best to address the 38 pending SubPro recommendations that the board hasn't yet adopted. On Sunday, the council got information from the board that Recommendation 17.2 related to Applicant support will not be adopted as written and the council is considering addressing this with a supplemental recommendation.
> 
> This is the current text of Recommendation 17.2: 
> The Working Group recommends expanding the scope of financial support provided to Applicant Support Program beneficiaries beyond the application fee to also cover costs such as application writing fees and attorney fees related to the application process will not be adopted 
> 
> and the concern the board has is the following:
> "The Board remains concerned, as previously voiced as part of its comment on the Draft Final Report, over the open-ended nature of these fees as  affirmative payments of costs beyond application fees could raise fiduciary concerns for the Board."
> 
> This is  a very important topic to NCSG and I have heard from some members that our councillors should continue pushing for the board to consider adopting this recommendation, which we plan to do. At the same time however, in case the board moves forward with non-adoption of this recommendation, I would like to know from you all if you have any ideas on what a supplementary recommendation on Applicant Support might look like?
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
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From julf at julf.com  Wed Jun 21 10:11:26 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 09:11:26 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: URGENT REMINDER | Action needed | Call for
 Expressions of Interest: GNSO Alternate Non-Registry Liaison to the
 Customer Standing Committee
In-Reply-To: <BCF31537-DD12-4D63-A0DA-A3005600E467@icann.org>
References: <BCF31537-DD12-4D63-A0DA-A3005600E467@icann.org>
Message-ID: <d148d2d4-2169-677e-7541-f39d8345b2c0@julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	URGENT REMINDER | Action needed | Call for Expressions of 
Interest: GNSO Alternate Non-Registry Liaison to the Customer Standing 
Committee
Date: 	Tue, 20 Jun 2023 16:35:41 +0000
From: 	Devan Reed <devan.reed at icann.org>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
CC: 	gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, gnso-chairs at icann.org 
<gnso-chairs at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>



**Sent on behalf of the GNSO Chair

Dear Julf,

The GNSO Council is currently seeking volunteers who wish to be an 
alternate liaison to the Customer Standing Committee (CSC) for the term 
beginning 1 October 2023.

The CSC ensures the satisfactory performance of the Internet Assigned 
Numbers Authority (IANA) naming function.

The CSC is responsible for monitoring Public Technical Identifier?s 
(PTI) performance of the IANA naming function against the service level 
expectations in the IANA Naming Function Contract. The CSC analyzes 
performance reports provided by PTI and publishes its findings.

The CSC is authorized to undertake remedial action to address poor 
performance of the IANA naming function, and if performance issues are 
not remedied, may escalate the issues to the ccNSO and GNSO. 
Additionally, the CSC may recommend changes to the naming Service Level 
Expectations as well as enhancements to the provision of the IANA naming 
services.

Candidates should review the CSC Candidates Qualification Requirements 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-skill-set-matrix-members-liaisons-04jun19-en.pdf>for 
details about candidate selection and the CSC Charter 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/csc-charter-amended-27jun18-en.pdf>to 
understand the scope of the requirements and duties. The CSC onboarding 
deck <https://www.icann.org/en/csc/onboarding>may also be a helpful 
resource.

Candidates are requested to submit the attached Expression of Interest 
and their Resume to the gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> 
, by Wednesday, 21 June 2023 at 17:00 UTC.

Best regards,

Sebastien Ducos

GNSO Chair
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Jun 21 20:54:07 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:54:07 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER-DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <B9F9465C-7F56-45C6-820B-592E8DCCEE3D@icann.org>

Hello all,

Kind reminder to fill out the Doodle to schedule a meeting with the PSWG.

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa


Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From julf at julf.com  Wed Jun 21 22:08:25 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 21:08:25 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: REMINDER: Please provide input on rebalancing the
 NomCom
In-Reply-To: <81250A54-3D22-41CB-83E6-76E0E99208F5@icann.org>
References: <81250A54-3D22-41CB-83E6-76E0E99208F5@icann.org>
Message-ID: <6cf8ef98-e39f-411c-7db3-f0de85e98669@julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	REMINDER: Please provide input on rebalancing the NomCom
Date: 	Wed, 21 Jun 2023 19:03:51 +0000
From: 	Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
To: 	aso-chairs at aso.icann.org <aso-chairs at aso.icann.org>, Alejandra 
Reynoso Barral <alejandra.reynoso at gmail.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org 
<gnso-chairs at icann.org>, csg-excomm at icann.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, 
Cole, Mason (POR) <MCole at perkinscoie.com>, Lori Schulman 
<lschulman at inta.org>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com 
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, 
Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at gmail.com>, Raoul Plommer 
<plommer at gmail.com>, aheineman at godaddy.com <aheineman at godaddy.com>, 
Demetriou, Samantha <sdemetriou at verisign.com>, chair at rysg.info 
<chair at rysg.info>, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>, 
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>, 
amritachoudhury at ccaoi.in <amritachoudhury at ccaoi.in>, 
sebicann at bachollet.fr <sebicann at bachollet.fr>, aho at usma.ac.pa 
<aho at usma.ac.pa>, Greg Shatan [NARALO] <gregshatanalac at gmail.com>, 
nicustkd at gmail.com <nicustkd at gmail.com>, jeff at isc.org <jeff at isc.org>, 
Rod Rasmussen <rod at rodrasmussen.com>
CC: 	Ozan Sahin <ozan.sahin at icann.org>, Steve Sheng 
<steve.sheng at icann.org>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel at icann.org>, Joke 
Braeken <joke.braeken at icann.org>, Kimberly Carlson 
<kimberly.carlson at icann.org>, Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, 
gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN At-Large Staff 
<staff at atlarge.icann.org>, Heidi Ullrich <Heidi.Ullrich at icann.org>, 
GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>, Rob Hoggarth 
<robert.hoggarth at icann.org>, Danielle Rutherford 
<danielle.rutherford at icann.org>, Kathy Schnitt 
<kathy.schnitt at icann.org>, Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>, 
Alperen Eken <alperen.eken at icann.org>



Dear community leaders,

On 26 April, ICANN Board Chair Tripti Sinha sent a letter to you 
requesting feedback from your respective community groups on the 
question of rebalancing the Nominating Committee (NomCom) by *30 June 
2023*. As noted in the letter, the ICANN Board wishes to engage with the 
community to understand the community?s views on this topic. The Board 
is specifically seeking input on the following questions:

1. What does it mean to have a balanced NomCom at a point in time? For 
example, what criteria would you apply to measure or assess whether the 
NomCom is balanced? And further, how can one test whether or not the 
NomCom is balanced?

2. Do you support the view that the current composition of the NomCom 
needs to be rebalanced? Please explain why or why not.

3. How frequently does the balance need to be measured or assessed?

4. How do you suggest that the NomCom?s composition be rebalanced?

5. Who should conduct this work, and how should it be conducted?

6. How would your community group prioritize consideration of this issue 
within your planning efforts?

The letter includes additional background on the work to date on this 
topic, including by the NomCom Review Implementation Working Group that 
was set up to implement the outcomes of the Second NomCom Review (see 
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence 
<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/correspondence> for each of the 
letters sent to all 21 SOAC leaders). In addition, on 25 May 2023, the 
Chair of the Board?s Organizational Effectiveness Committee, Katrina 
Sataki, and members of ICANN org?s Reviews Support & Accountability team 
gave a presentation to the GNSO Council that covered the present 
structure of NomCom, a brief history of the rebalancing matter and 
forthcoming actions. As such, you may find the presentation 
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/presentation/presentation-gnso-council-nomcom-rebalancing-revised-25may23-en.pdf>?and 
the recording 
<https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/7pSQ37mSB5wGz8-msQS2PDpzhQ6VdJQISm2SYmWKwfFMWFM_Z6FdMsFiipNyIV-E.J55mm5SBjoZJS9d9?startTime=1684990882000>?(from 
00:14:10 - 00:31:38) helpful in discussing any planned feedback with 
your members.

Please do not hesitate to let me or your staff support teams know if you 
require any additional information before the requested feedback date of 
30 June. Thank you!

Cheers

Mary

Mary Wong

Vice President, Strategic Policy Management

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)

Email: mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>

http://www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org>



From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 22:18:19 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 05:18:19 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Feedback on the Draft Framework for Closed Generic gTLDs
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWpgfjiMW4oeYLHu9biTXrS753Eoi15fqZ69AGGsWhVBw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings everyone.

As you know, the GAC-GNSO-ALAC Facilitated Dialogue on Closed Generic gTLDs
has published a draft Framework for Closed Generics which you can find here
<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/244944418/Draft%20Framework%20for%20Closed%20Generic%20gTLDs.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1686258007000&api=v2>.


Feedback is being requested from the community on the framework until 15
July 2023. In this regard, I have created this Google document
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RC1Ev4YYcBw-_wO8K9J5YJ9Nbd39Hpi63pRcDaIzPTU/edit?usp=sharing>
for members to put comments they might have on the draft framework. The PC
will send these on behalf of NCSG.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Jun 26 15:49:22 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 12:49:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
In-Reply-To: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>
References: <8A093F99-6BB5-46B7-9881-9E341D193BAF@icann.org>
Message-ID: <B1E517BA-3B5A-430D-A5A0-F18916314AEA@icann.org>

Hello all,

I want to give an update on this Doodle. It looks like the meeting will not happen this week. I am waiting on more PSWG members to complete the Doodle.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 14:26:03 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:26:03 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for Volunteers] NCSG Member to the Second IANA
 Naming Function Review (IFR)
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeW147L1Mjn3Y2Sa1+aX-m6054Ew86OmJQG5PbTG0FYATQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW147L1Mjn3Y2Sa1+aX-m6054Ew86OmJQG5PbTG0FYATQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUiMm1rBZ3Z=MAFi64LE2fAJ2tf+gfyMneuPiyUGL45PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear PC,

I have forwarded to you the expression of interest of Stephen Dakyi.

Please urgently let me know if you have any objections with us appointing
him as our rep to IFR2 by end of today UTC 00:00 considering that we are
late in getting anyone to show interest in this work.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Tue, 23 May 2023, 07:19 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The ICANN Board is convening the second IANA Naming Function Review (IFR)
> team. The IANA Naming Function Review (IFR) is an accountability mechanism
> mandated
> by ICANN?s Bylaws Article 18 to ensure that Public Technical Identifiers
> (PTI) meets the needs and expectations of its naming customer. For more
> information, go to
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/bryce-to-reynoso-et-al-06apr23-en.pdf
>
> According to Bylaws Section 18.7, we must appoint a member to form part of
> the team. So, this call is for members to submit expressions of
> interest.All candidates for appointment to the IFR team as a member or
> liaison are required to submit an expression of interest to the appointing
> organization, stating:
> ? Why the candidate is interested in becoming involved in the IFR team.
> ? What skills the candidate would bring to the IFR team.
> ? The candidate's knowledge of the IANA functions.
> ? The candidate's understanding of the purpose of the IFR team.
> ? That the candidate understands the time necessary to participate in the
> IFR process
> and can commit to the role.
>
> If you're interested, please send through an EOI to me and copy Julf
> (julf at Julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org)
> *Note that the deadline for submission is June 10th 2023*.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 21:36:45 2023
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 19:36:45 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for Volunteers] NCSG Member to the Second IANA
 Naming Function Review (IFR)
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUiMm1rBZ3Z=MAFi64LE2fAJ2tf+gfyMneuPiyUGL45PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW147L1Mjn3Y2Sa1+aX-m6054Ew86OmJQG5PbTG0FYATQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUiMm1rBZ3Z=MAFi64LE2fAJ2tf+gfyMneuPiyUGL45PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d08GeeRBF3ceWeJVbNjr-ozFE1wNR+OWbQf=z2cZiL=t2A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tomslin,

Since there are no other volunteer, we can have him represent. However,
would have prefer someone with understanding of IANA functions and
operations.

Regards.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:26?PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear PC,
>
> I have forwarded to you the expression of interest of Stephen Dakyi.
>
> Please urgently let me know if you have any objections with us appointing
> him as our rep to IFR2 by end of today UTC 00:00 considering that we are
> late in getting anyone to show interest in this work.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023, 07:19 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> The ICANN Board is convening the second IANA Naming Function Review (IFR)
>> team. The IANA Naming Function Review (IFR) is an accountability mechanism
>> mandated
>> by ICANN?s Bylaws Article 18 to ensure that Public Technical Identifiers
>> (PTI) meets the needs and expectations of its naming customer. For more
>> information, go to
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/bryce-to-reynoso-et-al-06apr23-en.pdf
>>
>> According to Bylaws Section 18.7, we must appoint a member to form part
>> of the team. So, this call is for members to submit expressions of
>> interest.All candidates for appointment to the IFR team as a member or
>> liaison are required to submit an expression of interest to the appointing
>> organization, stating:
>> ? Why the candidate is interested in becoming involved in the IFR team.
>> ? What skills the candidate would bring to the IFR team.
>> ? The candidate's knowledge of the IANA functions.
>> ? The candidate's understanding of the purpose of the IFR team.
>> ? That the candidate understands the time necessary to participate in the
>> IFR process
>> and can commit to the role.
>>
>> If you're interested, please send through an EOI to me and copy Julf
>> (julf at Julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org)
>> *Note that the deadline for submission is June 10th 2023*.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>


-- 
Best regards

*Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
------ ------ -------  ------ ------ -------  ------ ------ ------- ------
------ -------  ------ ------
*Policy Advisory | Data Governance and Privacy Consultant | Information
Security & Cybersecurity | Certified Salesforce Administrator*
*Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
*Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com, peterexecute at gmail.com
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From julf at julf.com  Thu Jun 29 22:23:58 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:23:58 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for Volunteers] NCSG Member to the Second IANA
 Naming Function Review (IFR)
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d08GeeRBF3ceWeJVbNjr-ozFE1wNR+OWbQf=z2cZiL=t2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW147L1Mjn3Y2Sa1+aX-m6054Ew86OmJQG5PbTG0FYATQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUiMm1rBZ3Z=MAFi64LE2fAJ2tf+gfyMneuPiyUGL45PQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGK4d08GeeRBF3ceWeJVbNjr-ozFE1wNR+OWbQf=z2cZiL=t2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e6ffecf2-3465-c974-181f-6793a545489a@julf.com>

Raymond Mamattah has also expressed interest, but has not yet submitted
a formal expression of interest.

	Julf

On 29/06/2023 20:36, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote:
> Hi Tomslin,
> 
> Since there are no other volunteer, we can have him represent. However, 
> would have prefer someone with understanding of IANA functions and 
> operations.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 12:26?PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar 
> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Dear PC,
> 
>     I have forwarded to you the expression of interest of Stephen Dakyi.
> 
>     Please urgently let me know if you have any objections with us
>     appointing him as our rep to IFR2 by end of today UTC 00:00
>     considering that we are late in getting anyone to show interest in
>     this work.
> 
>     Warmly,
>     Tomslin
> 
>     On Tue, 23 May 2023, 07:19 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         Dear all,
> 
>         The ICANN Board is convening the second IANA Naming Function
>         Review (IFR) team. The IANA Naming Function Review (IFR) is an
>         accountability mechanism mandated
>         by ICANN?s Bylaws Article 18 to ensure that Public Technical
>         Identifiers (PTI) meets the needs and expectations of its naming
>         customer. For more information, go to
>         https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/bryce-to-reynoso-et-al-06apr23-en.pdf <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/bryce-to-reynoso-et-al-06apr23-en.pdf>
> 
>         According to Bylaws Section 18.7, we must appoint a member to
>         form part of the team. So, this call is for members to submit
>         expressions of interest.All candidates for appointment to the
>         IFR team as a member or liaison are required to submit an
>         expression of interest to the appointing organization, stating:
>         ? Why the candidate is interested in becoming involved in the
>         IFR team.
>         ? What skills the candidate would bring to the IFR team.
>         ? The candidate's knowledge of the IANA functions.
>         ? The candidate's understanding of the purpose of the IFR team.
>         ? That the candidate understands the time necessary to
>         participate in the IFR process
>         and can commit to the role.
> 
>         If you're interested, please send through an EOI to me and copy
>         Julf (julf at Julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org
>         <mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>)
>         *Note that the deadline for submission is June 10th 2023*.
>         Warmly,
>         Tomslin
>         @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>         <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best regards
> 
> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
> ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------ 
> ------ ------- ------ ------
> *Policy Advisory | Data Governance and Privacy Consultant | Information 
> Security & Cybersecurity | Certified Salesforce Administrator*
> *Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
> *Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com <mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>, 
> peterexecute at gmail.com <mailto:peterexecute at gmail.com>
> ___________________________________________
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Fri Jun 30 16:51:30 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 13:51:30 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] TIME SELECTED/AGENDA ITEMS-NCSG meeting with PSWG
Message-ID: <CCF5DD2F-F158-45C2-8F51-74642CCC042C@icann.org>

Hello all,

We have identified a time for the NCSG/PSWG meeting. The meeting will take place on Wednesday, 05 July 2023 at 13:00 UTC. An invitation will be forthcoming. The PSWG has listed these agenda items for discussion and would like to know if the NCSG has any others to add?

Agenda:

  1.  Contract Amendments
  2.  Registration Data Issues
  3.  Current/Future NCSG Participation in Policy Work

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Monday, June 26, 2023 at 07:49
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: Re: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

I want to give an update on this Doodle. It looks like the meeting will not happen this week. I am waiting on more PSWG members to complete the Doodle.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG

Hello all,

Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.

https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa

Thank you.
Andrea Glandon
Policy Operations Coordinator
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Skype ID:  acglandon76



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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Jun 30 16:58:07 2023
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:58:07 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] final response to the Board re nomcom rebalancing
Message-ID: <483bb587-9474-276c-9591-53b837826551@mail.utoronto.ca>

As discussed, here is the cleaned up version of the final letter back to 
Tripti, with drafting changes for the Bylaws.

Kind regards,

Steph Perrin
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Fri Jun 30 17:18:02 2023
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:18:02 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] TIME SELECTED/AGENDA ITEMS-NCSG meeting with PSWG
In-Reply-To: <CCF5DD2F-F158-45C2-8F51-74642CCC042C@icann.org>
References: <CCF5DD2F-F158-45C2-8F51-74642CCC042C@icann.org>
Message-ID: <6308cac8-dc31-13c2-d706-0e950a2ba0fa@KathyKleiman.com>

To Tomslin and NCSG-PC,

Do we have an "NCSG-PC Lead" on these PSWG matters?? Can someone in NCSG 
brief us ahead of time on a) what we can expect to hear about the 
contract amendments, b) the registration data issues, and c) what PSWG 
wants us to agree to?

PSWG wants us to agree to something and are spending a lot of time 
trying to gather us together.? What is it and do we agree? If not, why not?

We should know before we go in....

Best and tx,

Kathy

On 6/30/2023 9:51 AM, Andrea Glandon wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> We have identified a time for the NCSG/PSWG meeting. The meeting will 
> take place on *Wednesday, 05 July 2023 at 13:00 UTC*. An invitation 
> will be forthcoming. The PSWG has listed these agenda items for 
> discussion and would like to know if the NCSG has any others to add?
>
> Agenda:
>
>  1. Contract Amendments
>  2. Registration Data Issues
>  3. Current/Future NCSG Participation in Policy Work
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, June 26, 2023 at 07:49
> *To: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Cc: *Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer 
> <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
>
> Hello all,
>
> I want to give an update on this Doodle. It looks like the meeting 
> will not happen this week. I am waiting on more PSWG members to 
> complete the Doodle.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Friday, June 9, 2023 at 10:20
> *To: *"ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, 
> "ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Cc: *Julia Charvolen <julia.charvolen at icann.org>, Gulten Tepe 
> Oksuzoglu <gulten.tepe at icann.org>, Fabien Betremieux 
> <fabien.betremieux at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer 
> <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Daniel Gluck <daniel.gluck at icann.org>, 
> Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Subject: *DOODLE-NCSG meeting with PSWG
>
> Hello all,
>
> Please complete the Doodle to schedule a time to meet with the PSWG. 
> The dates for this Doodle begin on Monday, 26 June 2023.
>
> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/aA1DPZpa
>
> Thank you.
>
> *Andrea Glandon*
>
> Policy Operations Coordinator
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*acglandon76
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 23:00:23 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 06:00:23 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] final response to the Board re nomcom rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <483bb587-9474-276c-9591-53b837826551@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <483bb587-9474-276c-9591-53b837826551@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXyNx9p9QeA+SvQf66BA8qw3Opz+=Q+z4n0rnvjtvzYWg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Stephanie. The PC approves this.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 at 23:58, Stephanie E Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> As discussed, here is the cleaned up version of the final letter back to
> Tripti, with drafting changes for the Bylaws.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Steph Perrin
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