[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
Johan Helsingius
julf at Julf.com
Thu Apr 6 09:49:20 EEST 2023
Tomslin,
David never responded to my email (and the deadline is tomorrow). Maybe
you should try to contact David and see if he is still able to continue
as our representative?
Julf
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Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:16:19 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: David Cake <dave at davecake.net>
CC: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
David,
Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
specifically address the comment from BC)?
Julf
On 31/03/2023 04:45, 陳曼茹 Manju Chen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
> Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their
> statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
> You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider whether to
> respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
>
> As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the Council
> liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the task force
> to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before submitting it
> to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has presented
> during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org
> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March
> 2023 at 14:00 UTC
> To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>, Julie
> Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>,
> gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
> <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
>
>
> Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that the BC
> would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
>
> __ __
>
> All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to give
> everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the
> exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime, we will
> also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to see if
> there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer
> together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the
> CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or
> changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the list. ____
>
> __ __
>
> The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit your
> group’s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
>
> __ __
>
> Best regards,____
>
> __ __
>
> Julie & Marika____
>
> __ __
>
> *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Imran Hossen
> <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>
> *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
> *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>" <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01
> March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
>
> __ __
>
> Hi,____
>
> In terms of my representation of the BC’s position, I consulted with the
> BC Chair and I believe we’re in agreement that the BC is strongly
> opposed to this proposal. Reasoning:____
>
> ____
>
> * Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
> transparency issue. That calls for some skepticism.____
> * The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN participants
> simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their client
> relationships. There are myriad reasons – not the least of which
> would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented could
> invite even more gaming into the ICANN system. For example, an
> attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
> disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
> competing application. That’s just one example.____
> * Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise that,
> should a participant be in this position, he/she could just disclose
> the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the working
> group chair. That, frankly, is preposterous – ICANN is a sieve of
> information leakage in the first place, and – further – such
> disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
> position on that person’s participation. ICANN is not in the
> business of appointing people who can arbitrate others’
> participation.____
> * Interesting that the NCSG – which is a vociferous proponent of
> privacy – is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
> can’t have it both ways – protect identities when they want and
> don’t when they find it convenient.____
>
> ____
>
> __ __
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47 PM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>> wrote:____
>
> Dear All,____
>
> ____
>
> Please see below the action items and brief notes from today’s SOI
> Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC. These
> also are posted to the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
> <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>.____
>
> ____
>
> Kind regards,____
>
> Marika and Julie____
>
> ____
>
> *GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
>
> **____
>
> *ACTION ITEMS: *____
>
> 1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
> exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
> report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
> from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
> 2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
> schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
> ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
> 1400 UTC.*____
> 3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
>
> **____
>
> *Notes: *____
>
> ____
>
> 1. Welcome____
>
> ____
>
> 2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
> represented individual or entity information is shared only with WG
> leadership if exemption is invoked. See:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit [docs.google.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit__;!!PtGJab4!6DbG5NBCJY713AFh2289AXAqDrObS3KKfp1qtaYPoJRRvwFpeG9o-t4FgQK9SAnMgW9Fx2DTCZ1XBwFDZ4kheRqu3A$> ____
>
> ____
>
> If no support for 2: ____
>
> ____
>
> 3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
> BC)____
>
> ____
>
> * RySG will have feedback soon – it is an interesting compromise.
> Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
> * RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations go from
> here. Still could be several concerns.____
> * If this TF can’t come to consensus on language, it will go back
> to the CCOICI and then to the Council. The Council would vote
> on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
> vote. Also is sent to the Board.____
> * IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can’t
> disclose then you can’t disclose to the leadership. ____
> * If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it.
> Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting. It would be
> helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
> consider. Seems that this is the only point of disagreement in
> the revisions to the SOI.____
> * NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
> * RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted with the
> SOI.____
>
> ____
>
> 4. Possible SOI Pilot____
>
> ____
>
> * Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if groups
> won’t change their views.____
>
> ____
>
> 5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
>
> ____
>
> * Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
> would be helpful.____
>
> ____
>
> 6. Confirm next steps____
>
> ____
>
> * Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member groups to
> be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
> * Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the exemption
> language.____
> * Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final report. ____
> * No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
> makes changes. Not sure what it would achieve at this point as
> this already an issue that was called out in public comment.____
> * RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again before
> going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
> * Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
> specific question(s) that would yield responses that could move
> this forward. Also there is the opportunity to socialize among
> your groups at ICANN76 – could set up an informal SOI TF meeting
> in a sign-up room if available (no remote access). Is there
> interest in this? Possibly but it would need to be later in the
> week. Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
>
> ____
>
> *ACTION ITEMS: *____
>
> 1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
> exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
> report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
> from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
> 2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
> schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
> ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
> 1400 UTC.*____
> 3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
>
> **____
>
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