From mesumbeslin at gmail.com Mon Oct 4 02:35:08 2021 From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar) Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 10:35:08 +1100 Subject: [NCSG-PC] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bcouncil=5D_Proposed_Task_Force_Ass?= =?utf-8?q?ignment_Sheet-_Review_of_the_GNSO=E2=80=99s_SOI_requirem?= =?utf-8?q?ents?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear members, A task force to review the GNSO?s Statement of Interest (SOI) requirements is being proposed by the Council Committee for Overseeing and Implementing Continuous Improvement (CCOICI) as seen attached. Some background is included in the document. I am interested in knowing if there are any concerns with the proposal so that we can bring this up with the CCOICI before the 15 October deadline, especially relating to the questions the Task Force is meant to address, its composition and decision making methodology. Cheers, Tomslin ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Olga Cavalli via council Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 00:28 Subject: [council] Proposed Task Force Assignment Sheet- Review of the GNSO?s SOI requirements To: GNSO Council Cc: GNSO SECS Dear Councilors, I trust this email finds you well. On behalf of the Council Committee for Overseeing and Implementing Continuous Improvement (CCOICI), I am pleased to share with you the proposed Task Force Assignment Sheet related to the review of the GNSO?s Statement of Interest (SOI) requirements (see attached). In short, the Task Force is expected to review the existing Statement of Interest (SOI) requirements (see chapter 6 of the GNSO Operating Procedures ) on the basis of the questions and guidance outlined in the Assignment Sheet and make recommendations to the CCOICI on what changes, if any, should be made to the existing SOI requirements, instructions and/or template. As part of this process, the Task Force is expected to solicit input from the ICANN community on the current use and experience with SOIs as well as suggestions for possible improvements at an early stage of the process. As outlined in the framework document, the Council will have oversight of the assignments made by the Council Committee and we are hereby sharing the Task Force Assignment Sheet for your non-objection. Should you have any concerns or questions, please let us know *by Friday 15 October* at the latest. If no objections are raised, we?ll work with the staff support team to reach out to each SG/C to appoint members so that the Task Force can be formed and start its work. Best regards and have a nice weekend! 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As a member of the WG myself, I can quickly update that the group has just sent its proposed work schedule to the GNSO council for approval and have started substantial deliberations on the first topic: Consistent definition and technical utilization of Root Zone - Label Generation Rules (RZ-LGR). Which brings me to the reason for my email. The WG is seeking early inputs from the community as part of GNSO policy development requirements. Please see the attached document for more details. Best regards, Tomslin ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Nathalie Peregrine Date: Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 3:20 PM Subject: Request for early input to SO/AC/SG/Cs - IDNs EPDP To: Bruna Martins dos Santos Cc: Maryam Bakoshi , Brenda Brewer < brenda.brewer at icann.org>, Andrea Glandon , Steve Chan , Emily Barabas , gnso-secs at icann.org Dear Bruna, Please find attached a request from the GNSO *Expedited Policy Development Process on Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs EPDP**)* for input from your group on topics within the EPDP?s charter. Responses are requested by 10 November 2021 and may be sent to gnso-secs at icann.org. Kind regards, Emily Barabas -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatinnen) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus Twitter: @boomartins // Skype: bruna.martinsantos bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think this is the appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. cheers Steph On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > Dear PC, > > As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for > refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and > *Raymond Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, > both of whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members > representing their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both > eligible to serve a second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO > SSC and are willing to. > > My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict > of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision > in our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. > > Please let?me know. > > Cheers, > Tomslin > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to express their views please. Tomslin On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: > Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in the > Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension > with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the > ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are > ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent > in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, > one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, > but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with > them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the > appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend > these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. > > We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. > > cheers Steph > On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > > Dear PC, > > As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for > refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond > Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom > have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing > their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a > second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. > > My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict of > interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in our > charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. > > Please let me know. > > Cheers, > Tomslin > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From farell at benin2point0.org Thu Oct 14 09:40:57 2021 From: farell at benin2point0.org (Farell FOLLY) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:40:57 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <3B0E2AD4-7899-443C-BCD6-4E77190D5923@benin2point0.org> Dear all, I will join Tomslin and Stephanie on that matter. That means that I also see a conflict, however, it might manageable if discussions with the concerned persons can lead to some acceptable agreements, assuming we believe in their good faith. Afterwards, we need to find a way to prevent it from happening again in the future. @__f_f__ Best regards ____________________________________ Lt-Colonel Farell FOLLY, Ir GNSO Councillor linkedin.com/in/farellf > On 13 Oct 2021, at 21:30, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > > Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to express their views please. > > Tomslin > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin > wrote: > Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. > > We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. > > cheers Steph > > On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >> Dear PC, >> >> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for refresh as they do annually after the AGM. Naveed Bin Rais and Raymond Mamattah, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >> >> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >> >> Please let me know. >> >> Cheers, >> Tomslin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bruna.mrtns at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 13:09:14 2021 From: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com (Bruna Martins dos Santos) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:09:14 +0200 Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond In-Reply-To: <3B0E2AD4-7899-443C-BCD6-4E77190D5923@benin2point0.org> References:

<3B0E2AD4-7899-443C-BCD6-4E77190D5923@benin2point0.org> Message-ID: Dear all, I have been a little overwhelmed with other work-related stuff but wanted to agree with Stephanie on this. And, despite the fact that our charter does not forbid this kind of situation, I think its somehow problematic that the two are holding these positions and might see themselves in a little conflict of interest at some point. I think we could chat with them, maybe, in order to try to understand what is their plan for standing for both ALAC and NCSGs interest in the mentioned spaces and - next time - try to avoid this from happening from the selection moment. But we would then of course have to overcome the volunteer shortage we are in. best, B On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 8:41 AM Farell FOLLY wrote: > Dear all, > > I will join Tomslin and Stephanie on that matter. That means that I also > see a conflict, however, it might manageable if discussions with the > concerned persons can lead to some acceptable agreements, assuming we > believe in their good faith. Afterwards, we need to find a way to prevent > it from happening again in the future. > > > @__f_f__ > > Best regards > ____________________________________ > > Lt-Colonel Farell FOLLY, Ir > GNSO Councillor > linkedin.com/in/farellf > > > > > > > On 13 Oct 2021, at 21:30, Tomslin Samme-Nlar > wrote: > > Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that there > is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been having > with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I wanted > a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to express > their views please. > > Tomslin > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < > stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: > >> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in >> the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension >> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the >> ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are >> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent >> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, >> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, >> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with >> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the >> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend >> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >> >> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >> >> cheers Steph >> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >> >> Dear PC, >> >> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom >> have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >> >> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict of >> interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in our >> charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >> >> Please let me know. >> >> Cheers, >> Tomslin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatinnen) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus Twitter: @boomartins // Skype: bruna.martinsantos bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca Thu Oct 14 22:42:35 2021 From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie E Perrin) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:42:35 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: <581165eb-7e68-a433-8d86-a869a9a93783@digitaldiscretion.ca> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. Maybe someone will turn up if you beg.? I will work over a couple of candidates.? Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. cheers Steph On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that > there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've > been having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the > charter, I wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I > request members to express their views please. > > Tomslin > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin > > wrote: > > Yes I think there is a problem.? I understand that there is > nothing in the Charter that precludes dual representation.? > However, we are in tension with ALAC in various areas, notably in > their approach to the EPDP and the ACs' role in policy > development.? This is an appointments committee....are ALAC > representatives going to object to business members who are > prominent in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of > interest to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it.? > I am an ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except try to > promote better relationships with them, as long as I am performing > in an NCSG role.? I think this is the appropriate response, > obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend these > reappointments on conflict of interest principles. > > We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. > > cheers Steph > > On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >> Dear PC, >> >> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due >> for refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* >> and *Raymond Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the >> SSC, both of whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as >> ALAC members representing their regions at the end of ICANN72 are >> also both eligible to serve a second term as NCSG appointed >> members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >> >> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any >> conflict of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any >> specific provision in our charter which prevents them from >> serving in both roles. >> >> Please let?me know. >> >> Cheers, >> Tomslin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From compsoftnet at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 00:14:45 2021 From: compsoftnet at gmail.com (Akinremi Peter Taiwo) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:14:45 +0100 Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond In-Reply-To: <581165eb-7e68-a433-8d86-a869a9a93783@digitaldiscretion.ca> References:

<581165eb-7e68-a433-8d86-a869a9a93783@digitaldiscretion.ca> Message-ID: Dear all, Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've been trying to support couple with workload. I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups. There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas of policy and branding. As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is something we can get our members to participate and experience. This community need people that are absolutely committed to non commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out the ICANN charter. Regards. Akinremi On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, < stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: > I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these > positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just > the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers > for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to > ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. > > Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple of > candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting > carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. > > cheers Steph > > > On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > > Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that there > is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been having > with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I wanted > a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to express > their views please. > > Tomslin > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < > stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: > >> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in >> the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension >> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the >> ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are >> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent >> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, >> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, >> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with >> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the >> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend >> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >> >> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >> >> cheers Steph >> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >> >> Dear PC, >> >> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom >> have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >> >> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict of >> interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in our >> charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >> >> Please let me know. >> >> Cheers, >> Tomslin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at jacquelinemorris.com Fri Oct 15 16:56:07 2021 From: jam at jacquelinemorris.com (Jacqueline Morris) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:56:07 -0400 Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond In-Reply-To: References:

<581165eb-7e68-a433-8d86-a869a9a93783@digitaldiscretion.ca> Message-ID: Dear all I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause conflict of interests. There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't remember the details, but it can be checked. Jacqueline A. Morris Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo wrote: > Dear all, > > Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm > responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've > been trying to support couple with workload. > > I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment > where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups. > There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. > > I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these > fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas > of policy and branding. > > As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non > technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills > with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when > having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is > something we can get our members to participate and experience. > > This community need people that are absolutely committed to non commercial > objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage it in a > diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out the > ICANN charter. > > Regards. > Akinremi > > > > > > On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, < > stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: > >> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these >> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just >> the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers >> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to >> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. >> >> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple of >> candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting >> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. >> >> cheers Steph >> >> >> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >> >> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that there >> is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been having >> with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I wanted >> a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to express >> their views please. >> >> Tomslin >> >> >> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < >> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >> >>> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in >>> the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension >>> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the >>> ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are >>> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent >>> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, >>> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, >>> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with >>> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the >>> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend >>> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >>> >>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >>> >>> cheers Steph >>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>> >>> Dear PC, >>> >>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom >>> have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >>> >>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict >>> of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in >>> our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >>> >>> Please let me know. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Tomslin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<581165eb-7e68-a433-8d86-a869a9a93783@digitaldiscretion.ca> Message-ID: Thank you all so much for the responses. There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist, but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates, based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit. Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for volunteers on Monday. Regards, Tomslin On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris wrote: > Dear all > I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause > conflict of interests. > There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed > from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't > remember the details, but it can be checked. > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < > compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm >> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've >> been trying to support couple with workload. >> >> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment >> where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups. >> There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. >> >> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these >> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas >> of policy and branding. >> >> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non >> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills >> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when >> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is >> something we can get our members to participate and experience. >> >> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non >> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage >> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out >> the ICANN charter. >> >> Regards. >> Akinremi >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, < >> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >> >>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these >>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just >>> the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers >>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to >>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. >>> >>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple of >>> candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting >>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. >>> >>> cheers Steph >>> >>> >>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that >>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been >>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I >>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to >>> express their views please. >>> >>> Tomslin >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < >>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in >>>> the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension >>>> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the >>>> ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are >>>> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent >>>> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, >>>> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, >>>> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with >>>> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the >>>> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend >>>> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >>>> >>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >>>> >>>> cheers Steph >>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear PC, >>>> >>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom >>>> have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >>>> >>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict >>>> of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in >>>> our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >>>> >>>> Please let me know. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Tomslin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Support that ! On Fri 15. Oct 2021 at 21:54, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: > Thank you all so much for the responses. > There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist, > but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go > with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since > the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that > it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates, > based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit. > Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for > volunteers on Monday. > > Regards, > Tomslin > > > On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris > wrote: > >> Dear all >> I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause >> conflict of interests. >> There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed >> from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't >> remember the details, but it can be checked. >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm >>> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've >>> been trying to support couple with workload. >>> >>> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment >>> where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups. >>> There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. >>> >>> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these >>> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas >>> of policy and branding. >>> >>> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non >>> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills >>> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when >>> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is >>> something we can get our members to participate and experience. >>> >>> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non >>> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage >>> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out >>> the ICANN charter. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Akinremi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, < >>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these >>>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just >>>> the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers >>>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to >>>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. >>>> >>>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple of >>>> candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting >>>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. >>>> >>>> cheers Steph >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that >>>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been >>>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I >>>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to >>>> express their views please. >>>> >>>> Tomslin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < >>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing in >>>>> the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in tension >>>>> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the >>>>> ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments committee....are >>>>> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent >>>>> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me, >>>>> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an ALAC NA member, >>>>> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with >>>>> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the >>>>> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend >>>>> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >>>>> >>>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >>>>> >>>>> cheers Steph >>>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear PC, >>>>> >>>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >>>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >>>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of >>>>> whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >>>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >>>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >>>>> >>>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict >>>>> of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in >>>>> our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Tomslin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -- *Bruna Martins dos Santos * German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatinnen) | Alexander von Humboldt Foundation Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus Twitter: @boomartins // Skype: bruna.martinsantos bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: I support that also, On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 7:57 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos < bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote: > Support that ! > > On Fri 15. Oct 2021 at 21:54, Tomslin Samme-Nlar > wrote: > >> Thank you all so much for the responses. >> There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist, >> but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go >> with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since >> the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that >> it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates, >> based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit. >> Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for >> volunteers on Monday. >> >> Regards, >> Tomslin >> >> >> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris >> wrote: >> >>> Dear all >>> I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause >>> conflict of interests. >>> There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed >>> from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't >>> remember the details, but it can be checked. >>> Jacqueline A. Morris >>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo < >>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm >>>> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've >>>> been trying to support couple with workload. >>>> >>>> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN >>>> environment where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder >>>> groups. There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. >>>> >>>> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these >>>> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas >>>> of policy and branding. >>>> >>>> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non >>>> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills >>>> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when >>>> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is >>>> something we can get our members to participate and experience. >>>> >>>> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non >>>> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage >>>> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out >>>> the ICANN charter. >>>> >>>> Regards. >>>> Akinremi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, < >>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these >>>>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just >>>>> the ability to make good appointment decisions. Thank the two volunteers >>>>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to >>>>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple of >>>>> candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting >>>>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role. >>>>> >>>>> cheers Steph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that >>>>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been >>>>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I >>>>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to >>>>> express their views please. >>>>> >>>>> Tomslin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin < >>>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there is nothing >>>>>> in the Charter that precludes dual representation. However, we are in >>>>>> tension with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP >>>>>> and the ACs' role in policy development. This is an appointments >>>>>> committee....are ALAC representatives going to object to business members >>>>>> who are prominent in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of >>>>>> interest to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I am an >>>>>> ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better >>>>>> relationships with them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role. I >>>>>> think this is the appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear >>>>>> someone defend these reappointments on conflict of interest principles. >>>>>> >>>>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers Steph >>>>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear PC, >>>>>> >>>>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for >>>>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond >>>>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of >>>>>> whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing >>>>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a >>>>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to. >>>>>> >>>>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any >>>>>> conflict of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific >>>>>> provision in our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Tomslin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NCSG-PC mailing list >>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NCSG-PC mailing list >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc >> > -- > > *Bruna Martins dos Santos * > > German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatinnen) | Alexander > von Humboldt Foundation > > Member | Coaliz?o Direitos na Rede > Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN > > Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus > > Twitter: @boomartins // Skype: > bruna.martinsantos > bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mesumbeslin at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 19:53:49 2021 From: mesumbeslin at gmail.com (Tomslin Samme-Nlar) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 03:53:49 +1100 Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Modifying consensus policies In-Reply-To: <30104_1635150788_61766BC3_30104_118_1_B5939C6860701C49AA39C5DA5189448B9D326B6D@OPEXCAUBMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <30104_1635150788_61766BC3_30104_118_1_B5939C6860701C49AA39C5DA5189448B9D326B6D@OPEXCAUBMA1.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Message-ID: Dear members, This morning, ICANN Org sent the attached thought paper on Modifying Consensus Policie. I haven't had a chance to study the document myself but thought I should share it with the community for review as I believe Org will be seeking feedback on this in due course. Regards Tomslin Orange Restricted *From:* Theresa Swinehart *Sent:* Saturday, October 23, 2021 1:21 AM *To:* FOUQUART Philippe INNOV/NET *Cc:* Karen Lentz ; Steve Chan ; David Olive ; Mary Wong *Subject:* Modifying consensus policies Dear Philippe, I would like to share with you and the GNSO Council a discussion draft of the attached paper, Modifying Consensus Policies. The ICANN organization has developed this paper as a thought exercise to share with the community for information and input on existing processes. As mentioned in some of our previous interactions, this piece has been developed within the org, considering what procedures are in place for modifying consensus policies, and where there may be gaps, ambiguities, or opportunities for additional collaboration. The Board has expressed interest in understanding these processes and discussing possible mechanisms to address where there are identified and agreed needs for greater clarity or elaboration. As the GNSO?s processes are interwoven with those of the Board and org in the consensus policy lifecycle, the org is seeking input from GNSO stakeholders before taking this paper to the Board. To date for the org, this review of applicable procedures to modify policies has been helpful in identifying gaps that might benefit from further clarification or discussion, relating to how to modify an existing policy in varying circumstances. Some possible gaps are further described in section 3 of this paper, to provide an opportunity for community discussions on identifying the source of gaps and confirming where they exist. In the spirit of sharing ideas and observations, we hope you also find this useful, and the org looks forward to hearing from GNSO stakeholders on these topics. I appreciate that this comes at a busy time, and look forward to engaging on this in due course. And, wishing the best for a successful ICANN72 meeting. 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