From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun May  1 00:29:59 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2022 07:29:59 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Guidance Process (GGP) on SubPro
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUy27A4xhOSJ--4DGvVDBK6YuB1nZHoHHkqzNfFFtQ4-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

If you recall, the council had a discussion in March and decided some
SubPro recommendations which needed additional work (like applicant
support) can be addressed now through a GGP process in parallel to the
SubPro ODP.
Staff has put together the attached proposed GGP initiation request which
will be shared this week on council mailing list but I wanted to share it
here for any feedback you may have which we can bring to council.

 Cheers,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
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From farell at benin2point0.org  Tue May  3 16:12:08 2022
From: farell at benin2point0.org (Farell FOLLY)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 15:12:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Internationalized Domain Names and string similarity
 reviews
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Dear Tomslin,

Well done. This is actually a very good summary.

@__f_f__

Best regards
____________________________________

Lt-Colonel Farell FOLLY, Ir
GNSO Councillor
linkedin.com/in/farellf  






> On 30 Apr 2022, at 08:58, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear NCSG,
> 
> The Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) EPDP team is currently discussing charter questions on how string similarity should be performed on variant labels of future TLD labels.
> 3 options described as levels were proposed as you will see on the attached slide deck and the team is to choose one of them. I'll try to summarize the description of the 3 levels below and indicate my preferred level.
> 
> Notes for those not familiar with the topic:
> In IDNs, a TLD has a primary label (P) and variants (v), which are labels in different languages and/or scripts of the primary label.
> Consider P1 as the applied-for primary gTLD 1 and P1 could have variant labels, say three for the sake of this discussion:
> ? P1v1: allocatable and requested for activation
> ? P1v2: allocatable but not requested
> ? P1v3: blocked
> 
> Now, the question is, during an application round, for string similarity reviews, should P with its variants P1v1, P1v2 & P1v3 be compared with 
> Level 1: Existing & applied for Primary labels + ONLY Requested Allocatable Variants
> Pros: (a) Limited pool of labels for comparison; (b) Simplest, fastest & least expensive to conduct the review
> Cons: An entity may potentially not be able to apply for its label variant (P1v2) in the future if another entity applies for a label or variant which causes it to be visually confusable to P1v2.
> Level 2: Existing & applied for Primary labels + ALL Allocatable Variants
> Pros: (a) Relatively manageable pool of labels for comparison, except for certain TLDs in Arabic; (b)  Allows entities to ensure that all of their allocatable strings and all other possible future similar strings would be blocked. This creates predictability because all entities have their original string and allocatable variants.
> Cons: (a) Certain TLDs in Arabic may have extremely large
> number of allocatable variants, therefore more expensive than Level 1; (b) 7 scripts in RZ-LGR-5 have allocatable variants
> Level 3: Existing & applied for Primary labels + ALL Variants (Blocked & Allocatable)
> Pros: Maximally conservative approach and may reduce the possibility of visual confusability among all valid labels in an application round.
> Cons: (a) Slowest, most complicated & expensive to conduct the review; (b) 21 scripts in RZ-LGR-5 have variants; (c) Certain TLDs in Arabic, Cyrillic & Latin may have extremely large number of blocked variants; (d) May reject strings due to conflict with blocked variants that will never be delegated.
> I previously gave my personal preference to the working group as being Level 2. However, the more I read through available information and listen to debate on this issue, the more I lean towards Level 1. Therefore, I would love to hear what NCSG members think so that the Policy Committee can agree on an official NCSG preference.
> I understand this is a bit of a complex topic, but if we don't get any responses by Thursday May 5, we'll assume no official NCSG preference.
> 
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/>
> <EPDP Team Meeting 30 Slides - E3 E1 E3a.pdf>_______________________________________________
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun May  8 13:25:53 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 20:25:53 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Draft New gTLD Subsequent Procedures GNSO
 Guidance Process (GGP) Initiation Request
In-Reply-To: <CDA93A51-5AFC-4CDD-AEA0-147336FBA7EB@icann.org>
References: <CDA93A51-5AFC-4CDD-AEA0-147336FBA7EB@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWww_KcxT4BUJa7TJOZ8yOhv9jUnGLRNVxROkuwGXPg2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

If you recall, the council had a discussion in March and decided some
SubPro recommendations which needed additional work (like applicant
support) can be addressed now through a GNSO Guidance Process (GGP) process
in parallel to the SubPro ODP.
Staff has put together the below draft GGP initiation request and I wanted
to share it with you for any feedback you may have which we can bring to
council.

You will notice that this is the first time ever the GGP is being initiated
as defined in ICANN bylaws, so your review is much appreciated.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Steve Chan via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 09:49
Subject: [council] Draft New gTLD Subsequent Procedures GNSO Guidance
Process (GGP) Initiation Request
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>


Dear Councilors,



There was an action item to prepare a draft GNSO Guidance Process (GGP)
Initiation Request for certain New gTLD Subsequent Procedures topics.
Attached, please find a draft that staff worked on with Jeff, in
consultation with Council leadership. Note that this would be the first GGP
ever and hence, here is a general point and some more specific ones to take
into account in reviewing the draft.



   - A GGP does not require a separate charter. Things like scope, working
   mechanism, and method of operation should all be contained in the
   initiation request.
   - The draft contains a concept of Group 1 versus Group 2 topics. Group 1
   is where the SubPro Final Report specifically called out *substantive*
   work that it envisioned would be completed during the Implementation Review
   Team phase. Group 2 will be topics that are identified by the ODP Team,
   where they are able to determine that additional guidance is needed to
   support the presumed eventual implementation. The specifics for Group 2 are
   currently to be determined, as we await input from the ODP Team.
   - You will see that in Section 3 of the document, relevant Outputs from
   the SubPro Final Report are reproduced, and that there are Tasks
   identified. These tasks are envisioned as the specific scope of work for
   the GGP. Per the previous bullet, the tasks for Group 2 are still TBD.
   - The suggested working model for this group is proposed as a
   representative steering group, which can do the work itself, but it can
   also delegate the work to sub-teams where it is evident that the work is
   best performed by those with specific expertise in a certain field.



If you have any questions or comments, please let us know. Council
leadership is likely to propose the GGP as a topic for the May Council
meeting.



Best,

Steve













*Steven Chan*

Senior Director, Policy Development Support & GNSO Relations



Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

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Los Angeles, CA 90094-2536



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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun May  8 13:53:45 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 20:53:45 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: SubPro Update - May 4,
 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
In-Reply-To: <BL3P221MB06634256D829C655D797B91FBEC39@BL3P221MB0663.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <BL3P221MB06634256D829C655D797B91FBEC39@BL3P221MB0663.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUAkVj9tJLUhF03qYLhvuP8N_TraX4QwMUauN108L2a_g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

See below the latest SubPro ODP update through the council liaison to the
ODP. Please note the concern surrounding the interdependency between SSAD
ODP and SubPro ODP and the delay that work on SSAD lite design by Org might
have on SubPro ODP delivery.

Your feedback before the council meeting on May 19 would be highly
appreciated.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:02
Subject: SubPro Update - May 4, 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
To: philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
Sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
(mesumbeslin at gmail.com) <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, SubPro ODP Mailman List <
subpro-odp at icann.org>


Dear GNSO Council Leadership,



Please find below my SubPro update from a call I had with the SubPro ODP
Team at the end of next week.  Can you please forward to the Council List?



Please note that we really need to discuss #1 below to make sure that the
Council understands and agrees with whether to move ahead with *SSAD Lite*
prior to completing the SubPro ODP.  Doing so will cause substantial delay
to the SubPro ODP according to ICANN Org.



Sincerely,



Jeff Neuman

GNSO Liaison to the SubPro ODP





+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



At the end of last week, the SubPro ODP Team had its monthly meeting with
the GNSO Council Liaison and we covered the following topics:



   1. *Impact of SSAD Lite Work:*  The Council is considering asking ICANN
   Org to do some work designing an SSAD Lite and presenting that to the
   community.  *The SubPro ODP Team has explained that doing so will cause
   at least 6 weeks delay in the SubPro ODP.  *Therefore, the Council needs
   to consider whether that work should be done and if so whether that should
   be done before or after the completion of the SubPro ODP.  *This is only
   for designing the SSAD Lite.  If the Council wants it built after the
   design, then that could be months more delay for the SubPro ODP.*



   1. *ICANN 74:*



   1. According to the ICANN ODP team, the SO/AC team that works on the
      agenda for the meeting rejected the proposal made by the SubPro
ODP team to
      have a policy meeting that focused primarily on SubPro.  We are still
      unclear if that means that there will be no ODP sessions at ICANN 74 or
      whether there may be 1.
      2. There will be a SubPro meeting during the Prep Week for ICANN 74.
      Because this will be near the mid point of the ODP, we will try to make
      this session interactive (as much as a prep week session will
be), but the
      goal is to not make it an update session where the entire time is spent
      updating the community on what has been done and whats left to do, but
      rather to focus on substantive issues (TBD).
      3. The SubPro ODP Team wants to let each of the SGs and Cs know that
      they are available to have sessions with those groups (as well as ACs)
      during ICANN 74 should any of them want to schedule that in
their sessions.



   1. *Question Set #3*:
      1. On April 11, 2022, Question Set #3 was sent to the Council for its
      comments.  Shortly thereafter I provided draft answers to the
questions and
      sent them out to the Council (found here
      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OtddNIUaAitHiJPE8pBTBcirTaDjyzPkcZY6BJmJxzg/edit?usp=sharing>).
      This is a reminder to please give  your input into the proposed responses.
      2. Although there has been a comment in the draft responses to the
      ICANN SubPro ODP Team (who has access to the Google Doc), I formally
      submitted the comment in the form of a clarifying question today (May 4
      th) about the meaning of the final question in Question Set #3.



   1. *Question Set #4*:  According to the ICANN ODP Team, we are going to
   shortly get ODP Set #4 which will be lengthy, but will hopefully be one of
   the last question sets as the ODP Is moving forward in its work.



   1. *Timeline to Completion*:  At this point there is nothing to believe
   that the work will not be completed on time, *BUT* to the extent that
   any further work needs to be done on SSAD Lite, this will push the ODP back
   by at least 6 weeks.  See #1.



If at all possible, I would like to add an agenda item on SubPro ODP for
the next Council meeting so that we can discuss the impact of the SSAD Lite
on the SubPro ODP and what the Council wants to prioritize.


Sincerely,



Jeff







Jeffrey J. Neuman

Founder & CEO

JJN Solutions, LLC

p: +1.202.549.5079

E: jeff at jjnsolutions.com

http://jjnsolutions.com
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun May  8 14:00:28 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 21:00:28 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Should we invite SubPro ODP team to our Policy Call?
In-Reply-To: <BL3P221MB06634256D829C655D797B91FBEC39@BL3P221MB0663.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <BL3P221MB06634256D829C655D797B91FBEC39@BL3P221MB0663.NAMP221.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeWNGiHC1eBt+nPVHzQC5YxnONpb2Ou+z0k=Zx9N=3mpLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi PC and subpro-listers,

In addition to my update email to the general mailing list, also note that
the SubPro ODP team has said that they are available to have sessions with
those groups (as well as ACs) during ICANN 74 should any of them want to
schedule that in their sessions.
Let me know please whether you think it would be a good idea to invite them
to our policy call during ICANN74.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:02
Subject: SubPro Update - May 4, 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
To: philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
Sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
(mesumbeslin at gmail.com) <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, SubPro ODP Mailman List <
subpro-odp at icann.org>


Dear GNSO Council Leadership,



Please find below my SubPro update from a call I had with the SubPro ODP
Team at the end of next week.  Can you please forward to the Council List?



Please note that we really need to discuss #1 below to make sure that the
Council understands and agrees with whether to move ahead with *SSAD Lite*
prior to completing the SubPro ODP.  Doing so will cause substantial delay
to the SubPro ODP according to ICANN Org.



Sincerely,



Jeff Neuman

GNSO Liaison to the SubPro ODP





+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



At the end of last week, the SubPro ODP Team had its monthly meeting with
the GNSO Council Liaison and we covered the following topics:



   1. *Impact of SSAD Lite Work:*  The Council is considering asking ICANN
   Org to do some work designing an SSAD Lite and presenting that to the
   community.  *The SubPro ODP Team has explained that doing so will cause
   at least 6 weeks delay in the SubPro ODP.  *Therefore, the Council needs
   to consider whether that work should be done and if so whether that should
   be done before or after the completion of the SubPro ODP.  *This is only
   for designing the SSAD Lite.  If the Council wants it built after the
   design, then that could be months more delay for the SubPro ODP.*



   1. *ICANN 74:*



   1. According to the ICANN ODP team, the SO/AC team that works on the
      agenda for the meeting rejected the proposal made by the SubPro
ODP team to
      have a policy meeting that focused primarily on SubPro.  We are still
      unclear if that means that there will be no ODP sessions at ICANN 74 or
      whether there may be 1.
      2. There will be a SubPro meeting during the Prep Week for ICANN 74.
      Because this will be near the mid point of the ODP, we will try to make
      this session interactive (as much as a prep week session will
be), but the
      goal is to not make it an update session where the entire time is spent
      updating the community on what has been done and whats left to do, but
      rather to focus on substantive issues (TBD).
      3. The SubPro ODP Team wants to let each of the SGs and Cs know that
      they are available to have sessions with those groups (as well as ACs)
      during ICANN 74 should any of them want to schedule that in
their sessions.



   1. *Question Set #3*:
      1. On April 11, 2022, Question Set #3 was sent to the Council for its
      comments.  Shortly thereafter I provided draft answers to the
questions and
      sent them out to the Council (found here
      <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OtddNIUaAitHiJPE8pBTBcirTaDjyzPkcZY6BJmJxzg/edit?usp=sharing>).
      This is a reminder to please give  your input into the proposed responses.
      2. Although there has been a comment in the draft responses to the
      ICANN SubPro ODP Team (who has access to the Google Doc), I formally
      submitted the comment in the form of a clarifying question today (May 4
      th) about the meaning of the final question in Question Set #3.



   1. *Question Set #4*:  According to the ICANN ODP Team, we are going to
   shortly get ODP Set #4 which will be lengthy, but will hopefully be one of
   the last question sets as the ODP Is moving forward in its work.



   1. *Timeline to Completion*:  At this point there is nothing to believe
   that the work will not be completed on time, *BUT* to the extent that
   any further work needs to be done on SSAD Lite, this will push the ODP back
   by at least 6 weeks.  See #1.



If at all possible, I would like to add an agenda item on SubPro ODP for
the next Council meeting so that we can discuss the impact of the SSAD Lite
on the SubPro ODP and what the Council wants to prioritize.


Sincerely,



Jeff







Jeffrey J. Neuman

Founder & CEO

JJN Solutions, LLC

p: +1.202.549.5079

E: jeff at jjnsolutions.com

http://jjnsolutions.com
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Sun May  8 16:28:17 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 15:28:17 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Should we invite SubPro ODP team to our Policy Call?
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Message-ID: <CADAEEV1bqAKqnwJ_VnMKYaX4pOj2UB9iyW+Yv2x3=813BOpm+A@mail.gmail.com>

Heya, Tomslin,

I guess we need to wait for other ppls opinion on this issue but I believe
it could be a good and informative opportunity for the NCSG and those of us
involved in subpro discussions.

Having said that, if we decide on hosting such discussion I believe it
would fit better on the Membership call instead. I believe we have received
many parts of the community on our membership meetings and by doing so, it
allows the PC to further discuss it on a more private environment. But
these are just my thoughts.

Best,
Bruna

On Sun 8. May 2022 at 13:00, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi PC and subpro-listers,
>
> In addition to my update email to the general mailing list, also note that
> the SubPro ODP team has said that they are available to have sessions with
> those groups (as well as ACs) during ICANN 74 should any of them want to
> schedule that in their sessions.
> Let me know please whether you think it would be a good idea to invite
> them to our policy call during ICANN74.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:02
> Subject: SubPro Update - May 4, 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
> To: philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
> Sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>, Tomslin
> Samme-Nlar (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, SubPro ODP Mailman List <
> subpro-odp at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear GNSO Council Leadership,
>
>
>
> Please find below my SubPro update from a call I had with the SubPro ODP
> Team at the end of next week.  Can you please forward to the Council List?
>
>
>
> Please note that we really need to discuss #1 below to make sure that the
> Council understands and agrees with whether to move ahead with *SSAD Lite*
> prior to completing the SubPro ODP.  Doing so will cause substantial delay
> to the SubPro ODP according to ICANN Org.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Jeff Neuman
>
> GNSO Liaison to the SubPro ODP
>
>
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> At the end of last week, the SubPro ODP Team had its monthly meeting with
> the GNSO Council Liaison and we covered the following topics:
>
>
>
>    1. *Impact of SSAD Lite Work:*  The Council is considering asking
>    ICANN Org to do some work designing an SSAD Lite and presenting that to the
>    community.  *The SubPro ODP Team has explained that doing so will
>    cause at least 6 weeks delay in the SubPro ODP.  *Therefore, the
>    Council needs to consider whether that work should be done and if so
>    whether that should be done before or after the completion of the SubPro
>    ODP.  *This is only for designing the SSAD Lite.  If the Council wants
>    it built after the design, then that could be months more delay for the
>    SubPro ODP.*
>
>
>
>    1. *ICANN 74:*
>
>
>
>    1. According to the ICANN ODP team, the SO/AC team that works on the
>       agenda for the meeting rejected the proposal made by the SubPro ODP team to
>       have a policy meeting that focused primarily on SubPro.  We are still
>       unclear if that means that there will be no ODP sessions at ICANN 74 or
>       whether there may be 1.
>       2. There will be a SubPro meeting during the Prep Week for ICANN
>       74.  Because this will be near the mid point of the ODP, we will try to
>       make this session interactive (as much as a prep week session will be), but
>       the goal is to not make it an update session where the entire time is spent
>       updating the community on what has been done and whats left to do, but
>       rather to focus on substantive issues (TBD).
>       3. The SubPro ODP Team wants to let each of the SGs and Cs know
>       that they are available to have sessions with those groups (as well as ACs)
>       during ICANN 74 should any of them want to schedule that in their sessions.
>
>
>
>    1. *Question Set #3*:
>       1. On April 11, 2022, Question Set #3 was sent to the Council for
>       its comments.  Shortly thereafter I provided draft answers to the questions
>       and sent them out to the Council (found here
>       <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OtddNIUaAitHiJPE8pBTBcirTaDjyzPkcZY6BJmJxzg/edit?usp=sharing>).
>       This is a reminder to please give  your input into the proposed responses.
>       2. Although there has been a comment in the draft responses to the
>       ICANN SubPro ODP Team (who has access to the Google Doc), I formally
>       submitted the comment in the form of a clarifying question today (May 4
>       th) about the meaning of the final question in Question Set #3.
>
>
>
>    1. *Question Set #4*:  According to the ICANN ODP Team, we are going
>    to shortly get ODP Set #4 which will be lengthy, but will hopefully be one
>    of the last question sets as the ODP Is moving forward in its work.
>
>
>
>    1. *Timeline to Completion*:  At this point there is nothing to
>    believe that the work will not be completed on time, *BUT* to the
>    extent that any further work needs to be done on SSAD Lite, this will push
>    the ODP back by at least 6 weeks.  See #1.
>
>
>
> If at all possible, I would like to add an agenda item on SubPro ODP for
> the next Council meeting so that we can discuss the impact of the SSAD Lite
> on the SubPro ODP and what the Council wants to prioritize.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>
> Founder & CEO
>
> JJN Solutions, LLC
>
> p: +1.202.549.5079
>
> E: jeff at jjnsolutions.com
>
> http://jjnsolutions.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun May  8 23:34:22 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 06:34:22 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Should we invite SubPro ODP team to our Policy Call?
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Thanks Bruna.  Good suggestion to take it to the members call, if others
agree.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Sun, 8 May 2022, 23:28 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Heya, Tomslin,
>
> I guess we need to wait for other ppls opinion on this issue but I believe
> it could be a good and informative opportunity for the NCSG and those of us
> involved in subpro discussions.
>
> Having said that, if we decide on hosting such discussion I believe it
> would fit better on the Membership call instead. I believe we have received
> many parts of the community on our membership meetings and by doing so, it
> allows the PC to further discuss it on a more private environment. But
> these are just my thoughts.
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
> On Sun 8. May 2022 at 13:00, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi PC and subpro-listers,
>>
>> In addition to my update email to the general mailing list, also note
>> that the SubPro ODP team has said that they are available to have sessions
>> with those groups (as well as ACs) during ICANN 74 should any of them want
>> to schedule that in their sessions.
>> Let me know please whether you think it would be a good idea to invite
>> them to our policy call during ICANN74.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:02
>> Subject: SubPro Update - May 4, 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
>> To: philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
>> Sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>, Tomslin
>> Samme-Nlar (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, SubPro ODP Mailman List <
>> subpro-odp at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear GNSO Council Leadership,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find below my SubPro update from a call I had with the SubPro ODP
>> Team at the end of next week.  Can you please forward to the Council List?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that we really need to discuss #1 below to make sure that the
>> Council understands and agrees with whether to move ahead with *SSAD
>> Lite* prior to completing the SubPro ODP.  Doing so will cause
>> substantial delay to the SubPro ODP according to ICANN Org.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff Neuman
>>
>> GNSO Liaison to the SubPro ODP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>> At the end of last week, the SubPro ODP Team had its monthly meeting with
>> the GNSO Council Liaison and we covered the following topics:
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *Impact of SSAD Lite Work:*  The Council is considering asking
>>    ICANN Org to do some work designing an SSAD Lite and presenting that to the
>>    community.  *The SubPro ODP Team has explained that doing so will
>>    cause at least 6 weeks delay in the SubPro ODP.  *Therefore, the
>>    Council needs to consider whether that work should be done and if so
>>    whether that should be done before or after the completion of the SubPro
>>    ODP.  *This is only for designing the SSAD Lite.  If the Council
>>    wants it built after the design, then that could be months more delay for
>>    the SubPro ODP.*
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *ICANN 74:*
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. According to the ICANN ODP team, the SO/AC team that works on the
>>       agenda for the meeting rejected the proposal made by the SubPro ODP team to
>>       have a policy meeting that focused primarily on SubPro.  We are still
>>       unclear if that means that there will be no ODP sessions at ICANN 74 or
>>       whether there may be 1.
>>       2. There will be a SubPro meeting during the Prep Week for ICANN
>>       74.  Because this will be near the mid point of the ODP, we will try to
>>       make this session interactive (as much as a prep week session will be), but
>>       the goal is to not make it an update session where the entire time is spent
>>       updating the community on what has been done and whats left to do, but
>>       rather to focus on substantive issues (TBD).
>>       3. The SubPro ODP Team wants to let each of the SGs and Cs know
>>       that they are available to have sessions with those groups (as well as ACs)
>>       during ICANN 74 should any of them want to schedule that in their sessions.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *Question Set #3*:
>>       1. On April 11, 2022, Question Set #3 was sent to the Council for
>>       its comments.  Shortly thereafter I provided draft answers to the questions
>>       and sent them out to the Council (found here
>>       <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OtddNIUaAitHiJPE8pBTBcirTaDjyzPkcZY6BJmJxzg/edit?usp=sharing>).
>>       This is a reminder to please give  your input into the proposed responses.
>>       2. Although there has been a comment in the draft responses to the
>>       ICANN SubPro ODP Team (who has access to the Google Doc), I formally
>>       submitted the comment in the form of a clarifying question today (May 4
>>       th) about the meaning of the final question in Question Set #3.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *Question Set #4*:  According to the ICANN ODP Team, we are going
>>    to shortly get ODP Set #4 which will be lengthy, but will hopefully be one
>>    of the last question sets as the ODP Is moving forward in its work.
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *Timeline to Completion*:  At this point there is nothing to
>>    believe that the work will not be completed on time, *BUT* to the
>>    extent that any further work needs to be done on SSAD Lite, this will push
>>    the ODP back by at least 6 weeks.  See #1.
>>
>>
>>
>> If at all possible, I would like to add an agenda item on SubPro ODP for
>> the next Council meeting so that we can discuss the impact of the SSAD Lite
>> on the SubPro ODP and what the Council wants to prioritize.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>>
>> Founder & CEO
>>
>> JJN Solutions, LLC
>>
>> p: +1.202.549.5079
>>
>> E: jeff at jjnsolutions.com
>>
>> http://jjnsolutions.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Mon May  9 00:23:36 2022
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 21:23:36 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Should we invite SubPro ODP team to our Policy Call?
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Good suggestion Bruna. I also agree to take it to members' calls.
Regards,




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On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 8:34 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Bruna.  Good suggestion to take it to the members call, if others
> agree.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Sun, 8 May 2022, 23:28 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Heya, Tomslin,
>>
>> I guess we need to wait for other ppls opinion on this issue but I
>> believe it could be a good and informative opportunity for the NCSG and
>> those of us involved in subpro discussions.
>>
>> Having said that, if we decide on hosting such discussion I believe it
>> would fit better on the Membership call instead. I believe we have received
>> many parts of the community on our membership meetings and by doing so, it
>> allows the PC to further discuss it on a more private environment. But
>> these are just my thoughts.
>>
>> Best,
>> Bruna
>>
>> On Sun 8. May 2022 at 13:00, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi PC and subpro-listers,
>>>
>>> In addition to my update email to the general mailing list, also note
>>> that the SubPro ODP team has said that they are available to have sessions
>>> with those groups (as well as ACs) during ICANN 74 should any of them want
>>> to schedule that in their sessions.
>>> Let me know please whether you think it would be a good idea to invite
>>> them to our policy call during ICANN74.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Jeff Neuman <jeff at jjnsolutions.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2022 at 02:02
>>> Subject: SubPro Update - May 4, 2022 (SSAD LITE WILL DELAY SUBPRO ODP)
>>> To: philippe.fouquart at orange.com <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
>>> Sebastien at registry.godaddy <sebastien at registry.godaddy>, Tomslin
>>> Samme-Nlar (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>, SubPro ODP Mailman List <
>>> subpro-odp at icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear GNSO Council Leadership,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please find below my SubPro update from a call I had with the SubPro ODP
>>> Team at the end of next week.  Can you please forward to the Council List?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note that we really need to discuss #1 below to make sure that
>>> the Council understands and agrees with whether to move ahead with *SSAD
>>> Lite* prior to completing the SubPro ODP.  Doing so will cause
>>> substantial delay to the SubPro ODP according to ICANN Org.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Neuman
>>>
>>> GNSO Liaison to the SubPro ODP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At the end of last week, the SubPro ODP Team had its monthly meeting
>>> with the GNSO Council Liaison and we covered the following topics:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *Impact of SSAD Lite Work:*  The Council is considering asking
>>>    ICANN Org to do some work designing an SSAD Lite and presenting that to the
>>>    community.  *The SubPro ODP Team has explained that doing so will
>>>    cause at least 6 weeks delay in the SubPro ODP.  *Therefore, the
>>>    Council needs to consider whether that work should be done and if so
>>>    whether that should be done before or after the completion of the SubPro
>>>    ODP.  *This is only for designing the SSAD Lite.  If the Council
>>>    wants it built after the design, then that could be months more delay for
>>>    the SubPro ODP.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *ICANN 74:*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. According to the ICANN ODP team, the SO/AC team that works on the
>>>       agenda for the meeting rejected the proposal made by the SubPro ODP team to
>>>       have a policy meeting that focused primarily on SubPro.  We are still
>>>       unclear if that means that there will be no ODP sessions at ICANN 74 or
>>>       whether there may be 1.
>>>       2. There will be a SubPro meeting during the Prep Week for ICANN
>>>       74.  Because this will be near the mid point of the ODP, we will try to
>>>       make this session interactive (as much as a prep week session will be), but
>>>       the goal is to not make it an update session where the entire time is spent
>>>       updating the community on what has been done and whats left to do, but
>>>       rather to focus on substantive issues (TBD).
>>>       3. The SubPro ODP Team wants to let each of the SGs and Cs know
>>>       that they are available to have sessions with those groups (as well as ACs)
>>>       during ICANN 74 should any of them want to schedule that in their sessions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *Question Set #3*:
>>>       1. On April 11, 2022, Question Set #3 was sent to the Council for
>>>       its comments.  Shortly thereafter I provided draft answers to the questions
>>>       and sent them out to the Council (found here
>>>       <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OtddNIUaAitHiJPE8pBTBcirTaDjyzPkcZY6BJmJxzg/edit?usp=sharing>).
>>>       This is a reminder to please give  your input into the proposed responses.
>>>       2. Although there has been a comment in the draft responses to
>>>       the ICANN SubPro ODP Team (who has access to the Google Doc), I formally
>>>       submitted the comment in the form of a clarifying question today (May 4
>>>       th) about the meaning of the final question in Question Set #3.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *Question Set #4*:  According to the ICANN ODP Team, we are going
>>>    to shortly get ODP Set #4 which will be lengthy, but will hopefully be one
>>>    of the last question sets as the ODP Is moving forward in its work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *Timeline to Completion*:  At this point there is nothing to
>>>    believe that the work will not be completed on time, *BUT* to the
>>>    extent that any further work needs to be done on SSAD Lite, this will push
>>>    the ODP back by at least 6 weeks.  See #1.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If at all possible, I would like to add an agenda item on SubPro ODP for
>>> the next Council meeting so that we can discuss the impact of the SSAD Lite
>>> on the SubPro ODP and what the Council wants to prioritize.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman
>>>
>>> Founder & CEO
>>>
>>> JJN Solutions, LLC
>>>
>>> p: +1.202.549.5079
>>>
>>> E: jeff at jjnsolutions.com
>>>
>>> http://jjnsolutions.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Wed May 11 03:10:00 2022
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 00:10:00 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Update and ask for feedback re.
 scenarios	for EDPB
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 <CADgYC4XeHU61chqJxWuEgNWbUehB77O78JR+0Jfs96wsMo4Hnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <4d81abd7849f4c30bf8e2d59393fe33e@hwglaw.com>
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Whilst heaving a big sigh, i am duty bound to say that i need to respond to this proposal in a rather fulsome manner.  It touches on the fundamental rights guaranteed in the EU Charter, the issue of delegation of authority on criminal matters, our lack of real data to support accuracy quality controls ( as required in the 2013 RAA, as modified by the temp spec), and a few other matters like how and when you should pester the EDPB.  I hope to get you a draft before our next pc meeting, but my grandchildren are coming for a long awaited visit this weekend so it might be last minute.
Note the emphatic no from Becky.  Volker provides more detail as to why, but this non-lawyer feels the need to explain WHY this is such a bad idea.
Cheers
Steph Perrin

Sent from my iPhone

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From: Becky Burr via GNSO-Accuracy-ST <gnso-accuracy-st at icann.org>
Date: May 10, 2022 at 09:50:12 EDT
To: Volker Greimann <volker.greimann at centralnic.com>, Brian Gutterman <brian.gutterman at icann.org>
Cc: gnso-accuracy-st at icann.org, Elena Plexida <elena.plexida at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Update and ask for feedback re. scenarios for EDPB
Reply-To: Becky Burr <BBurr at hwglaw.com>

?


IMHO (and not speaking for the Board) we should not ask the EDPB to consider scenarios that members of the Scoping team, SOs, or ACs believe will not produce reliable information about the nature and volume of inaccuracy that may exist in the data set.


J. Beckwith Burr

HARRIS, WILTSHIRE & GRANNIS LLP

1919 M Street NW/8th Floor

Washington DC 20036

202.730.1316 (P) 202.352.6367 (M)


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From: GNSO-Accuracy-ST <gnso-accuracy-st-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Volker Greimann <volker.greimann at centralnic.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2022 2:47:48 AM
To: Brian Gutterman
Cc: gnso-accuracy-st at icann.org; Elena Plexida
Subject: Re: [GNSO-Accuracy-ST] Update and ask for feedback re. scenarios for EDPB

Hi Brian,

I think you may be overextending the reach of section 3.4.3 a bit there. This section clearly points out:
"Registrar shall deliver copies of such data, information and records to ICANN in respect to limited transactions or circumstances that may be the subject of a compliance-related inquiry"
So in other words, this section does not apply if it is not a compliance matter. No compliance case = no data under 3.4.3

Also note the further restrictions contained in the section that essentially note that registrars may supply redacted data if they believe data protection laws prevent them from disclosing unredacted data:
"In the event Registrar believes that the provision of any such data, information or records to ICANN would violate applicable law or any legal proceedings, ICANN and Registrar agree to discuss in good faith whether appropriate limitations, protections, or alternative solutions can be identified to allow the production of such data, information or records in complete or redacted form, as appropriate."

Finally, note that ICANN is prohibited from disclosing any parts of the data obtained in this way unless required to do so, essentially rendering any data obtained useless for the purposes of this group:
"ICANN shall not disclose the content of such data, information or records except as expressly required by applicable law, any legal proceeding or Specification or Policy."

In other words, 3.4.3 is a specifically tailored tool designed exclusively for ICANN compliance to investigate compliance matters and is not suited for the purpose of measuring accuracy overall.

Best,
--
Volker A. Greimann
General Counsel and Policy Manager
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On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 7:49 PM Brian Gutterman <brian.gutterman at icann.org<mailto:brian.gutterman at icann.org>> wrote:

Dear Colleagues of the Accuracy Scoping Team,


As you are aware, at ICANN73 the ICANN Board requested that ICANN org<https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-accuracy-st/2022-March/000336.html> prepare a number of specific scenarios for which it will consult the European Data Protection Board on whether or not ICANN org has a legitimate purpose that is proportionate, i.e. not outweighed by the privacy rights of the individual data subjects, to request that contracted parties provide access to registration data records. In follow-up to those discussions, my ICANN org colleagues have provided this update and request for feedback for the Accuracy Scoping Team.


ICANN org?s approach to this exercise is set out in greater detail below. Understanding that the team has identified additional input from regulators as potentially useful for its work, we request your feedback, to ensure that this exercise is seeking out information that would further your efforts.


As we?ve seen with previous engagements, we want to caution that feedback or guidance received from regulators, if any, would not be immediate. While ICANN org will pursue this as expeditiously as practicable, we would encourage the team to keep the uncertain timeline for a response in mind.


If you could please provide your feedback by 23 May that would be appreciated.


Current Status

ICANN org will be reaching out to the European Commission for help with introducing the issue of registration data accuracy and, in particular, steps that can be taken within the boundaries of the GDPR, to the level of the European Data Protection Board. The European Commission previously committed to facilitate exchanges, whereas the Belgian DPA told us our issues were better addressed at the EDPB level. We are hopeful that the Commission will help.


ICANN org has also considered steps that could be taken now, under the current agreements and policies, with regard to requesting registration data from registrars for the purposes of assessing accuracy. The Registrar Accreditation Agreement, at Section 3.3.4, states (emphasis added): ?During the Term of this Agreement and for two (2) years thereafter, Registrar shall make the data, information and records specified in this Section 3.4 available for inspection and copying by ICANN upon reasonable notice. In addition, upon reasonable notice and request from ICANN, Registrar shall deliver copies of such data, information and records to ICANN in respect to limited transactions or circumstances that may be the subject of a compliance-related inquiry; provided, however, that such obligation shall not apply to requests for copies of the Registrar's entire database or transaction history.? Thus, while ICANN org can request targeted records from registrars, a registrar is not required to provide ICANN org with access to its entire registration database, irrespective of whether or not this would be acceptable under the GDPR.


As a result, ICANN org believes that any efforts in furtherance of registration data accuracy at this stage would involve evaluating (Scenario 1) publicly-available registration data (the benefits of which may be limited, given that much of the registrant contact data is now redacted), or (Scenario 2) some subset of full registration data provided by registrars. Under this Scenario 2, ICANN org would need to identify the appropriate mechanism for choosing a sample of registration data to analyze. To ensure this sampling falls within the RAA?s restrictions concerning a registrar?s provision of records to ICANN org, a sample should be related to ?limited transactions or circumstances that may be the subject of a compliance-related inquiry.? One approach would be to identify a specific subset of registration data that may be of particular interest or concern. If the team has specific views on this aspect of the scenario, your feedback is welcomed.


Alternatively, as explained by Contractual Compliance?s presentation to your team, ICANN org could (Scenario 3) conduct an audit concerning registrars? compliance with registration data validation and verification requirements in the RAA?s WHOIS Accuracy Program Specification, or (Scenario 4) conduct a voluntary survey of registrars concerning registration data accuracy. A survey, as discussed by the scoping team, could request that registrars provide information about their registration data validation and verification processes, including information about how many domains have registration data that is validated and verified, how many domains have data that is currently in the verification process, how many domains are suspended due to non-verification, and for a rate of email bounces for WHOIS Data Reminder Policy Notices sent out during a set time period.


Notably, these scenarios 3 and 4 would assess registrars? compliance with procedures designed to ensure the contactability of registrants, but compliance with these procedures does not necessarily guarantee that all the data is ?accurate.?


To summarize, the scenarios ICANN org is exploring at this stage are:

Scenario 1: Analyze publicly available registration data for syntactical and operational accuracy (as was done previously in the WHOIS ARS program).

Scenario 2: Analyze a sample of full registration data provided by registrars to ICANN org.

Scenario 3: Proactive Contractual Compliance audit of registrar compliance with registration data validation and verification requirements.

Scenario 4: Registrar registration data accuracy survey (voluntary).


In parallel to this initial outreach to the European Commission, ICANN org will assess the data protection implications of the scenarios identified above, with the aim of submitting data protection-related questions concerning any of the above scenarios to regulators for guidance.


Feedback received from the accuracy scoping team will help to inform ICANN?s outreach concerning the data protection implications of further steps ICANN org could take in furtherance of registration data accuracy, so that we can better understand the information the accuracy scoping team would find beneficial for its work. If you believe other scenarios should be considered or identify other issues that may be relevant to this analysis, please let us know.

We are requesting that you please provide your feedback no later than 23 May so that we have it available before we complete our initial analysis.

Best,
Brian

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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Thu May 12 23:06:03 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 06:06:03 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] May NCSG PC call
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUfVV_VFbkfST1GmCwD7TSLN+oiGexj_-bc=9DvRNkprA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andrea,

Could you please send a reminder of the PC call to the membership list
please?

The agenda is the following:

1. Welcome & Introduction

2. GNSO Council Agenda walk-through

3. Discussion on Closed Generics

4. Administrative updates & any other business


Warmly,
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Thu May 12 23:22:26 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:22:26 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Ext] May NCSG PC call
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I will!  Thank you, Tomslin.

Best,
Brenda
From: Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:06 PM
To: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] May NCSG PC call

Hi Andrea,

Could you please send a reminder of the PC call to the membership list please?

The agenda is the following:

1. Welcome & Introduction

2. GNSO Council Agenda walk-through

3. Discussion on Closed Generics

4. Administrative updates & any other business


Warmly,
Tomslin
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Thu May 12 23:26:31 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:26:31 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC
Message-ID: <853E35E1-1DC9-473D-AD99-1589A2B4DF31@icann.org>

Good day all,

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC.  Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220516T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.  The join details are attached and noted below for your convenience.  Thank you.

The agenda is the following:
1. Welcome & Introduction
2. GNSO Council Agenda walk-through
3. Discussion on Closed Generics
4. Administrative updates & any other business

Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Thu May 12 23:28:20 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:28:20 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC
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Message-ID: <64529977-1066-4EA4-A39B-257E2F64110E@icann.org>

.ics attached this time.

From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:26 PM
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG List <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Cc: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC

Good day all,

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC.  Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220516T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.  The join details are attached and noted below for your convenience.  Thank you.

The agenda is the following:
1. Welcome & Introduction
2. GNSO Council Agenda walk-through
3. Discussion on Closed Generics
4. Administrative updates & any other business

Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
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Kind regards,
Andrea and Brenda

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From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2022 20:32:08 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC
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Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220516T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.

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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Mon May 16 14:25:53 2022
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:25:53 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 5-minute REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC
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Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220516T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.

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      3. Discussion on Closed Generics
      4. Administrative updates &amp; any other business

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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Mon May 16 14:28:05 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 11:28:05 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 3-minute REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30
 UTC
Message-ID: <25D6FC1B-8A48-40BE-8430-43B8D40E66BF@icann.org>

Hi all,

Kind reminder of NCSG Monthly policy call starting in less than 5 minutes.  Join details are noted below.  Thank you!

Best,
Andrea & Brenda

From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:28 PM
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG List <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Cc: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC

.ics attached this time.

From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 3:26 PM
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG List <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Cc: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Subject: REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 16 May at 11:30 UTC

Good day all,

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC.  Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220516T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.  The join details are attached and noted below for your convenience.  Thank you.

The agenda is the following:
1. Welcome & Introduction
2. GNSO Council Agenda walk-through
3. Discussion on Closed Generics
4. Administrative updates & any other business

Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Mon May 16 22:58:57 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:58:57 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay, chat - 16 May 2022
Message-ID: <1B560D15-7E97-4607-9F1C-D73795F0DD66@icann.org>

Dear all,

Please find attendees, replay, and chat details for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. The transcript will be sent upon completion.  Thank you!

Kind regards,
Andrea and Brenda


ATTENDEES:   Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bolutife Adisa, Bruna Martins dos Santos, Bukola Oronti, Cindyneia Cantanhede, David Morar, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito, Farell Folly, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Kathy Kleiman, Manju Chen, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Raymond Mamattah, Razoana Moslam, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Shavkat Sabiro, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Vernatius Ezeama | ICANN org:  Andrea Glandon, Brenda Brewer, Carlos Reyes

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From manju at nii.org.tw  Tue May 17 05:00:41 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:00:41 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay,
 chat - 16 May 2022
In-Reply-To: <1B560D15-7E97-4607-9F1C-D73795F0DD66@icann.org>
References: <1B560D15-7E97-4607-9F1C-D73795F0DD66@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAMeQZi0e_mDyh5ZKNg0z1VNZV+SHV1nnR+CuuufQ8-xpw3S6Dg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As promised in the policy call yesterday, I'm circulating the tasks the
Council small team on closed generics is working on:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VtFiY-rLgP3r3uCaufgRA69DVoSYIBIyP_cLIB9PDdI/edit#

We have been through the first 2 tasks but nothing is set in stone yet.
We will start working on 'task 3', which is to 'provide guidance on the
conditions, parameters, and methodology for the dialogue, which will be
subject to mutual agreement with the GAC'.

There are 3 questions I'd like to get input from our NCSG members:

   - how do you think of the criteria for the facilitator, anything to add
   or delete?
   - what do we think would be the best composition for this future GNSO
   group that is going to talk with GAC?
   - Do we want to have some side discussions with the GAC and ALAC on this
   issue? since our position is kind of aligned, it might be nice to
   collaborate.


Will highly appreciate any feedback!

Best,
Manju



On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 3:59 AM Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Please find attendees, replay, and chat details for
> the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. The
> transcript will be sent upon completion.  Thank you!
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrea and Brenda
>
>
>
>
>
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Tue May 17 15:21:42 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:21:42 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
Message-ID: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

Hope you are well!

I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and the
GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.

We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I think
we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in The Hague!
Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for discussion
with both groups.

Best,
-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Tue May 17 15:39:46 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:39:46 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
In-Reply-To: <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
Message-ID: <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these
meetings as an opportunity to establish a conversation between us and the
GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to reset
the dialogue.

So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick
before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed generics
is the main topic, right ?

Best,
B

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:

> Dear Bruna,
>
> As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
> definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
> (or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
> or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
> representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
> something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
> they might not represent the GAC overall view.
>
> We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
> them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
> There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
> happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
> back at GAC and the board.
>
>         Julf
>
> On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Hope you are well!
> >
> > I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and
> > the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
> >
> > We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I
> > think we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in The
> > Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for
> > discussion with both groups.
> >
> > Best,
> > --
> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> > /*
> >
> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
> > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
> >
> > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
> > Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
> >
> > Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
> >
> > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> > bruna.martinsantos
> > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>
>

-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From julf at julf.com  Tue May 17 15:35:44 2022
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:35:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>

Dear Bruna,

As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
(or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
they might not represent the GAC overall view.

We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
back at GAC and the board.

	Julf

On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> Hope you are well!
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and 
> the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
> 
> We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I 
> think we should take some advantage from?the onsite interactions in The 
> Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for 
> discussion with both groups.
> 
> Best,
> -- 
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> /*
> 
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander 
> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
> 
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum 
> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
> 
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN 
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
> 
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype: 
> bruna.martinsantos
> _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu 
> <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>



From julf at julf.com  Tue May 17 15:47:57 2022
From: julf at julf.com (Johan Helsingius)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:47:57 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
 <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5394ce8-74b3-eb4f-bf0c-b3b2048c9cbc@julf.com>

Yes, a conversation is always useful, and a rough agenda is a
necessity for GAC to be able to decide who should attend.

	Julf

On 17-05-2022 14:39, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these 
> meetings as an opportunity to establish?a conversation between us and 
> the GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to 
> reset the dialogue.
> 
> So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick 
> before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed 
> generics is the main topic, right ?
> 
> Best,
> B
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
> <mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Dear Bruna,
> 
>     As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
>     definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
>     (or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
>     or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
>     representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
>     something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
>     they might not represent the GAC overall view.
> 
>     We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
>     them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
>     There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
>     happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
>     back at GAC and the board.
> 
>      ? ? ? ? Julf
> 
>     On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>      > Dear all,
>      >
>      > Hope you are well!
>      >
>      > I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the
>     CSG and
>      > the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
>      >
>      > We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I
>      > think we should take some advantage from?the onsite interactions
>     in The
>      > Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for
>      > discussion with both groups.
>      >
>      > Best,
>      > --
>      > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>      > /*
>      >
>      > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) |
>     Alexander
>      > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/
>     <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>>
>      >
>      > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>      > Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en
>     <https://wzb.eu/en>>
>      >
>      > Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede
>     <https://direitosnarede.org.br/ <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>>
>      > Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>      > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg
>     <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>>
>      > Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus
>     <https://igcaucus.org/ <https://igcaucus.org/>>
>      >
>      > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins
>     <https://twitter.com/boomartins>>?// Skype:
>      > bruna.martinsantos
>      > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
>     <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>
>      > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
>     <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>>_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>     <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>      > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> /*
> 
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander 
> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
> 
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum 
> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
> 
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN 
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
> 
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype: 
> bruna.martinsantos
> _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu 
> <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>



From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue May 17 15:48:27 2022
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:48:27 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
 <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvBG0_5Gxb5tuq=LrHpCurHMrCy_AKH1swgSxr7-oCHp6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Yes Bruna, these dialogues are going to be very useful even if it's just
reminding GAC of our existence. A few months ago during a meeting with the
Board, Manal also expressed interest to have an informational meeting. We
tell them about NCSG and our plans, ask them about their letter to the
Board about closed generics, give them our opinion and generally have a
chat. We have done these meetings before in 2017 and 2018 and GAC members
found it useful. It even sparked some interesting conversation. Let's
rekindle that spark.





Farzaneh


On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:40 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these
> meetings as an opportunity to establish a conversation between us and the
> GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to reset
> the dialogue.
>
> So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick
> before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed generics
> is the main topic, right ?
>
> Best,
> B
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Bruna,
>>
>> As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
>> definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
>> (or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
>> or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
>> representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
>> something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
>> they might not represent the GAC overall view.
>>
>> We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
>> them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
>> There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
>> happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
>> back at GAC and the board.
>>
>>         Julf
>>
>> On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Hope you are well!
>> >
>> > I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and
>> > the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
>> >
>> > We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I
>> > think we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in The
>> > Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for
>> > discussion with both groups.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > --
>> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>> > /*
>> >
>> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>> > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>> >
>> > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>> > Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>> >
>> > Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>> >
>> > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> > bruna.martinsantos
>> > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
>> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Tue May 17 19:42:24 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:42:24 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvBG0_5Gxb5tuq=LrHpCurHMrCy_AKH1swgSxr7-oCHp6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
 <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADAEEV3KeR_4fTX-+k19znLqM9Rbx6HWXRALr=aWZnuBg1CVyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, all,

I have just sent Manal an email but am unsure of which set of the CSG do we
wanna reach out to. Are we interested on a conversation with CPH DNS Abuse
WGs or with the broader CSG leadership ?

Best,
B

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:49 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Yes Bruna, these dialogues are going to be very useful even if it's just
> reminding GAC of our existence. A few months ago during a meeting with the
> Board, Manal also expressed interest to have an informational meeting. We
> tell them about NCSG and our plans, ask them about their letter to the
> Board about closed generics, give them our opinion and generally have a
> chat. We have done these meetings before in 2017 and 2018 and GAC members
> found it useful. It even sparked some interesting conversation. Let's
> rekindle that spark.
>
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:40 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these
>> meetings as an opportunity to establish a conversation between us and the
>> GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to reset
>> the dialogue.
>>
>> So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick
>> before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed generics
>> is the main topic, right ?
>>
>> Best,
>> B
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Bruna,
>>>
>>> As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
>>> definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
>>> (or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
>>> or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
>>> representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
>>> something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
>>> they might not represent the GAC overall view.
>>>
>>> We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
>>> them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
>>> There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
>>> happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
>>> back at GAC and the board.
>>>
>>>         Julf
>>>
>>> On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>> > Dear all,
>>> >
>>> > Hope you are well!
>>> >
>>> > I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG
>>> and
>>> > the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
>>> >
>>> > We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I
>>> > think we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in
>>> The
>>> > Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for
>>> > discussion with both groups.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > --
>>> > */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>> > /*
>>> >
>>> > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>> > von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>> >
>>> > Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>>> > Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>> >
>>> > Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>> > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>> >
>>> > Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>> > bruna.martinsantos
>>> > _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu
>>> > <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>> > <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
>

-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From milton at gatech.edu  Wed May 18 00:18:30 2022
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 21:18:30 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Side-meetings at ICANN 74
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References: <CADAEEV0QYAmnYWc5d2UB7D=KdbxOCes9gZZfWVALuuGnOgv4nw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d5104802-ce5c-9d93-94d1-46d22e82d8bc@julf.com>
 <CADAEEV26gMJB9K4Z2HeVq8C=_f8dOHx1yfoL=htgTeuqJydRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvBG0_5Gxb5tuq=LrHpCurHMrCy_AKH1swgSxr7-oCHp6w@mail.gmail.com>
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I?d say, broader CSG leadership.

From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 12:42 PM
To: Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
Cc: Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>; ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>; NCSG EC <ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>; Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>; ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw>
Subject: Re: Side-meetings at ICANN 74

Hello, all,

I have just sent Manal an email but am unsure of which set of the CSG do we wanna reach out to. Are we interested on a conversation with CPH DNS Abuse WGs or with the broader CSG leadership ?

Best,
B

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:49 PM farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

Yes Bruna, these dialogues are going to be very useful even if it's just reminding GAC of our existence. A few months ago during a meeting with the Board, Manal also expressed interest to have an informational meeting. We tell them about NCSG and our plans, ask them about their letter to the Board about closed generics, give them our opinion and generally have a chat. We have done these meetings before in 2017 and 2018 and GAC members found it useful. It even sparked some interesting conversation. Let's rekindle that spark.





Farzaneh


On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 8:40 AM Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>> wrote:
Heya, Julf, thanks a lot for commenting on that. Im looking at these meetings as an opportunity to establish a conversation between us and the GAC, not sure how our members feel about that but my main goal is to reset the dialogue.

So id say we maybe need to internally set up agenda items really quick before i go on and schedule the conversation. And I believe closed generics is the main topic, right ?

Best,
B

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 2:35 PM Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com<mailto:julf at julf.com>> wrote:
Dear Bruna,

As a former GAC liaison, I think it is a good idea, and we should
definitely try. One challenge is that GAC doesn't really do "small"
(or "informal") apart from clearly defined and designated sub-teams
or representatives (such as "leadership" or "working group
representatives"). With enough lead time, they might be able to do
something like "a few members working on topic X", but in that case
they might not represent the GAC overall view.

We also have to remember that our best hope from small meetings with
them is to better understand their concerns, arguments and positions.
There is not much chance to actually influence them . that has to
happen through the GNSO council that needs to get better at pushing
back at GAC and the board.

        Julf

On 17-05-2022 14:21, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Hope you are well!
>
> I just wanted to let you know that im going to reach out to the CSG and
> the GAC for possible small meetings onsite during ICANN 74.
>
> We have been discussing this possibility/need for a while now and I
> think we should take some advantage from the onsite interactions in The
> Hague! Please let me know if you have any suggestions of topics for
> discussion with both groups.
>
> Best,
> --
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> /*
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu<mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>
> <mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu<mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>>_ and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> <mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>


--
Bruna Martins dos Santos


German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation<https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB)<https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede<https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
Twitter: @boomartins<https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: bruna.martinsantos
bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu<mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu> and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>


--
Bruna Martins dos Santos


German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation<https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB)<https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede<https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
Twitter: @boomartins<https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype: bruna.martinsantos
bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu<mailto:bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu> and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Wed May 18 16:49:26 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:49:26 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Call - transcript, attendees, replay,
 chat - 16 May 2022
Message-ID: <84EEC19C-2F92-43D3-BFDE-13C740BF2B81@icann.org>

Good day all,

Please find attached the transcript for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. Thank you.

Best,
Brenda

From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Monday, May 16, 2022 at 2:58 PM
To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>, "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Subject: NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay, chat - 16 May 2022

Dear all,

Please find attendees, replay, and chat details for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 16 May at 11:30 UTC. The transcript will be sent upon completion.  Thank you!

Kind regards,
Andrea and Brenda


ATTENDEES:   Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bolutife Adisa, Bruna Martins dos Santos, Bukola Oronti, Cindyneia Cantanhede, David Morar, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito, Farell Folly, GZ Kabir, Juan Manuel Rojas, Kathy Kleiman, Manju Chen, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Raymond Mamattah, Razoana Moslam, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Shavkat Sabiro, Taiwo Peter Akinremi, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Vernatius Ezeama | ICANN org:  Andrea Glandon, Brenda Brewer, Carlos Reyes

ZOOM Replay Link:  Here<https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/jGvk2dE8n0EdRFypPIcVUV_XfH7lTt1yzzyV6H66DJkw3qET0eN7VntQZLz12tofNHkuTmoM61WlII8-.9dmu0QZWa-bctCLF>

ZOOM Audio Link:  Here<https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/FpG4Rop0xRM9MqC8p4uiocna_XQdCnwO59eEyj9Zbsuirn4Y9NiM2uSUqbNKNzPMbn-wSgPdzfGmHjsZ.I5mZ5rRMUYzvbClv>

ZOOM Chat Link:  Here<https://icann.zoom.us/rec/sdownload/myC9Vp-Uf_7VTpQRSvfgHPJmj7XGSr4K1f4zgiLVvkzqml2bvDR0P0A_xX8aoVm14J8xTr4OpzB7UiOq.Dv1hz6sCOoXQEO7o>

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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Tue May 31 01:09:24 2022
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 18:09:24 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] ICANN Prep Session tomorrow
Message-ID: <5ce27304-6022-1f44-63c7-d8a774d7a451@KathyKleiman.com>

Hi All,

Prep week is starting and I thought we might want to follow this meeting 
tomorrow -


    New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Operational Design Phase Update

  *
    Karen Lentz <https://74.schedule.icann.org/people/K2sk3b3GDFBMjoov9>
    Karen Lentz
    <https://74.schedule.icann.org/people/K2sk3b3GDFBMjoov9>
    ICANN
    VP Policy Research & Stakeholder Programs

5:00 PM - 6:00 PM EDTon Tuesday, May 31

-----------------------------------------------------------

To get the link, please register for the ICANN meeting (remote or 
in-person).

Best, Kathy
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