From manju at nii.org.tw  Fri Apr  1 04:32:57 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 09:32:57 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <f9ba50f2-f1f2-2f8a-2bae-62f85ca69dc9@kathykleiman.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
 <53C7C97B-A842-4F43-A04B-A17128E4CBEB@icann.org>
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 <CAM8DdeUikAxyAR1WhWaWTXLgk9Jybx43M5q=Fa3GqReVNg2u1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <f9ba50f2-f1f2-2f8a-2bae-62f85ca69dc9@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeQZi0m8V7yQD4WHsic5PgWoz06EyiBcFZja+05BMiSTuspFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kathy,

The Council has formed a small team and charged it with the task of coming
up with suggestions for the next step.
I guess you can think of this small team as having the responsibility of
requesting input from their respective groups?

The members of the small team are Paul McGrady, Kurt Pritz, Jeff Neuman,
Justine Chew, and me.

So you can see how we really have to hold our fort on this one, and I'm
counting on the statement we agreed to put together as a cheat sheet so I
deliver our points loud and clear.

The small team is scheduled to meet next week. I'll listen to our policy
call again to note down our points. In the meantime, I'd really appreciate
more insights from those of you who have extensive knowledge of closed
generics and GAC/GNSO dialogue on Red Cross.

Best,
Manju


On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 20:39 Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin,
>
> I thought the Council was going to go through a period of requesting some
> input. Has that changed?
>
> Best, Kathy
> On 3/30/2022 9:08 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> Hi team,
>
> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
> her contribution to that team.
>
> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
> ideas down on the Google form
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
> the document.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>> Google doc [
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>
>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear everyone,
>>>
>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO
>>> Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>
>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
>>> Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>>> Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>> attached.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy Profit
>>>
>>> ICANN
>>>
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
>>> manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <
>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy Profit
>>>
>>> ICANN
>>>
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 15:36:39 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 22:36:39 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [Public Comment] For Review - Policy Status Report:
 Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP)
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeWjWkp-B37ufAMYH7P2KB66dLfc+iZBChh908z3nrW_ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeWjWkp-B37ufAMYH7P2KB66dLfc+iZBChh908z3nrW_ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeVR_ydmbo1RT460pELP1S9XQK0G3NWkqPX164uBkgT2SA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear everyone,

Pedro de Perdig?o Lana has kindly offered a draft comment to this
proceeding and it can be found on this link
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkjTnKz7YoXzNeWaZ5L3UDiPclSyVv7q5QBnl67_IQ8/edit?usp=sharing>.
Your comments and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkjTnKz7YoXzNeWaZ5L3UDiPclSyVv7q5QBnl67_IQ8/edit?usp=sharing

Warmly,
Tomslin


On Sat, 5 Mar 2022 at 20:28, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear members,
>
> The public comment period on the *Policy Status Report: Uniform Domain
> Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP)* has just been opened and the
> Policy Committee is calling for volunteers to draft an NCSG comment for
> this proceeding which is due for consideration on *Monday, 11 April 2022*
> to allow time for filling and submitting the new public comment form.
>
> Please let me know off-list if you'd like to volunteer for the comment
> drafting. It'll be nice to have more than one volunteer, including
> new-commers who can use this as an opportunity to learn and be familiar
> with policy work.
>
> More information about the policy status report can be found here :
> https://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/proceeding/policy-status-report-uniform-domain-name-dispute-resolution-policy-udrp-03-03-2022
>
> A draft Google doc for the comment can be found here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OkjTnKz7YoXzNeWaZ5L3UDiPclSyVv7q5QBnl67_IQ8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> You can find previous NCSG comments here:
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2021
>
> *See below some best practices for the penholder:*
>
>    -
> *Provide the first draft on the mailing list in by day 21 of the comment
>    period *
>    - *Try to resolve the comments throughout the duration of comment
>    period *
>    - *Make sure that the commenter has seen how comment has been resolved
>    (contact them directly if necessary)*
>
> Cheers,
> Tomslin
>
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Sun Apr  3 20:00:37 2022
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2022 13:00:37 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <CAMeQZi0m8V7yQD4WHsic5PgWoz06EyiBcFZja+05BMiSTuspFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
 <53C7C97B-A842-4F43-A04B-A17128E4CBEB@icann.org>
 <CAM8DdeXL71OEv7qzccvPiUq6XHv38WLco1G=3jvW3q1JzRFZ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVYmsKA2z6tVpEppLsBMt=EfTv1vwSpgbszGxwNQyptwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUikAxyAR1WhWaWTXLgk9Jybx43M5q=Fa3GqReVNg2u1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <f9ba50f2-f1f2-2f8a-2bae-62f85ca69dc9@kathykleiman.com>
 <CAMeQZi0m8V7yQD4WHsic5PgWoz06EyiBcFZja+05BMiSTuspFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c14ed93b-81cf-c6b5-a6de-516314e81904@kathykleiman.com>

Hi Manju,

Your material is excellent. I've tried to be helpful in adding more 
references from the GAC Beijing Advice in 2013, and some of the outreach 
of the more recent outreach of SubPro WG members to the GAC during the PDP.

Also some sources/references/letters/CircleID at bottom now.

What else can we do to help you?

Best, Kathy

On 3/31/2022 9:32 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
> Hi?Kathy,
>
> The Council has formed a small team and charged it with the task of 
> coming up with suggestions for the next step.
> I guess you can think of this small team as having the responsibility 
> of requesting input from their?respective groups?
>
> The members of the small team are Paul McGrady, Kurt Pritz, Jeff 
> Neuman, Justine Chew, and me.
>
> So you can see how we really have to hold our fort on this one, and 
> I'm counting on the statement we agreed to put together as a 
> cheat?sheet so I deliver our points loud and clear.
>
> The small team is scheduled to meet next week. I'll listen to our 
> policy call again to note down our points. In the meantime, I'd really 
> appreciate more insights from those of you who have extensive 
> knowledge of closed generics and GAC/GNSO dialogue on Red Cross.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 20:39 Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Tomslin,
>
>     I thought the Council was going to go through a period of
>     requesting some input. Has that changed?
>
>     Best, Kathy
>
>     On 3/30/2022 9:08 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>     Hi team,
>>
>>     I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised
>>     to put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and
>>     Council on closed generics. The Council small team is about to be
>>     activated to start deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen
>>     <mailto:manju at nii.org.tw>?who is representing us there hopes to
>>     rely on the response we pen down to guide her contribution to
>>     that team.
>>
>>     In this?regard, can I request that we find some time to please
>>     put our ideas down on the Google
>>     formhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>     Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll
>>     review my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during
>>     our policy call on the document.
>>
>>     Warmly,
>>     Tomslin
>>
>>     On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>>     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's
>>         proposed facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I
>>         have created this Google doc [
>>         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>         ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a
>>         letter to the council small team on Closed Generics.
>>
>>         Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>         attached again is the letter from the board and the
>>         accompanying framing paper.
>>
>>         Regards,
>>         Tomslin
>>
>>
>>         On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>         <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>             Dear everyone,
>>
>>             Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed
>>             dialogue between GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed
>>             Generics that was promised.
>>
>>             Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate
>>             email with a link to the Google doc where we intend to
>>             draft a letter as a response to this.
>>
>>             Regards,
>>             Tomslin
>>
>>
>>             ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>             From: *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs* <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>             Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>             Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman
>>             to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO
>>             Consultation on Closed Generics
>>             To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org
>>             <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal Ismail
>>             <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com
>>             <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>             <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>             Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence
>>             <Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team
>>             <board-ops-team at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
>>             <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>>             Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>
>>
>>             Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>
>>             Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022,
>>             attached for reference), we are now forwarding the
>>             associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>             Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed
>>             Generics?, also attached.
>>
>>             **
>>
>>             Thank you and best regards,
>>
>>             Wendy Profit
>>
>>             ICANN
>>
>>             Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>>             12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>
>>             Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>             *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>             *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>             *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org"
>>             <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "manal at tra.gov.eg"
>>             <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>             <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>             *Cc: *Maarten Botterman
>>             <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>,
>>             "gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF
>>             <gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org"
>>             <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN Board Ops
>>             <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence
>>             <Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>             *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>             Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on
>>             Closed Generics
>>
>>             Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>
>>             Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten
>>             Botterman regarding a proposed formal consultation
>>             between the GAC and GNSO Council on how to handle the
>>             subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>
>>             Thank you and best regards,
>>
>>             Wendy Profit
>>
>>             ICANN
>>
>>             Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>>             12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>
>>             Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>             <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>             _______________________________________________
>>             Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>             Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>             https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
>>             _______________________________________________
>>             By submitting your personal data, you consent to the
>>             processing of your personal data for purposes of
>>             subscribing to this mailing list accordance with the
>>             ICANN Privacy Policy
>>             (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website
>>             Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You
>>             can visit the Mailman link above to change your
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 13:57:54 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2022 20:57:54 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] IGO WT Update
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeX_8XbQpmTzADc2+8O4Qm4Wo=1rOBteGJft5kjGscjVUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Juan,

I understand the IGO WT final report is  ready and that there is full
consensus. Would you be able to walk us through how that came to be and a
few more insights into the report during our policy call on Monday?

Tomslin
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From manju at nii.org.tw  Thu Apr  7 01:18:27 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:18:27 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeUikAxyAR1WhWaWTXLgk9Jybx43M5q=Fa3GqReVNg2u1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
 <53C7C97B-A842-4F43-A04B-A17128E4CBEB@icann.org>
 <CAM8DdeXL71OEv7qzccvPiUq6XHv38WLco1G=3jvW3q1JzRFZ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVYmsKA2z6tVpEppLsBMt=EfTv1vwSpgbszGxwNQyptwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUikAxyAR1WhWaWTXLgk9Jybx43M5q=Fa3GqReVNg2u1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeQZi043hvFhc=_p-NkPOjuyNo_+XfmozU8Cs5z-ZM=JvS4iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi team,

Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
small team.

So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
Council level.

I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
material and edits:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing


We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think it'd
be an easy task now we have all the contents.

Best,
Manju

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi team,
>
> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
> her contribution to that team.
>
> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
> ideas down on the Google form
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
> the document.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>> Google doc [
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>
>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear everyone,
>>>
>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO
>>> Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>
>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
>>> Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>>> Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>> attached.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy Profit
>>>
>>> ICANN
>>>
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
>>> manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <
>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy Profit
>>>
>>> ICANN
>>>
>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>
>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
>>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>>> and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>> You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
>>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>
>>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 03:50:39 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 10:50:39 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG policy call invite/reminder
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeU3QV0q4TGphJPRKeq4LDMzNbqLNSig+futsng_s1Jmdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brenda,

I hope you are well. Would you mind sending a reminder about our policy
call next week? I have it in my calendar but many members seem not to have
it.

The draft Agenda is below:

1.     Welcome & Introduction



2.     GNSO Council Agenda walk-through



3.   Update: EPDP-IGOs Final Report


4.  Update: Council SSAD ODA small group report


5. Update: Council DNS abuse small team


6. Update: Closed Generics

7.     Administrative updates & any other business


  a.  Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) public comment.
 b. Root Zone Label Generation Rules Version 5 (RZ-LGR-5)



Warmly,
Tomslin
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 04:39:35 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 03:39:35 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor
 Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
In-Reply-To: <824CD91B-E40E-41D2-8972-1B9C7D5C3D93@icann.org>
References: <824CD91B-E40E-41D2-8972-1B9C7D5C3D93@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Hope this email finds everyone well!

As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.

Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know whether
you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For those who
are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly ask that you
reply to this email so that we can select a substitute.

Best,
Bruna



---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers
Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com <
mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Dear all,



In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a timely
fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.org by
*Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be submitted by deadline of 15 April
2022.



As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get funding,
as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.



A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the OFAC
review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for confirmed
reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.

*WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*




   1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an acknowledgement
   and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is built in the
   ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for in-person
   participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this specific
   link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation Email.?
   Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement and
   waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they are
   able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
   travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
   more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
   Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
   can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
   can be shared with funded travelers.



*NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
Guidelines.

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf




2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international travel,
all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and exit
requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific
travel requirements by visiting https://apply.joinsherpa.com/map or their
local government international traveler websites.

   - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on their
   location, visit https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.
   - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that provides
   an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters. If
   funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry requirements as
   outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are confident they will
   find the virtual participation experience equally as engaging.



3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
travelers who are confirmed and eligible.





Reminder:

   - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation funding,
   a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO NOT* book your
   own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
   - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of providing
   travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be processed
   in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
   Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our
   privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org.



Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the
following into consideration:



1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming
travel.

2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please make
sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN travel team
to let them know you will need a visa.

3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by
case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
issues.

4.               If possible please book direct travel requests. Detours
and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.

5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN
meeting venue.

6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting
is *ARRIVAL:
12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*

7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done
at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN
hotel confirmation has be sent to them.

8.               *Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund or
take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a
replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel
their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their
reservation.



 Many thanks for your cooperation!

 Thank you.



With kind regards,

*Terri*

*            ---*

*Terri Agnew*

Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

*Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann



Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>

Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>

Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
located on the GNSO Master Calendar
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>










-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 07:48:12 2022
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 04:48:12 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG policy call invite/reminder
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeU3QV0q4TGphJPRKeq4LDMzNbqLNSig+futsng_s1Jmdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeU3QV0q4TGphJPRKeq4LDMzNbqLNSig+futsng_s1Jmdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAU+vPGxvzwKmTOX_87Skq_Kc2FNpmXU1Opjdifnx_8qEGTkhA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tomslin,
Thanks very much for the information



On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:50 am Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Brenda,
>
> I hope you are well. Would you mind sending a reminder about our policy
> call next week? I have it in my calendar but many members seem not to have
> it.
>
> The draft Agenda is below:
>
> 1.     Welcome & Introduction
>
>
>
> 2.     GNSO Council Agenda walk-through
>
>
>
> 3.   Update: EPDP-IGOs Final Report
>
>
> 4.  Update: Council SSAD ODA small group report
>
>
> 5. Update: Council DNS abuse small team
>
>
> 6. Update: Closed Generics
>
> 7.     Administrative updates & any other business
>
>
>   a.  Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) public comment.
>  b. Root Zone Label Generation Rules Version 5 (RZ-LGR-5)
>
>
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 15:40:47 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 22:40:47 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <824CD91B-E40E-41D2-8972-1B9C7D5C3D93@icann.org>
 <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeX5f7Vhy7Dpp4_W3-p5uJQBo8Fzhj+vGJHYJb6Fys87HQ@mail.gmail.com>

I will not be attending in person @Bruna.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Hope this email finds everyone well!
>
> As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
> that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>
> Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know whether
> you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For those who
> are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly ask that
> you reply to this email so that we can select a substitute.
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
> Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers
> Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com <
> mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a timely
> fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to
> gnso-secs at icann.org by *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be submitted
> by deadline of 15 April 2022.
>
>
>
> As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get funding,
> as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>
>
>
> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the OFAC
> review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for confirmed
> reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>
> *WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*
>
>
>
>
>    1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an acknowledgement
>    and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is built in the
>    ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for in-person
>    participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this specific
>    link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation Email.?
>    Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement and
>    waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they are
>    able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
>    travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
>    more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
>    Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>    can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
>    can be shared with funded travelers.
>
>
>
> *NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
> understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
> Guidelines.
>
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>
>
>
>
> 2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international
> travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and
> exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
> requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific
> travel requirements by visiting https://apply.joinsherpa.com/map or their
> local government international traveler websites.
>
>    - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on their
>    location, visit https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.
>    - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that
>    provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.
>     If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry
>    requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are
>    confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as
>    engaging.
>
>
>
> 3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
> opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
> We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
> their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
> options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
> Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
> travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>
>
>
>
>
> Reminder:
>
>    - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>    funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO NOT*
>    book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>    - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of providing
>    travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be processed
>    in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org]
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
>    Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our
>    privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org.
>
>
>
> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
> fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the
> following into consideration:
>
>
>
> 1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming
> travel.
>
> 2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please make
> sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN travel
> team to let them know you will need a visa.
>
> 3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by
> case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
> deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
> as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
> issues.
>
> 4.               If possible please book direct travel requests. Detours
> and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>
> 5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN
> meeting venue.
>
> 6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting is *ARRIVAL:
> 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>
> 7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done
> at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN
> hotel confirmation has be sent to them.
>
> 8.               *Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund
> or take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a
> replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel
> their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their
> reservation.
>
>
>
>  Many thanks for your cooperation!
>
>  Thank you.
>
>
>
> With kind regards,
>
> *Terri*
>
> *            ---*
>
> *Terri Agnew*
>
> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>
>
>
> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>
> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>
> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
> located on the GNSO Master Calendar
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Fri Apr  8 15:41:36 2022
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 12:41:36 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 11 April at 11:30 UTC
Message-ID: <9f70e85d172649e0b3030016f22c0f92@icann.org>

Please join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 11 April at 11:30 UTC. Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220411T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.

Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
Passcode: i!y7.qx&#43;11

WANT US TO CALL YOU? Please send dial-out request and apologies to brenda.brewer at icann.org<mailto:brenda.brewer at icann.org>.

One tap mobile
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Fri Apr  8 16:04:52 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:04:52 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 11 April at 11:30 UTC
Message-ID: <7B157450-11B2-410C-8D59-F45CFE9A528A@icann.org>

Good day all,

lease join the NCSG Monthly Policy call on Monday, 11 April at 11:30 UTC.  Additional time zone support here<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=NCSG+Policy+Call&iso=20220411T1130&p1=1440&ah=1&am=30>.
The join details are attached and noted below for your convenience.  Thank you.

Draft Agenda:

  1.  Welcome & Introduction
  2.  GNSO Council Agenda walk-through
  3.  Update: EPDP-IGOs Final Report
  4.  Update: Council SSAD ODA small group report
  5.  Update: Council DNS abuse small team
  6.  Update: Closed Generics
  7.  Administrative updates & any other business
     *   Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (UDRP) public comment.
     *   Root Zone Label Generation Rules Version 5 (RZ-LGR-5)



 Join Zoom Meeting: https://icann.zoom.us/j/98878189584?pwd=ZVpkSVVuaXVqeGRMelNEWW1LMkxQUT09
Meeting ID: 988 7818 9584
Passcode: i!y7.qx+11

One tap mobile
+16699006833,,98878189584#,,,,,,0#,,7740925615# US (San Jose)
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  8 16:17:24 2022
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 13:17:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <824CD91B-E40E-41D2-8972-1B9C7D5C3D93@icann.org>
 <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472290961.1770247.1649423844073@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Bruna, 
I am planning to attend this meeting
Best Regards, 

JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Director - MINKA DIGITAL ColombiaGNSO Councilor - ICANNCivil Soc. Rep - CODECTI? (Comit? Departamental de Ciencia Tecnolog?a e Innovaci?n)
Master IT candidate, Universidad de los AndesRegistered Linux User No.533108.


Cel. +57 301 743 56 00
Instagram/Twitter:?@JmanuRojas





? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

    El jueves, 7 de abril de 2022, 08:39:58 p.?m. GMT-5, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> escribi?:  
 
 Hey all,?
Hope this email finds everyone well!?
As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.?
Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know whether you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For those who are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly ask that you reply to this email?so that we can select a substitute. ?
Best,?Bruna?


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>



Dearall,

?

In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a timely fashion, please submit your ICANN74Meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.orgby Thursday, 14 April 2022 in order to be submitted by deadline of 15 April 2022.

?

As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.

?

A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.

WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS




   
   - WAIVER. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an acknowledgement and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is built in the ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for in-person participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this specific link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation Email.? Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement and waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they are able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that can be shared with funded travelers.

?

NOTE:?The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read, understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support Guidelines.

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf?

?

2.????????????TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES. As with all international travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific travel requirements by visitinghttps://apply.joinsherpa.com/map?or their local government international traveler websites.?
   
   - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on their location, visit?https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.?
   - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.?If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as engaging.?

?

3.????????????CONCUR. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience. We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded travelers who are confirmed and eligible.?

?

?

Reminder:
   
   - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, pleaseDO NOT book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.??
   - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of providing travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org].? Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our privacy practices, you may contact us atprivacy at icann.org.

?

Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of fairness and in light of budget restrictions?we would like you to take the following into consideration:

?

1.??????????????Respond?timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming travel.

2.??????????????If you require a visa to enter the country, please make sure to acquire your visa immediately.?Please contact the ICANN travel team to let them know you will need a visa. 

3.??????????????Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa issues.

4.??????????????If possible pleasebook?direct travel requests.?Detours and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.

5.??????????????Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN meeting venue.?

6.??????????????Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting isARRIVAL: 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022

7.??????????????If travelers want to extend their stay this must be done at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent to them.

8.??????????????Privately Booked Reservations:?ICANN will not refund or take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their reservation.? ?

?

?Many thanks for your cooperation!

?Thank you.?

?

With kind regards,

Terri

????????????---

Terri Agnew

Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

Skype ID:? terri.agnew.icann

?

Find out more about the GNSO by visiting:?https://learn.icann.org/

Follow @GNSO on Twitter:?https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO

Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are located on the?GNSO Master Calendar?

?

?

?

?

?
-- 
Bruna Martins dos Santos?




German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) |?Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB)


Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede?
Chair?|?Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
Co-Coordinator?|?Internet Governance Caucus?


Twitter:?@boomartins?//?Skype: bruna.martinsantosbruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com_______________________________________________
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From wisdom.dk at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 20:32:14 2022
From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 17:32:14 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeX5f7Vhy7Dpp4_W3-p5uJQBo8Fzhj+vGJHYJb6Fys87HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <824CD91B-E40E-41D2-8972-1B9C7D5C3D93@icann.org>
 <CADAEEV3XdP6f5rSL=nPP9Fddbfg16CGhJkuVMyCpN6FBuQKvhw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeX5f7Vhy7Dpp4_W3-p5uJQBo8Fzhj+vGJHYJb6Fys87HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAU+vPEYCSSn7FSQa3BQC4rywC-c=ePx7erx_jhe7_jZkW48cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bruna,
I will be attending.

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Hope this email finds everyone well!
>>
>> As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
>> that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>>
>> Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know
>> whether you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For
>> those who are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly
>> ask that you reply to this email so that we can select a substitute.
>>
>> Best,
>> Bruna
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>> Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>> Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers
>> Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a
>> timely fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to
>> gnso-secs at icann.org by *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be
>> submitted by deadline of 15 April 2022.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get funding,
>> as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>>
>>
>>
>> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
>> OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
>> confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>>
>> *WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an acknowledgement
>>    and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is built in the
>>    ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for in-person
>>    participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this specific
>>    link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation Email.?
>>    Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement and
>>    waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they are
>>    able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
>>    travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
>>    more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
>>    Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>>    can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
>>    can be shared with funded travelers.
>>
>>
>>
>> *NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
>> understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
>> Guidelines.
>>
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international
>> travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and
>> exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
>> requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific
>> travel requirements by visiting https://apply.joinsherpa.com/map or
>> their local government international traveler websites.
>>
>>    - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on their
>>    location, visit https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.
>>    - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that
>>    provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.
>>     If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry
>>    requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are
>>    confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as
>>    engaging.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
>> opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
>> We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
>> their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
>> options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
>> Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
>> travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Reminder:
>>
>>    - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>>    funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
>>    NOT* book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>>    - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of
>>    providing travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be
>>    processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org]
>>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
>>    Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our
>>    privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
>> fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the
>> following into consideration:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming
>> travel.
>>
>> 2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please make
>> sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN travel
>> team to let them know you will need a visa.
>>
>> 3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case by
>> case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
>> deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
>> as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
>> issues.
>>
>> 4.               If possible please book direct travel requests. Detours
>> and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>>
>> 5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN
>> meeting venue.
>>
>> 6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting is *ARRIVAL:
>> 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>>
>> 7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be
>> done at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the
>> ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent to them.
>>
>> 8.               *Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund
>> or take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a
>> replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel
>> their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their
>> reservation.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Many thanks for your cooperation!
>>
>>  Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> *Terri*
>>
>> *            ---*
>>
>> *Terri Agnew*
>>
>> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>
>> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>>
>>
>>
>> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>>
>> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>>
>> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
>> located on the GNSO Master Calendar
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 23:08:05 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 06:08:05 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
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Hi Manju,
Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.

Thanks again.
Tomslin


On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi team,
>
> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
> small team.
>
> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
> Council level.
>
> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
> material and edits:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
>> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
>> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>> her contribution to that team.
>>
>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>> ideas down on the Google form
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
>> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
>> the document.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>> Google doc [
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>
>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO
>>>> Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>
>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
>>>> Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>>> attached.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>
>>>> ICANN
>>>>
>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>
>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
>>>> manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <
>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>
>>>> ICANN
>>>>
>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>
>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>
>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
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>>>> and the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>>> You can visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 02:34:58 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 09:34:58 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council DNS abuse small team Questions
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeXBk87JCRbDOg_6L1faiqmMg9g-XazSS+kuVeudT=yH8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

As you must have read from the update Wisdom shared a while back, some
questions were asked during an outreach by the small team and though our
community didn't provide any feedback to Wisdom's email, I think it will be
a good idea for us to provide some sort of official response to those
questions back to the small team.
N.B: I went to observe the small teams meeting last week and realised that
all other SGs have or are planning to provide responses to those questions.

I have taken the liberty to draft
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing>
a few responses, which I hope you all can make changes to it as well to
better reflect our position on DNS abuse. The Google doc is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing

The Questions again are:

What specific problem(s) would policy development in particular be expected
to address and why do you believe that policy development is the right
mechanism to solve those problems?

Proposed Response: The NCSG does not believe there are any problems
discussed in the community that require policy development effort.
Moreover, a common definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with
ICANN?s bylaws and technical remit first needs to be adopted by the
community.

What do you believe are the expected outcomes if policy development would
be undertaken, taking into account the remit of ICANN and more specifically
GNSO policy development in this context?

Proposed Response: None, since we do not see any problem requiring policy
development.

Do you (or your community group) have any expectations with regards to
possible next steps the GNSO Council could or should undertake in the
context of policy development?

Proposed Response: Our expectation of next steps is for a common community
definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with ICANN?s bylaws and
technical remit.

Tomslin
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From manju at nii.org.tw  Mon Apr 11 05:19:02 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:19:02 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
In-Reply-To: <CAAU+vPEYCSSn7FSQa3BQC4rywC-c=ePx7erx_jhe7_jZkW48cQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bruna,

I plan to attend the meeting in person.
Many thanks!

Best,
Manju

On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 1:32 AM Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Bruna,
> I will be attending.
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Hope this email finds everyone well!
>>>
>>> As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
>>> that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>>>
>>> Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know
>>> whether you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For
>>> those who are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly
>>> ask that you reply to this email so that we can select a substitute.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Bruna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>> Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>>> Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers
>>> Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>>> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a
>>> timely fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to
>>> gnso-secs at icann.org by *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be
>>> submitted by deadline of 15 April 2022.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>>> funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
>>> OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
>>> confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>>>
>>> *WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an
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>>>    are able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
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>>>    more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
>>>    Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>>>    can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
>>>    can be shared with funded travelers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
>>> understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
>>> Guidelines.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international
>>> travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and
>>> exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
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>>> travel requirements by visiting https://apply.joinsherpa.com/map or
>>> their local government international traveler websites.
>>>
>>>    - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on their
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>>>    - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that
>>>    provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.
>>>     If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry
>>>    requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are
>>>    confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as
>>>    engaging.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
>>> opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
>>> We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
>>> their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
>>> options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
>>> Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
>>> travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Reminder:
>>>
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>>>    funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
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>>> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
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>>> following into consideration:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your upcoming
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>>>
>>> 2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please
>>> make sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN
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>>> 3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case
>>> by case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
>>> deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
>>> as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
>>> issues.
>>>
>>> 4.               If possible please book direct travel
>>> requests. Detours and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>>>
>>> 5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the ICANN
>>> meeting venue.
>>>
>>> 6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting is *ARRIVAL:
>>> 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>>>
>>> 7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be
>>> done at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the
>>> ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent to them.
>>>
>>> 8.               *Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not refund
>>> or take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler. If a
>>> replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to cancel
>>> their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their
>>> reservation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Many thanks for your cooperation!
>>>
>>>  Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With kind regards,
>>>
>>> *Terri*
>>>
>>> *            ---*
>>>
>>> *Terri Agnew*
>>>
>>> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>>>
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>
>>> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>>>
>>> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>>>
>>> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
>>> located on the GNSO Master Calendar
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>
>>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>
>>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>>
>>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>
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>>> bruna.martinsantos
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>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From manju at nii.org.tw  Mon Apr 11 05:22:34 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:22:34 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeX-oPQOT1_UqRH3fKGsTUU1Z1EUib=fwS5GL_kDHJc4Eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
 <53C7C97B-A842-4F43-A04B-A17128E4CBEB@icann.org>
 <CAM8DdeXL71OEv7qzccvPiUq6XHv38WLco1G=3jvW3q1JzRFZ4g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeVYmsKA2z6tVpEppLsBMt=EfTv1vwSpgbszGxwNQyptwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM8DdeUikAxyAR1WhWaWTXLgk9Jybx43M5q=Fa3GqReVNg2u1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMeQZi1uqMyskNpmqkb5M6zstoXkpebOK8UJrBvKRf68dHkT1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tomslin and all,

Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council meeting
this week.
Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late motion.
I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if
they want to propose the motion.

I can share more details and answer questions today later during our policy
call.

Best,
Manju



On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Manju,
> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
> representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>
> Thanks again.
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>> small team.
>>
>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>> Council level.
>>
>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
>> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
>> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
>> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
>> material and edits:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
>>> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
>>> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>
>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
>>> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
>>> the document.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>> Google doc [
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>
>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>>>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>>>> attached.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>
>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>> manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <
>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>
>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
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From PolicyCalendar at icann.org  Mon Apr 11 14:11:46 2022
From: PolicyCalendar at icann.org (ICANN Policy Calendar)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:11:46 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 20-minute REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 11 April at 11:30
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 14:17:11 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:17:11 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 20-minute REMINDER: NCSG Policy Call | 11 April at
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Dear all,

Apologies for not being able to join today?s call! I had a meeting at the
same time and my agenda did not notify me about the clash.

Best,
Bruna

On Mon 11. Apr 2022 at 13:11, ICANN Policy Calendar <
PolicyCalendar at icann.org> wrote:

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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Mon Apr 11 17:11:12 2022
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 10:11:12 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council DNS abuse small team Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAM8DdeXBk87JCRbDOg_6L1faiqmMg9g-XazSS+kuVeudT=yH8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM8DdeXBk87JCRbDOg_6L1faiqmMg9g-XazSS+kuVeudT=yH8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5672b6b8-95dd-9bd1-52e7-1f1413713c12@KathyKleiman.com>

I support these questions and answers.

Best, Kathy

On 4/10/2022 7:34 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> As you must have read from the update Wisdom shared a while back, some 
> questions were asked during an outreach by the small team and though 
> our community didn't provide any feedback to Wisdom's email, I think 
> it will be a good idea for us to provide some sort of official 
> response to those questions back to the small team.
> N.B: I went to observe the small teams meeting last week and realised 
> that all other SGs have or are planning to provide responses to those 
> questions.
>
> I have taken the liberty to draft 
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing> 
> a few responses, which I hope you all can make changes to it as well 
> to better reflect our position on DNS abuse. The Google doc is here: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The Questions again are:
>
> What specific problem(s) would policy development in particular be 
> expected to address and why do you believe that policy development is 
> the right mechanism to solve those problems?
>
>
> Proposed Response: The NCSG does not believe there are any problems 
> discussed in the community that require policy development effort. 
> Moreover, a common definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with 
> ICANN?s bylaws and technical remit first needs to be adopted by the 
> community.
>
>
> What do you believe are the expected outcomes if policy development 
> would be undertaken, taking into account the remit of ICANN and more 
> specifically GNSO policy development in this context?
>
>
> Proposed Response: None, since we do not see any problem requiring 
> policy development.
>
>
> Do you (or your community group) have any expectations with regards to 
> possible next steps the GNSO Council could or should undertake in the 
> context of policy development?
>
>
> Proposed Response: Our expectation of next steps is for a common 
> community definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with ICANN?s 
> bylaws and technical remit.
>
>
> Tomslin
>
>
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Tue Apr 12 00:22:06 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:22:06 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay, chat - 11 April 2022
Message-ID: <69ACCACE-56D6-4BD6-B25F-54549E1863E9@icann.org>

Dear NCSG members,

Please find attendees, replay, and chat details for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 11 April 2022 at 11:30 UTC. The transcript will be sent upon completion.  Thank you!

Kind regards,
Andrea and Brenda


Attendees:  Avri Doria, Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bruna Martins dos Santos, Daniel Charles, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito, Farell Folly, Juan Manuel Rojas, Kathy Kleiman, Kenneth Herman, Manju Chen, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Razoana Moslam, Robin Gross, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Wisdom Donkor | ICANN Org:  Andrea Glandon, Brenda Brewer, Carlos Reyes

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From manju at nii.org.tw  Tue Apr 12 06:04:11 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 11:04:11 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <CAMeQZi1uqMyskNpmqkb5M6zstoXkpebOK8UJrBvKRf68dHkT1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
 <53C7C97B-A842-4F43-A04B-A17128E4CBEB@icann.org>
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Hi all,

As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)

You can find the statement here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing

Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!


Best,
Manju

On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi Tomslin and all,
>
> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council meeting
> this week.
> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late motion.
> I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if
> they want to propose the motion.
>
> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
> policy call.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Manju,
>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
>> representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi team,
>>>
>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>> small team.
>>>
>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>> Council level.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
>>> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
>>> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
>>> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
>>> material and edits:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Manju
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>
>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
>>>> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
>>>> the document.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>>>>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>>>>>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>>>>> attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>>>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
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>>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
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>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 21:08:39 2022
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:08:39 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [ncsg-dns-abuse-wg] GNSO Council DNS abuse small team
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Hi Tomslin

Thanks for this. I think generally it's good but asking for a definition
might open doors to other problems.

Here is DNSAI response to the council small team letter:
https://dnsabuseinstitute.org/dnsai-response-gnso-small-team-dns-abuse/

Basically Graeme is suggesting micro narrowly focused pdps on issues
related to ICANN mandate. But I find it a curious suggestion. Does he mean
they should have PDPs on each kind of DNS abuse that are in ICANN's
registrar agreement?


Farzaneh


On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 7:35 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar via ncsg-dns-abuse-wg <
ncsg-dns-abuse-wg at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> As you must have read from the update Wisdom shared a while back, some
> questions were asked during an outreach by the small team and though our
> community didn't provide any feedback to Wisdom's email, I think it will be
> a good idea for us to provide some sort of official response to those
> questions back to the small team.
> N.B: I went to observe the small teams meeting last week and realised that
> all other SGs have or are planning to provide responses to those questions.
>
> I have taken the liberty to draft
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing>
> a few responses, which I hope you all can make changes to it as well to
> better reflect our position on DNS abuse. The Google doc is here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hg468obYDwylFQ6q-3AX6m7UxZvNY1EXGpBFJ-WVd_0/edit?usp=sharing
>
> The Questions again are:
>
> What specific problem(s) would policy development in particular be
> expected to address and why do you believe that policy development is the
> right mechanism to solve those problems?
>
> Proposed Response: The NCSG does not believe there are any problems
> discussed in the community that require policy development effort.
> Moreover, a common definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with
> ICANN?s bylaws and technical remit first needs to be adopted by the
> community.
>
> What do you believe are the expected outcomes if policy development would
> be undertaken, taking into account the remit of ICANN and more specifically
> GNSO policy development in this context?
>
> Proposed Response: None, since we do not see any problem requiring policy
> development.
>
> Do you (or your community group) have any expectations with regards to
> possible next steps the GNSO Council could or should undertake in the
> context of policy development?
>
> Proposed Response: Our expectation of next steps is for a common
> community definition of DNS abuse which is in alignment with ICANN?s bylaws
> and technical remit.
>
> Tomslin
>
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 12:17:08 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:17:08 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
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Dear all,

So, from our list of councilors, I have the following names confirmed to
attend ICANN74 in person:

Manju Chen
Farell Folly
Juan Manuel Rojas
Wisdom Donkor

The Councilors that will not be attending onsite are:
Tomslin Samme-Nlar
Stephanie Perrin

I will try to issue a process for filling these two slots today but if you
think there is anyone involved with our policy work - aka. Kathy, Milton,
Rafik, Farzaneh - that should take the two remaining slots please let me
know asap.

Best,
Bruna

On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 4:19 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi Bruna,
>
> I plan to attend the meeting in person.
> Many thanks!
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 1:32 AM Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bruna,
>> I will be attending.
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Hope this email finds everyone well!
>>>>
>>>> As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
>>>> that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know
>>>> whether you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For
>>>> those who are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we
>>>> kindly ask that you reply to this email so that we can select a
>>>> substitute.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Bruna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>>> Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>>>> Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor Travelers
>>>> Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
>>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>,
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <
>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a
>>>> timely fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to
>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org by *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be
>>>> submitted by deadline of 15 April 2022.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>>>> funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
>>>> OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
>>>> confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>>>>
>>>> *WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an
>>>>    acknowledgement and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is
>>>>    built in the ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for
>>>>    in-person participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this
>>>>    specific link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation
>>>>    Email.? Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement
>>>>    and waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they
>>>>    are able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
>>>>    travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
>>>>    more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
>>>>    Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>>>>    can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
>>>>    can be shared with funded travelers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
>>>> understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
>>>> Guidelines.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international
>>>> travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and
>>>> exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
>>>> requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific
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>>>> their local government international traveler websites.
>>>>
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>>>>    their location, visit
>>>>    https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.
>>>>    - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that
>>>>    provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.
>>>>     If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry
>>>>    requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are
>>>>    confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as
>>>>    engaging.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
>>>> opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
>>>> We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
>>>> their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
>>>> options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
>>>> Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
>>>> travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminder:
>>>>
>>>>    - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>>>>    funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
>>>>    NOT* book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>>>>    - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of
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>>>>    Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our
>>>>    privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
>>>> fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the
>>>> following into consideration:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your
>>>> upcoming travel.
>>>>
>>>> 2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please
>>>> make sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN
>>>> travel team to let them know you will need a visa.
>>>>
>>>> 3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case
>>>> by case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
>>>> deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
>>>> as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
>>>> issues.
>>>>
>>>> 4.               If possible please book direct travel
>>>> requests. Detours and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>>>>
>>>> 5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the
>>>> ICANN meeting venue.
>>>>
>>>> 6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting
>>>> is *ARRIVAL: 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>>>>
>>>> 7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be
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>>>> ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent to them.
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>>>> reservation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Many thanks for your cooperation!
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Terri*
>>>>
>>>> *            ---*
>>>>
>>>> *Terri Agnew*
>>>>
>>>> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>>>>
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>
>>>> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events are
>>>> located on the GNSO Master Calendar
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>
>>>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>>
>>>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>>>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>>>
>>>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Wed Apr 13 18:08:30 2022
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:08:30 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
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I said i was coming, what do I have to do to claim my own slot?

Stephanie PErrin

On 2022-04-13 5:17 a.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> So, from our list of councilors, I have the following names confirmed 
> to attend ICANN74 in person:
>
> Manju Chen
> Farell Folly
> Juan Manuel Rojas
> Wisdom Donkor
>
> The Councilors that will not be attending onsite are:
> Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> I will try to issue a process for filling these two slots today but if 
> you think there is anyone involved with our policy work - aka. Kathy, 
> Milton, Rafik, Farzaneh - that should take the two remaining slots 
> please let me know asap.
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 4:19 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Bruna,
>
>     I plan to attend the meeting in person.
>     Many?thanks!
>
>     Best,
>     Manju
>
>     On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 1:32 AM Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>
>         Hello Bruna,
>         I will be?attending.
>
>         On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>         <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>             I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>
>             Warmly,
>             Tomslin
>
>             On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos,
>             <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 Hey all,
>
>                 Hope this email finds everyone well!
>
>                 As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted
>                 in The Hague. For that, we need to submit the
>                 councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>
>                 Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to
>                 let me know whether you are planning to attend ICANN74
>                 by Thursday, April 14th. For those who are not able or
>                 comfortable to attend meetings yet, we kindly ask that
>                 you reply to this email?so that we can select a
>                 substitute.
>
>                 Best,
>                 Bruna
>
>
>
>                 ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>                 From: *Terri Agnew* <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>                 Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>                 Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
>                 Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due |
>                 Thursday, 14 April 2022
>                 To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>,
>                 mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea
>                 Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>                 Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
>                 Dear all,
>
>                 In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in
>                 The Hauge in a timely fashion, please submit your
>                 ICANN74 Meeting database to gnso-secs at icann.orgby
>                 *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be submitted by
>                 deadline of 15 April 2022.
>
>                 As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming
>                 Councilors get funding, as well as the then-incumbent
>                 Councilors.
>
>                 A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa
>                 issues and the OFAC review. The deadline for
>                 submissions is critical to allow for confirmed
>                 reservation numbers as required for visa and travel
>                 arrangements.
>
>                 *_WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS_*
>
>
>
>                  1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an
>                     acknowledgement and waiver for ICANN74. This
>                     acknowledgement and waiver is built in the ICANN74
>                     Registration for anyone that is registering for
>                     in-person participation. Funded Travelers will
>                     need to register using this specific link which
>                     will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation
>                     Email.? Funded travelers are expected to comply
>                     with the acknowledgement and waiver. If they are
>                     unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they
>                     are able to participate in the meeting remotely
>                     and their request to have travel funding will be
>                     provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
>                     more information about the specific support that
>                     will be offered to Funded Travelers in the case of
>                     emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>                     can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with
>                     the attached document that can be shared with
>                     funded travelers.
>
>                 *NOTE:*The acknowledgement includes that Funded
>                 Travelers have read, understand, and agree to comply
>                 with the Community Travel Support Guidelines.
>
>                 https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>                 <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf>
>
>
>                 2. *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all
>                 international travel, all travelers have a
>                 responsibility to understand the entry and exit
>                 requirements of their travel and determine if they can
>                 meet those requirements before committing to the
>                 travel. Travelers may review specific travel
>                 requirements by visiting
>                 https://apply.joinsherpa.com/mapor their local
>                 government international traveler websites.
>
>                   * To see travel requirements to enter the
>                     Netherlands based on their location,
>                     visithttps://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en
>                     <https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en>.
>                   * ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy
>                     Forum that provides an equal opportunity for all
>                     to engage on important policy matters.If funded
>                     travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the
>                     entry requirements as outlined by the government
>                     of the Netherlands, we are confident they will
>                     find the virtual participation experience equally
>                     as engaging.
>
>                 3. *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
>                 opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded
>                 travelers experience. We are happy to announce that
>                 all funded travelers are now able to book their travel
>                 using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous
>                 booking options with a live person agent with FCM are
>                 still available to Funded Travelers. Instructions on
>                 how to book travel will be provided to funded
>                 travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>
>                 Reminder:
>
>                   * GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel
>                     accommodation funding, a hotel room is
>                     automatically secured for you, please *DO NOT*
>                     book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>                   * All personal data provided to ICANN org in for
>                     purposes of providing travel support for
>                     participants related to ICANN events will be
>                     processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy
>                     Policy [icann.org]
>                     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.?
>                     Should you have any questions or concerns about
>                     this Privacy Policy and our privacy practices, you
>                     may contact us at privacy at icann.org.
>
>                 Please note that when requesting travel support, in
>                 the interest of fairness and in light of budget
>                 restrictions?we would like you to take the following
>                 into consideration:
>
>                 1.Respond?timely to ICANN Travel regarding your
>                 upcoming travel.
>
>                 2.If you require a visa to enter the country, please
>                 make sure to acquire your visa immediately.?Please
>                 contact the ICANN travel team to let them know you
>                 will need a visa.
>
>                 3.Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case
>                 by case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added
>                 after the 90-day deadline are subject to availability,
>                 may NOT be placed in the same hotel as their funded
>                 traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to
>                 visa issues.
>
>                 4.If possible please book?direct travel
>                 requests.?Detours and multi-stop trips are
>                 unfortunately not guaranteed.
>
>                 5.Strictly limit your travel from your home to the
>                 ICANN meeting venue.
>
>                 6.Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting
>                 is *ARRIVAL: 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>
>                 7.If travelers want to extend their stay this must be
>                 done at their own expense and should contact the hotel
>                 directly once the ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent
>                 to them.
>
>                 8./Privately Booked Reservations/:?ICANN will not
>                 refund or take over accommodations directly booked by
>                 the funded traveler. If a replacement has an existing
>                 hotel reservation, they will need to cancel their
>                 reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over
>                 their reservation.
>
>                 ?Many thanks for your cooperation!
>
>                 Thank you.
>
>                 With kind regards,
>
>                 *Terri*
>
>                 *????????????---*
>
>                 *Terri Agnew*
>
>                 Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>
>                 Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>                 (ICANN)
>
>                 *Skype ID:*terri.agnew.icann
>
>                 Find out more about the GNSO by visiting:
>                 https://learn.icann.org/
>                 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>
>                 Follow @GNSO on Twitter:
>                 https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>                 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>
>                 Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and
>                 Council events are located on the GNSO Master
>                 Calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>
>                 -- 
>                 */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>                 /*
>
>                 German Chancellor Fellow 21'
>                 (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von Humboldt
>                 Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
>                 Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) |
>                 Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB)
>                 <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
>                 Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede
>                 <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>                 Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>                 <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>                 Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus
>                 <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
>                 Twitter: @boomartins
>                 <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype:
>                 bruna.martinsantos
>                 _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>                 _______________________________________________
>                 NCSG-PC mailing list
>                 NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>                 https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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>             https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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>         https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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>
>
> -- 
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> /*
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander 
> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum 
> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN 
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype: 
> bruna.martinsantos
> _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Wed Apr 13 18:59:51 2022
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 11:59:51 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
 on Closed Generics
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Hi Manju,

Great letter and great edits by Bruna.? I edited a few small things and 
then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO 
Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this 
small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our 
excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).? 
This will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the 
issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community on this matter - and to 
provide clear input? and guidance to the the small Committee for the 
negotiations that may lie ahead.

Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits 
of Bruna:

We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public 
comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as 
opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and 
interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.? This 
input will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO 
Community.? The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of 
the Council who will be leading this discussion - should it occur 
despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. 
How else will this small team - some with very, very long-held personal 
views on the subject - be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire 
GNSO Community?

I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan 
their email.

Best, Kathy

On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal 
> response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>
> You can find the statement here: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Tomslin and all,
>
>     Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>     meeting this week.
>     Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>     motion. I think?NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let
>     others handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>
>     I can share more details and answer questions today later during
>     our policy call.
>
>     Best,
>     Manju
>
>
>
>     On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         Hi Manju,
>         Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the
>         small team representation. Do you know when that deferral will
>         be brought to the council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in
>         my hundreds of emails.
>
>         Thanks again.
>         Tomslin
>
>
>         On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw>
>         wrote:
>
>             Hi team,
>
>             Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what
>             happened in the small team.
>
>             So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no
>             to the 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were
>             eager to dive into the discussion of how we engage with
>             GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but thankfully they
>             still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>             is that the small team is really not representative enough
>             to make the decision of whether the Council should meet
>             with the GAC. For now, we agreed to refer this back to the
>             Council and make the decision at the Council level.
>
>             I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no
>             when we're at the Council level. Also when this pops up,
>             we really have to have our statement ready?explaining why
>             we're saying no. I've put notes in the document Tomslin
>             created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>             reference material and edits:
>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>             We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement,
>             but I think it'd be an easy task now we have all the
>             contents.
>
>             Best,
>             Manju
>
>             On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>             <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                 Hi team,
>
>                 I just wanted to call your attention to this response
>                 we promised to put together on the board proposed
>                 dialogue between GAC and Council on closed generics.
>                 The Council small team is about to be activated to
>                 start deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen
>                 <mailto:manju at nii.org.tw>?who is representing us there
>                 hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide her
>                 contribution to that team.
>
>                 In this?regard, can I request that we find some time
>                 to please put our ideas down on the Google
>                 formhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
>                 Looking forward to your help with this. In the
>                 meantime, i'll review my meeting notes and put down
>                 some feedback we got during our policy call on the
>                 document.
>
>                 Warmly,
>                 Tomslin
>
>                 On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>                 <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                     Hi all,
>
>                     As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the
>                     board's proposed facilitated dialogue between GAC
>                     and GNSO council, I have created this Google doc [
>                     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>                     ] to capture our response to this proposal in the
>                     form of a letter to the council small team on
>                     Closed Generics.
>
>                     Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your
>                     convenience, attached again is the letter from the
>                     board and the accompanying framing paper.
>
>                     Regards,
>                     Tomslin
>
>
>                     On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>                     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>                         Dear everyone,
>
>                         Here is the framing paper on the board's
>                         proposed dialogue between GNSO Council and the
>                         GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>
>                         Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending
>                         a separate email with a link to the Google doc
>                         where we intend to draft a letter as a
>                         response to this.
>
>                         Regards,
>                         Tomslin
>
>
>                         ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>                         From: *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs*
>                         <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>                         Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>                         Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE]
>                         Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe
>                         Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed
>                         Generics
>                         To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org
>                         <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal Ismail
>                         <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>                         philippe.fouquart at orange.com
>                         <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
>                         gnso-chairs at icann.org <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>                         Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>,
>                         Correspondence <Correspondence at icann.org>,
>                         Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>                         gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>                         GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten
>                         Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>
>
>                         Dear Manal and Philippe,
>
>                         Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March
>                         2022, attached for reference), we are now
>                         forwarding the associated framework paper
>                         entitled ?Board-Facilitated Process for a GAC
>                         - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?,
>                         also attached.
>
>                         **
>
>                         Thank you and best regards,
>
>                         Wendy Profit
>
>                         ICANN
>
>                         Board Operations Senior Manager
>
>                         12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>
>                         Los Angeles, CA 90094
>
>                         *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>                         *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>                         *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org"
>                         <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>                         "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>                         "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>                         <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>                         *Cc: *Maarten Botterman
>                         <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>,
>                         "gnso-chairs at icann.org"
>                         <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF
>                         <gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org"
>                         <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN Board Ops
>                         <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence
>                         <Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary
>                         <secretary at icann.org>
>                         *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman
>                         to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart -
>                         GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>
>                         Dear Manal and Philippe,
>
>                         Please find the attached letter from ICANN
>                         Chair Maarten Botterman regarding a proposed
>                         formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO
>                         Council on how to handle the subject of closed
>                         generics in gTLD applications.
>
>                         Thank you and best regards,
>
>                         Wendy Profit
>
>                         ICANN
>
>                         Board Operations Senior Manager
>
>                         12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>
>                         Los Angeles, CA 90094
>
>                         _______________________________________________
>                         Gnso-chairs mailing list
>                         Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>                         https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
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>                         visit the Mailman link above to change your
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 19:51:37 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:51:37 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
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Hey Steph! I sent this email before you confirmed it to me!

Your slot is secured, I will send the list to staff tomorrow and you shall
receive an email afterwards.

Best,
B

On Wed 13. Apr 2022 at 17:08, Stephanie E Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I said i was coming, what do I have to do to claim my own slot?
>
> Stephanie PErrin
> On 2022-04-13 5:17 a.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> So, from our list of councilors, I have the following names confirmed to
> attend ICANN74 in person:
>
> Manju Chen
> Farell Folly
> Juan Manuel Rojas
> Wisdom Donkor
>
> The Councilors that will not be attending onsite are:
> Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> I will try to issue a process for filling these two slots today but if you
> think there is anyone involved with our policy work - aka. Kathy, Milton,
> Rafik, Farzaneh - that should take the two remaining slots please let me
> know asap.
>
> Best,
> Bruna
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 4:19 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bruna,
>>
>> I plan to attend the meeting in person.
>> Many thanks!
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 1:32 AM Wisdom Donkor <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bruna,
>>> I will be attending.
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>>>>
>>>> Warmly,
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos, <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this email finds everyone well!
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting hosted in The Hague. For
>>>>> that, we need to submit the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors - to let me know
>>>>> whether you are planning to attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For
>>>>> those who are not able or comfortable to attend meetings yet, we
>>>>> kindly ask that you reply to this email so that we can select a
>>>>> substitute.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Bruna
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>>>>> Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported Travelers/Contractor
>>>>> Travelers Database Due | Thursday, 14 April 2022
>>>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>,
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon <
>>>>> andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74 in The Hauge in a
>>>>> timely fashion, please submit your ICANN74 Meeting database to
>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org by *Thursday, 14 April 2022 *in order to be
>>>>> submitted by deadline of 15 April 2022.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming Councilors get
>>>>> funding, as well as the then-incumbent Councilors.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A timely response would be appreciated in view of visa issues and the
>>>>> OFAC review. The deadline for submissions is critical to allow for
>>>>> confirmed reservation numbers as required for visa and travel arrangements.
>>>>>
>>>>> *WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to sign an
>>>>>    acknowledgement and waiver for ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is
>>>>>    built in the ICANN74 Registration for anyone that is registering for
>>>>>    in-person participation. Funded Travelers will need to register using this
>>>>>    specific link which will be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation
>>>>>    Email.? Funded travelers are expected to comply with the acknowledgement
>>>>>    and waiver. If they are unable or unwilling to agree to these terms, they
>>>>>    are able to participate in the meeting remotely and their request to have
>>>>>    travel funding will be provided to another person. ICANN org will provide
>>>>>    more information about the specific support that will be offered to Funded
>>>>>    Travelers in the case of emergencies or other non-standard situations. You
>>>>>    can read the acknowledgment and waiver text with the attached document that
>>>>>    can be shared with funded travelers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *NOTE:* The acknowledgement includes that Funded Travelers have read,
>>>>> understand, and agree to comply with the Community Travel Support
>>>>> Guidelines.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.            *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all international
>>>>> travel, all travelers have a responsibility to understand the entry and
>>>>> exit requirements of their travel and determine if they can meet those
>>>>> requirements before committing to the travel. Travelers may review specific
>>>>> travel requirements by visiting https://apply.joinsherpa.com/map or
>>>>> their local government international traveler websites.
>>>>>
>>>>>    - To see travel requirements to enter the Netherlands based on
>>>>>    their location, visit
>>>>>    https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en.
>>>>>    - ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive Policy Forum that
>>>>>    provides an equal opportunity for all to engage on important policy matters.
>>>>>     If funded travelers are not eligible or cannot meet the entry
>>>>>    requirements as outlined by the government of the Netherlands, we are
>>>>>    confident they will find the virtual participation experience equally as
>>>>>    engaging.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.            *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used this
>>>>> opportunity to make some enhancements for our funded travelers experience.
>>>>> We are happy to announce that all funded travelers are now able to book
>>>>> their travel using Concur, an online travel booking tool. Previous booking
>>>>> options with a live person agent with FCM are still available to Funded
>>>>> Travelers. Instructions on how to book travel will be provided to funded
>>>>> travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Reminder:
>>>>>
>>>>>    - GNSO supported traveler with a designated hotel accommodation
>>>>>    funding, a hotel room is automatically secured for you, please *DO
>>>>>    NOT* book your own hotel as it is un-reimbursable.
>>>>>    - All personal data provided to ICANN org in for purposes of
>>>>>    providing travel support for participants related to ICANN events will be
>>>>>    processed in accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy [icann.org]
>>>>>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
>>>>>    Should you have any questions or concerns about this Privacy Policy and our
>>>>>    privacy practices, you may contact us at privacy at icann.org.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that when requesting travel support, in the interest of
>>>>> fairness and in light of budget restrictions we would like you to take the
>>>>> following into consideration:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.               Respond timely to ICANN Travel regarding your
>>>>> upcoming travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.               If you require a visa to enter the country, please
>>>>> make sure to acquire your visa immediately. Please contact the ICANN
>>>>> travel team to let them know you will need a visa.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.               Requests past the deadline will be handled on a case
>>>>> by case basis by ICANN. All additional travelers added after the 90-day
>>>>> deadline are subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the same hotel
>>>>> as their funded traveler groups, and may not be able to attend due to visa
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.               If possible please book direct travel
>>>>> requests. Detours and multi-stop trips are unfortunately not guaranteed.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5.               Strictly limit your travel from your home to the
>>>>> ICANN meeting venue.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6.               Approved date of arrival/departure for this meeting
>>>>> is *ARRIVAL: 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE: 17 June 2022*
>>>>>
>>>>> 7.               If travelers want to extend their stay this must be
>>>>> done at their own expense and should contact the hotel directly once the
>>>>> ICANN hotel confirmation has be sent to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8.               *Privately Booked Reservations*: ICANN will not
>>>>> refund or take over accommodations directly booked by the funded traveler.
>>>>> If a replacement has an existing hotel reservation, they will need to
>>>>> cancel their reservation and ICANN will not be able to take over their
>>>>> reservation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Many thanks for your cooperation!
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> *Terri*
>>>>>
>>>>> *            ---*
>>>>>
>>>>> *Terri Agnew*
>>>>>
>>>>> Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>>>>>
>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>
>>>>> *Skype ID:*  terri.agnew.icann
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Find out more about the GNSO by visiting: https://learn.icann.org/
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>> Follow @GNSO on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>> Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group and Council events
>>>>> are located on the GNSO Master Calendar
>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos  *
>>>>>
>>>>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>>>>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>>>>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>>>>
>>>>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
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>>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos  *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Apr 14 01:02:35 2022
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:02:35 -0400
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Sorry, I am having email send problems.? I guess you did not receive 
anything from me other than my skype message.

Hopefully fixed soon

On 2022-04-13 12:51 p.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Hey Steph! I sent this email before you confirmed it to me!
>
> Your slot is secured, I will send the list to staff tomorrow and you 
> shall receive an email afterwards.
>
> Best,
> B
>
> On Wed 13. Apr 2022 at 17:08, Stephanie E Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>     I said i was coming, what do I have to do to claim my own slot?
>
>     Stephanie PErrin
>
>     On 2022-04-13 5:17 a.m., Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
>>     Dear all,
>>
>>     So, from our list of councilors, I have the following names
>>     confirmed to attend ICANN74 in person:
>>
>>     Manju Chen
>>     Farell Folly
>>     Juan Manuel Rojas
>>     Wisdom Donkor
>>
>>     The Councilors that will not be attending onsite are:
>>     Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>     Stephanie Perrin
>>
>>     I will try to issue a process for filling these two slots today
>>     but if you think there is anyone involved with our policy work -
>>     aka. Kathy, Milton, Rafik, Farzaneh - that should take the two
>>     remaining slots please let me know asap.
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Bruna
>>
>>     On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 4:19 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Bruna,
>>
>>         I plan to attend the meeting in person.
>>         Many?thanks!
>>
>>         Best,
>>         Manju
>>
>>         On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 1:32 AM Wisdom Donkor
>>         <wisdom.dk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>             Hello Bruna,
>>             I will be?attending.
>>
>>             On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:41 pm Tomslin Samme-Nlar,
>>             <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                 I will not be attending in person @Bruna.
>>
>>                 Warmly,
>>                 Tomslin
>>
>>                 On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 11:39 Bruna Martins dos Santos,
>>                 <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                     Hey all,
>>
>>                     Hope this email finds everyone well!
>>
>>                     As you know, ICANN74 will be a hybrid meeting
>>                     hosted in The Hague. For that, we need to submit
>>                     the councillors and NCSG travellers soon.
>>
>>                     Therefore, this email is to ask you - councillors
>>                     - to let me know whether you are planning to
>>                     attend ICANN74 by Thursday, April 14th. For those
>>                     who are not able or comfortable to attend
>>                     meetings yet, we kindly ask that you reply to
>>                     this email?so that we can select a substitute.
>>
>>                     Best,
>>                     Bruna
>>
>>
>>
>>                     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>                     From: *Terri Agnew* <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>                     Date: Thu 7. Apr 2022 at 04:39
>>                     Subject: ICANN74 | The Hague - Supported
>>                     Travelers/Contractor Travelers Database Due |
>>                     Thursday, 14 April 2022
>>                     To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>                     <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, mesumbeslin at gmail.com
>>                     <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>, Andrea Glandon
>>                     <andrea.glandon at icann.org>
>>                     Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>
>>
>>                     Dear all,
>>
>>                     In order to service your travel needs for ICANN74
>>                     in The Hauge in a timely fashion, please submit
>>                     your ICANN74 Meeting database to
>>                     gnso-secs at icann.orgby *Thursday, 14 April 2022
>>                     *in order to be submitted by deadline of 15 April
>>                     2022.
>>
>>                     As a reminder, for the AGM meeting only, incoming
>>                     Councilors get funding, as well as the
>>                     then-incumbent Councilors.
>>
>>                     A timely response would be appreciated in view of
>>                     visa issues and the OFAC review. The deadline for
>>                     submissions is critical to allow for confirmed
>>                     reservation numbers as required for visa and
>>                     travel arrangements.
>>
>>                     *_WHAT IS NEW FOR TRAVELERS_*
>>
>>
>>
>>                      1. *WAIVER*. Funded Travelers are expected to
>>                         sign an acknowledgement and waiver for
>>                         ICANN74. This acknowledgement and waiver is
>>                         built in the ICANN74 Registration for anyone
>>                         that is registering for in-person
>>                         participation. Funded Travelers will need to
>>                         register using this specific link which will
>>                         be sent on their ?Travel Funding Confirmation
>>                         Email.? Funded travelers are expected to
>>                         comply with the acknowledgement and waiver.
>>                         If they are unable or unwilling to agree to
>>                         these terms, they are able to participate in
>>                         the meeting remotely and their request to
>>                         have travel funding will be provided to
>>                         another person. ICANN org will provide more
>>                         information about the specific support that
>>                         will be offered to Funded Travelers in the
>>                         case of emergencies or other non-standard
>>                         situations. You can read the acknowledgment
>>                         and waiver text with the attached document
>>                         that can be shared with funded travelers.
>>
>>                     *NOTE:*The acknowledgement includes that Funded
>>                     Travelers have read, understand, and agree to
>>                     comply with the Community Travel Support Guidelines.
>>
>>                     https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf
>>                     <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/community-travel-support-guidelines-01jul20-en.pdf>
>>
>>
>>                     2. *TRAVEL ARRIVAL MEASURES*. As with all
>>                     international travel, all travelers have a
>>                     responsibility to understand the entry and exit
>>                     requirements of their travel and determine if
>>                     they can meet those requirements before
>>                     committing to the travel. Travelers may review
>>                     specific travel requirements by visiting
>>                     https://apply.joinsherpa.com/mapor their local
>>                     government international traveler websites.
>>
>>                       * To see travel requirements to enter the
>>                         Netherlands based on their location,
>>                         visithttps://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en
>>                         <https://reizentijdenscorona.rijksoverheid.nl/en>.
>>
>>                       * ICANN is committed to ensuring an inclusive
>>                         Policy Forum that provides an equal
>>                         opportunity for all to engage on important
>>                         policy matters.If funded travelers are not
>>                         eligible or cannot meet the entry
>>                         requirements as outlined by the government of
>>                         the Netherlands, we are confident they will
>>                         find the virtual participation experience
>>                         equally as engaging.
>>
>>                     3. *CONCUR*. During the pandemic, ICANN org used
>>                     this opportunity to make some enhancements for
>>                     our funded travelers experience. We are happy to
>>                     announce that all funded travelers are now able
>>                     to book their travel using Concur, an online
>>                     travel booking tool. Previous booking options
>>                     with a live person agent with FCM are still
>>                     available to Funded Travelers. Instructions on
>>                     how to book travel will be provided to funded
>>                     travelers who are confirmed and eligible.
>>
>>                     Reminder:
>>
>>                       * GNSO supported traveler with a designated
>>                         hotel accommodation funding, a hotel room is
>>                         automatically secured for you, please *DO
>>                         NOT* book your own hotel as it is
>>                         un-reimbursable.
>>                       * All personal data provided to ICANN org in
>>                         for purposes of providing travel support for
>>                         participants related to ICANN events will be
>>                         processed in accordance with the ICANN
>>                         Privacy Policy [icann.org]
>>                         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_privacy_policy&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=A_rkvV7hcBAIOU12pQX6fSkWBC6-P-bPaQDowX2oR_A&s=WwqcPGGS1mvkGHO5BjVc3E9ewPva_WoF-Snq25kq0OM&e=>.
>>                         Should you have any questions or concerns
>>                         about this Privacy Policy and our privacy
>>                         practices, you may contact us at
>>                         privacy at icann.org.
>>
>>                     Please note that when requesting travel support,
>>                     in the interest of fairness and in light of
>>                     budget restrictions?we would like you to take the
>>                     following into consideration:
>>
>>                     1.Respond?timely to ICANN Travel regarding your
>>                     upcoming travel.
>>
>>                     2.If you require a visa to enter the country,
>>                     please make sure to acquire your visa
>>                     immediately.?Please contact the ICANN travel team
>>                     to let them know you will need a visa.
>>
>>                     3.Requests past the deadline will be handled on a
>>                     case by case basis by ICANN. All additional
>>                     travelers added after the 90-day deadline are
>>                     subject to availability, may NOT be placed in the
>>                     same hotel as their funded traveler groups, and
>>                     may not be able to attend due to visa issues.
>>
>>                     4.If possible please book?direct travel
>>                     requests.?Detours and multi-stop trips are
>>                     unfortunately not guaranteed.
>>
>>                     5.Strictly limit your travel from your home to
>>                     the ICANN meeting venue.
>>
>>                     6.Approved date of arrival/departure for this
>>                     meeting is *ARRIVAL: 12 June 2022 and DEPARTURE:
>>                     17 June 2022*
>>
>>                     7.If travelers want to extend their stay this
>>                     must be done at their own expense and should
>>                     contact the hotel directly once the ICANN hotel
>>                     confirmation has be sent to them.
>>
>>                     8./Privately Booked Reservations/:?ICANN will not
>>                     refund or take over accommodations directly
>>                     booked by the funded traveler. If a replacement
>>                     has an existing hotel reservation, they will need
>>                     to cancel their reservation and ICANN will not be
>>                     able to take over their reservation.
>>
>>                     ?Many thanks for your cooperation!
>>
>>                     Thank you.
>>
>>                     With kind regards,
>>
>>                     *Terri*
>>
>>                     *????????????---*
>>
>>                     *Terri Agnew*
>>
>>                     Policy Operations Specialist (GNSO)
>>
>>                     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
>>                     Numbers (ICANN)
>>
>>                     *Skype ID:*terri.agnew.icann
>>
>>                     Find out more about the GNSO by visiting:
>>                     https://learn.icann.org/
>>                     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__learn.icann.org_&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=o7Auz997kA-HPv9PHJCjFVZw7Pgo8krw4MxfqCwBrIU&e=>
>>
>>                     Follow @GNSO on Twitter:
>>                     https://twitter.com/ICANN_GNSO
>>                     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_ICANN-5FGNSO&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=kWw4fQPNjw2lVKy1UjTxS2F0BmjEAzaDFWNmsYywbmE&e=>
>>
>>                     Transcripts and recordings of GNSO Working Group
>>                     and Council events are located on the GNSO Master
>>                     Calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=jLNFXvpu9gNdUeHi-G6sjWNCF9w4_AwhzzUDFZy2elE&s=-L6chFfv0OperrXHHpTF722WnH3FZIutn4cS16IvpOg&e=>
>>
>>                     -- 
>>                     */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>                     /*
>>
>>                     German Chancellor Fellow 21'
>>                     (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
>>                     Humboldt Foundation
>>                     <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>>                     Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) |
>>                     Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung
>>                     (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>>                     Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede
>>                     <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>                     Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>                     <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>                     Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus
>>                     <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>>                     Twitter: @boomartins
>>                     <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype:
>>                     bruna.martinsantos
>>                     _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu_?and
>>                     bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>                     _______________________________________________
>>                     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>                     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>                     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>                 _______________________________________________
>>                 NCSG-PC mailing list
>>                 NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>                 https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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>>             NCSG-PC mailing list
>>             NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>             https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>     */Bruna Martins dos Santos
>>     /*
>>
>>     German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) |
>>     Alexander von Humboldt Foundation
>>     <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>>     Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) |
>>     Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB)
>>     <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>>     Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>     Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>     <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>     Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>>     Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype:
>>     bruna.martinsantos
>>     _bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu_?and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> -- 
> */Bruna Martins dos Santos
> /*
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander 
> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum 
> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair?| Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN 
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator?| Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins>?// Skype: 
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From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:27:07 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO Consultation
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Hi Manju.

Thanks for this,
I understand that letter will be sent to council and leadership but I think
it should be shared with wider NCSG list to inform them too while
acknowledging the timing.

Best,

Rafik
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 12:04 ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
> to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>
> You can find the statement here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>
>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>> meeting this week.
>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>
>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>> policy call.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Manju,
>>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small
>>> team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>>> small team.
>>>>
>>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>>> Council level.
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at
>>>> the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>>> statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>> document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>>> reference material and edits:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Manju
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review
>>>>> my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call
>>>>> on the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>>>>> attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing
>>>>>> paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with
>>>>>>> a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>>>>>> attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>>>>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>>>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
>>>>>>> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the
>>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
>>>>>>> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 02:38:37 2022
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 08:38:37 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
 Consultation on Closed Generics
In-Reply-To: <83618385-bdbb-5b9c-40e7-cc34d17f0797@KathyKleiman.com>
References: <E449F96F-014F-4C70-8CC2-F2BA4BA2BA51@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThk8kcPWV1EQtS3yNfGe95_bDZ3WsGEzqo-FCNa-KK32Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public
comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to
bring their input.

Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing
this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would
be involved.  Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not
through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment
with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the
door just for tactical gain.

If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the rules
of engagement and scope for any discussion.

Best.

Rafik

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <
ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> Hi Manju,
>
> Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I edited a few small things and
> then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO
> Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this
> small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
> excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).  This
> will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o
> the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input  and
> guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
> ahead.
>
> Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits of
> Bruna:
>
> We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public
> comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as
> opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
> interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input
> will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.
> The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
> who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep
> concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this
> small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject -
> be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>
> I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan their
> email.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
> to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>
> You can find the statement here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>
>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>> meeting this week.
>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>
>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>> policy call.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Manju,
>>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small
>>> team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi team,
>>>>
>>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>>> small team.
>>>>
>>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>>> Council level.
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at
>>>> the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>>> statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>> document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>>> reference material and edits:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Manju
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>>>>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>>>>> ideas down on the Google form
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review
>>>>> my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call
>>>>> on the document.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>>>>> attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing
>>>>>> paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with
>>>>>>> a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>>>>>>> attached.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>>>>> <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>>>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
>>>>>>> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the
>>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
>>>>>>> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Apr 14 02:39:01 2022
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 19:39:01 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Article on Small Team Proposal to the GNSO Council
In-Reply-To: <082101d84f54$a049ade0$e0dd09a0$@palage.com>
References: <082101d84f54$a049ade0$e0dd09a0$@palage.com>
Message-ID: <6283cf33-3a61-7cbd-0d69-3fb9ea66662d@mail.utoronto.ca>

Here is Palage's missive.? I go bonkers when I see these unsigned, 
untitled, undated documents circulating.....having tried to do a 
dissertation by going through all the documentation on 20 years of 
arguments, let me assure you this is not the first time a badly 
attributed documented roamed into our GNSO corral.

cheers SP.

PS don't be surprised if tomorrow's meeting goes longer than it should......




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Article on Small Team Proposal to the GNSO Council
Date: 	Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:36:26 -0400
From: 	Michael Palage <michael at palage.com>
Reply-To: 	michael at palage.com
To: 	'Alan Greenberg' <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>, 'Stephanie E Perrin' 
<stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, john.mcelwaine at nelsonmullins.com, 
pmcgrady at taftlaw.com, Sebastien at registry.godaddy, 'Kapin, Laureen' 
<LKAPIN at ftc.gov>, 'Olga Cavalli' <olgacavalli at gmail.com>, 'Thomas 
Rickert | rickert.law' <thomas at rickert.law>, 'Sarah Wyld' 
<swyld at tucows.com>, 'Steve DelBianco' <sdelbianco at netchoice.org>, 'Becky 
Burr' <becky.burr at board.icann.org>, 'Steve Crocker' <steve at shinkuro.com>
CC: 	'Marika Konings' <marika.konings at icann.org>



Hello All,

Attached is a document which comments on the proposed Small Team 
recommendations to the GNSO Council.

Over the last week we have presented our reference implementation of an 
SSAD Sandbox to the BC and IPC. ?In fact, both Steve and Paul 
participated in those sessions. ?We believe this reference 
implementation addresses ALL of the original EPDP Phase 2 
recommendations as adopted by the GNSO Council. ?It would really be nice 
if the Small Team and ICANN Org could make fact based policy decisions 
on what is technically and cost efficiently possible before prematurely 
scaling back EPDP Phase 2 recommendations based upon flawed financial 
assumptions.

To be clear we are just asking the Small Team or ICANN Org to invite ALL 
interested parties to show what is possible, before 
suspending/disregarding a Super Majority vote of the GNSO Council on the 
EPDP Phase 2 recommendations.

Best regards,

Michael
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 14:04:54 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:04:54 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Letter from Bruna Santos to Philippe Fouquart - NCSG
 Response to the Board's Proposal for a Council-GAC dialogue on Closed
 Generics
Message-ID: <CADAEEV3hXuMPMR2rycEkiTyUe3cKxTN04K4ROV5-CNSp064=NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Philippe, Sebastien and Tomslin,

I hope this email finds you well.

Please find attached  NCSGs letter in *response to the Board's Proposal for
a GNSO Council & GAC dialogue on Closed Generics, *to yours and GNSO
council appreciation.

We trust that this communication will provide the council with the current
concerns shared by our part of the community and represents some of the
internal discussions hosted at NCSG about the Board's recommendation of a
dialogue with the GAC.

We look forward to continuing our conversations with the GNSO Council and
the ICANN Board regarding the Closed Generics.

-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 14:27:38 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 13:27:38 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Letter from Bruna Santos to Philippe Fouquart - NCSG
 Response to the Board's Proposal for a Council-GAC dialogue on Closed
 Generics
In-Reply-To: <CADAEEV3hXuMPMR2rycEkiTyUe3cKxTN04K4ROV5-CNSp064=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADAEEV3hXuMPMR2rycEkiTyUe3cKxTN04K4ROV5-CNSp064=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADAEEV15Py_XDuUhWtB2e2Q-=FbqVcO2XAYSj9sk+RE2F5zE3w@mail.gmail.com>

Resending the version of the letter in PDF format.

Best,
Bruna Santos

On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Philippe, Sebastien and Tomslin,
>
> I hope this email finds you well.
>
> Please find attached  NCSGs letter in *response to the Board's Proposal
> for a GNSO Council & GAC dialogue on Closed Generics, *to yours and GNSO
> council appreciation.
>
> We trust that this communication will provide the council with the current
> concerns shared by our part of the community and represents some of the
> internal discussions hosted at NCSG about the Board's recommendation of a
> dialogue with the GAC.
>
> We look forward to continuing our conversations with the GNSO Council and
> the ICANN Board regarding the Closed Generics.
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>


-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 15:36:59 2022
From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:36:59 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Letter from Bruna Santos to Philippe Fouquart - NCSG
 Response to the Board's Proposal for a Council-GAC dialogue on Closed
 Generics
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Dear all,

Apologies but there seems to be a problem at my end while saving the
document. I?m trying to submit - once again - a PDF version of the letter
attached.

I?m sorry for overburdening you with emails!

Best,
Bruna

On Thu 14. Apr 2022 at 13:27, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Resending the version of the letter in PDF format.
>
> Best,
> Bruna Santos
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Philippe, Sebastien and Tomslin,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well.
>>
>> Please find attached  NCSGs letter in *response to the Board's Proposal
>> for a GNSO Council & GAC dialogue on Closed Generics, *to yours and GNSO
>> council appreciation.
>>
>> We trust that this communication will provide the council with the
>> current concerns shared by our part of the community and represents some of
>> the internal discussions hosted at NCSG about the Board's recommendation of
>> a dialogue with the GAC.
>>
>> We look forward to continuing our conversations with the GNSO Council and
>> the ICANN Board regarding the Closed Generics.
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander
>> von Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>>
>> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum
>> Berlin f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>>
>> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
> f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>
>
> Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> *bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>
-- 

*Bruna Martins dos Santos *

German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>

Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
f?r Sozialforschung (WZB) <https://wzb.eu/en>

Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>

Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
*bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu <bruna.martinsdossantos at wzb.eu>* and
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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From brenda.brewer at icann.org  Mon Apr 18 19:30:38 2022
From: brenda.brewer at icann.org (Brenda Brewer)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:30:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] FW: NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay,
 chat - 11 April 2022
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Good day NCSG Members,

Please see attached the transcript for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 11 April 2022 at 11:30 UTC. Thank you.

Best,
Andrea & Brenda

From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Date: Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:22 PM
To: "ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>, Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
Subject: NCSG Policy Call - attendees, replay, chat - 11 April 2022

Dear NCSG members,

Please find attendees, replay, and chat details for the NCSG Monthly Policy Call held Monday, 11 April 2022 at 11:30 UTC. The transcript will be sent upon completion.  Thank you!

Kind regards,
Andrea and Brenda


Attendees:  Avri Doria, Benjamin Akinmoyeje, Bruna Martins dos Santos, Daniel Charles, Ephraim Percy Kenyanito, Farell Folly, Juan Manuel Rojas, Kathy Kleiman, Kenneth Herman, Manju Chen, Poncelet Ileleji, Rafik Dammak, Razoana Moslam, Robin Gross, Shah Zahidur Rahman, Stephanie Perrin, Tomslin Samme-Nlar, Wisdom Donkor | ICANN Org:  Andrea Glandon, Brenda Brewer, Carlos Reyes

Zoom Replay Link: \ https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/42g_Lvdj3EYNSp1WkLEVFZa6mMv2G2aNpiWw26HIP1423FJE_WXvaI-Vvefy8q5JcKwUZmk6zNWPNiZt.I6c947Laea4NEGPV

Zoom Audio Link: https://icann.zoom.us/rec/play/b8siW3Tmi1zsiTHhp-9WFywkqzB26_0jpVzeboR2aZU9Dq0DmEj673xmGNtNoGkrIsLvwOPl7CDQAbTz.H5037eExYDM0TKIh

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From manju at nii.org.tw  Fri Apr 22 05:30:06 2022
From: manju at nii.org.tw (=?UTF-8?B?6Zmz5pu86Iy5IE1hbmp1IENoZW4=?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 10:30:06 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
 Consultation on Closed Generics
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Hi all,

Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the
dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.
I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice our
opinions during the latter process, the first step being broadening the
dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not limited to
Councilors.

Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are
discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection should be
included in the response.

My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's response
and send our letter to the Board ourselves. But I'd like to know what you
think.

Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week so
we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).

Any suggestions are welcome!


Best,
Manju


On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public
> comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to
> bring their input.
>
> Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing
> this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would
> be involved.  Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not
> through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment
> with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the
> door just for tactical gain.
>
> If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the
> rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>
> Best.
>
> Rafik
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <
> ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> Hi Manju,
>>
>> Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I edited a few small things and
>> then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO
>> Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this
>> small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
>> excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).  This
>> will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o
>> the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input  and
>> guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
>> ahead.
>>
>> Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits
>> of Bruna:
>>
>> We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public
>> comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as
>> opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
>> interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input
>> will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.
>> The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
>> who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep
>> concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this
>> small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject -
>> be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>>
>> I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan
>> their email.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>> On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal
>> response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>>
>> You can find the statement here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>>
>>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>>> meeting this week.
>>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>>
>>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>>> policy call.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Manju
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Manju,
>>>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small
>>>> team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>>>>> small team.
>>>>>
>>>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>>>> Council level.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at
>>>>> the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>>>> statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>>> document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>>>> reference material and edits:
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>>>>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Manju
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who
>>>>>> is representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put
>>>>>> our ideas down on the Google form
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review
>>>>>> my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call
>>>>>> on the document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>>>>>> attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing
>>>>>>> paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with
>>>>>>>> a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten Botterman <
>>>>>>>> maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?,
>>>>>>>> also attached.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "
>>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
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From Kathy at KathyKleiman.com  Fri Apr 22 19:49:19 2022
From: Kathy at KathyKleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 12:49:19 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
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Hi Manju,

This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other 
Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here. /
/

/Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter of 
objection to their response - or do they want to select parts of it? /

If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever terms 
/we//would like to include in the Council letter /- with a clear and 
prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-? 
then would it make it easier for the Board to see our concerns??? One 
place, one document to read (?)

Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending it 
separately makes sense.? Also perhaps there are advantages to sending it 
separately that I may not be seeing.

But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known, very-opinionated, 
and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors to the GAC (not including 
Manju, of course!) without guidance from the GNSO Community is a 
distortion and misuse of the policy development process.

Best, Kathy

On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the 
> dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.
> I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice 
> our opinions during the latter process, the?first step being 
> broadening the dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, 
> not limited to Councilors.
>
> Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are 
> discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection 
> should be included in the response.
>
> My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's 
> response and send our letter to the?Board ourselves. But I'd like to 
> know what you think.
>
> Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week 
> so we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).
>
> Any suggestions are welcome!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>
>     I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of
>     public comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and
>     are supposed to bring their input.
>
>     Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about
>     discussing this issue with GAC but public comment means another
>     group like ALAC would be involved.? Any wider discussion should be
>     then done within PDP and not through ad-hoc approach. I can see
>     there might be some possible alignment with ALAC in the topic
>     (just an assumption) but I would object to open the door just for
>     tactical gain.
>
>     If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss
>     the rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>
>     Best.
>
>     Rafik
>
>     On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro
>     <ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>         Hi Manju,
>
>         Great letter and great edits by Bruna.? I edited a few small
>         things and then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we
>         would like the GNSO Council to hold a comment period to
>         provide input and guidance to this small group of individuals
>         appointed to talk to the GAC (should our excellent and
>         well-founded objections to the process be overruled).? This
>         will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the
>         issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community on this matter -
>         and to provide clear input? and guidance to the the small
>         Committee for the negotiations that may lie ahead.
>
>         Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju
>         and edits of Bruna:
>
>         We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council
>         seek public comment from the community on how to proceed with
>         Closed Generics, as opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with
>         the GAC where the scope and interlocutors of such dialogue is
>         dictated by the ICANN Board.? This input will provide the
>         Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.? The
>         Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the
>         Council who will be leading this discussion - should it occur
>         despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process and
>         precedent. How else will this small team - some with very,
>         very long-held personal views on the subject - be bound to a
>         discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>
>         I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend
>         to scan their email.
>
>         Best, Kathy
>
>         On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>
>>         Hi all,
>>
>>         As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our
>>         formal response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>>
>>         You can find the statement here:
>>         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>         Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly
>>         appreciated!
>>
>>
>>         Best,
>>         Manju
>>
>>         On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen
>>         <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Tomslin and all,
>>
>>             Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in
>>             the Council meeting this week.
>>             Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could
>>             propose a late motion. I think?NCSG is not in a hurry
>>             about this, so I'll let others handle it if they want to
>>             propose the motion.
>>
>>             I can share more details and answer questions today later
>>             during our policy call.
>>
>>             Best,
>>             Manju
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>             <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi Manju,
>>                 Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there
>>                 with the small team representation. Do you know when
>>                 that deferral will be brought to the council's
>>                 attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>
>>                 Thanks again.
>>                 Tomslin
>>
>>
>>                 On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen
>>                 <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>>                     Hi team,
>>
>>                     Borrowing this thread to report back to you about
>>                     what happened in the small team.
>>
>>                     So as you might have guessed, I was the only one
>>                     saying no to the 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff,
>>                     Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>                     discussion of how we engage with GAC in this
>>                     'facilitated dialogue' but thankfully they still
>>                     respected our objection. My first point of
>>                     objection is that the small team is really not
>>                     representative enough to make the decision of
>>                     whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For
>>                     now, we agreed to refer this back to the Council
>>                     and make the decision at the Council level.
>>
>>                     I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one
>>                     saying no when we're at the Council level. Also
>>                     when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>                     statement ready?explaining why we're saying no.
>>                     I've put notes in the document Tomslin created
>>                     and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>                     reference material and edits:
>>                     https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>                     We will still need to phrase them into a formal
>>                     statement, but I think it'd be an easy task now
>>                     we have all the contents.
>>
>>                     Best,
>>                     Manju
>>
>>                     On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin
>>                     Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                         Hi team,
>>
>>                         I just wanted to call your attention to this
>>                         response we promised to put together on the
>>                         board proposed dialogue between GAC and
>>                         Council on closed generics. The Council small
>>                         team is about to be activated to start
>>                         deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen
>>                         <mailto:manju at nii.org.tw>?who is representing
>>                         us there hopes to rely on the response we pen
>>                         down to guide her contribution to that team.
>>
>>                         In this?regard, can I request that we find
>>                         some time to please put our ideas down on the
>>                         Google
>>                         formhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>                         Looking forward to your help with this. In
>>                         the meantime, i'll review my meeting notes
>>                         and put down some feedback we got during our
>>                         policy call on the document.
>>
>>                         Warmly,
>>                         Tomslin
>>
>>                         On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin
>>                         Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                             Hi all,
>>
>>                             As a follow-up to my previous email
>>                             regarding the board's proposed
>>                             facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO
>>                             council, I have created this Google doc [
>>                             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>                             ] to capture our response to this
>>                             proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>                             council small team on Closed Generics.
>>
>>                             Inputs to the document are welcomed and
>>                             for your convenience, attached again is
>>                             the letter from the board and the
>>                             accompanying framing paper.
>>
>>                             Regards,
>>                             Tomslin
>>
>>
>>                             On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin
>>                             Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                                 Dear everyone,
>>
>>                                 Here is the framing paper on the
>>                                 board's proposed dialogue between
>>                                 GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed
>>                                 Generics that was promised.
>>
>>                                 Comments are welcomed. I will also be
>>                                 sending a separate email with a link
>>                                 to the Google doc where we intend to
>>                                 draft a letter as a response to this.
>>
>>                                 Regards,
>>                                 Tomslin
>>
>>
>>                                 ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>                                 From: *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs*
>>                                 <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>                                 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>                                 Subject: [gnso-chairs]
>>                                 [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to
>>                                 Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart -
>>                                 GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>                                 To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org
>>                                 <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
>>                                 Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>>                                 philippe.fouquart at orange.com
>>                                 <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
>>                                 gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>                                 <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>                                 Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>,
>>                                 Correspondence
>>                                 <Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops
>>                                 Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>                                 gnso-secs at icann.org
>>                                 <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF
>>                                 <gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten
>>                                 Botterman
>>                                 <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>
>>
>>                                 Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>
>>                                 Pursuant to the letter sent recently
>>                                 (6 March 2022, attached for
>>                                 reference), we are now forwarding the
>>                                 associated framework paper entitled
>>                                 ?Board-Facilitated Process for a GAC
>>                                 - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed
>>                                 Generics?, also attached.
>>
>>                                 **
>>
>>                                 Thank you and best regards,
>>
>>                                 Wendy Profit
>>
>>                                 ICANN
>>
>>                                 Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>>                                 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>
>>                                 Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>
>>                                 *From: *Wendy Profit
>>                                 <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>                                 *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>                                 *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org"
>>                                 <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>                                 "manal at tra.gov.eg"
>>                                 <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>>                                 "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>                                 <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>                                 *Cc: *Maarten Botterman
>>                                 <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>,
>>                                 "gnso-chairs at icann.org"
>>                                 <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF
>>                                 <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>>                                 "gnso-secs at icann.org"
>>                                 <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN Board
>>                                 Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>                                 Correspondence
>>                                 <Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary
>>                                 <secretary at icann.org>
>>                                 *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten
>>                                 Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>                                 Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO
>>                                 Consultation on Closed Generics
>>
>>                                 Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>
>>                                 Please find the attached letter from
>>                                 ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>                                 regarding a proposed formal
>>                                 consultation between the GAC and GNSO
>>                                 Council on how to handle the subject
>>                                 of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>
>>                                 Thank you and best regards,
>>
>>                                 Wendy Profit
>>
>>                                 ICANN
>>
>>                                 Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>>                                 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>
>>                                 Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>
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Hi all,

I think the council has now decided not to include the letter. So I guess
that leaves us to send it to the board ourselves?

Tomslin


On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> Hi Manju,
>
> This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other
> Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here.
>
> *Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter of
> objection to their response - or do they want to select parts of it? *
>
> If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever terms
> *we** would like to include in the Council letter *- with a clear and
> prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-  then
> would it make it easier for the Board to see our concerns?   One place, one
> document to read (?)
>
> Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending it
> separately makes sense.  Also perhaps there are advantages to sending it
> separately that I may not be seeing.
>
> But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known, very-opinionated,
> and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors to the GAC (not including
> Manju, of course!) without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion
> and misuse of the policy development process.
>
> Best, Kathy
> On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the
> dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.
> I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice our
> opinions during the latter process, the first step being broadening the
> dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not limited to
> Councilors.
>
> Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are
> discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection should be
> included in the response.
>
> My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's response
> and send our letter to the Board ourselves. But I'd like to know what you
> think.
>
> Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week so
> we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).
>
> Any suggestions are welcome!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public
>> comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to
>> bring their input.
>>
>> Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing
>> this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would
>> be involved.  Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not
>> through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment
>> with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the
>> door just for tactical gain.
>>
>> If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the
>> rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <
>> ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Manju,
>>>
>>> Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I edited a few small things and
>>> then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO
>>> Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this
>>> small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
>>> excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).  This
>>> will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o
>>> the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input  and
>>> guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
>>> ahead.
>>>
>>> Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits
>>> of Bruna:
>>>
>>> We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public
>>> comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as
>>> opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
>>> interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input
>>> will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.
>>> The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
>>> who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep
>>> concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this
>>> small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject -
>>> be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>>>
>>> I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan
>>> their email.
>>>
>>> Best, Kathy
>>>
>>> On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal
>>> response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>>>
>>> You can find the statement here:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Manju
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>>>
>>>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>>>> meeting this week.
>>>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>>>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>>>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>>>
>>>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>>>> policy call.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Manju
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Manju,
>>>>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small
>>>>> team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>>>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in
>>>>>> the small team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>>>>>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>>>>>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>>>>>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>>>>>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>>>>>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>>>>>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>>>>>> Council level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at
>>>>>> the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our
>>>>>> statement ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>>>> document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing
>>>>>> reference material and edits:
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I
>>>>>> think it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Manju
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi team,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to
>>>>>>> put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on
>>>>>>> closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>>>>>>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who
>>>>>>> is representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>>>>>>> her contribution to that team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put
>>>>>>> our ideas down on the Google form
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review
>>>>>>> my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call
>>>>>>> on the document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <
>>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>>>>>>>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>>>>>>>> Google doc [
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>>>>>>>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience,
>>>>>>>> attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing
>>>>>>>> paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>>>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between
>>>>>>>>> GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email
>>>>>>>>> with a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a
>>>>>>>>> response to this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>> From: Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>>>>>>> Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>>>> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>>>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <
>>>>>>>>> board-ops-team at icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org <
>>>>>>>>> gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten
>>>>>>>>> Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>>>>>>>>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>>>>>>>>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?,
>>>>>>>>> also attached.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>>>>>>> "manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "
>>>>>>>>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
>>>>>>>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
>>>>>>>>> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>>>>>>> ICANN Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>>>>>>>>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>>>>>>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
>>>>>>>>> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
>>>>>>>>> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you and best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wendy Profit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ICANN
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-chairs
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
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>>>>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Apr 23 00:21:05 2022
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie E Perrin)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2022 17:21:05 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
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I think we should.

Stephanie

On 2022-04-22 5:16 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think the council has now decided not to include the letter. So I 
> guess that leaves us to send it to the board ourselves?
>
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> 
> wrote:
>
>     Hi Manju,
>
>     This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other
>     Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here. /
>     /
>
>     /Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter
>     of objection to their response - or do they want to select parts
>     of it? /
>
>     If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever
>     terms /we//would like to include in the Council letter /- with a
>     clear and prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as
>     an appendix- then would it make it easier for the Board to see our
>     concerns??? One place, one document to read (?)
>
>     Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending
>     it separately makes sense.? Also perhaps there are advantages to
>     sending it separately that I may not be seeing.
>
>     But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known,
>     very-opinionated, and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors
>     to the GAC (not including Manju, of course!) without guidance from
>     the GNSO Community is a distortion and misuse of the policy
>     development process.
>
>     Best, Kathy
>
>     On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to
>>     the dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council
>>     chair.
>>     I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to
>>     voice our opinions during the latter process, the?first step
>>     being broadening the dialogue to include more stakeholders within
>>     the GNSO, not limited to Councilors.
>>
>>     Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are
>>     discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection
>>     should be included in the response.
>>
>>     My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's
>>     response and send our letter to the?Board ourselves. But I'd like
>>     to know what you think.
>>
>>     Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next
>>     week so we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).
>>
>>     Any suggestions are welcome!
>>
>>
>>     Best,
>>     Manju
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak
>>     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi,
>>
>>
>>         I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea
>>         of public comment is : councillors are representing their
>>         SG/C and are supposed to bring their input.
>>
>>         Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues
>>         about discussing this issue with GAC but public comment means
>>         another group like ALAC would be involved.? Any wider
>>         discussion should be then done within PDP and not through
>>         ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible
>>         alignment with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I
>>         would object to open the door just for tactical gain.
>>
>>         If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to
>>         discuss the rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>>
>>         Best.
>>
>>         Rafik
>>
>>         On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro
>>         <ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>>             Hi Manju,
>>
>>             Great letter and great edits by Bruna.? I edited a few
>>             small things and then pulled out and expanded our "ask" -
>>             that we would like the GNSO Council to hold a comment
>>             period to provide input and guidance to this small group
>>             of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
>>             excellent and well-founded objections to the process be
>>             overruled).? This will provide a way for the GNSO Council
>>             to know the issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community on
>>             this matter - and to provide clear input? and guidance to
>>             the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
>>             ahead.
>>
>>             Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of
>>             Manju and edits of Bruna:
>>
>>             We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO
>>             Council seek public comment from the community on how to
>>             proceed with Closed Generics, as opposed to having a
>>             ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
>>             interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN
>>             Board.? This input will provide the Council with issues
>>             and concerns of the GNSO Community.? The Council, in
>>             turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
>>             who will be leading this discussion - should it occur
>>             despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process
>>             and precedent. How else will this small team - some with
>>             very, very long-held personal views on the subject - be
>>             bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO
>>             Community?
>>
>>             I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who
>>             tend to scan their email.
>>
>>             Best, Kathy
>>
>>             On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>
>>>             Hi all,
>>>
>>>             As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted
>>>             our formal response to be sent to the Council (and the
>>>             Board?)
>>>
>>>             You can find the statement here:
>>>             https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>             Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly
>>>             appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>>             Best,
>>>             Manju
>>>
>>>             On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen
>>>             <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Hi Tomslin and all,
>>>
>>>                 Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed
>>>                 in the Council meeting this week.
>>>                 Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could
>>>                 propose a late motion. I think?NCSG is not in a
>>>                 hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if
>>>                 they want to propose the motion.
>>>
>>>                 I can share more details and answer questions today
>>>                 later during our policy call.
>>>
>>>                 Best,
>>>                 Manju
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>                 <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Hi Manju,
>>>                     Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy
>>>                     there with the small team representation. Do you
>>>                     know when that deferral will be brought to the
>>>                     council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my
>>>                     hundreds of emails.
>>>
>>>                     Thanks again.
>>>                     Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>                     On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen
>>>                     <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         Hi team,
>>>
>>>                         Borrowing this thread to report back to you
>>>                         about what happened in the small team.
>>>
>>>                         So as you might have guessed, I was the only
>>>                         one saying no to the 'facilitated dialogue'.
>>>                         Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into
>>>                         the discussion of how we engage with GAC in
>>>                         this 'facilitated dialogue' but thankfully
>>>                         they still respected our objection. My first
>>>                         point of objection is that the small team is
>>>                         really not representative enough to make the
>>>                         decision of whether the Council should meet
>>>                         with the GAC. For now, we agreed to refer
>>>                         this back to the Council and make the
>>>                         decision at the Council level.
>>>
>>>                         I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one
>>>                         saying no when we're at the Council level.
>>>                         Also when this pops up, we really have to
>>>                         have our statement ready?explaining why
>>>                         we're saying no. I've put notes in the
>>>                         document Tomslin created and Kathy has been
>>>                         extremely helpful by providing reference
>>>                         material and edits:
>>>                         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>                         We will still need to phrase them into a
>>>                         formal statement, but I think it'd be an
>>>                         easy task now we have all the contents.
>>>
>>>                         Best,
>>>                         Manju
>>>
>>>                         On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin
>>>                         Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                             Hi team,
>>>
>>>                             I just wanted to call your attention to
>>>                             this response we promised to put
>>>                             together on the board proposed dialogue
>>>                             between GAC and Council on closed
>>>                             generics. The Council small team is
>>>                             about to be activated to start
>>>                             deliberations and I believe @??? Manju
>>>                             Chen <mailto:manju at nii.org.tw>?who is
>>>                             representing us there hopes to rely on
>>>                             the response we pen down to guide her
>>>                             contribution to that team.
>>>
>>>                             In this?regard, can I request that we
>>>                             find some time to please put our ideas
>>>                             down on the Google
>>>                             formhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>                             Looking forward to your help with this.
>>>                             In the meantime, i'll review my meeting
>>>                             notes and put down some feedback we got
>>>                             during our policy call on the document.
>>>
>>>                             Warmly,
>>>                             Tomslin
>>>
>>>                             On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin
>>>                             Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                 Hi all,
>>>
>>>                                 As a follow-up to my previous email
>>>                                 regarding the board's proposed
>>>                                 facilitated dialogue between GAC and
>>>                                 GNSO council, I have created this
>>>                                 Google doc [
>>>                                 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>>                                 ] to capture our response to this
>>>                                 proposal in the form of a letter to
>>>                                 the council small team on Closed
>>>                                 Generics.
>>>
>>>                                 Inputs to the document are welcomed
>>>                                 and for your convenience, attached
>>>                                 again is the letter from the board
>>>                                 and the accompanying framing paper.
>>>
>>>                                 Regards,
>>>                                 Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>                                 On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12,
>>>                                 Tomslin Samme-Nlar
>>>                                 <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>                                     Dear everyone,
>>>
>>>                                     Here is the framing paper on the
>>>                                     board's proposed dialogue
>>>                                     between GNSO Council and the GAC
>>>                                     on Closed Generics that was
>>>                                     promised.
>>>
>>>                                     Comments are welcomed. I will
>>>                                     also be sending a separate email
>>>                                     with a link to the Google doc
>>>                                     where we intend to draft a
>>>                                     letter as a response to this.
>>>
>>>                                     Regards,
>>>                                     Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>>                                     ---------- Forwarded message
>>>                                     ---------
>>>                                     From: *Wendy Profit via
>>>                                     Gnso-chairs* <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>                                     Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>>>                                     Subject: [gnso-chairs]
>>>                                     [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten
>>>                                     Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>                                     Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO
>>>                                     Consultation on Closed Generics
>>>                                     To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org
>>>                                     <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>                                     Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>>>                                     philippe.fouquart at orange.com
>>>                                     <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>,
>>>                                     gnso-chairs at icann.org
>>>                                     <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>                                     Cc: Secretary
>>>                                     <secretary at icann.org>,
>>>                                     Correspondence
>>>                                     <Correspondence at icann.org>,
>>>                                     Board Ops Team
>>>                                     <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>                                     gnso-secs at icann.org
>>>                                     <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF
>>>                                     <gac-staff at icann.org>, Maarten
>>>                                     Botterman
>>>                                     <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                     Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>                                     Pursuant to the letter sent
>>>                                     recently (6 March 2022, attached
>>>                                     for reference), we are now
>>>                                     forwarding the associated
>>>                                     framework paper entitled
>>>                                     ?Board-Facilitated Process for a
>>>                                     GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on
>>>                                     Closed Generics?, also attached.
>>>
>>>                                     **
>>>
>>>                                     Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>                                     Wendy Profit
>>>
>>>                                     ICANN
>>>
>>>                                     Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>>                                     12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>
>>>                                     Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>
>>>                                     *From: *Wendy Profit
>>>                                     <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>>>                                     *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at
>>>                                     3:58 PM
>>>                                     *To:
>>>                                     *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org"
>>>                                     <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>,
>>>                                     "manal at tra.gov.eg"
>>>                                     <manal at tra.gov.eg>,
>>>                                     "philippe.fouquart at orange.com"
>>>                                     <philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
>>>                                     *Cc: *Maarten Botterman
>>>                                     <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>,
>>>                                     "gnso-chairs at icann.org"
>>>                                     <gnso-chairs at icann.org>,
>>>                                     GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>>>                                     "gnso-secs at icann.org"
>>>                                     <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN
>>>                                     Board Ops
>>>                                     <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>>>                                     Correspondence
>>>                                     <Correspondence at icann.org>,
>>>                                     Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
>>>                                     *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE]
>>>                                     Maarten Botterman to Manal
>>>                                     Ismail and Philippe Fouquart -
>>>                                     GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed
>>>                                     Generics
>>>
>>>                                     Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>>
>>>                                     Please find the attached letter
>>>                                     from ICANN Chair Maarten
>>>                                     Botterman regarding a proposed
>>>                                     formal consultation between the
>>>                                     GAC and GNSO Council on how to
>>>                                     handle the subject of closed
>>>                                     generics in gTLD applications.
>>>
>>>                                     Thank you and best regards,
>>>
>>>                                     Wendy Profit
>>>
>>>                                     ICANN
>>>
>>>                                     Board Operations Senior Manager
>>>
>>>                                     12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>>>
>>>                                     Los Angeles, CA 90094
>>>
>>>                                     _______________________________________________
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>>>                                     Gnso-chairs at icann.org
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 23 03:10:24 2022
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 00:10:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
 Consultation on Closed Generics
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I agree, if it will not be attached we should send it directly. 


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    El viernes, 22 de abril de 2022, 04:21:17 p.?m. GMT-5, Stephanie E Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escribi?:  
 
   
I think we should.
 
Stephanie
 
 On 2022-04-22 5:16 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
  
  Hi all, 
  I think the council has now decided not to include the letter. So I guess that leaves us to send it to the board ourselves?
               
  Tomslin            
   
  On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
  
  
Hi Manju,
 
This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here. 
 
 
Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter of objection to their response - or do they want to select parts of it? 
 
 
If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever terms we would like to include in the Council letter - with a clear and prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-? then would it make it easier for the Board to see our concerns??? One place, one document to read (?)
 
Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending it separately makes sense.? Also perhaps there are advantages to sending it separately that I may not be seeing. 
 
 
But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known, very-opinionated, and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors to the GAC (not including Manju, of course!) without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion and misuse of the policy development process.
 
Best, Kathy
 
 On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
  
  Hi all,? 
  Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.? I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice our opinions during the latter process, the?first step being broadening the dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not limited to Councilors.? 
  Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection should be included in the response.? 
  My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's response and send our letter to the?Board ourselves. But I'd like to know what you think.  
   Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week so we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday). 
  Any suggestions are welcome! 
  
  Best, Manju 
   
  On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  Hi, 
  
  I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to bring their input.? 
  Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would be involved.? Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the door just for tactical gain.
  
  If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the rules of engagement and scope for any discussion. 
  Best. 
  Rafik? 
    On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
  
  
Hi Manju,
 
Great letter and great edits by Bruna.? I edited a few small things and then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).? This will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input? and guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie ahead.? 
 
 
Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits of Bruna:
 
We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.? This input will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.? The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject - be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community? 
 
I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan their email. 
 
Best, Kathy
 

 
On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
 
  Hi all, 
  As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?) 
  You can find the statement here:?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing 
  Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated! 
  
  Best, Manju  
  On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
  
  Hi Tomslin and all, 
  Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council meeting this week. Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late motion. I think?NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if they want to propose the motion.? 
  I can share more details and answer questions today later during our policy call. 
  Best, Manju 
  
  
  On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  Hi Manju, Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
               
  Thanks again.
  Tomslin            
   
  On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
  
  Hi team, 
  Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the small team.? 
  So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the Council level.? 
  I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement ready?explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference material and edits:?https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing? 
  We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.? 
  Best, Manju  
  On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
  
 Hi team, 
  I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen?who is representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide her contribution to that team.? 
  In this?regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our ideas down on the Google formhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing 
  Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on the document.? 
 Warmly, 
 Tomslin  
  On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  Hi all, 
  As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this Google doc [ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the council small team on Closed Generics. 
  Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
               
  Regards,
  Tomslin            
  
  On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
  
  Dear everyone, 
  Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised. 
  Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to this.
                
  Regards,
  Tomslin            
 
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 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
 Subject: [gnso-chairs][CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
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Dear Manal and Philippe,
 
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Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also attached.
 
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Thank you and best regards,
 
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Wendy Profit
 
ICANN
 
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Dear Manal and Philippe,
 
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Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
 
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From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 03:46:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
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So, as much as I think it?s rather unfortunate that the GNSO Council is
clearly opting to hide our opposition, I guess we were all somehow aware
that this should happen.  And that?s exactly why I guess I was suggesting
that we sent this letter to the board, together with the Council give that
there would be at least a more institutionalised answer.

But If we agree on sending it to the board I?d be happy to modify the
letter tomorrow and add the information about us sending that to the GNSO
previously.

Best,
B

On Sat 23. Apr 2022 at 02:10, Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC <
ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:

> I agree, if it will not be attached we should send it directly.
>
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> El viernes, 22 de abril de 2022, 04:21:17 p. m. GMT-5, Stephanie E Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escribi?:
>
>
> I think we should.
>
> Stephanie
> On 2022-04-22 5:16 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think the council has now decided not to include the letter. So I guess
> that leaves us to send it to the board ourselves?
>
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Manju,
>
> This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other
> Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here.
>
> *Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter of
> objection to their response - or do they want to select parts of it? *
>
> If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever terms
> *we** would like to include in the Council letter *- with a clear and
> prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-  then
> would it make it easier for the Board to see our concerns?   One place, one
> document to read (?)
>
> Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending it
> separately makes sense.  Also perhaps there are advantages to sending it
> separately that I may not be seeing.
>
> But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known, very-opinionated,
> and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors to the GAC (not including
> Manju, of course!) without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion
> and misuse of the policy development process.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the
> dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.
> I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice our
> opinions during the latter process, the first step being broadening the
> dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not limited to
> Councilors.
>
> Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are
> discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection should be
> included in the response.
>
> My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's response
> and send our letter to the Board ourselves. But I'd like to know what you
> think.
>
> Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week so
> we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).
>
> Any suggestions are welcome!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public
> comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to
> bring their input.
>
> Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing
> this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would
> be involved.  Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not
> through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment
> with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the
> door just for tactical gain.
>
> If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the
> rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>
> Best.
>
> Rafik
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <
> ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
> Hi Manju,
>
> Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I edited a few small things and
> then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO
> Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this
> small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
> excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).  This
> will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o
> the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input  and
> guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
> ahead.
>
> Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits of
> Bruna:
>
> We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public
> comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as
> opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
> interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input
> will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.
> The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
> who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep
> concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this
> small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject -
> be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>
> I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan their
> email.
>
> Best, Kathy
>
> On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal response
> to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>
> You can find the statement here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
> Hi Tomslin and all,
>
> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council meeting
> this week.
> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late motion.
> I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others handle it if
> they want to propose the motion.
>
> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
> policy call.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Manju,
> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
> representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>
> Thanks again.
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>
> Hi team,
>
> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
> small team.
>
> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
> Council level.
>
> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
> material and edits:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>
> Best,
> Manju
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi team,
>
> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
> her contribution to that team.
>
> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
> ideas down on the Google form
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
> the document.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
> Google doc [
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
> council small team on Closed Generics.
>
> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>
> Regards,
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear everyone,
>
> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO
> Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>
> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a link
> to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to this.
>
> Regards,
> Tomslin
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs* <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail
> and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
> Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
> Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>
>
>
> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
> attached.
>
>
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
>
>
> Wendy Profit
>
> ICANN
>
> Board Operations Senior Manager
>
> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> Los Angeles, CA 90094
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
> manal at tra.gov.eg" <manal at tra.gov.eg>, "philippe.fouquart at orange.com" <
> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>
> *Cc: *Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>, "
> gnso-chairs at icann.org" <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <
> gac-staff at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>, ICANN
> Board Ops <board-ops-team at icann.org>, Correspondence <
> Correspondence at icann.org>, Secretary <secretary at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>
>
>
> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>
>
>
> Please find the attached letter from ICANN Chair Maarten Botterman
> regarding a proposed formal consultation between the GAC and GNSO Council
> on how to handle the subject of closed generics in gTLD applications.
>
>
>
> Thank you and best regards,
>
>
>
> Wendy Profit
>
> ICANN
>
> Board Operations Senior Manager
>
> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
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>
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From: wisdom.dk at gmail.com (Wisdom Donkor)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 09:47:48 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-SubPro] NCSG Response to the proposed GAC-GNSO
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Since the council has failed to recognise include our position letter, the
best option left is to send it directly to the board.

Very disappointing.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022, 1:46 am Bruna Martins dos Santos, <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, as much as I think it?s rather unfortunate that the GNSO Council is
> clearly opting to hide our opposition, I guess we were all somehow aware
> that this should happen.  And that?s exactly why I guess I was suggesting
> that we sent this letter to the board, together with the Council give that
> there would be at least a more institutionalised answer.
>
> But If we agree on sending it to the board I?d be happy to modify the
> letter tomorrow and add the information about us sending that to the GNSO
> previously.
>
> Best,
> B
>
> On Sat 23. Apr 2022 at 02:10, Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC <
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>
>> I agree, if it will not be attached we should send it directly.
>>
>>
>> *JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.*
>> Director - MINKA DIGITAL Colombia
>> GNSO Councilor - ICANN
>> Civil Soc. Rep - CODECTI  (Comit? Departamental de Ciencia Tecnolog?a e
>> Innovaci?n)
>> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
>> Registered Linux User No.*533108.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Cel. +57 301 743 56 00Instagram/Twitter: @JmanuRojas
>> <http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> El viernes, 22 de abril de 2022, 04:21:17 p. m. GMT-5, Stephanie E Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> escribi?:
>>
>>
>> I think we should.
>>
>> Stephanie
>> On 2022-04-22 5:16 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I think the council has now decided not to include the letter. So I guess
>> that leaves us to send it to the board ourselves?
>>
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 at 02:49, Kathy Kleiman <Kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Manju,
>>
>> This is disappointing, but not surprising. Tx to you and our other
>> Councilors for the trying to hold a fair and balanced line here.
>>
>> *Can I ask whether the Council will include our entire NCSG letter of
>> objection to their response - or do they want to select parts of it? *
>>
>> If Council is willing to including our NCSG objection - whatever terms
>> *we** would like to include in the Council letter *- with a clear and
>> prominent reference to our NCSG letter of objection as an appendix-  then
>> would it make it easier for the Board to see our concerns?   One place, one
>> document to read (?)
>>
>> Of course, if the Council wants to edit our letter, then sending it
>> separately makes sense.  Also perhaps there are advantages to sending it
>> separately that I may not be seeing.
>>
>> But the overall issue - that sending a few well-known, very-opinionated,
>> and frankly extreme (on this issue) Councilors to the GAC (not including
>> Manju, of course!) without guidance from the GNSO Community is a distortion
>> and misuse of the policy development process.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>> On 4/21/2022 10:30 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thought it's worth it to report back to you that our objection to the
>> dialogue was acknowledged but brushed aside by the Council chair.
>> I would be optimistic and say that we still have many chances to voice
>> our opinions during the latter process, the first step being broadening the
>> dialogue to include more stakeholders within the GNSO, not limited to
>> Councilors.
>>
>> Attached is the Council's draft response to the Board. There are
>> discussions going on about whether the NCSG's letter of objection should be
>> included in the response.
>>
>> My personal opinion is opt-out of being included in the Council's
>> response and send our letter to the Board ourselves. But I'd like to know
>> what you think.
>>
>> Council plans to send out the response by the Board Workshop next week so
>> we'll have to respond before April 27th 1200 UTC (Wednesday).
>>
>> Any suggestions are welcome!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:38 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I think the argument that will be used to respond to the idea of public
>> comment is : councillors are representing their SG/C and are supposed to
>> bring their input.
>>
>> Moreover in more practical matter, we are raising issues about discussing
>> this issue with GAC but public comment means another group like ALAC would
>> be involved.  Any wider discussion should be then done within PDP and not
>> through ad-hoc approach. I can see there might be some possible alignment
>> with ALAC in the topic (just an assumption) but I would object to open the
>> door just for tactical gain.
>>
>> If we fail to stop the process, the next step would be to discuss the
>> rules of engagement and scope for any discussion.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 00:59 Kathy Kleiman via NCSG-SubPro <
>> ncsg-subpro at lists.ncsg.is> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Manju,
>>
>> Great letter and great edits by Bruna.  I edited a few small things and
>> then pulled out and expanded our "ask" - that we would like the GNSO
>> Council to hold a comment period to provide input and guidance to this
>> small group of individuals appointed to talk to the GAC (should our
>> excellent and well-founded objections to the process be overruled).  This
>> will provide a way for the GNSO Council to know the issues/concerns/hopes o
>> the GNSO Community on this matter - and to provide clear input  and
>> guidance to the the small Committee for the negotiations that may lie
>> ahead.
>>
>> Here's the paragraph - building on opening sentences of Manju and edits
>> of Bruna:
>>
>> We strongly support as the first step that the GNSO Council seek public
>> comment from the community on how to proceed with Closed Generics, as
>> opposed to having a ?closed dialogue? with the GAC where the scope and
>> interlocutors of such dialogue is dictated by the ICANN Board.  This input
>> will provide the Council with issues and concerns of the GNSO Community.
>> The Council, in turn, can provide guidance to the members of the Council
>> who will be leading this discussion - should it occur despite our deep
>> concerns for Multistakeholder process and precedent. How else will this
>> small team - some with very, very long-held personal views on the subject -
>> be bound to a discussion on behalf of the entire GNSO Community?
>>
>> I recommend putting the paragraph in bold for those who tend to scan
>> their email.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>> On 4/11/2022 11:04 PM, ??? Manju Chen wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As discussed per yesterday's policy call, I've drafted our formal
>> response to be sent to the Council (and the Board?)
>>
>> You can find the statement here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Feedbacks and suggestions are welcome and will be highly appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:22 AM ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tomslin and all,
>>
>> Kurt and others obviously wanted it to be discussed in the Council
>> meeting this week.
>> Steve has suggested if that was the intent we could propose a late
>> motion. I think NCSG is not in a hurry about this, so I'll let others
>> handle it if they want to propose the motion.
>>
>> I can share more details and answer questions today later during our
>> policy call.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Manju,
>> Thank you so much for the update. Nice strategy there with the small team
>> representation. Do you know when that deferral will be brought to the
>> council's attention? Or maybe I missed it in my hundreds of emails.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 08:18, ??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> Borrowing this thread to report back to you about what happened in the
>> small team.
>>
>> So as you might have guessed, I was the only one saying no to the
>> 'facilitated dialogue'. Jeff, Paul, and Kurt were eager to dive into the
>> discussion of how we engage with GAC in this 'facilitated dialogue' but
>> thankfully they still respected our objection. My first point of objection
>> is that the small team is really not representative enough to make the
>> decision of whether the Council should meet with the GAC. For now, we
>> agreed to refer this back to the Council and make the decision at the
>> Council level.
>>
>> I'm afraid though NCSG would be the only one saying no when we're at the
>> Council level. Also when this pops up, we really have to have our statement
>> ready explaining why we're saying no. I've put notes in the document
>> Tomslin created and Kathy has been extremely helpful by providing reference
>> material and edits:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> We will still need to phrase them into a formal statement, but I think
>> it'd be an easy task now we have all the contents.
>>
>> Best,
>> Manju
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 9:08 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team,
>>
>> I just wanted to call your attention to this response we promised to put
>> together on the board proposed dialogue between GAC and Council on closed
>> generics. The Council small team is about to be activated to start
>> deliberations and I believe @??? Manju Chen <manju at nii.org.tw> who is
>> representing us there hopes to rely on the response we pen down to guide
>> her contribution to that team.
>>
>> In this regard, can I request that we find some time to please put our
>> ideas down on the Google form
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Looking forward to your help with this. In the meantime, i'll review my
>> meeting notes and put down some feedback we got during our policy call on
>> the document.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022, 22:25 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As a follow-up to my previous email regarding the board's proposed
>> facilitated dialogue between GAC and GNSO council, I have created this
>> Google doc [
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1buufalOjubifqZJoPLqF4wBaIUxHKLWor7NvILtnrKg/edit?usp=sharing
>> ] to capture our response to this proposal in the form of a letter to the
>> council small team on Closed Generics.
>>
>> Inputs to the document are welcomed and for your convenience, attached
>> again is the letter from the board and the accompanying framing paper.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 08:12, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear everyone,
>>
>> Here is the framing paper on the board's proposed dialogue between GNSO
>> Council and the GAC on Closed Generics that was promised.
>>
>> Comments are welcomed. I will also be sending a separate email with a
>> link to the Google doc where we intend to draft a letter as a response to
>> this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *Wendy Profit via Gnso-chairs* <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 04:33
>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] [CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail
>> and Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
>> To: manal.ismail at board.icann.org <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, Manal
>> Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg>, philippe.fouquart at orange.com <
>> philippe.fouquart at orange.com>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>> Cc: Secretary <secretary at icann.org>, Correspondence <
>> Correspondence at icann.org>, Board Ops Team <board-ops-team at icann.org>,
>> gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, GACSTAFF <gac-staff at icann.org>,
>> Maarten Botterman <maarten.botterman at board.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear Manal and Philippe,
>>
>>
>>
>> Pursuant to the letter sent recently (6 March 2022, attached for
>> reference), we are now forwarding the associated framework paper entitled ?Board-Facilitated
>> Process for a GAC - GNSO Council Dialogue on Closed Generics?, also
>> attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you and best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Wendy Profit
>>
>> ICANN
>>
>> Board Operations Senior Manager
>>
>> 12025 Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Los Angeles, CA 90094
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/12025+Waterfront+Drive,+Suite+300+%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Los+Angeles,+CA+90094?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Wendy Profit <wendy.profit at icann.org>
>> *Date: *Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 3:58 PM
>> *To: *"manal.ismail at board.icann.org" <manal.ismail at board.icann.org>, "
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>> *Subject: *[CORRESPONDENCE] Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>> Philippe Fouquart - GAC-GNSO Consultation on Closed Generics
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From mesumbeslin at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 09:58:52 2022
From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 16:58:52 +1000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Internationalized Domain Names and string similarity
 reviews
Message-ID: <CAM8DdeUdh0yPpaWa4dbKKZG-vgV08xFqe0mvZK1Pn9zNKPejLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NCSG,

The Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) EPDP team is currently discussing
charter questions on how string similarity should be performed on variant
labels of future TLD labels.
3 options described as *levels* were proposed as you will see on the
attached slide deck and the team is to choose one of them. I'll try to
summarize the description of the 3 levels below and indicate my preferred
level.

*Notes for those not familiar with the topic:*




*In IDNs, a TLD has a primary label (P) and variants (v), which are labels
in different languages and/or scripts of the primary label.Consider P1 as
the applied-for primary gTLD 1 and P1 could have variant labels, say three
for the sake of this discussion:? P1v1: allocatable and requested for
activation? P1v2: allocatable but not requested? P1v3: blocked*

Now, the question is, during an application round, for string similarity
reviews, should P with its variants P1v1, P1v2 & P1v3 be compared with

   - *Level 1*:* Existing & applied for Primary labels + ONLY Requested
   Allocatable Variants*
      - *Pros*: (a) Limited pool of labels for comparison; (b) Simplest,
      fastest & least expensive to conduct the review
      - *Cons*: An entity may potentially not be able to apply for its
      label variant (P1v2) in the future if another entity applies for
a label or
      variant which causes it to be visually confusable to P1v2.


   - *Level 2: Existing & applied for Primary labels + ALL Allocatable
   Variants*
      - *Pros:* (a) Relatively manageable pool of labels for comparison,
      except for certain TLDs in Arabic; (b)  Allows entities to
ensure that all
      of their allocatable strings and all other possible future
similar strings
      would be blocked. This creates predictability because all entities have
      their original string and allocatable variants.
      - *Cons*: (a) Certain TLDs in Arabic may have extremely large
      number of allocatable variants, therefore more expensive than Level
      1; (b) 7 scripts in RZ-LGR-5 have allocatable variants


   - *Level 3: Existing & applied for Primary labels + ALL Variants
   (Blocked & Allocatable)*
      - *Pros*: Maximally conservative approach and may reduce the
      possibility of visual confusability among all valid labels in an
      application round.
      - *Cons*: (a) Slowest, most complicated & expensive to conduct the
      review; (b) 21 scripts in RZ-LGR-5 have variants; (c) Certain TLDs in
      Arabic, Cyrillic & Latin may have extremely large number of blocked
      variants; (d) May reject strings due to conflict with blocked
variants that
      will never be delegated.

I previously gave my personal preference to the working group as being
Level 2. However, the more I read through available information and listen
to debate on this issue, the more I lean towards Level 1. Therefore, I
would love to hear what NCSG members think so that the Policy Committee can
agree on an official NCSG preference.
I understand this is a bit of a complex topic, but* if we don't get any
responses by Thursday May 5, we'll assume no official NCSG preference*.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
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