From julf at Julf.com  Thu Apr  6 08:47:03 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 07:47:03 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] SOI Task Force response
Message-ID: <748b12cd-2dda-d74c-d337-ce0357e2b4cc@Julf.com>

We have put together a draft response on the GNSO
Statement of Interest Task Force (SOI-TF). We need
to submit our response by tomorrow (Friday 7 April).
Please feel free to comment or add.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rmJPMhoTWEh37Ewh-ticj7WMgwcQQ7VMZkzIHLlbCVs/edit

Please note that the BC has specifically mentioned us in
their response, so we feel the need to address that.

	Julf




From julf at Julf.com  Thu Apr  6 09:49:20 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 08:49:20 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
 Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <349071a7-8f18-2d80-19c3-c347bd242a06@Julf.com>
References: <349071a7-8f18-2d80-19c3-c347bd242a06@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <f2a221f1-3d21-64e1-fb35-036bec9b78e3@Julf.com>

Tomslin,

David never responded to my email (and the deadline is tomorrow). Maybe
you should try to contact David and see if he is still able to continue
as our representative?

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF 
Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:16:19 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: David Cake <dave at davecake.net>
CC: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is

David,

Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
specifically address the comment from BC)?

	Julf

On 31/03/2023 04:45, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
> Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their 
> statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
> You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider whether to 
> respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
> 
> As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the Council 
> liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the task force 
> to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before submitting it 
> to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has presented 
> during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
> 
> Best,
> Manju
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org 
> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27?PM
> Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March 
> 2023 at 14:00 UTC
> To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>, Julie 
> Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, 
> gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org> 
> <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> 
> 
> Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that the BC 
> would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to give 
> everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the 
> exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime, we will 
> also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to see if 
> there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer 
> together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the 
> CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or 
> changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the list. ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit your 
> group?s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Best regards,____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Julie & Marika____
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Imran Hossen 
> <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>
> *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
> *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org 
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>" <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org 
> <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 
> March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
> 
> __ __
> 
> Hi,____
> 
> In terms of my representation of the BC?s position, I consulted with the 
> BC Chair and I believe we?re in agreement that the BC is strongly 
> opposed to this proposal.? Reasoning:____
> 
> ____
> 
>   * Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
>     transparency issue.? That calls for some skepticism.____
>   * The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN participants
>     simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their client
>     relationships.? There are myriad reasons ? not the least of which
>     would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented could
>     invite even more gaming into the ICANN system.? For example, an
>     attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
>     disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
>     competing application.? That?s just one example.____
>   * Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise that,
>     should a participant be in this position, he/she could just disclose
>     the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the working
>     group chair.? That, frankly, is preposterous ? ICANN is a sieve of
>     information leakage in the first place, and ? further ? such
>     disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
>     position on that person?s participation.? ICANN is not in the
>     business of appointing people who can arbitrate others?
>     participation.____
>   * Interesting that the NCSG ? which is a vociferous proponent of
>     privacy ? is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
>     can?t have it both ways ? protect identities when they want and
>     don?t when they find it convenient.____
> 
> ____
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47?PM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org 
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>> wrote:____
> 
>     Dear All,____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     Please see below the action items and brief notes from today?s SOI
>     Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC.? These
>     also are posted to the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     Kind regards,____
> 
>     Marika and Julie____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     *GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
> 
>     **____
> 
>     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> 
>      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
>      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
>         1400 UTC.*____
>      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
> 
>     **____
> 
>     *Notes: *____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     1. Welcome____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
>     represented individual or entity information is shared only with WG
>     leadership if exemption is invoked.? See:
>     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit [docs.google.com] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit__;!!PtGJab4!6DbG5NBCJY713AFh2289AXAqDrObS3KKfp1qtaYPoJRRvwFpeG9o-t4FgQK9SAnMgW9Fx2DTCZ1XBwFDZ4kheRqu3A$> ____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     If no support for 2: ____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
>     BC)____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * RySG will have feedback soon ? it is an interesting compromise.
>         Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
>       * RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations go from
>         here.? Still could be several concerns.____
>       * If this TF can?t come to consensus on language, it will go back
>         to the CCOICI and then to the Council.? The Council would vote
>         on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
>         vote.? Also is sent to the Board.____
>       * IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can?t
>         disclose then you can?t disclose to the leadership. ____
>       * If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it. 
>         Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting.? It would be
>         helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
>         consider.? Seems that this is the only point of disagreement in
>         the revisions to the SOI.____
>       * NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
>       * RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted with the
>         SOI.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     4. Possible SOI Pilot____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if groups
>         won?t change their views.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
>         would be helpful.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     6. Confirm next steps____
> 
>     ____
> 
>       * Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member groups to
>         be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
>       * Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the exemption
>         language.____
>       * Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final report. ____
>       * No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
>         makes changes.? Not sure what it would achieve at this point as
>         this already an issue that was called out in public comment.____
>       * RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again before
>         going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
>       * Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
>         specific question(s) that would yield responses that could move
>         this forward.? Also there is the opportunity to socialize among
>         your groups at ICANN76 ? could set up an informal SOI TF meeting
>         in a sign-up room if available (no remote access).? Is there
>         interest in this?? Possibly but it would need to be later in the
>         week.? Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
> 
>     ____
> 
>     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> 
>      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
>      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
>         1400 UTC.*____
>      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN Legal.*____
> 
>     **____
> 
>     _______________________________________________
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From julf at Julf.com  Thu Apr  6 20:46:55 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 19:46:55 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Appointment of representative and alternate to the
 SubPro IRT
In-Reply-To: <AD867AE2-7AD7-4B2B-8491-B7E1AE1E9425@icann.org>
References: <AD867AE2-7AD7-4B2B-8491-B7E1AE1E9425@icann.org>
Message-ID: <5005fcf6-977d-ee5a-bff8-8f3c988318fd@Julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Appointment of representative and alternate to the SubPro IRT
Date: 	Thu, 6 Apr 2023 17:42:37 +0000
From: 	Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann at icann.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
CC: 	Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund 
<julie.hedlund at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, 
Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer 
<brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Karen Lentz <karen.lentz at icann.org>, Bob 
Ochieng <bob.ochieng at icann.org>, Elisa Busetto 
<elisa.busetto at icann.org>, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>, 
benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>



Dear Julf,

Following the publication of our recent blog 
<https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/next-round-of-new-gtlds-forming-the-implementation-review-team-04-04-2023-en>?Next 
Round of New gTLDs: Forming the Implementation Review Team?, the 
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) organization 
(org) is pleased to invite you to nominate a representative and an 
alternate to the Subsequent Procedures (SubPro) Implementation Review 
Team (IRT).

The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven exercise; in alignment 
with the Board resolution 
<https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-16-03-2023-en>and 
subsequent Generic Name Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council 
consultation 
<https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/5X-rZUIDBhfyn17mnEkRrK0ihJfhONSJ18TaGu9rxwZFeSw3_d5n8IFzpJeH3oMd.Hh3V44Eak3VVsytm?startTime=1678651300000>, 
ICANN org will pilot a ?Open + Representative Model? based on theGNSO?s 
PDP 3.0 
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf>model. 
The goal is to provide a structure that allows for efficient resolution 
of issues that may occur.

We kindly ask that the NCSGnominate up to threerepresentative and up to 
threealternate to participate in IRT. Please note, we are asking all of 
ICANN?s supporting organizations and advisory committees to nominate up 
to one representative and one alternate; the GNSO?s contracted party 
stakeholder groups are being asked to nominate one representative and 
one alternate each, too, and its non-contracted party stakeholder groups 
three representatives and three alternatives each.

Putting forward a representative and alternate is optional; all members 
of the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC are welcome to join the SubPro IRT as 
participants. In fact, we strongly urge anyone who is interested in 
being selected as a representative to join the IRT as a participant, so 
that the selection process does not hold up the timely launch of the 
IRT. As you will see below the role of participants and representatives 
are nearly identical, with the representatives? main function being that 
of an information-bridge to their community groups. Please note, we have 
published a separate call for volunteers 
<https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-calls-for-volunteers-for-the-new-gtld-program-next-round-implementation-review-team-05-04-2023-en>already.

ICANN org plans to host the first SubPro IRT call no later than the week 
of 14 May 2023. We therefore request that you conclude the nomination 
process and inform us of the nominees no later than Monday, 7 May 2023.

*The Role of the IRT:*

Per the Consensus Policy Implementation Framework 
<https://www.icann.org/uploads/ckeditor/CPIF_v2.0_2019CLEAN.pdf>(CPIF) 
and the IRT Principles & Guidelines 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>, 
the IRT members will:

   * Serve as a resource to ICANN org on policy and technical questions
     that arise with regard to the Board-approved recommendations of the
     Final Report on the new gTLD Subsequent Procedures Policy
     Development Process
 
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-02feb21-en.pdf>(Final
     Report).
   * Serve as a resource to ICANN org regarding the background and
     rationale of the Final Report?s policy recommendations, and seek
     additional guidance from the GNSO Council, as required.
   * Assist ICANN org with developing the details of policy
     implementation to ensure that the implementation conforms to the
     intent of the policy recommendations as detailed in the Final Report.

There will be no distinction between participants and representatives 
regarding the ability to perform these tasks.

*Open + Representative Model Pilot:*

As detailed above, participants and representatives will be equal 
members of the IRT, sharing the same ability to take the floor and post 
to the mailing list, working constructively with ICANN org to assist in 
the implementation of the recommendations. Both will be expected to 
understand the role and remit of the IRT for the implementation project 
as described in the SubPro IRT Statement of Participation 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/subpro-irt-statement-participation-05apr23-en.pdf>, 
which all IRT members are expected to commit to.

To be clear, the model will not change the ability of any IRT member to 
raise concerns about the implementation approach taken by ICANN org, as 
detailed in the IRT Principles & Guidelines 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>.

*Why Have Representatives at All?*

While participants always speak in their own personal capacity, 
representatives are expected to speak on behalf of their constituency, 
stakeholder group, supporting organization, or advisory committee. 
Therefore, a key part of the NCSG, NCUC and NPOCrepresentative?s? role 
will be to engage actively and consistently with their NCSG, NCUC and 
NPOCcolleagues to ensure they can convey the NCSG, NCUC and 
NPOCviewpoints to the IRT. Please note, that this will require an 
efficient process for representatives to inform and receive input from 
their respective groups. To put this into place will be the 
responsibility of each representative.

In addition, when determining the level of consensus in the circumstance 
described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles & Guidelines, the GNSO 
Liaison, in the Open + Representative model, shall take into 
consideration that members who are representatives are expected to 
express the viewpoint of their respective community groups and 
participants to express their own views. This does not impact each 
member?s ability to raise any concern they may have, nor does it absolve 
ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from ?exercis[ing] all reasonable 
efforts to resolve disagreements? within the IRT.

*What is ICANN org?s Role?*

ICANN org?s role is to implement ?the community?s recommendations at the 
direction of the Board and under the supervision of the CEO?. When 
implementing recommendations, ICANN org is ?responsible for the entire 
implementation lifecycle, from creating an implementation plan, engaging 
the Implementation Review Team (IRT) (if there is one), consulting with 
relevant ICANN org staff and any outside parties that are required, and 
conducting outreach surrounding the implementation, including 
communicating with the public and relevant stakeholders regarding the 
progress of implementation.? See CPIF 
<https://www.icann.org/uploads/ckeditor/CPIF_v2.0_2019CLEAN.pdf>.

*Next Steps*

As noted above, we plan to start the IRT calls no later than the week of 
14 May 2023. ICANN org is currently working on a Charter for the IRT, 
which will be shared after it is finalized. We are also drafting an IRT 
work plan and timeline that we plan to share during the first IRT meeting.

We are looking forward to getting the IRT underway and, please, do not 
hesitate to reach out should have any questions.

Best wishes,

Lars

---

Lars Hoffmann

ICANN, Senior Director, Policy Research and Stakeholder Programs



From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 04:52:51 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 11:52:51 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
 Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
In-Reply-To: <f2a221f1-3d21-64e1-fb35-036bec9b78e3@Julf.com>
References: <349071a7-8f18-2d80-19c3-c347bd242a06@Julf.com>
 <f2a221f1-3d21-64e1-fb35-036bec9b78e3@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXKYs=miEVm=CB5apyYaTUD_9qxX91HNY68LFE46v+wJA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julf,

First of all, my apologies for delayed responses. I am still on the road.

Regarding David, he hasn't been responsive for a while now. I think we
might need to at least look for a temporary replacement.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 6 Apr 2023, 16:49 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Tomslin,
>
> David never responded to my email (and the deadline is tomorrow). Maybe
> you should try to contact David and see if he is still able to continue
> as our representative?
>
>         Julf
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
> Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:16:19 +0200
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
> To: David Cake <dave at davecake.net>
> CC: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> David,
>
> Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
> specifically address the comment from BC)?
>
>         Julf
>
> On 31/03/2023 04:45, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
> > Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their
> > statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
> > You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider whether to
> > respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
> >
> > As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the Council
> > liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the task force
> > to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before submitting it
> > to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has presented
> > during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
> >
> > Best,
> > Manju
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org
> > <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> > Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27?PM
> > Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01 March
> > 2023 at 14:00 UTC
> > To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>,
> Julie
> > Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>,
> > gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
> > <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that the BC
> > would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to give
> > everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the
> > exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime, we will
> > also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to see if
> > there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer
> > together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the
> > CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or
> > changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the list.
> ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit your
> > group?s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Best regards,____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Julie & Marika____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Imran Hossen
> > <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>
> > *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
> > *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
> > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
> > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>" <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
> > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
> > *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01
> > March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Hi,____
> >
> > In terms of my representation of the BC?s position, I consulted with the
> > BC Chair and I believe we?re in agreement that the BC is strongly
> > opposed to this proposal.  Reasoning:____
> >
> > ____
> >
> >   * Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
> >     transparency issue.  That calls for some skepticism.____
> >   * The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN participants
> >     simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their client
> >     relationships.  There are myriad reasons ? not the least of which
> >     would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented could
> >     invite even more gaming into the ICANN system.  For example, an
> >     attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
> >     disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
> >     competing application.  That?s just one example.____
> >   * Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise that,
> >     should a participant be in this position, he/she could just disclose
> >     the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the working
> >     group chair.  That, frankly, is preposterous ? ICANN is a sieve of
> >     information leakage in the first place, and ? further ? such
> >     disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
> >     position on that person?s participation.  ICANN is not in the
> >     business of appointing people who can arbitrate others?
> >     participation.____
> >   * Interesting that the NCSG ? which is a vociferous proponent of
> >     privacy ? is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
> >     can?t have it both ways ? protect identities when they want and
> >     don?t when they find it convenient.____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47?PM Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
> > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>> wrote:____
> >
> >     Dear All,____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     Please see below the action items and brief notes from today?s SOI
> >     Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC.  These
> >     also are posted to the wiki at: https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
> >     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>.____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     Kind regards,____
> >
> >     Marika and Julie____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     *GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
> >
> >     **____
> >
> >     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> >
> >      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
> >         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
> >         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
> >         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
> >      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
> >         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
> >         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
> >         1400 UTC.*____
> >      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
> Legal.*____
> >
> >     **____
> >
> >     *Notes: *____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     1. Welcome____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
> >     represented individual or entity information is shared only with WG
> >     leadership if exemption is invoked.  See:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aFuwubJUiIbXjui9mT6M9n1iSd-N_puL/edit
> [docs.google.com] <
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> ____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     If no support for 2: ____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
> >     BC)____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >       * RySG will have feedback soon ? it is an interesting compromise.
> >         Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
> >       * RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations go from
> >         here.  Still could be several concerns.____
> >       * If this TF can?t come to consensus on language, it will go back
> >         to the CCOICI and then to the Council.  The Council would vote
> >         on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
> >         vote.  Also is sent to the Board.____
> >       * IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can?t
> >         disclose then you can?t disclose to the leadership. ____
> >       * If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it.
> >         Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting.  It would be
> >         helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
> >         consider.  Seems that this is the only point of disagreement in
> >         the revisions to the SOI.____
> >       * NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
> >       * RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted with the
> >         SOI.____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     4. Possible SOI Pilot____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >       * Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if groups
> >         won?t change their views.____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >       * Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
> >         would be helpful.____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     6. Confirm next steps____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >       * Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member groups to
> >         be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
> >       * Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the exemption
> >         language.____
> >       * Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final report.
> ____
> >       * No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
> >         makes changes.  Not sure what it would achieve at this point as
> >         this already an issue that was called out in public comment.____
> >       * RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again before
> >         going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
> >       * Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
> >         specific question(s) that would yield responses that could move
> >         this forward.  Also there is the opportunity to socialize among
> >         your groups at ICANN76 ? could set up an informal SOI TF meeting
> >         in a sign-up room if available (no remote access).  Is there
> >         interest in this?  Possibly but it would need to be later in the
> >         week.  Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
> >
> >     ____
> >
> >     *ACTION ITEMS: *____
> >
> >      1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
> >         exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
> >         report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
> >         from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those groups.*____
> >      2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
> >         schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
> >         ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29 March at
> >         1400 UTC.*____
> >      3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
> Legal.*____
> >
> >     **____
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
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> > -- ____
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> >
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 05:35:42 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 12:35:42 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization
 Group
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Hi all,

I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is
okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.

Let me know what you think.

Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


Dear Tomslin,
I am interested to join and participate.
Let me know if more information is required from my side.
Regards,
Amine

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>
> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with
> knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>
> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March 2023*,
> indicating how you meet these requirements.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>
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From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr  8 09:26:02 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 08:26:02 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
 Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
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References: <349071a7-8f18-2d80-19c3-c347bd242a06@Julf.com>
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The SOI task force is pretty much done, so seems there is no need to
replace him.

	Julf


On 08/04/2023 03:52, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> 
> First of all, my apologies for delayed responses. I am still on the road.
> 
> Regarding David, he hasn't been responsive for?a while now. I think we 
> might need to at least look for a temporary replacement.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> 
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2023, 16:49 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Tomslin,
> 
>     David never responded to my email (and the deadline is tomorrow). Maybe
>     you should try to contact David and see if he is still able to continue
>     as our representative?
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF
>     Meeting 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC
>     Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:16:19 +0200
>     From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
>     To: David Cake <dave at davecake.net <mailto:dave at davecake.net>>
>     CC: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> 
>     David,
> 
>     Will you be able to circulate a draft statement (that needs to also
>     specifically address the comment from BC)?
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
>     On 31/03/2023 04:45, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>      > Hi all,
>      >
>      > We've discussed extensively the topic of SOI in Cancun.
>      > Please find below the request from staff for each SG to submit their
>      > statements on this topic by *_Friday 7 April ._*
>      > You can also find BC's statement below. NCSG could consider
>     whether to
>      > respond since they made an effort mentioning us in their statement.
>      >
>      > As I mentioned before, I'm NOT the NCSG representative but the
>     Council
>      > liaison to the task force. I'd urge our representative on the
>     task force
>      > to draft a statement and circulate it on the list before
>     submitting it
>      > to the task force. I recommend using the statement NCSG has
>     presented
>      > during the Council Town Hall session in Cancun.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      > Manju
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>      > From: *Marika Konings* <marika.konings at icann.org
>     <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>>
>      > Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 10:27?PM
>      > Subject: Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting
>     01 March
>      > 2023 at 14:00 UTC
>      > To: Imran Hossen <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>
>     <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>>, Julie
>      > Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>>,
>      > gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>
>      > <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>>
>      >
>      >
>      > Thanks, Imran. Can you confirm that this is the statement that
>     the BC
>      > would like to include in the report on this topic? ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > All, we have a call scheduled for next week, but we are going to
>     give
>      > everyone a bit more time to consult and prepare statements on the
>      > exemption language for inclusion in the report. In the meantime,
>     we will
>      > also consult with Manju as the CCOICI liaison to this effort to
>     see if
>      > there are further efforts we can undertake to bring the group closer
>      > together on this issue, or whether it is time to escalate it to the
>      > CCOICI for resolution. Of course, if there are any new proposals or
>      > changes in views on this topic, feel free to share these with the
>     list. ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > The meeting will be moved to Wednesday 12 April so please submit
>     your
>      > group?s statements *_by Friday 7 April at the latest_*. ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Best regards,____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Julie & Marika____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > *From: *GNSO-SOI-TF <gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf-bounces at icann.org>>> on behalf of Imran Hossen
>      > <imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>
>     <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com <mailto:imran at eysoftbd.com>>>
>      > *Date: *Thursday, 23 March 2023 at 14:29
>      > *To: *Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>>, "gnso-soi-tf at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>"
>     <gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org <mailto:gnso-soi-tf at icann.org>>>
>      > *Subject: *Re: [GNSO-SOI-TF] Action Items & Notes: SOI TF Meeting 01
>      > March 2023 at 14:00 UTC____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > Hi,____
>      >
>      > In terms of my representation of the BC?s position, I consulted
>     with the
>      > BC Chair and I believe we?re in agreement that the BC is strongly
>      > opposed to this proposal.? Reasoning:____
>      >
>      > ____
>      >
>      >? ?* Contracted parties and their allies are positioning this as a
>      >? ? ?transparency issue.? That calls for some skepticism.____
>      >? ?* The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN
>     participants
>      >? ? ?simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their
>     client
>      >? ? ?relationships.? There are myriad reasons ? not the least of which
>      >? ? ?would be the fact that disclosure of those being represented
>     could
>      >? ? ?invite even more gaming into the ICANN system.? For example, an
>      >? ? ?attorney representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to
>      >? ? ?disclose his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a
>      >? ? ?competing application.? That?s just one example.____
>      >? ?* Proponents of the rule change have suggested as a compromise
>     that,
>      >? ? ?should a participant be in this position, he/she could just
>     disclose
>      >? ? ?the identity of the client relationship to ICANN Org or the
>     working
>      >? ? ?group chair.? That, frankly, is preposterous ? ICANN is a
>     sieve of
>      >? ? ?information leakage in the first place, and ? further ? such
>      >? ? ?disclosure puts one or two individuals into a decision-making
>      >? ? ?position on that person?s participation.? ICANN is not in the
>      >? ? ?business of appointing people who can arbitrate others?
>      >? ? ?participation.____
>      >? ?* Interesting that the NCSG ? which is a vociferous proponent of
>      >? ? ?privacy ? is beating the drum for revealing representation. They
>      >? ? ?can?t have it both ways ? protect identities when they want and
>      >? ? ?don?t when they find it convenient.____
>      >
>      > ____
>      >
>      > __ __
>      >
>      > On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 8:47?PM Julie Hedlund
>     <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>      > <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>> wrote:____
>      >
>      >? ? ?Dear All,____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?Please see below the action items and brief notes from
>     today?s SOI
>      >? ? ?Task Force meeting on Wednesday, 01 March 2023 at 14:00 UTC. 
>     These
>      >? ? ?also are posted to the wiki at:
>     https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>
>      >? ? ?<https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg
>     <https://community.icann.org/x/yYXOCg>>.____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?Kind regards,____
>      >
>      >? ? ?Marika and Julie____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?*GNSO SOI TF Meeting on Wednesday 01 March at 14:00 UTC*____
>      >
>      >? ? ?**____
>      >
>      >? ? ?*ACTION ITEMS: *____
>      >
>      >? ? ? 1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>      >? ? ? ? ?exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>      >? ? ? ? ?report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>      >? ? ? ? ?from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those
>     groups.*____
>      >? ? ? 2. *GNSO Secretariat staff to 1) circulate a Doodle poll to
>      >? ? ? ? ?schedule an informal meeting for Wednesday or Thursday at
>      >? ? ? ? ?ICANN76; 2) schedule a SOI TF meeting for Wednesday, 29
>     March at
>      >? ? ? ? ?1400 UTC.*____
>      >? ? ? 3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
>     Legal.*____
>      >
>      >? ? ?**____
>      >
>      >? ? ?*Notes: *____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?1. Welcome____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?2. Consider possible modification of exemption language whereby
>      >? ? ?represented individual or entity information is shared only
>     with WG
>      >? ? ?leadership if exemption is invoked.? See:
>      >
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>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?If no support for 2: ____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?3. Positions on exemption language (awaiting input from ISPCP and
>      >? ? ?BC)____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ? ?* RySG will have feedback soon ? it is an interesting
>     compromise.
>      >? ? ? ? ?Also awaiting feedback from the registrars.____
>      >? ? ? ?* RrSG: A lot of questions of where these recommendations
>     go from
>      >? ? ? ? ?here.? Still could be several concerns.____
>      >? ? ? ?* If this TF can?t come to consensus on language, it will
>     go back
>      >? ? ? ? ?to the CCOICI and then to the Council.? The Council would
>     vote
>      >? ? ? ? ?on changes to the Operating Procedures as a simply majority
>      >? ? ? ? ?vote.? Also is sent to the Board.____
>      >? ? ? ?* IPC: Appreciate the attempt at a compromise, but if you can?t
>      >? ? ? ? ?disclose then you can?t disclose to the leadership. ____
>      >? ? ? ?* If additional time is needed to consider, we should take it.
>      >? ? ? ? ?Can also discuss at the ICANN76 Council meeting.? It would be
>      >? ? ? ? ?helpful for each group to state their views for the CCOICI to
>      >? ? ? ? ?consider.? Seems that this is the only point of
>     disagreement in
>      >? ? ? ? ?the revisions to the SOI.____
>      >? ? ? ?* NCSG: Strong opposition to the existing text.____
>      >? ? ? ?* RySG: We will still develop some examples to be posted
>     with the
>      >? ? ? ? ?SOI.____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?4. Possible SOI Pilot____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ? ?* Not clear that this will be worth the effort and time if
>     groups
>      >? ? ? ? ?won?t change their views.____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?5. Possible question to ICANN legal____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ? ?* Important to frame the question and get agreement that this
>      >? ? ? ? ?would be helpful.____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?6. Confirm next steps____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ? ?* Helpful to get statements of positions from TF member
>     groups to
>      >? ? ? ? ?be included in the report to the CCOICI to consider.____
>      >? ? ? ?* Deadline by 24 March to submit their statements on the
>     exemption
>      >? ? ? ? ?language.____
>      >? ? ? ?* Reconvene on 29 March at 1400 UTC to review the final
>     report. ____
>      >? ? ? ?* No further public comment period is planned unless the CCOICI
>      >? ? ? ? ?makes changes.? Not sure what it would achieve at this
>     point as
>      >? ? ? ? ?this already an issue that was called out in public
>     comment.____
>      >? ? ? ?* RrSG: Consider putting this out for public comment again
>     before
>      >? ? ? ? ?going to Council as people were not paying attention.____
>      >? ? ? ?* Staff: If we do a focused public comment we need to agree on
>      >? ? ? ? ?specific question(s) that would yield responses that
>     could move
>      >? ? ? ? ?this forward.? Also there is the opportunity to socialize
>     among
>      >? ? ? ? ?your groups at ICANN76 ? could set up an informal SOI TF
>     meeting
>      >? ? ? ? ?in a sign-up room if available (no remote access).? Is there
>      >? ? ? ? ?interest in this?? Possibly but it would need to be later
>     in the
>      >? ? ? ? ?week.? Secretariat to do a Doodle poll.____
>      >
>      >? ? ?____
>      >
>      >? ? ?*ACTION ITEMS: *____
>      >
>      >? ? ? 1. *SOI TF members to provide their position statements on the
>      >? ? ? ? ?exemption language by 24 March that can be included in the
>      >? ? ? ? ?report to the CCOICI. Staff to specifically request feedback
>      >? ? ? ? ?from IPSPC and BC as we have yet to hear from those
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>     March at
>      >? ? ? ? ?1400 UTC.*____
>      >? ? ? 3. *SOI TF members to suggest possible questions for ICANN
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From compsoftnet at gmail.com  Sat Apr  8 18:03:43 2023
From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo)
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 16:03:43 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeXWW+9cp2AbXPWQhwkrMfDJHfuxnriUAxPmggGpkKKUmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW+6gRgenvg9es4aVuBy3iHq8KvCaJ0q-6oZA13RboThQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALUKJaU_FUn3B+ExRAdDa3guu082NMi-SdFNZQent04y_2OGWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeXWW+9cp2AbXPWQhwkrMfDJHfuxnriUAxPmggGpkKKUmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK4d0-eGXoBAWWcpU2gW8vYUTz0FztdNgBdn6caZ83fpHyVCg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Tomslin,

Maybe you can do well to recirculate.

If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.

Regards.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is
> okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> Dear Tomslin,
> I am interested to join and participate.
> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
> Regards,
> Amine
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
>> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
>> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
>> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
>> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>>
>> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with
>> knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
>> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>>
>> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March 2023*,
>> indicating how you meet these requirements.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun Apr  9 09:16:46 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2023 16:16:46 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
In-Reply-To: <CAGK4d0-eGXoBAWWcpU2gW8vYUTz0FztdNgBdn6caZ83fpHyVCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW+6gRgenvg9es4aVuBy3iHq8KvCaJ0q-6oZA13RboThQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALUKJaU_FUn3B+ExRAdDa3guu082NMi-SdFNZQent04y_2OGWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeXWW+9cp2AbXPWQhwkrMfDJHfuxnriUAxPmggGpkKKUmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUh_A=yqMBKQgY-+idR3KRACqLqXrtwVdViJaSWbEpSng@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Peter.

We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had
volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you
to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Tomslin,
>
> Maybe you can do well to recirculate.
>
> If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it
>> is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
>> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
>> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>> Dear Tomslin,
>> I am interested to join and participate.
>> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
>> Regards,
>> Amine
>>
>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
>>> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
>>> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
>>> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
>>> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>>>
>>> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with
>>> knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
>>> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>>>
>>> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March
>>> 2023*, indicating how you meet these requirements.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>
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From kathy at dnrc.tech  Fri Apr  7 20:16:13 2023
From: kathy at dnrc.tech (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 13:16:13 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] SOI Task Force response
In-Reply-To: <1d9f5dd8-dec5-328c-19bc-22072a433f63@Julf.com>
References: <748b12cd-2dda-d74c-d337-ce0357e2b4cc@Julf.com>
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 <CAGK4d0_5JiFV9W1NcW19Y=P51hGmx-c46fURSyzbF4s54Dd6rA@mail.gmail.com>
 <62a7502a-df68-b663-f86b-1f440445c693@Julf.com>
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 <1d9f5dd8-dec5-328c-19bc-22072a433f63@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <c33521d0-0648-e758-ab8f-e424227f008f@dnrc.tech>

Hi All,

I've added some text in suggesting mode. I've now checked with senior 
attorneys in various states and the BC contention is simply wrong: 
attorneys can (and must) generally disclose WHO their client is, but not 
WHAT they've discussed.? In policy making proceedings, attorneys almost 
always disclosure their clients, except in very, very rare circumstances.

So I have added (with... showing a jump to a later part of the text), 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rmJPMhoTWEh37Ewh-ticj7WMgwcQQ7VMZkzIHLlbCVs/edit: 


Sorry for late input!

Best, Kathy

--------------------------- NCSG SOI Comments --------------------------

... Public processes benefit from knowing who is representing who and 
then balancing the interests of the many different participants in a 
proceeding.

...

Finally, NCSG must respectfully contest the underlying proposition by 
the BC that attorneys cannot disclose their clients in policymaking 
proceedings.? In very few circumstances is the ?fact of the 
representation? of a lawyer considered confidential. We provide a few 
examples:

[1] See Cal. Formal Op. 2011-182 (2011). "In most situations, the 
identity of a client is not considered confidential and in such 
circumstances Attorney may disclose the fact of the representation to 
Prospective Client without Witness Client's consent." Citing to Los 
Angeles County Bar Association Professional Responsibility and Ethics 
Committee Op. 456 
(1989).https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2018/03/aba-clarifies-lawyers-confidentiality-obligations 
<https://www.hklaw.com/en/insights/publications/2018/03/aba-clarifies-lawyers-confidentiality-obligations>

[2] Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, The Rules of Professional Conduct.

3.9 Advocate in Nonadjudicative Proceedings

A lawyer representing a client before a legislative body or 
administrative agency in a nonadjudicative proceeding shall disclose 
that the appearance is in a representative capacity and shall conform to 
the provisions of Rules 3.3(a) through (c), 3.4(a) through (c), and 3.5.

https://www.padisciplinaryboard.org/Storage/media/pdfs/20210920/140616-rpc2021-08-25amended.pdf 
<https://www.padisciplinaryboard.org/Storage/media/pdfs/20210920/140616-rpc2021-08-25amended.pdf>

We look forward to a rapid completion of this important discussion and 
to full and fair disclosure in the future!

-------------


On 4/7/2023 1:05 PM, Johan Helsingius wrote:
> On 07/04/2023 17:32, Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote:
>
>> Is there any justification as to why lawyers/lobbyists/consultants 
>> should not disclose their identity?
>
> "The BC is not in favor of eliminating a swath of ICANN participants
> ?simply because they are ethically bound to not disclose their client
> ?relationships.? There are myriad reasons ? not the least of which would
> ?be the fact that disclosure of those being represented could invite
> ?even more gaming into the ICANN system.? For example, an attorney
> ?representing a new gTLD applicant could be compelled to disclose
> ?his/her relationship with that applicant, inviting a competing
> ?application.? That?s just one example."
>
> We are definitely countering this. I will post final version later
> today (deadline is today).
>
> ????Julf

-- 
Kathy Kleiman
President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
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From lizorembo at gmail.com  Tue Apr 11 21:30:10 2023
From: lizorembo at gmail.com (Liz Orembo)
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 21:30:10 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
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Hi Tomslin,

I hope I am not late in this process. Did Amine send his EOI? Where can we
check to comment?



On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 9:48?AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Peter.
>
> We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had
> volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you
> to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Tomslin,
>>
>> Maybe you can do well to recirculate.
>>
>> If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it
>>> is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
>>> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
>>> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Tomslin,
>>> I am interested to join and participate.
>>> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
>>> Regards,
>>> Amine
>>>
>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
>>>> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
>>>> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
>>>> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
>>>> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>>>>
>>>> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member)
>>>> with knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
>>>> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>>>>
>>>> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March
>>>> 2023*, indicating how you meet these requirements.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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>


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Best regards.
Liz.

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 00:34:03 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:34:03 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Call for Volunteers]: Appointment of representative and
 alternate to the SubPro IRT
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Dear members,

The PC is seeking expression of interests (EOI) for the appointment of a
representative and an alternate to the SubPro Implementation Review Team
(IRT). The role of the representative will be as an information-bridge to
their community groups to hasten consensus calls when needed in the team.

Read below for details of the role of the representative and on what the
IRT will be doing.

Please send your EOI to me (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) copying Julf (
julf at julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org) no later than April
21st 2023.

Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023, 03:46
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Appointment of representative and alternate to the
SubPro IRT
To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>





-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        Appointment of representative and alternate to the SubPro
IRT
Date:   Thu, 6 Apr 2023 17:42:37 +0000
From:   Lars Hoffmann <lars.hoffmann at icann.org>
To:     julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
CC:     Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund
<julie.hedlund at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer
<brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Karen Lentz <karen.lentz at icann.org>, Bob
Ochieng <bob.ochieng at icann.org>, Elisa Busetto
<elisa.busetto at icann.org>, Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>,
benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>



Dear Julf,

Following the publication of our recent blog
<
https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/next-round-of-new-gtlds-forming-the-implementation-review-team-04-04-2023-en>?Next

Round of New gTLDs: Forming the Implementation Review Team?, the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) organization
(org) is pleased to invite you to nominate a representative and an
alternate to the Subsequent Procedures (SubPro) Implementation Review
Team (IRT).

The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven exercise; in alignment
with the Board resolution
<
https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-16-03-2023-en>and

subsequent Generic Name Supporting Organization (GNSO) Council
consultation
<
https://icann.zoom.us/rec/share/5X-rZUIDBhfyn17mnEkRrK0ihJfhONSJ18TaGu9rxwZFeSw3_d5n8IFzpJeH3oMd.Hh3V44Eak3VVsytm?startTime=1678651300000>,

ICANN org will pilot a ?Open + Representative Model? based on theGNSO?s
PDP 3.0
<
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf>model.

The goal is to provide a structure that allows for efficient resolution
of issues that may occur.

We kindly ask that the NCSGnominate up to threerepresentative and up to
threealternate to participate in IRT. Please note, we are asking all of
ICANN?s supporting organizations and advisory committees to nominate up
to one representative and one alternate; the GNSO?s contracted party
stakeholder groups are being asked to nominate one representative and
one alternate each, too, and its non-contracted party stakeholder groups
three representatives and three alternatives each.

Putting forward a representative and alternate is optional; all members
of the NCSG, NCUC and NPOC are welcome to join the SubPro IRT as
participants. In fact, we strongly urge anyone who is interested in
being selected as a representative to join the IRT as a participant, so
that the selection process does not hold up the timely launch of the
IRT. As you will see below the role of participants and representatives
are nearly identical, with the representatives? main function being that
of an information-bridge to their community groups. Please note, we have
published a separate call for volunteers
<
https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-calls-for-volunteers-for-the-new-gtld-program-next-round-implementation-review-team-05-04-2023-en
>already.

ICANN org plans to host the first SubPro IRT call no later than the week
of 14 May 2023. We therefore request that you conclude the nomination
process and inform us of the nominees no later than Monday, 7 May 2023.

*The Role of the IRT:*

Per the Consensus Policy Implementation Framework
<https://www.icann.org/uploads/ckeditor/CPIF_v2.0_2019CLEAN.pdf>(CPIF)
and the IRT Principles & Guidelines
<
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>,

the IRT members will:

   * Serve as a resource to ICANN org on policy and technical questions
     that arise with regard to the Board-approved recommendations of the
     Final Report on the new gTLD Subsequent Procedures Policy
     Development Process

<
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/final-report-newgtld-subsequent-procedures-pdp-02feb21-en.pdf
>(Final
     Report).
   * Serve as a resource to ICANN org regarding the background and
     rationale of the Final Report?s policy recommendations, and seek
     additional guidance from the GNSO Council, as required.
   * Assist ICANN org with developing the details of policy
     implementation to ensure that the implementation conforms to the
     intent of the policy recommendations as detailed in the Final Report.

There will be no distinction between participants and representatives
regarding the ability to perform these tasks.

*Open + Representative Model Pilot:*

As detailed above, participants and representatives will be equal
members of the IRT, sharing the same ability to take the floor and post
to the mailing list, working constructively with ICANN org to assist in
the implementation of the recommendations. Both will be expected to
understand the role and remit of the IRT for the implementation project
as described in the SubPro IRT Statement of Participation
<
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/subpro-irt-statement-participation-05apr23-en.pdf>,

which all IRT members are expected to commit to.

To be clear, the model will not change the ability of any IRT member to
raise concerns about the implementation approach taken by ICANN org, as
detailed in the IRT Principles & Guidelines
<
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf
>.

*Why Have Representatives at All?*

While participants always speak in their own personal capacity,
representatives are expected to speak on behalf of their constituency,
stakeholder group, supporting organization, or advisory committee.
Therefore, a key part of the NCSG, NCUC and NPOCrepresentative?s? role
will be to engage actively and consistently with their NCSG, NCUC and
NPOCcolleagues to ensure they can convey the NCSG, NCUC and
NPOCviewpoints to the IRT. Please note, that this will require an
efficient process for representatives to inform and receive input from
their respective groups. To put this into place will be the
responsibility of each representative.

In addition, when determining the level of consensus in the circumstance
described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles & Guidelines, the GNSO
Liaison, in the Open + Representative model, shall take into
consideration that members who are representatives are expected to
express the viewpoint of their respective community groups and
participants to express their own views. This does not impact each
member?s ability to raise any concern they may have, nor does it absolve
ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from ?exercis[ing] all reasonable
efforts to resolve disagreements? within the IRT.

*What is ICANN org?s Role?*

ICANN org?s role is to implement ?the community?s recommendations at the
direction of the Board and under the supervision of the CEO?. When
implementing recommendations, ICANN org is ?responsible for the entire
implementation lifecycle, from creating an implementation plan, engaging
the Implementation Review Team (IRT) (if there is one), consulting with
relevant ICANN org staff and any outside parties that are required, and
conducting outreach surrounding the implementation, including
communicating with the public and relevant stakeholders regarding the
progress of implementation.? See CPIF
<https://www.icann.org/uploads/ckeditor/CPIF_v2.0_2019CLEAN.pdf>.

*Next Steps*

As noted above, we plan to start the IRT calls no later than the week of
14 May 2023. ICANN org is currently working on a Charter for the IRT,
which will be shared after it is finalized. We are also drafting an IRT
work plan and timeline that we plan to share during the first IRT meeting.

We are looking forward to getting the IRT underway and, please, do not
hesitate to reach out should have any questions.

Best wishes,

Lars

---

Lars Hoffmann

ICANN, Senior Director, Policy Research and Stakeholder Programs

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Apr 12 01:22:44 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 08:22:44 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] PC meeting topic leads
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Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUZBXpn3uNO68Bf_oSf6-Ej7OvKEBwwLeGGFd7B+YRK8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Councilors,

As discussed and agreed during our policy meeting in Canc?n, we will be
having topic leads shared amongst ourselves on the topics that are on the
Council agenda, for the Policy meeting.

The agenda has just been shared and here are the main topics we need folks
to volunteer to lead:

1. GNSO Review of GAC Communiqu? - Lead:

2. Expired Domain Deletion Policy (EDDP)/Expired Registration Recovery
Policy (ERRP) - Lead: Tomslin

3. Deferral of Rights Protection - Lead:

4. Mechanisms (RPMs) Phase 2 for 18 months (clock to begin in April 2023) -
Lead:  Tomslin

5. Customer Standing Committee (CSC) Effectiveness Review Report - Lead:
Tomslin

6. Registration Data Accuracy (RDA) - Lead: Scoping Team Self-Assessment -
Lead:

7. Council SubPro Small Team - Lead:

8. EPDP Phase 2 Small Team - Lead:

9. Closed Generics - Lead:

10. DNS Abuse - Lead: Tomslin

Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Terri Agnew via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023, 08:55
Subject: [council] Proposed Agenda | GNSO Council Meeting | Thursday, 20
April 2023
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>,
liaison6c at gnso.icann.org <liaison6c at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Dear all,



Please find below the final proposed agenda for the GNSO Council
Meeting on Thursday,
20 April 2023.



Please note that all documents referenced in the agenda have been gathered
on a Wiki page for convenience and easier access:
https://community.icann.org/x/5gE5Dg.



This agenda was established according to the GNSO Operating Procedures
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/op-procedures-24oct19-en.pdf>
v3.5, updated on 24 October 2019.

For convenience:

   - An excerpt of the ICANN Bylaws defining the voting thresholds is
   provided in Appendix 1 at the end of this agenda.
   - An excerpt from the Council Operating Procedures defining the absentee
   voting procedures is provided in Appendix 2 at the end of this agenda.



GNSO Council meeting on Thursday, 20 April at 21:00 UTC:
https://tinyurl.com/55r3ef4s.



14:00 Los Angeles; 17:00 Washington DC; 22:00 London; 23:00 Paris; (Friday)
00:00 Moscow;

(Friday) 07:00 Melbourne



*GNSO Council Meeting Remote Participation:*
*https://icann.zoom.us/j/97891627902?pwd=RURCTitiNEVwd2UySEk1QkRESmlFZz09*
<https://icann.zoom.us/j/97891627902?pwd=RURCTitiNEVwd2UySEk1QkRESmlFZz09>



Councilors should notify the GNSO Secretariat in advance if they will not
be able to attend and/or need a dial out call.

___________________________________

*Item 1: Administrative Matters (5 minutes)*

1.1 - Roll Call

1.2 - Updates to Statements of Interest

1.3 - Review / Amend Agenda

1.4 - Note the status of minutes for the previous Council meetings per the
GNSO Operating Procedures: .

Minutes
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/minutes/minutes-gnso-council-16feb23-en.pdf>
of the GNSO Council meeting on 16 February 2023 were posted on 02 March
2023.

Minutes
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/minutes/minutes-gnso-council-15mar23-en.pdf>
of the GNSO Council meeting on 15 March 2023 were posted on 30 March 2023.



*Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (5 minutes)*

2.1 - Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes /
topics, to include review of Projects List
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project> and Action Item List.
<https://community.icann.org/x/RgZlAg>



*Item 3: Consent Agenda (10 minutes) *

   - GNSO Review of GAC Communiqu?
   - GNSO Council Agreement on next steps for Expired Domain Deletion
   Policy (EDDP)/Expired Registration Recovery Policy (ERRP)
   - Deferral of Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) Phase 2 for 18 months
   (clock to begin in April 2023)
   - GNSO Council Adoption of the Customer Standing Committee (CSC)
   Effectiveness Review Report



*Item 4: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Accuracy - Results of Scoping Team?s
Self-Assessment Survey + Update from ICANN org (20 minutes)*



The Registration Data Accuracy (RDA) Scoping Team was initiated by the GNSO
Council in July 2021 per the formation instructions
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/registration-data-accuracy-scoping-team-formation-instructions-09jul21-en.pdf>.
The Scoping Team was tasked with considering a number of accuracy-related
factors including the current enforcement, reporting, measurement, and
overall effectiveness of accuracy-related efforts.



The Scoping Team completed Assignment #1 (enforcement and reporting) and
Assignment #2 (measurement of accuracy) and submitted its write up
<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2022-September/025950.html> to the
Council on 5 September 2022. In the write up, the group suggested moving
forward with two proposals that would not require access to registration
data, namely a registrar survey (recommendation #1) and a possible
registrar audit (recommendation #2) that may help further inform the team?s
work on assignment #3 (effectiveness) and #4 (impact & improvements), while
it awaits the outcome of the outreach to the European Data Protection Board
(EDPB) by ICANN org in relation to proposals that would require access to
registration data (recommendation #3).

During its November meeting, the Council adopted
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/minutes/minutes-gnso-council-17nov22-en.pdf>
recommendation #3 of the Scoping Team?s write up, which recommended (i)
pausing the work in relation to proposals that require access to
registration data, (ii) encouraging ICANN org to proceed with their
outreach to the EDPB as well as the Data Protection Impact Assessment in
connection with the scenario(s) in which the request and processing of
registration data takes place as a matter of urgency, and (iii) requesting
that ICANN org and Contracted Parties finalize the negotiations on the Data
Processing Agreement (DPA) as soon as practicable as the absence of a
completed DPA may act as a roadblock for policy work before Council. In
response to the Council?s requests
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/ducos-to-gutterman-01dec22-en.pdf>,
ICANN org provided the following update
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/gutterman-to-ducos-14mar23-en.pdf>
to the GNSO Council on 14 March 2023.

Taking into account the delay with which the write up was delivered, as
well as some of the challenges that were shared with the Scoping Team?s
Chair during his briefing to the Council, Council leadership reached out
informally to Scoping Team members to better understand the issues
encountered to help inform the Council?s review of the formation and
instructions.

Here, the Council will hear an update from ICANN org on its recent letter
and discuss the results of the Scoping Team?s Self-Assessment Survey.

4.1 ? Introduction of Topic (Sebastien Ducos, Council Chair)

4.2 ? Council discussion

4.3 - Next Steps





*Item 5: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Update from Council SubPro Small Team (20
minutes)*

During its informal session at ICANN76 and the subsequent Council meeting,
the Council discussed and agreed
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/minutes/minutes-gnso-council-15mar23-en.pdf>
to task a small team of interested councilors to review the recommendations
that the Board placed in a pending status and suggest to the full Council
how the underlying concerns that caused the pending status can be best
addressed (i.e., a limited triage exercise).. Interested Councilors were
asked to volunteer for the Small Team by 15 March 2023.

Since ICANN76, the Council SubPro Small Team has met several times and has
completed an initial run through of the issues chart, with an update from
Board members on why the Board placed specific recommendations into a
pending status. Following this review, the Small Team will begin
discussions of how the Council should respond to these items.

Additionally, the Small Team closely reviewed the draft Implementation
Review Team (IRT) documents and provided comments, which ICANN org
incorporated as applicable; the updated documents were utilized to seek
members and alternates from the SO/AC/SG/Cs and to seek participants via a
call for volunteers.

Here, the Council will receive a brief update on the efforts of the small
team.

5.1 ? Introduction of topic (Paul McGrady, Small Team Lead)

5.2 ? Council discussion

5.3 ? Next steps





*Item 6: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Update from EPDP Phase 2 Small Team (20
minutes)*



ICANN org published the Whois Disclosure System design paper
<https://archive.icann.org/meetings/icann75/files/content=t_attachment,f_%22WHOIS%20Disclosure%20System%20Design%20Paper_03_FINAL.pdf%22/WHOIS%20Disclosure%20System%20Design%20Paper_03_FINAL.pdf>
in September 2022 and presented it to the GNSO Council and the EPDP Phase 2
Small Team during ICANN75
<https://archive.icann.org/meetings/icann75/meetings/wmhLk2gj2Dm6PQaz2.html>.
The small team subsequently reviewed the design paper and continued its
consultations with ICANN org, resulting in an addendum
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/correspondence/ducos-to-gnso-council-07nov22-en.pdf>
to its preliminary report. The GNSO Council accepted the addendum and
communicated to the ICANN Board its support for the request that the ICANN
Board proceed with the implementation of the Whois Disclosure System,
provided that the updates identified by the small team in the addendum are
made.



On 27 February 2023, the Board directed
<https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-special-meeting-of-the-icann-board-27-02-2023-en>
ICANN org to develop and launch the Whois Disclosure System (System) as
requested by the GNSO Council within 11 months from 27 February 2023. The
Board also directed ICANN org to operate the System for up to two years
from the date of launch, and collect and report on usage data. Furthermore,
the ICANN Board has urged ?the GNSO Council to consider a Policy
Development Process or other means to require registrars to use the System?.



During ICANN76, the EPDP Phase 2 Small Team met
<https://icann76.sched.com/event/1J2Kp/gnso-epdp-phase-2-ssad-implementation-of-whois-disclosure-system>
with ICANN org to receive an update on the status of implementation of the
Whois Disclosure System and continue its consideration of some of the
aspects identified as requiring further discussion in the addendum.



Following ICANN76, the Small Team has been meeting to discuss the
additional suggestions made during the ICANN76 session and how to define
the success criteria for the system.



[The Council will also discuss the outstanding action item from its last
meeting, Council to consider response to the ICANN Board request
<https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-special-meeting-of-the-icann-board-27-02-2023-en>
to consider a PDP or other means to require, or strongly encourage,
registrars to use the WDS, noting that the small team has already been
assigned the task to how to best to promote and secure comprehensive use of
the system, both by potential requestors as well as ICANN-accredited
registrars.]



Here, the Council will receive an update from the Small Team.



6.1 Introduction of topic (Sebastien Ducos)

6.2 Council Discussion

6.3 Next Steps





*Item 7 - COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Next Steps on Closed Generics (20 minutes)*



In March 2023, the ICANN Board requested that the GAC and GNSO Council
consider engaging in a facilitated dialogue to develop a framework for
further GNSO policy work on the issue of Closed Generics. The GAC and GNSO
Council agreed to the Board?s suggestion and each appointed six
participants for the dialogue. One participant and one alternate from the
ALAC were also appointed. Should the GAC-GNSO facilitated dialogue result
in an agreed framework, the agreements will be further developed through
the appropriate GNSO policy process.



Following an initial, informal meeting at ICANN75 in Kuala Lumpur, the
dialogue participants have since been meeting regularly via Zoom and held a
substantive two-day face-to-face meeting in Washington, D.C. in late
January 2023. The dialogue is hoping to deliver a draft framework around
the end of April 2023 to the ALAC, GAC, GNSO and other SOACs for community
input. At this stage, groups are expected to have approximately four weeks
to review the document.



During its meeting at ICANN76, the ICANN Board passed a resolution
<https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-regular-meeting-of-the-icann-board-16-03-2023-en>
adopting a substantial portion of the outputs from the New gTLD Subsequent
Procedures PDP, setting in motion the start of the implementation process
for the next round of new gTLDs. As part of the resolution, the Board
established deadlines for key deliverables that will impact the development
of the implementation plan. By 15 June 2023, the Board expects to receive
?A GNSO Council project plan and timeline for policy work, or an alternate
path, on how to handle closed generics for the next round of new gTLDs.?



Here the Council will discuss its anticipated approach to reviewing the
draft framework as well as consider next steps in preparing the timeline
for subsequent policy work.



7.1 Introduction of topic (John McElwaine)

7.2 Council Discussion

7.3 Next Steps



*Item 8: COUNCIL DISCUSSION - Next Steps on DNS Abuse (10 minutes)*



In February 2022, the GNSO Council formed a small team
<https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=228786793> of
interested Council members to consider what policy efforts, if any, the
GNSO Council should consider undertaking to support the efforts already
underway in the different parts of the community to tackle DNS abuse.



On 7 October 2022, the DNS Abuse Small Team transmitted its Report
<https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/correspondence/dns-abuse-small-team-to-gnso-council-07oct22-en.pdf>
to the GNSO Council. Recommendation #2 from the Report recommended the GNSO
Council to request, et.al., the Registrar Stakeholder Group ?to further the
role that bulk registrations play in DNS Abuse as well as measures that
Registrars may have already put in place to address this vector. Based on
the feedback received, the GNSO Council will consider whether further
action on bulk registrations is deemed necessary.?



The DNS Abuse Small Team received input from the following groups:



   - Contractual Compliance, ICANN Org
   <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/hedlund-to-ducos-22feb23-en.pdf>
   - DNS Abuse Institute
   <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/bunton-to-ducos-27feb23-en.pdf>
   - gTLD Registries Stakeholder Group
   <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/woods-to-ducos-03mar23-en.pdf>
   - Registrar Stakeholder Group
   <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/heineman-to-ducos-13mar23-en.pdf>



Here, the Council will discuss next steps for the DNS Abuse small team,
including potentially reconstituting the Small Team to review the input
received.



8.1 Introduction of topic (Greg DiBiase)

8.2 Council Discussion

8.3 Next Steps



*Item 9: ANY OTHER BUSINESS (10 minutes)*

9.1 ICANN77 Day 0 SubPro Session Planning

9.2 ICANN77 Planning

9.3 Appointment of Council Liaison to the SubPro Implementation Review Team



_______________________________

Appendix 1: GNSO Council Voting Thresholds (ICANN Bylaws, Article 11,
Section 11.3(i))

See https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#article11.

Appendix 2: GNSO Council Absentee Voting Procedures (GNSO Operating
Procedures, Section 4.4)

See
https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/op-procedures-30jan18-en.pdf



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From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 17:13:50 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: UPCOMING DEADLINE EXTENDED / Request for Early Input
 - GNSO Transfer Policy Review PDP
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Transfer Policy Review PDP
Date: 	Wed, 12 Apr 2023 10:50:04 +0000
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To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Andrea Glandon 
<andrea.glandon at icann.org>
CC: 	Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org 
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Cobb <Berry.Cobb at icann.org>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>



*/This deadline has been extended to 18 April 2023./**//*

DearJulf,

Please find attached a request from the GNSO Transfer Policy Review 
Policy Development Process Working Group forinputfrom your group on 
Group 2 topics within the PDP?s charter. Responses are requested by 
18April 2023 and may be sent tognso-secs at icann.org 
<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>.

Kind regards,

Devan

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu Apr 13 23:01:33 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 06:01:33 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Request for Input] Board Listening Sessions With the
 ICANN Supporting Organizations and Advisory Committees
In-Reply-To: <BN0PR02MB8111B35B078CC513C46B6E99C5989@BN0PR02MB8111.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0B2B85CB-E581-4295-9B2E-30F06EB7745B@icann.org>
 <7D9C291C-7080-41A3-8D12-8E0C825BE159@icann.org>
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Dear members,

The GNSO leadership has been invited to a listening session with the board
where they will be expected to provide a GNSO input to the CEO candidate
profile which will be published before ICANN77. See the attached letter for
further details.

In light with this, the GNSO Council leadership would like all SG/Cs to
provide input, as such the NCSG Policy Committee has created the below
Google doc to collect NCSG input.

We will leave this open until Thursday 20 April in order to send our input
to GNSO leadership on time.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wrm6mSZzxIL8qcTiW0DrGpnERxYGcfCt/edit?usp=drivesdk&ouid=113654238139175902989&rtpof=true&sd=true

Warmly,
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From julf at Julf.com  Fri Apr 14 09:46:44 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:46:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on applicant support
In-Reply-To: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
References: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
Message-ID: <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>

Opinions?

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Article on applicant support
Date: 	Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:50:26 -0300
From: 	Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Stephanie Perrin 
<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
CC: 	Lawrence Olawale-Roberts <lawrence at microboss.org>



Julf, Stephanie,

Following up on the discussions we had on bringing a greater sense of 
harmony to our House:

I will write an article for CircleID together with Lawrence Roberts 
speaking of the importance of ICANN providing applicant support for the 
developing world to be able to compete, based on data that we sourced 
demonstrating how underrepresented this half the world was last time. 
Our focus will be particularly on SMEs.

While I am aware that this focus does not align with the current NCSG 
position, we do not exclude the need to support NGOs and similar 
entities, but rather want support for both cases. In that sense, I'd 
like to represent the NCSG's vision in parallel to our argument, stating 
that we hope both SGs arrive at a conclusion that ultimately benefits 
the developing world.

In case you find that interesting, could you send me a summary of the 
policy council's position within the next 7 days? In case you would 
rather not join, let's look towards other opportunities of representing 
our House's views together in the future.

Best,

-- 

Mark W. Datysgeld [markwd.website <https://markwd.website>]
Director at Governance Primer [governanceprimer.com 
<https://governanceprimer.com>]
ICANN GNSO Councilor


From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 10:20:19 2023
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:20:19 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on applicant support
In-Reply-To: <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
References: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
 <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnZyrpZiOj2x7bAP9j+rRvx=UGSU4GyJPO16d9gQ2eXWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Julf,

speaking here as the rep to GGP. Yes, the BE representative is pushing that
commercial entities can be covered by applicant support. That was discussed
several times in GGP and the argument against it is that we need to focus
on non-commercial and non-profit applicants. We had the same discussion 11
years ago about the JAS WG.
my personal opinion : this might possibly open the door for gaming and
some  will try to benefit from applicant support while they are solely for
profit. How many would do? I don't know ..
I believe NCSG's concern and focus is non-commercial, we shouldn't dilute
the program as that will be self-defeating.

for reference, quoting the section related to that topic:

> GOAL: That potential applicants from the not-for-profit sector, social
> enterprises and/or community organizations should be a priority target of
> events, communication channels, and publications, over those with a more
> commercial or technical focus.
>
> Approach: While not excluding any other type of applicant, ICANN org
> should prioritize targeting potential applicants from the not-for-profit
> sector, social enterprises and/or community organizations, over those with
> a more commercial or technical focus, through events, communications
> channels, and publications.
>
> Indicators of Success: That the majority of outreach events,
> communications channels, and publications are targeted to supported
> applicants are from not-for-profit sector, social enterprises and/or
> community organizations. [CONSIDER ADDING: However, groups with a more
> commercial focus should also remain a key focus of these outreach events,
> communications channels and publications.]
> Data/Metrics to Measure Success: Percentage of outreach events,
> communications channels, and publications targeted to supported applicants
> from not-for-profit sector, social enterprises and/or community
> organizations. [CONSIDER ADDING: with groups with a more commercial focus
> also remaining a key target.]
>

sorry that is just quick feedback. I will try to send some status report
soon regarding GGP working progress

Best,

Rafik


Le ven. 14 avr. 2023 ? 15:46, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> a ?crit :

> Opinions?
>
>         Julf
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        Article on applicant support
> Date:   Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:50:26 -0300
> From:   Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> CC:     Lawrence Olawale-Roberts <lawrence at microboss.org>
>
>
>
> Julf, Stephanie,
>
> Following up on the discussions we had on bringing a greater sense of
> harmony to our House:
>
> I will write an article for CircleID together with Lawrence Roberts
> speaking of the importance of ICANN providing applicant support for the
> developing world to be able to compete, based on data that we sourced
> demonstrating how underrepresented this half the world was last time.
> Our focus will be particularly on SMEs.
>
> While I am aware that this focus does not align with the current NCSG
> position, we do not exclude the need to support NGOs and similar
> entities, but rather want support for both cases. In that sense, I'd
> like to represent the NCSG's vision in parallel to our argument, stating
> that we hope both SGs arrive at a conclusion that ultimately benefits
> the developing world.
>
> In case you find that interesting, could you send me a summary of the
> policy council's position within the next 7 days? In case you would
> rather not join, let's look towards other opportunities of representing
> our House's views together in the future.
>
> Best,
>
> --
>
> Mark W. Datysgeld [markwd.website <https://markwd.website>]
> Director at Governance Primer [governanceprimer.com
> <https://governanceprimer.com>]
> ICANN GNSO Councilor
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Apr 14 14:44:27 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:44:27 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on applicant support
In-Reply-To: <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
References: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
 <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXaADsqg7K1uc5qbrkEzhquKOHYyQFqN-Gvc+ADs2gfRA@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. My first observation is that the authors of the proposed
article know who our representative is on that group. Why was he not copied
in the email seeking our position on this?

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, 16:46 Johan Helsingius, <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Opinions?
>
>         Julf
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:        Article on applicant support
> Date:   Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:50:26 -0300
> From:   Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> CC:     Lawrence Olawale-Roberts <lawrence at microboss.org>
>
>
>
> Julf, Stephanie,
>
> Following up on the discussions we had on bringing a greater sense of
> harmony to our House:
>
> I will write an article for CircleID together with Lawrence Roberts
> speaking of the importance of ICANN providing applicant support for the
> developing world to be able to compete, based on data that we sourced
> demonstrating how underrepresented this half the world was last time.
> Our focus will be particularly on SMEs.
>
> While I am aware that this focus does not align with the current NCSG
> position, we do not exclude the need to support NGOs and similar
> entities, but rather want support for both cases. In that sense, I'd
> like to represent the NCSG's vision in parallel to our argument, stating
> that we hope both SGs arrive at a conclusion that ultimately benefits
> the developing world.
>
> In case you find that interesting, could you send me a summary of the
> policy council's position within the next 7 days? In case you would
> rather not join, let's look towards other opportunities of representing
> our House's views together in the future.
>
> Best,
>
> --
>
> Mark W. Datysgeld [markwd.website <https://markwd.website>]
> Director at Governance Primer [governanceprimer.com
> <https://governanceprimer.com>]
> ICANN GNSO Councilor
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From julf at Julf.com  Fri Apr 14 15:48:03 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:48:03 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on applicant support
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnZyrpZiOj2x7bAP9j+rRvx=UGSU4GyJPO16d9gQ2eXWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
 <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
 <CAH5sThnZyrpZiOj2x7bAP9j+rRvx=UGSU4GyJPO16d9gQ2eXWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5cd6736b-c7ac-62d3-a97d-0c49dacaddd8@Julf.com>

Thanks Rafik, good points.

	Julf

On 14/04/2023 09:20, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> 
> Hi Julf,
> 
> speaking here as the rep to GGP. Yes, the BE representative is pushing 
> that commercial entities can be covered by applicant support. That was 
> discussed several times in GGP and the argument against it is that we 
> need to focus on non-commercial and non-profit applicants. We had the 
> same discussion 11 years ago about the JAS WG.
> my personal opinion : this might possibly open the door for gaming and 
> some? will try to benefit from applicant support while they are solely 
> for profit. How many would do? I don't know ..
> I believe NCSG's concern and focus is non-commercial, we shouldn't 
> dilute the program as that will be self-defeating.
> 
> for reference, quoting the section related to that topic:
> 
>     GOAL: That potential applicants from the not-for-profit sector,
>     social enterprises and/or community organizations should be a
>     priority target of events, communication channels, and publications,
>     over those with a more commercial or technical focus.
> 
> 
>     Approach: While not excluding any other type of applicant, ICANN org
>     should prioritize targeting potential applicants from the
>     not-for-profit sector, social enterprises and/or community
>     organizations, over those with a more commercial or technical focus,
>     through events, communications channels, and publications.
> 
>     Indicators of Success: That the majority of outreach events,
>     communications channels, and publications are targeted to supported
>     applicants are from not-for-profit sector, social enterprises and/or
>     community organizations. [CONSIDER ADDING: However, groups with a
>     more commercial focus should also remain a key focus of these
>     outreach events, communications channels and publications.]
> 
>     Data/Metrics to Measure Success: Percentage of outreach events,
>     communications channels, and publications targeted to supported
>     applicants from not-for-profit sector, social enterprises and/or
>     community organizations. [CONSIDER ADDING: with groups with a more
>     commercial focus also remaining a key target.]
> 
> 
> sorry that is just quick feedback. I will try to send some status report 
> soon regarding GGP working progress
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 
> Le?ven. 14 avr. 2023 ??15:46, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> a ?crit?:
> 
>     Opinions?
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
> 
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject:? ? ? ? Article on applicant support
>     Date:? ?Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:50:26 -0300
>     From:? ?Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com
>     <mailto:mark at governanceprimer.com>>
>     To:? ? ?Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Stephanie Perrin
>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
>     CC:? ? ?Lawrence Olawale-Roberts <lawrence at microboss.org
>     <mailto:lawrence at microboss.org>>
> 
> 
> 
>     Julf, Stephanie,
> 
>     Following up on the discussions we had on bringing a greater sense of
>     harmony to our House:
> 
>     I will write an article for CircleID together with Lawrence Roberts
>     speaking of the importance of ICANN providing applicant support for the
>     developing world to be able to compete, based on data that we sourced
>     demonstrating how underrepresented this half the world was last time.
>     Our focus will be particularly on SMEs.
> 
>     While I am aware that this focus does not align with the current NCSG
>     position, we do not exclude the need to support NGOs and similar
>     entities, but rather want support for both cases. In that sense, I'd
>     like to represent the NCSG's vision in parallel to our argument,
>     stating
>     that we hope both SGs arrive at a conclusion that ultimately benefits
>     the developing world.
> 
>     In case you find that interesting, could you send me a summary of the
>     policy council's position within the next 7 days? In case you would
>     rather not join, let's look towards other opportunities of representing
>     our House's views together in the future.
> 
>     Best,
> 
>     -- 
> 
>     Mark W. Datysgeld [markwd.website <https://markwd.website
>     <https://markwd.website>>]
>     Director at Governance Primer [governanceprimer.com
>     <http://governanceprimer.com>
>     <https://governanceprimer.com <https://governanceprimer.com>>]
>     ICANN GNSO Councilor
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
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From julf at Julf.com  Fri Apr 14 15:48:47 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:48:47 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on applicant support
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeXaADsqg7K1uc5qbrkEzhquKOHYyQFqN-Gvc+ADs2gfRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <018253c4-5782-c30b-a7af-9936db2fcd2c@governanceprimer.com>
 <3c0a070b-bd24-6bc2-cc1b-2bd7fad95e7d@Julf.com>
 <CAM8DdeXaADsqg7K1uc5qbrkEzhquKOHYyQFqN-Gvc+ADs2gfRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <727891da-ce51-8846-327a-601d2bf3a6e9@Julf.com>

On 14/04/2023 13:44, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Interesting. My first observation is that the authors of the proposed 
> article know who our representative is on that group. Why was he not 
> copied in the email seeking our position on this?

Maybe they are aware of the opinions of our representative? :)

	Julf



From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Sat Apr 15 00:04:22 2023
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 21:04:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] FW: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC
Message-ID: <211918FD-E71F-4B92-B1D5-CDF9DB9844D8@icann.org>

Good day all,

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30 UTC. Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>. Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.

Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09 [icann.zoom.us]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yi_7OQBd$>
Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
Passcode: i!y7.qx+11

WANT US TO CALL YOU? Please send dial-out request and apologies to brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>.

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Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
Phone only Passcode: 7740925615

Best,
Andrea & Dan


From: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Reply-To: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:21 PM
To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Subject: [Ext] NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC

Good day all,

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30 UTC. Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>. Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.

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Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
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WANT US TO CALL YOU? Please send dial-out request and apologies to brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>.

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PHONE ONLY DETAILS:
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Phone only Passcode: 7740925615

Best,
Brenda

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From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 15 20:13:15 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 19:13:15 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] ICANN77 Block Schedule
In-Reply-To: <10FAD39D-D94E-48F8-A73A-F0B6604D8673@icann.org>
References: <10FAD39D-D94E-48F8-A73A-F0B6604D8673@icann.org>
Message-ID: <b4326db7-d66a-077a-9dd3-87e037e5aae3@Julf.com>

FYI, the current draft block schedule for ICANN77.

	Julf
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From julf at Julf.com  Sun Apr 16 19:28:23 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2023 18:28:23 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] FW: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC
In-Reply-To: <211918FD-E71F-4B92-B1D5-CDF9DB9844D8@icann.org>
References: <211918FD-E71F-4B92-B1D5-CDF9DB9844D8@icann.org>
Message-ID: <19d85c7b-7bd1-3bb5-fba1-e5e76e6a17c1@Julf.com>

Please accept my apologies - I am unable to attend due to
scheduling conflict.

	Julf


On 14/04/2023 23:04, Brenda Brewer wrote:
> Good day all,
> 
> *Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30 
> UTC.*Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>. Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting: 
> *https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09 [icann.zoom.us] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yi_7OQBd$>*
> 
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
> 
> Passcode: i!y7.qx+11
> 
> *WANT US TO CALL YOU?*Please send dial-out request and apologies to 
> _brenda.brewer at icann.org <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>._
> 
> One tap mobile
> 
> +16699006833,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (San Jose)
> 
> +12532158782,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (Tacoma)
> 
> PHONE ONLY DETAILS:
> 
> Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg 
> [icann.zoom.us] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yig2JxoC$>
> 
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
> 
> Phone only Passcode: 7740925615
> 
> Best,
> 
> Andrea & Dan
> 
> *From: *NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Brenda 
> Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> *Reply-To: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:21 PM
> *To: *"NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> *Subject: *[Ext] NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC
> 
> Good day all,
> 
> *Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30 
> UTC.*Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>. Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting: 
> *https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09 [icann.zoom.us] <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yi_7OQBd$>*
> 
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
> 
> Passcode: i!y7.qx+11
> 
> *WANT US TO CALL YOU?*Please send dial-out request and apologies to 
> _brenda.brewer at icann.org <mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>._
> 
> One tap mobile
> 
> +16699006833,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (San Jose)
> 
> +12532158782,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (Tacoma)
> 
> PHONE ONLY DETAILS:
> 
> Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg 
> [icann.zoom.us] 
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yig2JxoC$>
> 
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
> 
> Phone only Passcode: 7740925615
> 
> Best,
> 
> Brenda
> 


From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Apr 17 04:30:38 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 11:30:38 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] FW: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC
In-Reply-To: <211918FD-E71F-4B92-B1D5-CDF9DB9844D8@icann.org>
References: <211918FD-E71F-4B92-B1D5-CDF9DB9844D8@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWCZW2B1C7Jwge8hK8uNBGVsha=HdX=cd5Sr_O+CtGgBw@mail.gmail.com>

Agenda is:

- Welcome from Tomslin
- Review of GNSO Council agenda for meeting scheduled on Thursday, 20 April.
- Request for Early Input-GNSO Transfer Policy Review-Due 18 April
- SubPro IRT Representative/Alternate
- AOB


On Sat, 15 Apr 2023, 07:04 Brenda Brewer, <brenda.brewer at icann.org> wrote:

> Good day all,
>
>
>
> *Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30
> UTC.* Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>.
> Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Join Zoom Meeting: *https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
> [icann.zoom.us]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yi_7OQBd$>*
>
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
>
> Passcode: i!y7.qx+11
>
>
>
> *WANT US TO CALL YOU?* Please send dial-out request and apologies to *brenda.brewer at icann.org
> <brenda.brewer at icann.org>.*
>
>
>
> One tap mobile
>
> +16699006833,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (San Jose)
>
> +12532158782,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (Tacoma)
>
> PHONE ONLY DETAILS:
>
> Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg [icann.zoom.us]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yig2JxoC$>
>
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
>
> Phone only Passcode: 7740925615
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Andrea & Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on behalf of Brenda
> Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> *Reply-To: *Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 1:21 PM
> *To: *"NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
> *Subject: *[Ext] NCSG Policy Call | 17 April at 11:30 UTC
>
>
>
> Good day all,
>
>
>
> *Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 17 April at 11:30
> UTC.* Additional time zone support here [timeanddate.com]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG*Policy*Call&iso=20230417T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30__;Kys!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yvhsSJF8$>.
> Join details are attached and noted below for your convenience. Thank you.
>
>
>
> Join Zoom Meeting: *https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
> [icann.zoom.us]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yi_7OQBd$>*
>
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
>
> Passcode: i!y7.qx+11
>
>
>
> *WANT US TO CALL YOU?* Please send dial-out request and apologies to *brenda.brewer at icann.org
> <brenda.brewer at icann.org>.*
>
>
>
> One tap mobile
>
> +16699006833,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (San Jose)
>
> +12532158782,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (Tacoma)
>
> PHONE ONLY DETAILS:
>
> Find your local number: https://icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg [icann.zoom.us]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/icann.zoom.us/u/ayKmeftWg__;!!PtGJab4!89jS1o75blcYjx01179eBM7Q0Er-lA5anQXpQIKL7VjWzU6Yy-h2o6sS4YvHIbDhtF0xH2toJXUpOFNQkhQTqGy3yig2JxoC$>
>
> Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
>
> Phone only Passcode: 7740925615
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Brenda
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From julf at Julf.com  Mon Apr 17 22:39:49 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:39:49 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input - GNSO
 Transfer Policy Review PDP
In-Reply-To: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
References: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
Message-ID: <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input - GNSO Transfer 
Policy Review PDP
Date: 	Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:08:28 +0000
From: 	Julie Bisland <julie.bisland at icann.org>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Andrea Glandon 
<andrea.glandon at icann.org>
CC: 	Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org 
<gnso-secs at icann.org>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>, 
Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>



*/This deadline has been extended to 18 April 2023. /*

Dear Julf,

Please find attached a request from the GNSO Transfer Policy Review 
Policy Development Process Working Group forinputfrom your group on 
Group 2 topics within the PDP?s charter. Responses are requested by 
18April 2023 and may be sent tognso-secs at icann.org 
<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>.

Kind regards,

Devan

*Devan Reed*
Policy Development Support - TEMP
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

www.icann.org 
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 18 00:18:59 2023
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:18:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input -
 GNSO Transfer Policy Review PDP
In-Reply-To: <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>
References: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
 <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>
Message-ID: <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Julf and all, 
Just to recall about the Draft created on this topic. It was made with contributions from some NPOC members, please feel free to add what you consider. 

Here is the link to the document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H2w9a9FvfSvFaVNeKMwcwKrfH9QcS1fesngxYvq_6Wc/edit?usp=sharing 
Please apologize for missing today's pc meeting, last night I was going out from the Hospital with my mother and it was impossible to get me up early. 
Best Regards, 

JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Director - MINKA DIGITAL ColombiaNPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
Master IT candidate, UNAD
Registered Linux User No.533108.


Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
Instagram/Twitter:?@JmanuRojas





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    El lunes, 17 de abril de 2023, 02:39:52 p.?m. GMT-5, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> escribi?:  
 
 


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: ??? DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input - GNSO Transfer 
Policy Review PDP
Date: ??? Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:08:28 +0000
From: ??? Julie Bisland <julie.bisland at icann.org>
To: ??? Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Andrea Glandon 
<andrea.glandon at icann.org>
CC: ??? Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org 
<gnso-secs at icann.org>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>, 
Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>



*/This deadline has been extended to 18 April 2023. /*

Dear Julf,

Please find attached a request from the GNSO Transfer Policy Review 
Policy Development Process Working Group forinputfrom your group on 
Group 2 topics within the PDP?s charter. Responses are requested by 
18April 2023 and may be sent tognso-secs at icann.org 
<mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>.

Kind regards,

Devan

*Devan Reed*
Policy Development Support - TEMP
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 01:15:43 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 08:15:43 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input -
 GNSO Transfer Policy Review PDP
In-Reply-To: <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
 <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>
 <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeU4kbfng18fmp7Rra-_b+9EweuQaD289rBaW6EHEqdKWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your work on this Juan. I had shared it with the general
membership and I also reminded them to make any comments before now as I
will be submitting it .

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023, 07:19 Juan Manuel Rojas, <jumaropi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Julf and all,
> Just to recall about the Draft created on this topic. It was made with
> contributions from some NPOC members, please feel free to add what you
> consider.
>
> Here is the link to the document:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H2w9a9FvfSvFaVNeKMwcwKrfH9QcS1fesngxYvq_6Wc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Please apologize for missing today's pc meeting, last night I was going
> out from the Hospital with my mother and it was impossible to get me up
> early.
> Best Regards,
>
> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> Master IT candidate, UNAD
> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>
>
>
> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El lunes, 17 de abril de 2023, 02:39:52 p. m. GMT-5, Johan Helsingius <
> julf at julf.com> escribi?:
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:     DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input - GNSO Transfer
> Policy Review PDP
> Date:     Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:08:28 +0000
> From:     Julie Bisland <julie.bisland at icann.org>
> To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Andrea Glandon
> <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> CC:     Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
> <gnso-secs at icann.org>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>,
> Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>
>
>
> */This deadline has been extended to 18 April 2023. /*
>
> Dear Julf,
>
> Please find attached a request from the GNSO Transfer Policy Review
> Policy Development Process Working Group forinputfrom your group on
> Group 2 topics within the PDP?s charter. Responses are requested by
> 18April 2023 and may be sent tognso-secs at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Devan
>
> *Devan Reed*
> Policy Development Support - TEMP
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> www.icann.org
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=5Q2VHFiILluU8bvJHD3YjtNb84SyquCx2HSNHYn1ybs&m=X5iO0FCI3T2FxZ0KhKQ1iY0GhPzLH7XaiK8LfLcHSPY&s=grheVbJRc-hQqrXXGzMqUK3Htr0S5Z74HFOhmrag-Js&e=
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From julf at Julf.com  Tue Apr 18 11:14:43 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 10:14:43 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input -
 GNSO Transfer Policy Review PDP
In-Reply-To: <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
 <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>
 <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ff989efe-6761-01de-a835-2fbb0218bfb0@Julf.com>

On 17/04/2023 23:18, Juan Manuel Rojas wrote:

> Please apologize for missing today's pc meeting, last night I was going 
> out from the Hospital with my mother and it was impossible to get me up 
> early.

Sorry to hear! Hope she is doing OK!

	Julf



From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Tue Apr 18 13:31:05 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 20:31:05 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input -
 GNSO Transfer Policy Review PDP
In-Reply-To: <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <58722DA9-12F6-4000-8978-4DCC6DCB142A@icann.org>
 <45af0227-10c7-3556-a0ec-ee072d266c47@Julf.com>
 <580952895.2524521.1681766340002@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeU0R=2CXrpsaOuAOy80h-8bOXpd2KiWQwr6D_z4y4g4hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Juan,
I actually missed the message about your mum. I hope she is doing okay now
and growing stronger.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Tue, 18 Apr 2023 at 07:19, Juan Manuel Rojas <jumaropi at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Julf and all,
> Just to recall about the Draft created on this topic. It was made with
> contributions from some NPOC members, please feel free to add what you
> consider.
>
> Here is the link to the document:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H2w9a9FvfSvFaVNeKMwcwKrfH9QcS1fesngxYvq_6Wc/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Please apologize for missing today's pc meeting, last night I was going
> out from the Hospital with my mother and it was impossible to get me up
> early.
> Best Regards,
>
> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
> NPOC Policy Chair - NCSG/GNSO
> Master IT candidate, UNAD
> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>
>
>
> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El lunes, 17 de abril de 2023, 02:39:52 p. m. GMT-5, Johan Helsingius <
> julf at julf.com> escribi?:
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:     DEADLINE TOMORROW / Request for Early Input - GNSO Transfer
> Policy Review PDP
> Date:     Mon, 17 Apr 2023 17:08:28 +0000
> From:     Julie Bisland <julie.bisland at icann.org>
> To:     Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>, Andrea Glandon
> <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> CC:     Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
> <gnso-secs at icann.org>, Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>,
> Berry Cobb <Berry.Cobb at icann.org>, Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>
>
>
> */This deadline has been extended to 18 April 2023. /*
>
> Dear Julf,
>
> Please find attached a request from the GNSO Transfer Policy Review
> Policy Development Process Working Group forinputfrom your group on
> Group 2 topics within the PDP?s charter. Responses are requested by
> 18April 2023 and may be sent tognso-secs at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Devan
>
> *Devan Reed*
> Policy Development Support - TEMP
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> www.icann.org
> <
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=5Q2VHFiILluU8bvJHD3YjtNb84SyquCx2HSNHYn1ybs&m=X5iO0FCI3T2FxZ0KhKQ1iY0GhPzLH7XaiK8LfLcHSPY&s=grheVbJRc-hQqrXXGzMqUK3Htr0S5Z74HFOhmrag-Js&e=
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From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Tue Apr 18 18:28:32 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2023 15:28:32 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUh_A=yqMBKQgY-+idR3KRACqLqXrtwVdViJaSWbEpSng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeW+6gRgenvg9es4aVuBy3iHq8KvCaJ0q-6oZA13RboThQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <58E46513-2623-4DC2-AE29-79F80CDF8B97@icann.org>

Hello all,

I am checking back on this ask. They are looking for a primary and a secondary.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:49
To: Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Thanks, Peter.

We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Tomslin,

Maybe you can do well to recirculate.

If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.

Regards.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.

Let me know what you think.
Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com<mailto:aminhacha at gmail.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>

Dear Tomslin,
I am interested to join and participate.
Let me know if more information is required from my side.
Regards,
Amine

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,

ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process. This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are being asked to nominate one primary member and one
secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.

The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.

Please submit your expression of interest no later than 18th March 2023, indicating how you meet these requirements.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Apr 19 16:30:56 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <62B7A7D8-861D-4D41-A890-5A08B17CB1A3@inta.org>
References: <5BD7FD6D-EECA-4BA4-895D-9C9A95F6E874@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <5c241010-4f63-47e2-d843-210f4af5c635@Julf.com>

Hi Lori,

I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.

Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the
deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't
been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking
questions.

As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and
considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think
reappointing him for one more term is best option.

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Wed Apr 19 18:25:14 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:25:14 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB50300C198ED327A0928DDDFDD3629@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB50300C198ED327A0928DDDFDD3629@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <bfe27569-ee5d-1eab-aacb-1197a2f9b83b@Julf.com>

FYI...


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:20:48 +0000
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>, julf at julf.com 
<julf at Julf.com>
CC: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>

Dear Julf,

Thank you for your patience with my recovery.  It has been a slog and 
with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to 
prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 
2018 agreement.  The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as 
we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture. 
I had asked a question about NCSG's concerns over Mark's inability to 
"stand up to" Becky.  I had mentioned that we do not feel that this is a 
criterion upon which we agree.  We would like to discuss this with NCSG 
ExCom in further detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing 
up to Becky either...at least not in public.  Becky has obvious 
strengths as a Board member but that should not be affecting our 
decisions about who should be representing us.  We had a very productive 
meeting with our Board incumbents last week and expect that all 
representatives have reached a point where they have something to offer. 
   We expect that Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our 
support of his candidacy.

That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is 
the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.   The 
way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of 
candidates" indefinitely.  This wastes a lot of time and effort.
I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break 
stalemates in the future.    I included them in one of our earlier 
messages but have not heard back on any of them.  The CSG has improved 
the draft since that first message and we are finalizing a proposal that 
we hope the NCSG will consider.  The deal benefits both sides of the 
house with each potentially having a candidate in place for 9 years. 
Once we have approved it internally, we will forward for NCSG's review 
and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion follow.  You can expect this 
proposal shortly.  I will revert back with an exact date.

Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary 
performance.  Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the 
standards of that performance are.  That is a failure of governance and 
should be corrected.  We are aware that the deadline is coming however, 
we would offer that we work out the long term issues while continuing to 
discuss the pros and cons of the current roster of Mark and Matthew. 
If we are truly stalemated, we will interview others, starting with 
Rafik.  At that point, we would offer another candidate too.  Let's use 
that as a last resort.  We would rather miss the deadline and solve our 
longer term issues than rush to reappoint the incumbent.
We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of 
geographic balance.  We are committed to not impeding the process for 
others.  However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an 
appropriate pace.

With kind regards,

Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, 
April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline

Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com>, Tim Smith 
<tim.smith at cipa.com>, csg-excomm at icann.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, 
Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC 
<ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi Lori,

I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.

Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline 
is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact 
with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.

As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and 
considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think 
reappointing him for one more term is best option.

	Julf



From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Wed Apr 19 20:41:32 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 17:41:32 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
In-Reply-To: <58E46513-2623-4DC2-AE29-79F80CDF8B97@icann.org>
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Hello again,

The planning team would like to have a response to this request by Friday, 21 April. They have also asked about the possibility of the FY24 participant continuing? For NCSG this is Bruna Martins dos Santos.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:28
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Hello all,

I am checking back on this ask. They are looking for a primary and a secondary.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:49
To: Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Thanks, Peter.

We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Tomslin,

Maybe you can do well to recirculate.

If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.

Regards.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.

Let me know what you think.
Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com<mailto:aminhacha at gmail.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>

Dear Tomslin,
I am interested to join and participate.
Let me know if more information is required from my side.
Regards,
Amine

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,

ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process. This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are being asked to nominate one primary member and one
secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.

The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.

Please submit your expression of interest no later than 18th March 2023, indicating how you meet these requirements.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 21:24:54 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 04:24:54 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
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Hi Liz,

Amine didn't send any more information than what I sent below even after I
requested for more.

Warmly,
Tomslin



On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 04:30, Liz Orembo <lizorembo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin,
>
> I hope I am not late in this process. Did Amine send his EOI? Where can we
> check to comment?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 9:48?AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Peter.
>>
>> We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had
>> volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you
>> to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tomslin,
>>>
>>> Maybe you can do well to recirculate.
>>>
>>> If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it
>>>> is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
>>>> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
>>>> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Tomslin,
>>>> I am interested to join and participate.
>>>> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Amine
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
>>>>> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
>>>>> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
>>>>> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
>>>>> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member)
>>>>> with knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
>>>>> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March
>>>>> 2023*, indicating how you meet these requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
>
> Best regards.
> Liz.
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Wed Apr 19 21:32:27 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 04:32:27 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
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Thanks Andrea.

I don't know how available @Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
is to continue.
@Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> and all PC members, should we appoint
Akinremi as primary and Amine Hacha as alternate?


Warmly,
Tomslin



On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 at 03:41, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
wrote:

> Hello again,
>
>
>
> The planning team would like to have a response to this request by Friday,
> 21 April. They have also asked about the possibility of the FY24
> participant continuing? For NCSG this is Bruna Martins dos Santos.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:28
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
> *Cc: *ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25
> Planning Prioritization Group
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am checking back on this ask. They are looking for a primary and a
> secondary.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tomslin
> Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:49
> *To: *Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
> *Cc: *ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
> Prioritization Group
>
>
>
> Thanks, Peter.
>
>
>
> We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had
> volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you
> to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Tomslin,
>
>
>
> Maybe you can do well to recirculate.
>
>
>
> If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is
> okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>
>
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Amin Hacha* <aminhacha at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
>
> Dear Tomslin,
>
> I am interested to join and participate.
>
> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
>
> Regards,
>
> Amine
>
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>
>
>
> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with
> knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>
>
>
> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March 2023*,
> indicating how you meet these requirements.
>
>
>
> Warmly,
>
> Tomslin
>
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> [linkedin.com]
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From julf at Julf.com  Wed Apr 19 21:40:26 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 20:40:26 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
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On 19/04/2023 20:32, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:

> @Johan Helsingius <mailto:julf at julf.com> and all PC members, should we 
> appoint Akinremi as primary and Amine Hacha as alternate?

I am OK with that.

	Julf



From julf at Julf.com  Thu Apr 20 21:32:18 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 20:32:18 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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Dear Lori,

I totally understand and agree with prioritizing your health and
day job.

My mentioning of "standing up to Becky" was in response to what I
understood, based on our discussion, was your concern with Matthew.
Seems I misunderstood you - my apologies!

Board members don't, as a rule, disagree with each other in public,
but behind the scenes there are heated discussions. We feel Mark
is currently still too inexperienced and lacks the gravitas to be
effective in the high-pressure board environment. In our interview
with Mark he also didn't convince us of him having the required
management skills and experience, nor the knowledge about the
peculiarities of the ICANN community and more specifically the NCPH
nuances. Unlike Mark, Matthew has actually shown he possesses all the
attributes that the ICANN bylaws list as requisites that need to be
demonstrated by Board Members a

I am not quite sure about who you are referring to with "our Board
incumbents", but I am occasionally reminded of the fact that English
is my third language.

I also disagree with the view that granting a 3rd term to a Board Member
should be based on extraordinary performance. The experience,
position and credibility within the board built up during the previous
terms is very valuable, and should not be wasted lightly. I feel that
unless there are serious concerns about the functioning of a board
member, we should prioritise giving these individuals preference over
someone unproven.

I agree there is a bigger issue, not just with the 2018 agreement but
in the cooperation within the NCPH. I really feel we need to bring back
the intercessional meetings or some other way to jointly discuss the
issues. I fear resolving those issues will take too long to provide
help for our current issue with the board seat 14.

In my 1-on-1 with Sally Costerton she expressed her serious concern
about how missing the deadline will reflect badly on all of ICANN,
and could be used against the whole multistakeholder model. Thus
I feel there is real time pressure to get the board seat issue
resolved.

We would also like to better understand your reasons for rejecting
Matthew, and what it would take for you to accept him. We are therefore
looking forward to a constructive discussion.

With kind regards,

	Julf


On 19/04/2023 17:20, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.  It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
> 
> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.  The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.   I had asked a question about NCSG's concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.  I had mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we agree.  We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at least not in public.  Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be representing us.  We had a very productive meeting with our Board incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a point where they have something to offer.   We expect that Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
> 
> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.   The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.  This wastes a lot of time and effort.
> 
> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.    I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.  The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.  The deal benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a candidate in place for 9 years.   Once we have approved it internally, we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion follow.  You can expect this proposal shortly.  I will revert back with an exact date.
> 
> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.  Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.  That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.  We are aware that the deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current roster of Mark and Matthew.   If we are truly stalemated, we will interview others, starting with Rafik.  At that point, we would offer another candidate too.  Let's use that as a last resort.  We would rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to reappoint the incumbent.
> 
> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.  We are committed to not impeding the process for others.  However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, csg-excomm at icann.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> 
> Hi Lori,
> 
> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
> 
> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
> 
> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
> 
> 	Julf
> 


From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 22 14:30:13 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:30:13 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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References: <BL1PR12MB50300738B3B71043E279965AD3609@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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So Mark is still the only possibility, and they want to bundle
in a change in the 2018 agreement too. Way to go...

	Julf



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: 	Fri, 21 Apr 2023 17:46:00 +0000
From: 	Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: 	Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
CC: 	csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, MCole at perkinscoie.com 
<mcole at perkinscoie.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com 
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>



Hi Julf,
Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
have a few questions:
1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?? 2023 
Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
"extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by the 
NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.? We 
had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still do.? I 
explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy with a 
balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built strong 
relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's strengths, you 
have indicated that you may support him 3 years from now but not now.? I 
think that needs to be more fully discussed.? Perhaps we can organize a 
call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
We look forward to your responses to our questions.
With kind regards,
Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org <http://www.inta.org>
-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Dear Lori,
Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board member keeps 
his seat until a replacement is found.
  ??????? Julf
On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
> ,eLHYiQmPLuIfqOOFUUAzZ6uoC4lE_f9egVim69bPwV0Qp8K2CRdG34GbkQyPvNpl6jzYF
> nHYbxrjdJOBC2tstgkB_Snp-dtk4itxSnEnaaXX&typo=1
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lori Schulman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>; 
julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Dear Julf,
> 
> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
> 
> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had 
mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail 
as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at 
least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but 
that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be 
representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our Board 
incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a 
point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that Mark will fit 
right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
> 
> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
> 
> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal 
benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion 
follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will revert back with 
an exact date.
> 
> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long 
term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current 
roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we will 
interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would offer 
another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We would 
rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to 
reappoint the incumbent.
> 
> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
> 
> With kind regards,
>   
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
> ,Xk_rHz9qe1QbwE0imxE2ystoI7QxOoK2Ze_AMj1iBOinl3q_J1cnibYgeH0OjM9Vlpjuc
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>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> 
> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith
> <tim.smith at cipa.com <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org 
<mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
<mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, Brian King
> <brian.king at clarivate.com <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>, 
philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>, 
NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> 
> Hi Lori,
> 
> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
> 
> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
> 
> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
> 
>??????? Julf
> 


From julf at Julf.com  Sat Apr 22 15:02:04 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 14:02:04 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] My suggested response to Lori on board seat 14
Message-ID: <3de688cb-7488-45a0-5ca3-8ff2a6cbd5a1@Julf.com>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have explained your reservations with Matthew, it would help
me if you could list them again, as detailed, clear an unambiguous as
possible so that I don't misinterpret or miscommunicate them to our
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support, experience and character - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf



From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Sat Apr 22 14:31:21 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:31:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] My suggested response to Lori on board seat 14
Message-ID: <141b54cc-2591-3b1e-9929-99d9522db2d1@gmail.com>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have explained your reservations with Matthew, it would help
me if you could list them again, as detailed, clear an unambiguous as
possible so that I don't misinterpret or miscommunicate them to our
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support, experience and character - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf



From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun Apr 23 15:26:51 2023
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 22:26:51 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
In-Reply-To: <3B5AC1F2-EA02-4F60-BB1B-D89B85A5FDB5@icann.org>
References: <CAM8DdeW+6gRgenvg9es4aVuBy3iHq8KvCaJ0q-6oZA13RboThQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Andrea,

We'll go with this:

Akinremi as primary and Amine Hacha as alternate.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, 03:41 Andrea Glandon, <andrea.glandon at icann.org> wrote:

> Hello again,
>
>
>
> The planning team would like to have a response to this request by Friday,
> 21 April. They have also asked about the possibility of the FY24
> participant continuing? For NCSG this is Bruna Martins dos Santos.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:28
> *To: *Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
> *Cc: *ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25
> Planning Prioritization Group
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I am checking back on this ask. They are looking for a primary and a
> secondary.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Tomslin
> Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:49
> *To: *Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>
> *Cc: *ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
> Prioritization Group
>
>
>
> Thanks, Peter.
>
>
>
> We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had
> volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you
> to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Tomslin,
>
>
>
> Maybe you can do well to recirculate.
>
>
>
> If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is
> okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.
>
>
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Amin Hacha* <aminhacha at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
> Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
> To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
>
> Dear Tomslin,
>
> I am interested to join and participate.
>
> Let me know if more information is required from my side.
>
> Regards,
>
> Amine
>
>
>
> On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process.
> This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which
> comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are
> being asked to nominate one primary member and one
> secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.
>
>
>
> The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with
> knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP
> recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.
>
>
>
> Please submit your expression of interest no later than *18th March 2023*,
> indicating how you meet these requirements.
>
>
>
> Warmly,
>
> Tomslin
>
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
> [linkedin.com]
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From julf at Julf.com  Sun Apr 23 22:34:46 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:34:46 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
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Message-ID: <d515180f-8b2a-44ce-db0b-4ccad26dca8e@Julf.com>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to
come back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is
very supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have previously explained your reservations with Matthew in
general, listing them again, in detail, would help provide a clear and
unambiguous understanding the objections that CSG has. This would also
prevent me misinterpreting or miscommunicating your views to our 
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him
to develop much more support and experience - not something
that will happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a
signal that we could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed
and interviewed not just by our executive team, but also by members
of our policy committee (that is responsible for appointing
our representatives to PDPs and working groups), and not a single
member supported him. While his inexperience and lack of gravitas
are the most important reason, the team raised a lot of other concerns
and issues. We don't see Mark as a viable candidate, and I hope
you will respect the judgement of our EC and PC.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC,
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you
don't seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf


On 21/04/2023 19:46, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
> intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
> holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
> have a few questions:
> 1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
> 2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
> years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?? 2023 
> Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
> 3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
> "extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by the 
> NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.? We 
> had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still do.? I 
> explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy with a 
> balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built strong 
> relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's strengths, you 
> have indicated that you may support him 3 years from now but not now.? I 
> think that needs to be more fully discussed.? Perhaps we can organize a 
> call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
> We look forward to your responses to our questions.
> With kind regards,
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org <http://www.inta.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
> Dear Lori,
> Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board member keeps 
> his seat until a replacement is found.
>  ??????? Julf
> On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
>> ,eLHYiQmPLuIfqOOFUUAzZ6uoC4lE_f9egVim69bPwV0Qp8K2CRdG34GbkQyPvNpl6jzYF
>> nHYbxrjdJOBC2tstgkB_Snp-dtk4itxSnEnaaXX&typo=1
>>   
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lori Schulman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
>> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>; 
> julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
>> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
>> 
>> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had 
> mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
> agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further detail 
> as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky either...at 
> least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a Board member but 
> that should not be affecting our decisions about who should be 
> representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our Board 
> incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have reached a 
> point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that Mark will fit 
> right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
>> 
>> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
>> 
>> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal 
> benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
> candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
> we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH discussion 
> follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will revert back with 
> an exact date.
>> 
>> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long 
> term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the current 
> roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we will 
> interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would offer 
> another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We would 
> rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than rush to 
> reappoint the incumbent.
>> 
>> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1>
>> ,Xk_rHz9qe1QbwE0imxE2ystoI7QxOoK2Ze_AMj1iBOinl3q_J1cnibYgeH0OjM9Vlpjuc
>> Eo0DKjPSaeGnTkOwJHj4Qwtzm4onBtcOtFayA,,&typo=1
>>   
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith
>> <tim.smith at cipa.com <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
>> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, Brian King
>> <brian.king at clarivate.com <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>, 
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>, 
> NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>> 
>> Hi Lori,
>> 
>> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
>> 
>> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
>> 
>> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
>> 
>>??????? Julf
>> 


From julf.helsingius at gmail.com  Mon Apr 24 14:38:08 2023
From: julf.helsingius at gmail.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:38:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
In-Reply-To: <BL1PR12MB50305DB8A3FD156852DEE7CDD3669@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BL1PR12MB50305DB8A3FD156852DEE7CDD3669@BL1PR12MB5030.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c8293834-d9d7-9463-510a-75d747b64ebe@gmail.com>

FYI...

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 20:18:59 +0000
From: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
To: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>

Hi Julf,

I will forward your reply to our ExCom and revert with a response 
shortly.  Thank you for your candor.

With kind regards,

Lori S. Schulman
Senior Director, Internet Policy
International Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
lschulman at inta.org, www.inta.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, April 
23, 2023 9:36 PM
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2023 21:34:46 +0200
From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com>
To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
CC: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <csg-excomm at icann.org>, Mohr, Susan 
<Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com>, 'Brian King' 
<brian.king at clarivate.com>, MCole at perkinscoie.com 
<mcole at perkinscoie.com>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com 
<philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>, ncsg-pc 
<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi Lori,

I am glad we both agree with the need for the intersessionals to come 
back. I already discussed it with Sally, and seems Org is very 
supportive of the idea.

Apologies for not being clear enough in my question about your phrase 
"our Board incumbents", it was not so much about the word "incumbents"
but about the word "our".

I don't think we see the same need (and especially urgency) to revise 
the 2018 agreement as CSG does. From one point of view, the possibility 
of deadlock is a potential problem, but it also forces us to work 
together better. In this case of the current appointment issue, I think 
both parties have to share the blame for not starting the process 
earlier, and working together to find a mutually acceptable candidate.

I don't think we should tie the two issues together. Any changes to the
2018 agreement need to be thoroughly considered and discussed on both 
sides, and will take a fair bit of time. Meanwhile we need to appoint 
someone for board seat 14 as soon as possible.

The NomCom "extraordinary/exceptional performance" standard might be 
appropriate for the NomCom appointed board members, as the NomCom is 
tasked with bringing in outsiders and new blood, but it is less suitable 
for SO/AC appointees.

While you have previously explained your reservations with Matthew in 
general, listing them again, in detail, would help provide a clear and 
unambiguous understanding the objections that CSG has. This would also 
prevent me misinterpreting or miscommunicating your views to our 
executive and policy teams.

As to my comment about us possibly being able to support Mark 3 years 
from now, the emphasis is on "possibly", and it would require him to 
develop much more support and experience - not something that will 
happen overnight. My comment should not be seen as a signal that we 
could be convinced to accept Mark. He was reviewed and interviewed not 
just by our executive team, but also by members of our policy committee 
(that is responsible for appointing our representatives to PDPs and 
working groups), and not a single member supported him. While his 
inexperience and lack of gravitas are the most important reason, the 
team raised a lot of other concerns and issues. We don't see Mark as a 
viable candidate, and I hope you will respect the judgement of our EC 
and PC.

I am happy to facilitate a call between your ExCom and our EC and PC, 
but meanwhile we are somewhat surprised and disappointed that you don't 
seem to have given our alternative candidate, Rafik, any serious 
consideration.

Kind regards,

	Julf


On 21/04/2023 19:46, Lori Schulman wrote:
> Hi Julf,
> Thank you for checking.? I agree that we desperately need an 
> intersessional.?? When I say "incumbent/s".? I mean current seat 
> holder/s without mentioning specific names.? Before we organize one, I 
> have a few questions:
> 1) Does NCSG see the same need to revise the 2018 agreement as CSG does?
> 2) If NCSG agrees that a revision is essential to avoid stalemate 3 
> years from now, is NCSG agreeable to tying the 2 issues together?  
> 2023 Board Seat 14 selection and revised rules for nominations.
> 3) The CSG's position regarding the 3rd term should be extended for 
> "extraordinary/exceptional performance" mirrors the standard used by 
> the NomCom.? We believe that NCPH should adhere to similar standards.  
> We had reservations about renewing Matthew 3 years ago and we still 
> do.? I explained them to you.? Mark brings strong experience in policy 
> with a balanced approach and an aim toward compromise.? He has built 
> strong relationships with NCSG and while you acknowledge Mark's 
> strengths, you have indicated that you may support him 3 years from 
> now but not now.? I think that needs to be more fully discussed.  
> Perhaps we can organize a call between our 2 excoms to sort this out?
> We look forward to your responses to our questions.
> With kind regards,
> Lori S. Schulman
> Senior Director, Internet Policy
> International Trademark Association (INTA)
> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
> lschulman at inta.org, 
> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1
> ,gnOODaYbBtpLU9e65eMGothMEAXDSGtaMQabP7T5RGm2iwaS1gzG7CQy3JlN-QE8CGeG5
> aMYrLFKEz1nCnZvwNG2ZXRIwfvgQ3INynCc6A,,&typo=1 
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,1
> ,uwIX8dF5KqK89VWG-58fA2UIAtvAdaWbdaF10VxqFebqvgtLH50U-_cjloCUNwFYH4200
> QbguY7ls85sYlX4dRyLeHMwJMbLh7BHoor534_h&typo=1>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:04 PM
> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org>
> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org
> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline Dear 
> Lori, Yes, I did check, and according to them, the current board 
> member keeps his seat until a replacement is found.
>  ??????? Julf
> On 20/04/2023 17:56, Lori Schulman wrote:
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Following up from my message,? I want also clarify that you were going to check with ICANN legal about the potential for stalemate and legal implications for ICANN.? is that right?? If so, have you heard anything.? If not, can you recall who made that  offer to check with legal.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
>> 1
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
> 1>
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>> F
>> nHYbxrjdJOBC2tstgkB_Snp-dtk4itxSnEnaaXX&typo=1
>>   
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lori Schulman
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:21 PM
>> To: 'Johan Helsingius' <julf.helsingius at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>;
> julf at julf.com <mailto:julf at julf.com>
>> Cc: csg-excomm at ICANN.org <mailto:csg-excomm at ICANN.org>
>> Subject: RE: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Dear Julf,
>> 
>> Thank you for your patience with my recovery.? It has been a slog and with INTA's Annual Meeting in Singapore coming up, I have had to prioritize my health and my organization's meeting over anything else.
>> 
>> We appreciate that you have nominated Rafik per the procedures of the 
>> 2018 agreement.? The CSG ExCom reserves our right to interview Rafik 
>> as we are trying to avoid a "battle of the candidates" at this 
>> juncture.?? I had asked a question about NCSG's  concerns over Mark's 
>> inability to "stand up to" Becky.? I had
> mentioned that we do not feel that this is a criterion upon which we 
> agree.? We would like to discuss this with NCSG ExCom in further 
> detail as we have not witnessed the incumbent standing up to Becky 
> either...at least not in public.? Becky has obvious strengths as a 
> Board member but that should not be affecting our decisions about who 
> should be representing us.? We had a very productive meeting with our 
> Board incumbents last week and expect that all representatives have 
> reached a point where they have something to offer.?? We expect that 
> Mark will fit right in and are sticking with our support of his candidacy.
>> 
>> That said, we believe that there is a bigger issue to be solved, that is the failure of the 2018 agreement to prevent another stalemate.?? The way the procedure works, we could become entangled in the "battle of candidates" indefinitely.? This wastes  a lot of time and effort.
>> 
>> I had drafted some proposed deal points that could potentially break 
>> stalemates in the future.??? I included them in one of our earlier 
>> messages but have not heard back on any of them.? The CSG has 
>> improved the draft since that first message and we are  finalizing a 
>> proposal that we hope the NCSG will consider.? The deal
> benefits both sides of the house with each potentially having a 
> candidate in place for 9 years.?? Once we have approved it internally, 
> we will forward for NCSG's review and, hopefully, a full NCPH 
> discussion follow.? You can expect this proposal shortly.? I will 
> revert back with an exact date.
>> 
>> Granting a 3rd term to a Board Member should be based on 
>> extraordinary performance.? Our sides of the house have not agreed on 
>> what the standards of that performance are.? That is a failure of 
>> governance and should be corrected.? We are aware that the  deadline 
>> is coming however, we would offer that we work out the long
> term issues while continuing to discuss the pros and cons of the 
> current roster of Mark and Matthew.?? If we are truly stalemated, we 
> will interview others, starting with Rafik.? At that point, we would 
> offer another candidate too.? Let's use that as a last resort.? We 
> would rather miss the deadline and solve our longer term issues than 
> rush to reappoint the incumbent.
>> 
>> We are aware that the NomCom may be affected by our decision in terms of geographic balance.? We are committed to not impeding the process for others.? However, we must make this choice in our own interests at an appropriate pace.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>>   
>> Lori S. Schulman
>> Senior Director, Internet Policy
>> International Trademark Association (INTA)
>> +1-202-704-0408, Skype:? LSSchulman
>> lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>,
>> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
>> 1
> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.inta.org&c=E,
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>> Eo0DKjPSaeGnTkOwJHj4Qwtzm4onBtcOtFayA,,&typo=1
>>   
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf.helsingius at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:julf.helsingius at gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:33 AM
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> Subject: Fwd: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> 
>> Just to be sure, also sent from my gmail address.
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Board Seat 14 Nomination Procedures and Timeline
>> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2023 15:30:56 +0200
>> From: Johan Helsingius <julf at Julf.com <mailto:julf at Julf.com>>
>> To: Lori Schulman <lschulman at inta.org <mailto:lschulman at inta.org>>
>> CC: Cole, Mason (Perkins Coie) <MCole at perkinscoie.com 
>> <mailto:MCole at perkinscoie.com>>, Tim Smith <tim.smith at cipa.com 
>> <mailto:tim.smith at cipa.com>>, csg-excomm at icann.org
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org> <csg-excomm at icann.org 
> <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>,
>> Mohr, Susan <Susan.Mohr at lumen.com <mailto:Susan.Mohr at lumen.com>>, 
>> Brian King <brian.king at clarivate.com 
>> <mailto:brian.king at clarivate.com>>,
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com <mailto:philippe.fouquart at orange.com>>,
> NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>>,
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>> 
>> Hi Lori,
>> 
>> I hope you are fully recovered - long covid is a real hassle.
>> 
>> Just wanted to check on where we are with board seat 14, as the deadline is getting very close. From what I hear there hasn't been any contact with Rafik for setting up an interview or asking questions.
>> 
>> As you know, we still think Matthew is the best candidate, and considering how close we are to the deadline, I really think reappointing him for one more term is best option.
>> 
>>??????? Julf
>> 


From andrea.glandon at icann.org  Mon Apr 24 16:46:11 2023
From: andrea.glandon at icann.org (Andrea Glandon)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:46:11 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] Re: Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning
 Prioritization Group
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Thank you, Tomslin!

I will submit these names.

Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 07:27
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Hi Andrea,

We'll go with this:

Akinremi as primary and Amine Hacha as alternate.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Thu, 20 Apr 2023, 03:41 Andrea Glandon, <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>> wrote:
Hello again,

The planning team would like to have a response to this request by Friday, 21 April. They have also asked about the possibility of the FY24 participant continuing? For NCSG this is Bruna Martins dos Santos.

Thank you!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org<mailto:andrea.glandon at icann.org>>
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 10:28
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM<mailto:compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
Subject: Re: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Hello all,

I am checking back on this ask. They are looking for a primary and a secondary.

Thanks!
Kind Regards,
Andrea


From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
Date: Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 01:49
To: Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM<mailto:compsoftnet at GMAIL.COM>>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
Subject: [Ext] Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group

Thanks, Peter.

We needed to submit a name this week and like I mentioned, one person had volunteered and that is Amine Hacha as shared below. I am happy to add you to the list. Could you also comment about Amine's expression of interest?
Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 9 Apr 2023, 01:03 Akinremi Peter Taiwo, <compsoftnet at gmail.com<mailto:compsoftnet at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Tomslin,

Maybe you can do well to recirculate.

If no one is stepping forward, you can add my name to the list.

Regards.


On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 3:36 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I am getting to this late, but only Amin showed interest in this. If it is okay with you, we can forward his name as our rep.

Let me know what you think.
Warmly,
Tomslin

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Amin Hacha <aminhacha at gmail.com<mailto:aminhacha at gmail.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023, 08:30
Subject: Re: Call for Volunteers - FY25 Planning Prioritization Group
To: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>>
Cc: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>

Dear Tomslin,
I am interested to join and participate.
Let me know if more information is required from my side.
Regards,
Amine

On Sun, 5 Mar 2023, 14:16 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com<mailto:mesumbeslin at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,

ICANN Org is about to begin the FY25  Planning Prioritization Process. This process is often carried out by a Planning Prioritization Group which comprises members from ICANN stakeholder groups. In that regard, we are being asked to nominate one primary member and one
secondary member to participate in the prioritization process.

The NCSG is seeking two volunteers (a primary and secondary member) with knowledge of Board-approved implementation work such as PDP recommendations, Specific Review recommendations and knowledge of finance.

Please submit your expression of interest no later than 18th March 2023, indicating how you meet these requirements.

Warmly,
Tomslin
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From julf at Julf.com  Tue Apr 25 09:43:28 2023
From: julf at Julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 08:43:28 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Suggested amendments to ICANN's bylaws and NomCom
In-Reply-To: <CADirp9TZrS=RBaNEADegdGzm36-A7jOC3bUVVLGd7y4txyTRKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADirp9TZrS=RBaNEADegdGzm36-A7jOC3bUVVLGd7y4txyTRKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1afdfac7-0779-3846-2c61-d9ef6df6bbb0@Julf.com>

Heads up....

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Suggested amendments to ICANN's bylaws and NomCom
Date: 	Mon, 24 Apr 2023 22:19:50 +0300
From: 	Raoul Plommer <plommer at GMAIL.COM>
Reply-To: 	Raoul Plommer <plommer at GMAIL.COM>
To: 	NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU



Hi everyone,

It looks like the proposed amendment to ICANN's bylaws is going to take 
out the specific composition of the seven NomCom delegates and shift the 
decision on the number of representatives to the GNSO.

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-bylaws-amendments-10apr23-en.pdf 
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/proposed-bylaws-amendments-10apr23-en.pdf> 
see pg. 4.

The public comment is here: 
https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/bylaws-amendments-and-documents-to-implement-the-nomcom2-review-17-04-2023 
<https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/bylaws-amendments-and-documents-to-implement-the-nomcom2-review-17-04-2023>

It might be a good time to approach the CPH once again about this and 
agree to lessen the CSG's representation in the NCSG's favor? :-)

The public comment period closes on the 29th of May.

-Raoul


From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 07:36:00 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 23:36:00 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <902DC027-42C1-40DB-8B9C-ED2C84FB61DC@icann.org>
References: <902DC027-42C1-40DB-8B9C-ED2C84FB61DC@icann.org>
Message-ID: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>

Wow!

	Julf


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: 
NomCom Rebalancing
Date: 	Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
From: 	Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
To: 	julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
CC: 	tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, 
Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>



Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,

Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of 
Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.

Thank you and best regards,

Wendy Profit

Board Operations Senior Manager

ICANN
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Thu Apr 27 14:35:04 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Digital)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:35:04 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
Message-ID: <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>

I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
cheers Steph 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Wow!
> 
>    Julf
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
> 
> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
> 
> Thank you and best regards,
> 
> Wendy Profit
> 
> Board Operations Senior Manager
> 
> ICANN
> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 15:29:58 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 07:29:58 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
 <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>

Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
review specifically.

It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
discussion to our whole membership?

	Julf

On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
> cheers Steph
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Wow!
>>
>>     Julf
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>
>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>
>> Thank you and best regards,
>>
>> Wendy Profit
>>
>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>> ICANN
>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Thu Apr 27 19:38:22 2023
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Digital)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:38:22 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
References: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
Message-ID: <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>

yes we must. and soon, this is gardening season, I am busy.  if you will send a note to the list, I promise to have an outline of a google doc figured out by tomorrow afternoon.  Even sooner if my back goes out raking!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2023, at 08:30, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
> review specifically.
> 
> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
> discussion to our whole membership?
> 
>    Julf
> 
>> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
>> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
>> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
>> cheers Steph
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Wow!
>>> 
>>>    Julf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>> 
>>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>> 
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>> 
>>> Wendy Profit
>>> 
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>> 
>>> ICANN
>>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From julf at julf.com  Thu Apr 27 20:11:03 2023
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:11:03 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf)
 Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
 <0BC1B627-DF56-4865-A246-2D8E45D7D4B2@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <98fa6a38-7f3f-83b8-71fe-820d8b1ca149@julf.com>

Will do it tonight or tomorrow (right now in Helsinki at Finnish ISOC
chapter board meeting).

	Julf


On 27/04/2023 11:38, Digital wrote:
> yes we must. and soon, this is gardening season, I am busy.  if you will send a note to the list, I promise to have an outline of a google doc figured out by tomorrow afternoon.  Even sooner if my back goes out raking!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 08:30, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
>> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
>> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
>> review specifically.
>>
>> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
>> discussion to our whole membership?
>>
>>     Julf
>>
>>> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
>>> I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response, not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees play in that regard?
>>> May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were others.
>>> cheers Steph
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Wow!
>>>>
>>>>     Julf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
>>>> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
>>>> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
>>>> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>, Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>
>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>
>>>> ICANN
>>>> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From muyiwacaleb at gmail.com  Thu Apr 27 19:58:07 2023
From: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com (Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele)
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] Fwd: [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan
 (Julf) Helsingius RE: NomCom Rebalancing
In-Reply-To: <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
References: <d6b03467-013f-1ee3-8930-fe99117ab867@julf.com>
 <786DC082-3015-4F03-B05B-E8EDD1A12E87@digitaldiscretion.ca>
 <a68f6e81-80ef-760e-b6fd-0524e0cff5c7@julf.com>
Message-ID: <CAL_ZvK7J8pRRoKUeOqkAwaodrEe_Fkm90qBUKBe_OS2yM79_sQ@mail.gmail.com>

@ Stephanie, I'd be interested to work with you on this. We can also
schedule an hour meeting to discuss since we are in the same time zone. I
also know a couple of people interested in joining the write-up and the
approach we can adopt.

But first, let me do some basic breakdown using the GNSO and ALAC as
comparison vs the fact that the new bylaw continues to empower delegates as
voting members means that if ALAC has 5 votes as a single
constituency based on their RALOs, then, we are short playing ourselves if
we don't get 3 slots for NCUC, NPOC, and NCSG. However, that is not
realistic and will never be considered. what I think is realistic is to get
the 2 slots distributed between NCUC and NPOC but decided by NCSG which is
the mothership. The additional implication is that numbers-wise, we can be
out-voted if our interest does not align.

I also understand that when we send representatives there, they look at the
overall perspective of ICANN as an ORG. However, there are human elements
and biases when it comes to constituency reflection on the board and other
roles.

[image: image.png]

Visually from the image above, it shows that BC  and RSG has two slots.
What we can consider is approach through backchanneling for balancing from
this perspective.

On the other hand, as per the new bylaw change request, there is a blank
cheque here by the strike-through in the document. What I rather perceive
is that there is a big reset here that allows all seven GNSO folks to come
together and reconfigure. What the strike-through means is that we give you
guys 7 slots, go fix it amongst yourselves.
Quoting Julf from a different exchange which I totally agree with ."GNSO to
give NCSG 2
slots and the CSG to have 3 slots and CPH to have 2 slots"


[image: image.png]

The strikethrough in the image below technically means the NCUC does not
have the unique powers to only send someone to NomCom as decided by their
EC alone.
It empowers NCSG more this time. This then means NCSG will try to balance
both NCUC/ NPOC internally.
[image: image.png]




On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 7:30?AM Johan Helsingius via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Indeed. We need to be purely fact-based, as we are facing a lot of "the
> non-commercials just feel they are not important enough". We definitely
> need to hear both from our nomcom reps as well as those involved in the
> review specifically.
>
> It would be great if you could take the lead. Should we open the
> discussion to our whole membership?
>
>         Julf
>
> On 27/04/2023 06:35, Digital wrote:
> > I would say that this calls for a very thorough, fact-packed response,
> not just a shrill shriek about fairness.   It needs a qualitative review of
> past selections?.who exactly have the ALAC reps been picking over the past
> 20 Years ?  (I know I know, we cant get that data) .  How are end users
> actually protected in this community, snd what role should nomcom nominees
> play in that regard?
> > May I just add that ?at a point in time? is one of the most meaningless
> cliches in the english language.  this exercise may well be equally
> meaningless but we have to give it our best effort.  Happy to volunteer to
> draft, but we need to contact everyone who worked on the nomcom review for
> their input, I can think of Wolfgang and Brenden but doubtless there were
> others.
> > cheers Steph
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 27, 2023, at 00:37, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Wow!
> >>
> >>     Julf
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> >> Subject:    [CORRESPONDENCE] Tripti Sinha to Johan (Julf) Helsingius
> RE: NomCom Rebalancing
> >> Date:    Wed, 26 Apr 2023 19:34:24 +0000
> >> From:    Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
> >> To:    julf at julf.com <julf at julf.com>
> >> CC:    tripti.sinha at board.icann.org <tripti.sinha at board.icann.org>,
> Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Johan (Julf) Helsingius,
> >>
> >> Please find the attached letter from Tripti Sinha, Chair, ICANN Board
> of Directors regarding NomCom Rebalancing.
> >>
> >> Thank you and best regards,
> >>
> >> Wendy Profit
> >>
> >> Board Operations Senior Manager
> >>
> >> ICANN
> >> <2023-04-26 Tripti Sinha to Julf Helsingius re NomCom Rebalancing.pdf>
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