[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Motion for the Initiation of the GNSO Guidance Process on Applicant Support

Mon Jul 18 05:33:50 EEST 2022

Hi All,

Tx Tomslin for sharing!  I wish, I wish, we could take the lead on this, 
but I know time is stretched all round.  Do we have a good person who 
could serve on the Small Group?

What do others think?

I see some merit in Kurt's proposal.  I think this should go farther - 
much farther - to define "to retain and employ the outside 
skills necessary to create the Applicant Support program framework."

Who?  This should be given considerable thought by NCSG and the GNSO 
Council. IMHO, we don't want the usual US consulting firms, but experts 
from and in Global South communities, indigenous peoples (in the Global 
South and Global North), minority communities, and likely linguists to 
think through IDN issues for these communities to.  (I'll call them 
"Applicant Support Communities").

And a separate group of technical gTLD experts. As the Subpro WG 
discussed and included in their recommendation and supporting language, 
many communities and peoples will need more than just application fees.  
They'll need consulting and other support in planning to apply for and 
run a gTLD (including IDN gTLDs), then filling out the detailed ICANN 
gTLD application (a big process!), paying submission fees, then 
preparing for the work of managing and running a gTLD (also a lot of 
work!). This is not just my view, but SubPro WG's discussion.

Overall, if the Applicant Support program framework, heads in this 
direction, it will need "outside skills" with experts who know the 
Applicant Support Communities and how to reach and work with them, and 
[a different group] technical experts to work with applicants who know 
what a gTLD application is (technical, operational, financial 
requirements) and what it takes to run one once they get the gTLD 
delegation from ICANN.

/If you agree with the assessment above//, how can we build these 
details expressly into Kurt's countrproposal (he says he is receptive to 
amendments)./

Best and tx, Kathy

On 7/15/2022 4:45 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Policy committee members,
>
> I'd like to hear what you think of this counter proposal from Kurt. 
> Specifically, he wants that rather than *a 30-member (20 active, 10 
> alternate) Steering Committee to complete the Applicant Support 
> program development, the Council should form a small team that works 
> with ICANN to retain and employ the outside skills necessary to create 
> the Applicant Support program framework*.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *kurt kjpritz.com <http://kjpritz.com> via council* 
> <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 at 03:11
> Subject: Re: [council] Motion for the Initiation of the GNSO Guidance 
> Process on Applicant Support
> To: Fouquart <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, council at gnso.icann.org 
> <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Hello Councilors:
>
> I am writing to offer an amendment to the Motion to initiate the 
> GNSO Guidance Process (GGP). It is enough of a departure from the 
> original that I don’t think it can / will be considered a friendly 
> amendment. In any case, I think it’d be beneficial to the outcome if 
> we debated the two approaches and decided on one. I think the 
> discussion is as important as the outcome.
>
> The amendment more directly affects the GGP Initiation Request that is 
> incorporated into the motion. It seeks to simplify the process for 
> creating an Applicant Support Program. (An Initiation Request is a 
> prerequisite to launching a GGP.)
>
> *Background and Recent Developments:* The SubPro Final Report 
> recommended that a “dedicated IRT” be created to flesh out the 
> Applicant Support Program. In response, the ODP Team expressed concern 
> that the work recommended by SubPro was potentially out of scope of 
> the role for an IRT and should be returned to the GNSO.
>
> The Council recognized that this work could be accomplished using 
> the GNSO Guidance Process (GGP), which is flexible, i.e., adaptable to 
> the needs of various policy-related tasks.
>
> The current motion calls for the creation of a 30-member (20 active, 
> 10 alternate) Steering Committee to complete the Applicant Support 
> program development with the added implication that this group could 
> be used for additional policy / implementation issues.
>
> *Recommendation:* Rather than a Steering Committee, the Council should 
> form a small team that works with ICANN to retain and employ the 
> outside skills necessary to create the Applicant Support program 
> framework.
>
> *Rationale for this Recommendation:*
>
> 1.     We approved the SubPro Final Report, so we should do what it 
> says. The Report advised that a community-based team would not possess 
> the requisite skills to develop the Applicant Support program and an 
> issue-specific team with the necessary outside skillsets should be 
> formed. Creating a 30-member community team is, at best, an 
> unnecessary step and, more likely, is the antithesis of the SubPro 
> Report direction and disrespectful of valuable volunteer time.
>
> 2.     Creating a small team does not contradict the participatory, 
> bottom-up model. The broad community discussed this topic for five 
> years and provided the best direction it could, to take the discussion 
> out from under the community umbrella. In any event, no 
> GNSO stakeholder group would be precluded from sending a member to 
> this small team, and whatever Applicant Support program is 
> recommended, the community will have the opportunity to discuss it 
> prior to adoption.
>
> 3.     Nor is a standing 30-person Steering Committee likely to be an 
> economical or effective approach if asked to consider additional 
> issues. This steering committee likely would be populated by those 
> interested in the Applicant Support program and not have the necessary 
> skill sets for, or interest in, tackling different 
> issues.  Community members interested in subsequent issues would 
> likely be closed out of participating because the committee would be 
> populated by those interested in the Applicant Support program. So, 
> the 30-member committee, already demonstrated to be inefficient for 
> the purpose of sorting the Applicant Support issues, would also be 
> ineffectual on the subsequent issues.
>
> 4.     This is likely to be an extended commitment on the part of our 
> depleted volunteer workforce. Cannot we, as managers of the policy 
> process, manage these important areas of policy / implementation 
> administration, and reserve volunteers’ valuable time for substantive 
> work? In the meantime, we can launch this first-ever GGP effort, keep 
> it narrow to make it efficient, and learn from it.
>
> I’ve attached an alternative GGP Initiation Request. Amendments and 
> additional discussion are welcome
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 13, 2022, at 3:46 AM, philippe.fouquart--- via council 
>> <council at gnso.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Councilors,
>> Please find attached the GNSO Guidance Process associated with the 
>> motion circulated on Monday.
>> This version is intended to incorporate comments made in The Hague, 
>> notably on focusing on applicant support and the flexibility bw a 
>> steering group and subteams. A couple of additional things that 
>> leadership would like to draw your attention to in case you’d have an 
>> opinion:
>>
>>   * the need for theGNSO Liaison to the ODP to be a (non voting)
>>     member(that’s under 5.)
>>   * the explicit acknowledgement that this group may deliver their
>>     results after the conclusion of the ODP or even the Board’s vote.
>>     (under 7)
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Regards,
>> Philippe
>> *From:*FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET
>> *Sent:*Monday, July 11, 2022 5:14 PM
>> *To:*council at gnso.icann.org
>> *Cc:*'gnso-secs at icann.org' <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>> *Subject:*Motion for the Initiation of the GNSO Guidance Process on 
>> Applicant Support
>> Dear Councilors,
>> Following our discussion in The Hague, please find attached the 
>> Motion for the Initiation of the GNSO Guidance Process on Applicant 
>> Support submitted to the July 21^st Council meeting. It will be 
>> updated with the link to the GGP within a few days.
>> Regards,
>> Philippe
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