From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 16:22:45 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 22:22:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] REMINDER -- GNSO SG/C Input on IRP
 Standing Panel -- Next Steps
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Hi,

this is reminder about on IRP standing panel comment, ccing Farzaneh as she
volunteered for the drafting

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: mar. 4 juin 2019 ? 22:19
Subject: [council] REMINDER -- GNSO SG/C Input on IRP Standing Panel --
Next Steps
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Hi all,



This is a reminder that the GNSO Council will soon be expected to engage on
the topic of the IRP Standing Panel, and on re-populating the IRP
Implementation Oversight Team (IoT).



This is a very important issue that is gaining the attention of the ICANN
Board as a relatively urgent topic. We should expect this to be a topic of
discussion in Marrakech, so please engage with your respective SG/Cs to
ensure you?re informed and ready to bring your groups views to the Council
discussion.



Note some questions that were posed at the following link:



https://community.icann.org/display/ESPFIRP/Relevant+Documents?preview=/95095469/95095468/Issues%20for%20Consideration%20by%20SO_ACS%20Related%20to%20Establishment%20of%20IRP%20Panel%20Process.pdf



If anyone needs further context, please refer to the briefing presented by
Sam Eisner, David McAuley and Chris Disspain during our May regular Council
call.



Thanks,

Keith
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 11:41:58 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 17:41:58 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FW: Cross Community Session at ICANN65
 Marrakech - EPDP Phase 1 Impacts on ICANN Policies and Procedures
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 <bc1c05ea3f7d46a59cd1fc9fd835a59b@verisign.com>
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Hi,

Here the description of cross community session on EPDP.

Rafik

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From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Wed, Jun 5, 2019, 17:33
Subject: [council] FW: Cross Community Session at ICANN65 Marrakech - EPDP
Phase 1 Impacts on ICANN Policies and Procedures
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Hi all,



Attached is a session description for the ICANN 65 cross-community session
on Impacts of EPDP Phase 1 on Other ICANN Policies and Procedures.



As the coordinator for this session, I sent the email below to the
SO-AC-SG-C leaders meeting planning email distro.



Please follow up with your respective SG/C Chairs to ensure your groups are
informed of this important session and the opportunity to contribute.



I plan to run this session as an opportunity to engage the community rather
than having a panel discussion. More details to come.



Thanks,

Keith



*From:* Drazek, Keith
*Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2019 2:59 PM
*To:* 'soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org' <
soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>
*Subject:* Cross Community Session at ICANN65 Marrakech - EPDP Phase 1
Impacts on ICANN Policies and Procedures



Hi all,



As we approach ICANN 65, one of the HIT/CC sessions will focus on the
impact of the EPDP Phase 1 recommendations on other existing ICANN policies
and procedures. On behalf of the GNSO, I am leading the coordination of
this session, and I have volunteered to moderate. The session description
is attached.



Because it has been classified as a Cross-Community session, you are all
welcome to contribute and co-sponsor this meeting if there is interest. I?d
welcome any input and/or suggested participation from your respective
SO/ACs.



Please let me know if you have any questions.



Best regards,

Keith









*From:* Drazek, Keith
*Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 1:50 PM
*To:* 'marika.konings at icann.org' <marika.konings at icann.org>; '
chantelle.doerksen at icann.org' <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>; '
cyrus.namazi at icann.org' <cyrus.namazi at icann.org>; 'trang.nguyen at icann.org' <
trang.nguyen at icann.org>; 'nathalie.peregrine at icann.org' <
nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
*Cc:* 'mary.wong at icann.org' <mary.wong at icann.org>; 'carlos.reyes at icann.org'
<carlos.reyes at icann.org>
*Subject:* RE: Reminder - FOLLOW UP: Consolidated Cross Community Session
at ICANN65 Marrakech



Hi all,



Thanks for your patience on this. Please see the attached and let me know
if you have any questions or suggested edits.



Regards,

Keith



*From:* Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 30, 2019 5:46 PM
*To:* Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>; Drazek, Keith <
kdrazek at verisign.com>; Cyrus Namazi <cyrus.namazi at icann.org>; Trang Nguyen <
trang.nguyen at icann.org>; Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
*Cc:* Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>; Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Reminder - FOLLOW UP: Consolidated Cross
Community Session at ICANN65 Marrakech



Dear all,



Attached you will find the proposal as it was originally submitted by Keith
to the SO/AC Planning mailing list. This could maybe serve as a starting
point?



Best regards,



Marika



*From: *Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>
*Date: *Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 17:10
*To: *"Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com>, Cyrus Namazi <
cyrus.namazi at icann.org>, Trang Nguyen <trang.nguyen at icann.org>, Marika
Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Nathalie Peregrine <
nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
*Cc: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, Carlos Reyes <carlos.reyes at icann.org>,
Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>
*Subject: *Reminder - FOLLOW UP: Consolidated Cross Community Session at
ICANN65 Marrakech



Dear Keith, all,



Following-up on Mary?s email below, and as a kind reminder, we would like
to finalize (at least) the session title and a placeholder session
description by this *Friday, 31 May.*



On *Monday, 3 June,* the ICANN65 schedule will be publicly available. For
quick reference, the date and time for this session is *Thursday, 27 June,
15:15-16:45.*



Again, please feel free to add whichever other lead(s), whether from a GNSO
community group or another SO/AC, to this planning thread as appropriate.





Kind regards,

Chantelle







*From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
*Date: *Friday, May 24, 2019 at 10:44
*To: *"Drazek, Keith" <kdrazek at verisign.com>
*Cc: *Cyrus Namazi <cyrus.namazi at icann.org>, Trang Nguyen <
trang.nguyen at icann.org>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>,
Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>, Carlos Reyes <
carlos.reyes at icann.org>, chantelle doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>
*Subject: *FOLLOW UP: Consolidated Cross Community Session at ICANN65
Marrakech



Dear Keith,



Thank you for taking the lead on this cross-community topic for Marrakech!
As noted in my email to the SOAC Leaders Planning list, I am following up
as the staff lead charged with managing the Cross Community & High Interest
Topic (CC/HIT) sessions at ICANN meetings.



I understand that you have already begun to plan for the session. For your
information, and in accordance with what has become the customary practice,
ICANN Org assigns specific staff to each CC/HIT session to assist the
session organizers. For this consolidated session, *Cyrus Namazi *will be
your responsible Executive, with *Trang Nguyen* acting as Cyrus? designee.
Trang will therefore be available to assist you with matters relating to
scope/subject matter and speaker/panelist suggestions. The logistics and
administrative details, including liaising with ICANN?s Meetings &
Technical Services folks on the ground, are handled by my team within the
Policy Department. *Chantelle Doerksen* from my team will be your and
Trang?s point of contact for these details. I will therefore be grateful if
you can keep Trang and Chantelle (both cc?d here) as well as me in the loop
as you continue to plan and discuss the session.



For your reference, we suggest that you consider the following items and
proposed deadlines. While these are merely suggestions, we hope they are
helpful as we have observed that many ICANN community members like to plan
their meeting schedules ahead of time, and often enquire about details of
these CC/HIT sessions (including speakers and materials):

   - Friday 31 May: Finalize session title and description (note: the
   ICANN65 schedule is ?going live? on Monday 3 June). Chantelle will make
   sure that this information (and any updates that you may make between then
   and ICANN65) is published on the ICANN meeting website and schedule.
   - Friday 14 June: Initial list of speakers/panelists (including the
   moderator, if any) sent to Chantelle for publication.
   - Wednesday 25 June (latest): Slides and materials to be used during the
   session sent to Chantelle for upload to the meeting website.



Finally, as this session has been characterized to dat as a Cross Community
Session ? which typically means that more than one community group acts as
session organizers ? please feel free to add whichever other lead(s),
whether from a GNSO community group or another SO/AC, to this planning
thread as appropriate.



Thank you again for taking the lead on this session. We as staff will
remain available to support you and this session.



Cheers

Mary






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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 01:18:49 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 23:18:49 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] REQUEST FOR INPUT and the EPDP Team input
 in response to GNSO Council's request
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Hi all,

This is request to send input to council about phase 1 recommendations
board vote. I added the ncsg epdp list in cc to reach our reps to EPDP team
and asking them for guidance. We also need to add any procedural concerns.
GNSO council will discuss the topic with board at Marrakech meeting.

Best,

Rafik


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:14
Subject: [council] REQUEST FOR INPUT and the EPDP Team input in response to
GNSO Council's request
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Hi all,



As requested, the EPDP Team submitted its input (attached) on the Phase 1
recommendations to the GNSO Council in advance of our interaction with the
ICANN Board in Marrakech.



If your respective SGs and Cs have any further input to the Council, please
send it to the Council list by this Friday so we can plan accordingly.



Our interaction with the Board in Marrakech will be the beginning of our
dialogue on this matter.



Regards,

Keith



*From:* Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, June 09, 2019 4:23 PM
*To:* Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
*Cc:* gnso-epdp-team at icann.org; gnso-epdp-lead at icann.org
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] EPDP Team input in response to GNSO Council's request



Dear Keith,



Following the request of the GNSO Council for the EPDP Team to identify any
questions, comments or concerns to be shared with the ICANN Board in
relation to their action on the EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations, 3 groups
provided their feedback (see Annex A) which the EPDP Team discussed during
its meeting on 6 June 2019. Although there was not sufficient time to
formalize and agree on an EPDP Team response, the team felt it important to
share the different perspectives with you to help inform the Council?s
preparation for the consultation process with the ICANN Board. My take-away
from the discussion was that:



?         In relation to purpose 2, there is general understanding for why
the Board decided to not adopt this purpose and the EPDP Team confirms that
it considers it firmly within its scope for phase 2 to further review this
purpose in the context of the System for Standardized Access / Disclosure
(SSAD);

?         For recommendation #12, some additional context has been provided
that may help explain the thinking behind the EPDP Team?s original
recommendation. However, there is no agreement at this stage on whether or
not the Board?s non-adoption should be supported.



The EPDP Team understands that following the GNSO Council?s consultation
with the ICANN Board you will follow up with us to provide an update on
dialogue with ICANN Board and request further input on the possible next
steps for GNSO Council. The EPDP Team stands ready to assist as needed.



Best regards,



Janis Karklins
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 01:41:27 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 23:41:27 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Request for Volunteers -- Marrakech GNSO
 Council Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThnz_BsWMVazVS72BgJv-0iozQGDrQXkWf-Fs9gbvCkkpw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There is a schedule clash with this session. Can a councillor volunteer to
attend this session and report the discussion?

Best Regards,

Rafik

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From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:38
Subject: [council] Request for Volunteers -- Marrakech GNSO Council Meeting
with GAC on IGO CRP
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Hi all,



As we approach ICANN65, if you would like to participate in the special
sub-group meeting of the GNSO Council and GAC on IGO CRP next steps, please
let me know.



This session is not mandatory, but it would be helpful to have decent
representation. The meeting is scheduled for one hour on Tuesday 25 June at
13:30.



Our focus will be on next steps for the RPM PDP WG and, more specifically,
chartering a dedicated sub-group to focus on IGO protections. Our goal is
to clarify our intentions with regard to this new sub-group and encourage
interested GAC members and IGOs to participate.



I will co-chair the session with Manal. If you have an interest in the RPM
PDP WG and/or the IGO CRP issue, I encourage your participation.



Thanks in advance,



Keith
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 01:51:59 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 23:51:59 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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Hi,

We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with adding
more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only Robin is
participating there) .
We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>,
gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>, stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, claudia.selli at intl.att.com <
claudia.selli at intl.att.com>, Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
joankerr at fbsc.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org <
council at gnso.icann.org>


Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,



I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.



In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about
from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP)
Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus
on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.



Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first is a
need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.



Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for
future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
respective views.



Regards,

Keith








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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 02:09:53 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:09:53 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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References: <6be494991c924af988b30f464c2ecfd9@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThm5=2j7cvSmdMqV2WnDgC3T3_nUrv2TtsLLRYZ7=CabPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCyXRx4Crctf6ue=4AfBJ0wfbSY5js7WdmoGQkQB_6EWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafik

as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never active.

Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here? Do we
still have time for that?




Farzaneh


On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with adding
> more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only Robin is
> participating there) .
> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>,
> gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>, stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, claudia.selli at intl.att.com <
> claudia.selli at intl.att.com>, Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
> joankerr at fbsc.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org <
> council at gnso.icann.org>
>
>
> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>
>
>
> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>
>
>
> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about
> from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP)
> Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus
> on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>
>
>
> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first is
> a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
> several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
> ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
> the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
> obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.
>
>
>
> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for
> future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
> respective views.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 02:12:18 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 00:12:18 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCyXRx4Crctf6ue=4AfBJ0wfbSY5js7WdmoGQkQB_6EWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6be494991c924af988b30f464c2ecfd9@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThm5=2j7cvSmdMqV2WnDgC3T3_nUrv2TtsLLRYZ7=CabPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Farzaneh,

Thanks for the response.
I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation was
announced for the first time
https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
.

Best,


Rafik

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rafik
>
> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never active.
>
> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here? Do
> we still have time for that?
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>> Robin is participating there) .
>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>,
>> gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org <
>> council at gnso.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about
>> from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP)
>> Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus
>> on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first is
>> a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
>> several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
>> ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
>> the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
>> obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for
>> future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>> respective views.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 21:55:07 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 03:55:07 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving_?=
	=?utf-8?q?ICANN=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for
submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is
critical public comment.
tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


hi all,

please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving ICANN?s
Multistakeholder Model
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
, prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.

Best regards,

Rafik
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From farell at benin2point0.org  Thu Jun 13 22:52:34 2019
From: farell at benin2point0.org (Farell FOLLY)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:52:34 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 
 =?utf-8?q?=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving_ICANN?=
 =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C35E3D7-F5FF-4FEB-A4E9-8E9B90E8578D@benin2point0.org>

I was involved in the drafting process, therefore; I would let other people look at it from different prospectives.

@__f_f__

Best Regards
____________________________________

(Ekue) Farell FOLLY
NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
linkedin.com/in/farellf 






> On 13 Jun 2019, at 20:55, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is critical public comment.
> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>
> 
> 
> hi all,
> 
> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rafik
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Jun 14 03:55:52 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 00:55:52 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 
 =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving?=
 =?utf-8?q?_ICANN=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5f88a425-4e43-4def-f0fe-e38b39d73c60@mail.utoronto.ca>

I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.  Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....

Please tune in folks.  This is important.

Steph


On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi all,

this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is critical public comment.
tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>


hi all,

please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.

Best regards,

Rafik



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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 11:52:18 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:52:18 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 
	=?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving?=
	=?utf-8?q?_ICANN=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
In-Reply-To: <5f88a425-4e43-4def-f0fe-e38b39d73c60@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5f88a425-4e43-4def-f0fe-e38b39d73c60@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=LAs5o9hYk9_1_UxphwL9fRnmoKtRYAtVshsmWzW871Q@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve issues
in the draft.

Best,

Rafik

Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :

> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.  Not
> clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>
> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>
> Steph
>
>
> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for
> submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is
> critical public comment.
> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> hi all,
>
> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From elsa.saade at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 16:25:10 2019
From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 09:25:10 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 
	=?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving?=
	=?utf-8?q?_ICANN=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=LAs5o9hYk9_1_UxphwL9fRnmoKtRYAtVshsmWzW871Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5f88a425-4e43-4def-f0fe-e38b39d73c60@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CAH5sTh=LAs5o9hYk9_1_UxphwL9fRnmoKtRYAtVshsmWzW871Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHFwYbdpNpSfeqNcKVDsLEAaLxrskaR2-pVub_OMUofnPxJixQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after checking
in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights report, not a
public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole format or keep
it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time anymore - but if
someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be happy to do it).

E.
?

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve
> issues in the draft.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>
>> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.
>> Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>>
>> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>>
>> Steph
>>
>>
>> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for
>> submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is
>> critical public comment.
>> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
>> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
>> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
>> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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-- 
--

Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 16:35:36 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 14:35:36 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] 
	=?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BUrgent=5D_NCSG_Comment_on_Evolving?=
	=?utf-8?q?_ICANN=E2=80=99s_Multistakeholder_Model?=
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References: <CAH5sTh=fg0SV=jXPKb9UyVm3eoVQ5n=yUg7AxANOx4ndcOROYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThms-c5SiWnN1ePT2T7QMbuP3A9cQbNQQVveGx7XVGZknQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5f88a425-4e43-4def-f0fe-e38b39d73c60@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CAH5sTh=LAs5o9hYk9_1_UxphwL9fRnmoKtRYAtVshsmWzW871Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADxLtgeSQaH242Q9tWTabbV2k9DB8E4M2ahscUCMJYvqpdt18Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am now in transit and will try work on this in this evening or tomorrow.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 15:25, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after checking
> in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights report, not a
> public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole format or keep
> it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time anymore - but if
> someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be happy to do it).
>
> E.
> ?
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve
>> issues in the draft.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>
>>> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.
>>> Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>>>
>>> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>>>
>>> Steph
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for
>>> submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is
>>> critical public comment.
>>> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
>>> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>>> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
>>> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
>>> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 14:46:03 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for more time if we must....

cheers Steph

On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Farzaneh,

Thanks for the response.
I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation was announced for the first time https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action .

Best,


Rafik

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com<mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Rafik

as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never active.

Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here? Do we still have time for that?




Farzaneh


On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only Robin is participating there) .
We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
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Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,

I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.

In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP) Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.

Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.

Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your respective views.

Regards,
Keith




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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 05:22:35 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:22:35 +0900
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Hi all,

thanks for the edits.
I tried to clean-up the document and remove the unnecessary parts. it is
getting shape but I am not sure that is ready since some items on list have
no comments. They need to be filled.

Reading Stephanie email about inviting Brian to NCSG session, I was
wondering about :
- reach staff about the comment , we will be late even after the deadline
extension, checking when they are planning to issue the summary report.
Depending of the date, we might have a "grace period" or not.
- using the comment to channel our concerns directly to Brian during NCSG
session in Marrakech and follow-up after in written form depending if we
can make it for the public comment. I think our focus should be the
substance , complaining about the process initiated by board to Brian
doesn't make sense IMHO since he was hired to do the work (and not
responsible for starting this)

Best,

Rafik
Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 22:35, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
> I am now in transit and will try work on this in this evening or tomorrow.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 15:25, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after checking
>> in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights report, not a
>> public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole format or keep
>> it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time anymore - but if
>> someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be happy to do it).
>>
>> E.
>> ?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve
>>> issues in the draft.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.
>>>> Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>>>>
>>>> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>>>>
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for
>>>> submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is
>>>> critical public comment.
>>>> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
>>>> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder
>>>> Model
>>>> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi all,
>>>>
>>>> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
>>>> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
>>>> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 05:26:00 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 11:26:00 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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Hi Stephanie,

that is why I resent the reminder and communication from the council . it
will be also discussed in Marrakech meeting.
of course as it is not standard public comment, there is no indication of
who is the right ICANN staff managing this (I assume it is legal counsel).
I will reach Sam Eisner to check.

Best,

Rafik

Le sam. 15 juin 2019 ? 23:46, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :

> GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for more
> time if we must....
>
> cheers Steph
> On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Farzaneh,
>
> Thanks for the response.
> I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation
> was announced for the first time
> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
> .
>
> Best,
>
>
> Rafik
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rafik
>>
>> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never active.
>>
>> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here? Do
>> we still have time for that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>>> Robin is participating there) .
>>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law> <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org <
>>> council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about
>>> from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP)
>>> Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus
>>> on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first
>>> is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
>>> several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
>>> ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
>>> the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
>>> obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for
>>> future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>>> respective views.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> council at gnso.icann.org
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 06:45:02 +0000
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That makes sense to me.  I am afraid that our comment does not exactly convey our substantive concerns yet, or at least I cannot follow the logic.  I don't see this as an opportunity to be expansive about the MS mandate (i.e. like a manifesto) I see it as a forum for making concrete, actionable suggestions with evidence of problems well described.

cheers SP

On 2019-06-16 22:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi all,

thanks for the edits.
I tried to clean-up the document and remove the unnecessary parts. it is getting shape but I am not sure that is ready since some items on list have no comments. They need to be filled.

Reading Stephanie email about inviting Brian to NCSG session, I was wondering about :
- reach staff about the comment , we will be late even after the deadline extension, checking when they are planning to issue the summary report. Depending of the date, we might have a "grace period" or not.
- using the comment to channel our concerns directly to Brian during NCSG session in Marrakech and follow-up after in written form depending if we can make it for the public comment. I think our focus should be the substance , complaining about the process initiated by board to Brian doesn't make sense IMHO since he was hired to do the work (and not responsible for starting this)

Best,

Rafik
Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 22:35, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
Hi all,
I am now in transit and will try work on this in this evening or tomorrow.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 15:25, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com<mailto:elsa.saade at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after checking in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights report, not a public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole format or keep it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time anymore - but if someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be happy to do it).

E.
?

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve issues in the draft.

Best,

Rafik

Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> a ?crit :

I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.  Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....

Please tune in folks.  This is important.

Steph


On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi all,

this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft for submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as it is critical public comment.
tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>


hi all,

please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.

Best regards,

Rafik



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From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:47:04 +0200
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Hi all,
I read comments made by others, why don?t we just delete anything that is
not ready to be submitted and submit the clean parts?
Cheers,
Tanya

On Mon 17. Jun 2019 at 08:45, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> That makes sense to me.  I am afraid that our comment does not exactly
> convey our substantive concerns yet, or at least I cannot follow the
> logic.  I don't see this as an opportunity to be expansive about the MS
> mandate (i.e. like a manifesto) I see it as a forum for making concrete,
> actionable suggestions with evidence of problems well described.
>
> cheers SP
> On 2019-06-16 22:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> thanks for the edits.
> I tried to clean-up the document and remove the unnecessary parts. it is
> getting shape but I am not sure that is ready since some items on list have
> no comments. They need to be filled.
>
> Reading Stephanie email about inviting Brian to NCSG session, I was
> wondering about :
> - reach staff about the comment , we will be late even after the deadline
> extension, checking when they are planning to issue the summary report.
> Depending of the date, we might have a "grace period" or not.
> - using the comment to channel our concerns directly to Brian during NCSG
> session in Marrakech and follow-up after in written form depending if we
> can make it for the public comment. I think our focus should be the
> substance , complaining about the process initiated by board to Brian
> doesn't make sense IMHO since he was hired to do the work (and not
> responsible for starting this)
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 22:35, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> a ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>> I am now in transit and will try work on this in this evening or tomorrow.
>> Cheers,
>> Tanya
>>
>> On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 15:25, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after
>>> checking in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights
>>> report, not a public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole
>>> format or keep it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time
>>> anymore - but if someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be
>>> happy to do it).
>>>
>>> E.
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve
>>>> issues in the draft.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my view.
>>>>> Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>>>>>
>>>>> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft
>>>>> for submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as
>>>>> it is critical public comment.
>>>>> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
>>>>> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder
>>>>> Model
>>>>> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
>>>>> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
>>>>> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 01:36:49 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:36:49 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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Hi all,

I got this response from Sam in relation to my question about possible
extension:

"The deadline had previously been moved from the beginning of May to May
15, but we would be happy to receive any inputs from the NCSG when they are
available.  Please submit to the publicly-archived email indicated and we
will include the NCSG?s inputs as we are continuing our analysis document."

so we have last change to weigh in the process and submit a comment to
respond to the questions.

Best,

Rafik

Le lun. 17 juin 2019 ? 11:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi Stephanie,
>
> that is why I resent the reminder and communication from the council . it
> will be also discussed in Marrakech meeting.
> of course as it is not standard public comment, there is no indication of
> who is the right ICANN staff managing this (I assume it is legal counsel).
> I will reach Sam Eisner to check.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le sam. 15 juin 2019 ? 23:46, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>
>> GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for
>> more time if we must....
>>
>> cheers Steph
>> On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>
>> Thanks for the response.
>> I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation
>> was announced for the first time
>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
>> .
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rafik
>>>
>>> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never active.
>>>
>>> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here? Do
>>> we still have time for that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>>>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>>>> Robin is participating there) .
>>>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the questionnaire.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>>>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>>>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>>>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>>>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law> <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>>>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org <
>>>> council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear about
>>>> from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process (IRP)
>>>> Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to focus
>>>> on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first
>>>> is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
>>>> several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
>>>> ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
>>>> the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
>>>> obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and for
>>>> future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>>>> respective views.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 01:48:30 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:48:30 +0900
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Hi,

we will continue clean-up the document and try to be more concrete (more
actions oriented) in term of suggestions. also preparing for the
interaction with Brian next week based on that.

on another topic, I will advice everyone to listen to the recording of the
GNSO webinar that was holds on Monday and what WG leadership as concerns (
we might agree or not with their assessments)

Best,

Rafik
Le lun. 17 juin 2019 ? 15:47, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
> I read comments made by others, why don?t we just delete anything that is
> not ready to be submitted and submit the clean parts?
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Mon 17. Jun 2019 at 08:45, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> That makes sense to me.  I am afraid that our comment does not exactly
>> convey our substantive concerns yet, or at least I cannot follow the
>> logic.  I don't see this as an opportunity to be expansive about the MS
>> mandate (i.e. like a manifesto) I see it as a forum for making concrete,
>> actionable suggestions with evidence of problems well described.
>>
>> cheers SP
>> On 2019-06-16 22:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> thanks for the edits.
>> I tried to clean-up the document and remove the unnecessary parts. it is
>> getting shape but I am not sure that is ready since some items on list have
>> no comments. They need to be filled.
>>
>> Reading Stephanie email about inviting Brian to NCSG session, I was
>> wondering about :
>> - reach staff about the comment , we will be late even after the deadline
>> extension, checking when they are planning to issue the summary report.
>> Depending of the date, we might have a "grace period" or not.
>> - using the comment to channel our concerns directly to Brian during NCSG
>> session in Marrakech and follow-up after in written form depending if we
>> can make it for the public comment. I think our focus should be the
>> substance , complaining about the process initiated by board to Brian
>> doesn't make sense IMHO since he was hired to do the work (and not
>> responsible for starting this)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 22:35, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
>> a ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am now in transit and will try work on this in this evening or
>>> tomorrow.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> On Fri 14. Jun 2019 at 15:25, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I reviewed quickly but I?ll have to review it meticulously after
>>>> checking in with you folks. Generally, this looks like a human rights
>>>> report, not a public comment. I?m not sure if we should change the whole
>>>> format or keep it the way it is? (I am aware we don?t have much time
>>>> anymore - but if someone else is willing to work on it with me, I?d be
>>>> happy to do it).
>>>>
>>>> E.
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 4:52 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> thanks Stephanie, yes everyone should jump in to tidy-up and resolve
>>>>> issues in the draft.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> Le ven. 14 juin 2019 ? 09:56, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to edit this, but it needs extensive revision in my
>>>>>> view.  Not clear where the tangents we are going off on are coming from....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please tune in folks.  This is important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steph
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2019-06-13 14:55, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is an urgent task for NCSG PC to review and prepare this draft
>>>>>> for submission. we are already late and we should make it by this week as
>>>>>> it is critical public comment.
>>>>>> tidying-up the document and proof-reading are needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> De : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: mer. 12 juin 2019 ? 18:19
>>>>>> Subject: [Urgent] NCSG Comment on Evolving ICANN?s Multistakeholder
>>>>>> Model
>>>>>> To: NCSG <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please find for review and comment the NCSG submission on  Evolving
>>>>>> ICANN?s Multistakeholder Model
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Pz4rYiUx3FDl7af_stZYfRig0rgqekbRGFAxwG748D4/edit
>>>>>> , prepared by a drafting team for your consideration and review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Consultant
>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
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>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 01:55:16 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:55:16 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] REQUEST FOR INPUT and the EPDP Team input
 in response to GNSO Council's request
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Hi,

sending reminder here about  feedback to council regarding the phase 1 EPDP
recommendation resolution by board.
council will discuss the topic next week and will have meeting with the
board.

Best,

Rafik


Le jeu. 13 juin 2019 ? 07:18, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> This is request to send input to council about phase 1 recommendations
> board vote. I added the ncsg epdp list in cc to reach our reps to EPDP team
> and asking them for guidance. We also need to add any procedural concerns.
> GNSO council will discuss the topic with board at Marrakech meeting.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:14
> Subject: [council] REQUEST FOR INPUT and the EPDP Team input in response
> to GNSO Council's request
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> As requested, the EPDP Team submitted its input (attached) on the Phase 1
> recommendations to the GNSO Council in advance of our interaction with the
> ICANN Board in Marrakech.
>
>
>
> If your respective SGs and Cs have any further input to the Council,
> please send it to the Council list by this Friday so we can plan
> accordingly.
>
>
>
> Our interaction with the Board in Marrakech will be the beginning of our
> dialogue on this matter.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> *From:* Janis Karklins <karklinsj at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 09, 2019 4:23 PM
> *To:* Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
> *Cc:* gnso-epdp-team at icann.org; gnso-epdp-lead at icann.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] EPDP Team input in response to GNSO Council's
> request
>
>
>
> Dear Keith,
>
>
>
> Following the request of the GNSO Council for the EPDP Team to identify
> any questions, comments or concerns to be shared with the ICANN Board in
> relation to their action on the EPDP Phase 1 Recommendations, 3 groups
> provided their feedback (see Annex A) which the EPDP Team discussed during
> its meeting on 6 June 2019. Although there was not sufficient time to
> formalize and agree on an EPDP Team response, the team felt it important to
> share the different perspectives with you to help inform the Council?s
> preparation for the consultation process with the ICANN Board. My take-away
> from the discussion was that:
>
>
>
> ?         In relation to purpose 2, there is general understanding for
> why the Board decided to not adopt this purpose and the EPDP Team confirms
> that it considers it firmly within its scope for phase 2 to further review
> this purpose in the context of the System for Standardized Access /
> Disclosure (SSAD);
>
> ?         For recommendation #12, some additional context has been
> provided that may help explain the thinking behind the EPDP Team?s original
> recommendation. However, there is no agreement at this stage on whether or
> not the Board?s non-adoption should be supported.
>
>
>
> The EPDP Team understands that following the GNSO Council?s consultation
> with the ICANN Board you will follow up with us to provide an update on
> dialogue with ICANN Board and request further input on the possible next
> steps for GNSO Council. The EPDP Team stands ready to assist as needed.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Janis Karklins
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 17:03:21 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:03:21 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] Request for Volunteers -- Marrakech GNSO
 Council Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
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Hi,

reminder if someone can volunteer and attend this special meeting.

Best,

Rafik

Le jeu. 13 juin 2019 ? 07:41, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi,
>
> There is a schedule clash with this session. Can a councillor volunteer to
> attend this session and report the discussion?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:38
> Subject: [council] Request for Volunteers -- Marrakech GNSO Council
> Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> As we approach ICANN65, if you would like to participate in the special
> sub-group meeting of the GNSO Council and GAC on IGO CRP next steps, please
> let me know.
>
>
>
> This session is not mandatory, but it would be helpful to have decent
> representation. The meeting is scheduled for one hour on Tuesday 25 June at
> 13:30.
>
>
>
> Our focus will be on next steps for the RPM PDP WG and, more specifically,
> chartering a dedicated sub-group to focus on IGO protections. Our goal is
> to clarify our intentions with regard to this new sub-group and encourage
> interested GAC members and IGOs to participate.
>
>
>
> I will co-chair the session with Manal. If you have an interest in the RPM
> PDP WG and/or the IGO CRP issue, I encourage your participation.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Keith
> _______________________________________________
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 07:33:47 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 00:33:47 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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Hello Rafik

I drafted a brief response to the 4 questions. I didn't know if you had
prepared a google doc, sorry if I missed it. But the doc I prepared is
here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhgKD9GhzheUVBC740WrEszd7dc1JtHwg7Q1wTNYPX8/edit?usp=sharing

Farzaneh


On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:36 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I got this response from Sam in relation to my question about possible
> extension:
>
> "The deadline had previously been moved from the beginning of May to May
> 15, but we would be happy to receive any inputs from the NCSG when they are
> available.  Please submit to the publicly-archived email indicated and we
> will include the NCSG?s inputs as we are continuing our analysis document."
>
> so we have last change to weigh in the process and submit a comment to
> respond to the questions.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le lun. 17 juin 2019 ? 11:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Hi Stephanie,
>>
>> that is why I resent the reminder and communication from the council . it
>> will be also discussed in Marrakech meeting.
>> of course as it is not standard public comment, there is no indication of
>> who is the right ICANN staff managing this (I assume it is legal counsel).
>> I will reach Sam Eisner to check.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le sam. 15 juin 2019 ? 23:46, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>
>>> GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for
>>> more time if we must....
>>>
>>> cheers Steph
>>> On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response.
>>> I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation
>>> was announced for the first time
>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
>>> .
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rafik
>>>>
>>>> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never
>>>> active.
>>>>
>>>> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here?
>>>> Do we still have time for that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>>>>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>>>>> Robin is participating there) .
>>>>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the
>>>>> questionnaire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>>>>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>>>>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>>>>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>>>>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law> <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>>>>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear
>>>>> about from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process
>>>>> (IRP) Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to
>>>>> focus on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The first
>>>>> is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25 members
>>>>> several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation. Second, the
>>>>> ICANN community will be required to contribute to the discussions around
>>>>> the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is a critical bylaw
>>>>> obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the second half of 2019.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and
>>>>> for future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>>>>> respective views.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> council mailing list
>>>>> council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
>>>>> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the
>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
>>>>> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 03:01:05 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:01:05 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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Thanks Farzaneh for the drafting!
please share it in NCSG list too.
@PC members please review the responses asap.

Best,

Rafik


Le mer. 19 juin 2019 ? 13:34, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hello Rafik
>
> I drafted a brief response to the 4 questions. I didn't know if you had
> prepared a google doc, sorry if I missed it. But the doc I prepared is
> here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhgKD9GhzheUVBC740WrEszd7dc1JtHwg7Q1wTNYPX8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:36 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I got this response from Sam in relation to my question about possible
>> extension:
>>
>> "The deadline had previously been moved from the beginning of May to May
>> 15, but we would be happy to receive any inputs from the NCSG when they are
>> available.  Please submit to the publicly-archived email indicated and we
>> will include the NCSG?s inputs as we are continuing our analysis document."
>>
>> so we have last change to weigh in the process and submit a comment to
>> respond to the questions.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le lun. 17 juin 2019 ? 11:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> that is why I resent the reminder and communication from the council .
>>> it will be also discussed in Marrakech meeting.
>>> of course as it is not standard public comment, there is no indication
>>> of who is the right ICANN staff managing this (I assume it is legal
>>> counsel). I will reach Sam Eisner to check.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le sam. 15 juin 2019 ? 23:46, Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for
>>>> more time if we must....
>>>>
>>>> cheers Steph
>>>> On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>> I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation
>>>> was announced for the first time
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never
>>>>> active.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here?
>>>>> Do we still have time for that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>>>>>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>>>>>> Robin is participating there) .
>>>>>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the
>>>>>> questionnaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>>>>>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>>>>>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>>>>>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>>>>>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law> <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>>>>>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear
>>>>>> about from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process
>>>>>> (IRP) Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to
>>>>>> focus on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The
>>>>>> first is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25
>>>>>> members several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation.
>>>>>> Second, the ICANN community will be required to contribute to the
>>>>>> discussions around the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is
>>>>>> a critical bylaw obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the
>>>>>> second half of 2019.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and
>>>>>> for future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>>>>>> respective views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> council mailing list
>>>>>> council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>>> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>>>> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy (
>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and the website Terms of
>>>>>> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the
>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
>>>>>> delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 11:37:33 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 09:37:33 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO
 CRP
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Hi all,

as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
chairing EPDP sessions.
can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to attend
and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note what
was discussed and suggested there.
the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
facilitated dialogue yet.

Best,

Rafik


---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Hi all,



This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
session.



As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for re-chartering
the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider Recommendation
5 and the IGO protections issue.



As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested parties
from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on how
best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record it
and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.



Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
out on the conversation.



Thanks,

Keith




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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 13:19:10 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:19:10 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
 IGO CRP
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4c1429d53e24b50b6b7234ca332a720@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Rafik,

I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
anything I get from that informal meeting.

Thanks,
Arsene

2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
> chairing EPDP sessions.
> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to attend
> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note what
> was discussed and suggested there.
> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
> facilitated dialogue yet.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
> session.
>
>
>
> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for re-chartering
> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider Recommendation
> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>
>
>
> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested parties
> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on how
> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record it
> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
> out on the conversation.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>
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> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
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> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
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>


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From icann at ferdeline.com  Mon Jun 24 13:26:50 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:26:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: SCBO needs a new Chair
In-Reply-To: <t0nhpxA2Pt-nlC6_4ISdJd_Mk-MhLgAq9nVxisE91o8-wrPW2KoOW-FC4zRpOtKKyDM6iOCOYKIufw5QmJIznhuO5wuKLMXu1EEZu7M5VQU=@ferdeline.com>
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FYI - I hope an NCSG Councillor will express interest in chairing the Council's Standing Committee on Budget and Operations. This is a great working group with a committed membership and excellent staff support.

Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, 24 June 2019 12:19, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I will not be representing the NCSG on the GNSO Council as of the Montr?al annual general meeting, so it is time for me to move on as Chair of this Standing Committee.
>
> I will not be disappearing immediately and I do hope to remain involved in this Standing Committee in the future as a Subject Matter Expert. But as we move closer and closer to the FY21 budgetary cycle, and as we look to coordinate more with the ccNSO's SOPC, I think it makes sense for this Standing Committee to seat a new Chair who is able to offer continuity of leadership over the coming year.
>
> I will communicate this to GNSO Council leadership today, but I wanted you to hear this from me first. Thanks!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Mon Jun 24 13:33:38 2019
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:33:38 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: SCBO needs a new Chair
In-Reply-To: <kovNGM3hzO2kTP_hU9KjMaZUl-BOhxZjOnAHnfsJe2zY5107G3rIp3ya2Ir21L60154OqLbRT8qoD6idpzT1EpJyAJevG7XMfSEUC447YMg=@ferdeline.com>
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Dear All,

Based on Ayden suggestion, and expected new councillors coming in I wish to
recommend Farzi as Chair of this standing committee, she fits the bill.

Just my opinion, I hope she accepts it and its supported.

Thank you

Poncelet

On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 10:27, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> FYI - I hope an NCSG Councillor will express interest in chairing the
> Council's Standing Committee on Budget and Operations. This is a great
> working group with a committed membership and excellent staff support.
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Monday, 24 June 2019 12:19, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I will not be representing the NCSG on the GNSO Council as of the Montr?al
> annual general meeting, so it is time for me to move on as Chair of this
> Standing Committee.
>
> I will not be disappearing immediately and I do hope to remain involved in
> this Standing Committee in the future as a Subject Matter Expert. But as we
> move closer and closer to the FY21 budgetary cycle, and as we look to
> coordinate more with the ccNSO's SOPC, I think it makes sense for this
> Standing Committee to seat a new Chair who is able to offer continuity of
> leadership over the coming year.
>
> I will communicate this to GNSO Council leadership today, but I wanted you
> to hear this from me first. Thanks!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>


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Fax:(220) 4390793
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Mon Jun 24 13:38:10 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:38:10 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: SCBO needs a new Chair
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References: <t0nhpxA2Pt-nlC6_4ISdJd_Mk-MhLgAq9nVxisE91o8-wrPW2KoOW-FC4zRpOtKKyDM6iOCOYKIufw5QmJIznhuO5wuKLMXu1EEZu7M5VQU=@ferdeline.com>
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I am looking to hand this role over ASAP, because the Chair will need to meet with ccNSO leadership in July and begin work on identifying GNSO resourcing needs and the budget process next month too, so I think it would be better if the new Chair was an existing and continuing member of Council who can step in immediately and take on this role.

Best wishes, Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, 24 June 2019 12:33, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Based on Ayden suggestion, and expected new councillors coming in I wish to recommend Farzi as Chair of this standing committee, she fits the bill.
>
> Just my opinion, I hope she accepts it and its supported.
>
> Thank you
>
> Poncelet
>
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 10:27, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI - I hope an NCSG Councillor will express interest in chairing the Council's Standing Committee on Budget and Operations. This is a great working group with a committed membership and excellent staff support.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Monday, 24 June 2019 12:19, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I will not be representing the NCSG on the GNSO Council as of the Montr?al annual general meeting, so it is time for me to move on as Chair of this Standing Committee.
>>>
>>> I will not be disappearing immediately and I do hope to remain involved in this Standing Committee in the future as a Subject Matter Expert. But as we move closer and closer to the FY21 budgetary cycle, and as we look to coordinate more with the ccNSO's SOPC, I think it makes sense for this Standing Committee to seat a new Chair who is able to offer continuity of leadership over the coming year.
>>>
>>> I will communicate this to GNSO Council leadership today, but I wanted you to hear this from me first. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> --
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> Coordinator
> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
> MDI Road Kanifing South
> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
> The Gambia, West Africa
> Tel: (220) 4370240
> Fax:(220) 4390793
> Cell:(220) 9912508
> Skype: pons_utd
> www.ymca.gm
> http://jokkolabs.net/en/
> www.waigf.org
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Mon Jun 24 13:47:20 2019
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:47:20 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG PC meeting today
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4c1429d53e24b50b6b7234ca332a720@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0222ddf8-37eb-829c-81c7-92c517c17562@kathykleiman.com>

Hi All,

Whoever is chairing the PC meeting, I would like to ask for a few 
minutes towards the end of the meeting (I'll be in Subpro WG until it 
ends at/around 4:15pm and then coming to join you...) Goal: discussion 
of a bit of issues being encountered in SubPro WG's responses to NCSG 
concerns re: New gTLD application process.

Tx!? Kathy

On 6/24/2019 9:37 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will 
> be chairing EPDP sessions.
> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to 
> attend and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need 
> to note what was discussed and suggested there.
> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about 
> following process by having the public comment for input and not 
> initiating any facilitated dialogue yet.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De?: *Drazek, Keith via council* <council at gnso.icann.org 
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ??08:50
> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org> 
> <council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> 
> <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested 
> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to 
> those of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this 
> optional session.
>
> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups 
> indicating they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public 
> comment. In the meantime, the Council will continue to explore next 
> steps for re-chartering the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated 
> sub-group to consider Recommendation 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>
> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested 
> parties from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we 
> agreed that the session would be most productive if it was informal 
> and focused on how best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped 
> appropriately. Anyone is welcome to attend and observe this session, 
> but we do not plan to record it and hope an informal dialogue at this 
> time will help to inform our work.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to 
> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course 
> report out on the conversation.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>
> _______________________________________________
> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of 
> your personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list 
> accordance with the ICANN Privacy Policy 
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 13:55:32 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:55:32 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG PC meeting today
In-Reply-To: <0222ddf8-37eb-829c-81c7-92c517c17562@kathykleiman.com>
References: <a4c1429d53e24b50b6b7234ca332a720@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <0222ddf8-37eb-829c-81c7-92c517c17562@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=EOLdmRLm0Ao1NzhJG5f50CCeUtihJR407irx59yCH5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kathy,

I will be chairing the meeting.
the agenda is as usual starting first with GNSO council public meeting
session.
my understanding is that Subpro has been allocated a full timeslot during
NCSG meeting this week to be chaired by Stephanie. I guess that would be a
duplication ?

Best,

Rafik

Le lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 11:48, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> a
?crit :

> Hi All,
>
> Whoever is chairing the PC meeting, I would like to ask for a few minutes
> towards the end of the meeting (I'll be in Subpro WG until it ends
> at/around 4:15pm and then coming to join you...) Goal: discussion of a bit
> of issues being encountered in SubPro WG's responses to NCSG concerns re:
> New gTLD application process.
>
> Tx!  Kathy
> On 6/24/2019 9:37 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
> chairing EPDP sessions.
> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
> attend and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to
> note what was discussed and suggested there.
> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
> facilitated dialogue yet.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
> session.
>
>
>
> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for re-chartering
> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider Recommendation
> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>
>
>
> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested parties
> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on how
> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record it
> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
>
>
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
> out on the conversation.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>
> _______________________________________________
> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and
> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can
> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Mon Jun 24 16:59:53 2019
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 14:59:53 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG PC meeting today
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=EOLdmRLm0Ao1NzhJG5f50CCeUtihJR407irx59yCH5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4c1429d53e24b50b6b7234ca332a720@verisign.com>
 <CAH5sThkSdWXRW8uALR0E2GpbvnoN-sGvabq7MzJa951uX01WiQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <0222ddf8-37eb-829c-81c7-92c517c17562@kathykleiman.com>
 <CAH5sTh=EOLdmRLm0Ao1NzhJG5f50CCeUtihJR407irx59yCH5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5866711-1192-e59f-b07c-fd1907b37bbd@kathykleiman.com>

Hi Rafik, the ether dropped the email from Stephanie to me. Yes, you are 
right, we will talk about this at the full NCSG meeting on Wednesday.? 
Looking forward!

Best, Kathy

On 6/24/2019 11:55 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Kathy,
>
> I will be chairing the?meeting.
> the agenda is as usual starting first with GNSO council public meeting 
> session.
> my understanding is that Subpro has been allocated a full timeslot 
> during NCSG meeting this week to be chaired by Stephanie. I guess that 
> would be a duplication ?
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le?lun. 24 juin 2019 ??11:48, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com 
> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>> a ?crit?:
>
>     Hi All,
>
>     Whoever is chairing the PC meeting, I would like to ask for a few
>     minutes towards the end of the meeting (I'll be in Subpro WG until
>     it ends at/around 4:15pm and then coming to join you...) Goal:
>     discussion of a bit of issues being encountered in SubPro WG's
>     responses to NCSG concerns re: New gTLD application process.
>
>     Tx!? Kathy
>
>     On 6/24/2019 9:37 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>     will be chairing EPDP sessions.
>>     can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session
>>     to attend and take notes. while it is about informal discussion,
>>     we need to note what was discussed and suggested there.
>>     the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>     following process by having the public comment for input and not
>>     initiating any facilitated dialogue yet.
>>
>>     Best,
>>
>>     Rafik
>>
>>
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>     De?: *Drazek, Keith via council* <council at gnso.icann.org
>>     <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>     Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ??08:50
>>     Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>     To: council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>>     <council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>     Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>     <gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between
>>     interested members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP
>>     topic. Thanks to those of you who have volunteered to attend and
>>     contribute to this optional session.
>>
>>     As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>     indicating they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for
>>     public comment. In the meantime, the Council will continue to
>>     explore next steps for re-chartering the RPM PDP WG to include a
>>     dedicated sub-group to consider Recommendation 5 and the IGO
>>     protections issue.
>>
>>     As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with
>>     interested parties from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal
>>     yesterday and we agreed that the session would be most productive
>>     if it was informal and focused on how best to ensure the
>>     dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is welcome to
>>     attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record it
>>     and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform
>>     our work.
>>
>>     Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>>     participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>     report out on the conversation.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Keith
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     council mailing list
>>     council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>>     https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Jun 25 11:07:20 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:07:20 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Meeting with our Board members tomorrow morning 7:30
Message-ID: <3d2fbba6-17fb-54ac-6c44-1f883061f20a@mail.utoronto.ca>

Hi folks, we have a one hour breakfast meeting at the Hotel du Golf breakfast place.  Starts at 7:30, I would love some help grabbing enough tables at the back at around 7:20.  It is always tough figuring out how many to invite...but more than about 10 makes it crazy.

cheers Stephanie
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 16:48:47 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 15:48:47 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
 IGO CRP
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Hi all,

I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:

-	Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will be
the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
not focus on this now.

-	GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1 to
#4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.

-	Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.

-	With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition, timeline
as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.

-	This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise
and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
about who we will send there.

-	Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC members,
interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
well.

This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
closely.

@Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?

Thanks,
Arsene


2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
> Hi Rafik,
>
> I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
> someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
> anything I get from that informal meeting.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
>> chairing EPDP sessions.
>> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>> attend
>> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
>> what
>> was discussed and suggested there.
>> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
>> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
>> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>> session.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
>> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
>> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>> re-chartering
>> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>> Recommendation
>> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>> parties
>> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
>> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
>> how
>> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
>> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record
>> it
>> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
>> out on the conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> council mailing list
>> council at gnso.icann.org
>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and
>> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can
>> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> <
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>
> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>


-- 
------------------------
**Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
GPG: 523644A0

2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
<
http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>

(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
<https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member


From elsa.saade at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 17:01:53 2019
From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:01:53 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
 IGO CRP
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This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely vocal
already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision about
our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe we
should consult with our members too about the situation?

I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve
already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a
pathway forward. Any thoughts?

Best,

Elsa
?

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>
> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will
> be
> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
> not focus on this now.
>
> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1 to
> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>
> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>
> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
> timeline
> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>
> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise
> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
> about who we will send there.
>
> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC members,
> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
> well.
>
> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
> closely.
>
> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
>
> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
> > Hi Rafik,
> >
> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Arsene
> >
> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will
> be
> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
> >> attend
> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
> >> what
> >> was discussed and suggested there.
> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
> those
> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
> >> session.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
> >> re-chartering
> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
> >> Recommendation
> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
> >> parties
> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
> >> how
> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record
> >> it
> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
> >> out on the conversation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> council mailing list
> >> council at gnso.icann.org
> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
> accordance
> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
> and
> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You
> can
> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------
> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
> > GPG: 523644A0
> >
> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> > <
> >
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >
> >
> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
> >
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> <
>
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
> >
>
> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 17:48:23 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 15:48:23 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
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Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.

As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with this new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be represented there

Sent from my iPhone

> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe we should consult with our members too about the situation?
> 
> I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a pathway forward. Any thoughts?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Elsa
> ?
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>> 
>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will be
>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>> not focus on this now.
>> 
>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1 to
>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>> 
>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>> 
>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition, timeline
>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>> 
>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise
>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>> about who we will send there.
>> 
>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC members,
>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>> well.
>> 
>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>> closely.
>> 
>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>> 
>> 
>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Rafik,
>> >
>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Arsene
>> >
>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>> >> attend
>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
>> >> what
>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Rafik
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>> >> session.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>> >> re-chartering
>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>> >> Recommendation
>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>> >> parties
>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
>> >> how
>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record
>> >> it
>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
>> >> out on the conversation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> council mailing list
>> >> council at gnso.icann.org
>> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
>> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and
>> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can
>> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
>> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------
>> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>> > GPG: 523644A0
>> >
>> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> > <
>> > http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> >
>> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> ------------------------
>> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> 
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> <
>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> 
>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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> --
> 
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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From elsa.saade at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 18:00:13 2019
From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 11:00:13 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
 IGO CRP
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Hi Arsene,

We?ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.

My two cents.

E.
?

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use every
> opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>
> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with this
> new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that will
> be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be represented
> there
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely vocal
> already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision about
> our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe we
> should consult with our members too about the situation?
>
> I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve
> already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a
> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>
> Best,
>
> Elsa
> ?
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>
>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will
>> be
>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>> not focus on this now.
>>
>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1
>> to
>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>
>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>
>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>> timeline
>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>
>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise
>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>> about who we will send there.
>>
>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>> members,
>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>> well.
>>
>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>> closely.
>>
>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>>
>>
>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>> > Hi Rafik,
>> >
>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Arsene
>> >
>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will
>> be
>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>> >> attend
>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
>> >> what
>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Rafik
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>> those
>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>> >> session.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In
>> the
>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>> >> re-chartering
>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>> >> Recommendation
>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>> >> parties
>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>> that
>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
>> >> how
>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone
>> is
>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>> record
>> >> it
>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>> work.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>> report
>> >> out on the conversation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> council mailing list
>> >> council at gnso.icann.org
>> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>> accordance
>> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>> and
>> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You
>> can
>> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
>> or
>> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ------------------------
>> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>> > GPG: 523644A0
>> >
>> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> > <
>> >
>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>> >
>> >
>> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------
>> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>> GPG: 523644A0
>>
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>> <
>>
>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>> >
>>
>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
> --
--

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Consultant
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 18:08:44 2019
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (usr)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 16:08:44 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
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Elsa, you have my support to jump to action in a united front if we have one. 

 

Best,

Mart?n

 

From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 4:00 PM
To: Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
Cc: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP

 

Hi Arsene,

 

We?ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.

 

My two cents.

 

E.

?

 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.

 

As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with this new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be represented there

Sent from my iPhone


On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:

This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe we should consult with our members too about the situation?

 

I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a pathway forward. Any thoughts?

 

Best,

 

Elsa

?

 

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:

-       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what will be
the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
not focus on this now.

-       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1 to
#4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.

-       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.

-       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition, timeline
as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.

-       This new group should be formed of people with the right expertise
and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
about who we will send there.

-       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC members,
interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
well.

This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
closely.

@Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?

Thanks,
Arsene


2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
> Hi Rafik,
>
> I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
> someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
> anything I get from that informal meeting.
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I will be
>> chairing EPDP sessions.
>> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>> attend
>> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
>> what
>> was discussed and suggested there.
>> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about following
>> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to those
>> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>> session.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups indicating
>> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In the
>> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>> re-chartering
>> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>> Recommendation
>> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>> parties
>> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed that
>> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
>> how
>> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone is
>> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to record
>> it
>> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course report
>> out on the conversation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> council mailing list
>> council at gnso.icann.org
>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of your
>> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list accordance
>> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy) and
>> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can
>> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or
>> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------
> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
> GPG: 523644A0
>
> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
> <
> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>
> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>


-- 
------------------------
**Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
GPG: 523644A0

2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
<
http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>

(YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
<https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
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Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 16:10:46 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
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Hi,

thanks Arsene for the notes. I think the points are similar of what raised
before in GNSO Council meetings and also the same suggestions about moving
forward.
I think the only effective way is to participate at the drafting team work
and having volunteering there to influence the outcomes. we know what other
groups are pushing as position and possible change in charter of RPM (it is
beyond rec #5 but likely rechartering the whole RPM too). it is not matter
of statement or whatever. need volunteers in the small team working on
charter and scoping.

Best,

Rafik

Le mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 16:00, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi Arsene,
>
> We?ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.
>
> My two cents.
>
> E.
> ?
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use
>> every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>>
>> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with
>> this new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that
>> will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be
>> represented there
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely
>> vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision
>> about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe
>> we should consult with our members too about the situation?
>>
>> I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve
>> already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a
>> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Elsa
>> ?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>>
>>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what
>>> will be
>>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>>> not focus on this now.
>>>
>>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec #1
>>> to
>>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>>
>>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>>
>>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>>> timeline
>>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>>
>>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right
>>> expertise
>>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>>> about who we will send there.
>>>
>>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>>> members,
>>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>>> closely.
>>>
>>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say something?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>>
>>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>> >
>>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
>>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Arsene
>>> >
>>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>> will be
>>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>>> >> attend
>>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to note
>>> >> what
>>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>> following
>>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Rafik
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>>> those
>>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>>> >> session.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>> indicating
>>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In
>>> the
>>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>>> >> re-chartering
>>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>>> >> Recommendation
>>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>>> >> parties
>>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>>> that
>>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused on
>>> >> how
>>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately. Anyone
>>> is
>>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>>> record
>>> >> it
>>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>>> work.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>> report
>>> >> out on the conversation.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Keith
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> council mailing list
>>> >> council at gnso.icann.org
>>> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>> your
>>> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>> accordance
>>> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>>> and
>>> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>> You can
>>> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>>> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery
>>> or
>>> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > ------------------------
>>> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>> > GPG: 523644A0
>>> >
>>> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> > <
>>> >
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ------------------------
>>> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>
>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>> <
>>>
>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>> >
>>>
>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> Elsa Saade
>> Consultant
>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>
>> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
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From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:52:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
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Id be happy to work in the rechartering process. However, I?d like to work
based on a united NCSG voice on this matter. I?d highly support a
collaboration meeting to get to the ends of this subject on which I could
base my work in the drafting team.

E.
?

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks Arsene for the notes. I think the points are similar of what raised
> before in GNSO Council meetings and also the same suggestions about moving
> forward.
> I think the only effective way is to participate at the drafting team work
> and having volunteering there to influence the outcomes. we know what other
> groups are pushing as position and possible change in charter of RPM (it is
> beyond rec #5 but likely rechartering the whole RPM too). it is not matter
> of statement or whatever. need volunteers in the small team working on
> charter and scoping.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 16:00, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Arsene,
>>
>> We?ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> E.
>> ?
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use
>>> every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>>>
>>> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with
>>> this new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that
>>> will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be
>>> represented there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely
>>> vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision
>>> about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe
>>> we should consult with our members too about the situation?
>>>
>>> I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve
>>> already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a
>>> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Elsa
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>>>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>>>
>>>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what
>>>> will be
>>>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>>>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>>>> not focus on this now.
>>>>
>>>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec
>>>> #1 to
>>>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>>>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>>>
>>>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>>>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>>>
>>>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>>>> timeline
>>>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>>>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>>>
>>>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right
>>>> expertise
>>>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>>>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>>>> about who we will send there.
>>>>
>>>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>>>> members,
>>>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>>>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>>>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>>>> closely.
>>>>
>>>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say
>>>> something?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Arsene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
>>>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>>>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Arsene
>>>> >
>>>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>>> will be
>>>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>>>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>>>> >> attend
>>>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to
>>>> note
>>>> >> what
>>>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>>>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>>> following
>>>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>>>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>>>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>>>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>>>> those
>>>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>>>> >> session.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>>> indicating
>>>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In
>>>> the
>>>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>>>> >> re-chartering
>>>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>>>> >> Recommendation
>>>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>>>> >> parties
>>>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>>>> that
>>>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused
>>>> on
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately.
>>>> Anyone is
>>>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>>>> record
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>>>> work.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>>>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>>> report
>>>> >> out on the conversation.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Keith
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> council mailing list
>>>> >> council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>> your
>>>> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>> accordance
>>>> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>>>> and
>>>> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>>> You can
>>>> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>>>> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style
>>>> delivery or
>>>> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>>> > GPG: 523644A0
>>>> >
>>>> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>>> > <
>>>> >
>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>>> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>
>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>>> <
>>>>
>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>>> --
>> --
>>
>> Elsa Saade
>> Consultant
>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>
> --
--

Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 20:00:38 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:00:38 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on
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Hi Elsa,

as it is about chartering, I think you can ask for input and guidance when
needed since you would have more specifics. For now, we only have vague
ideas what it will be pushed (like those listed in the notes) such as about
the limited representation etc. To respond to them, we need to think how to
mitigate the risks and bring our own participants there.

Best,

Rafik

Le mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 17:52, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Id be happy to work in the rechartering process. However, I?d like to work
> based on a united NCSG voice on this matter. I?d highly support a
> collaboration meeting to get to the ends of this subject on which I could
> base my work in the drafting team.
>
> E.
> ?
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks Arsene for the notes. I think the points are similar of what
>> raised before in GNSO Council meetings and also the same suggestions about
>> moving forward.
>> I think the only effective way is to participate at the drafting team
>> work and having volunteering there to influence the outcomes. we know what
>> other groups are pushing as position and possible change in charter of RPM
>> (it is beyond rec #5 but likely rechartering the whole RPM too). it is not
>> matter of statement or whatever. need volunteers in the small team working
>> on charter and scoping.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 16:00, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi Arsene,
>>>
>>> We?ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.
>>>
>>> My two cents.
>>>
>>> E.
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elsa, i think for now, let?s follow the conversation closely and use
>>>> every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>>>>
>>>> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with
>>>> this new agreement, let?s make sure we are part of the drafting team that
>>>> will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be
>>>> represented there
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I?ve been extremely
>>>> vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision
>>>> about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe
>>>> we should consult with our members too about the situation?
>>>>
>>>> I know we?ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we?ve
>>>> already discussed this several times, but we haven?t made a decision on a
>>>> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Elsa
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>>>>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what
>>>>> will be
>>>>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>>>>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>>>>> not focus on this now.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec
>>>>> #1 to
>>>>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>>>>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>>>>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>>>>> timeline
>>>>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>>>>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right
>>>>> expertise
>>>>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>>>>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>>>>> about who we will send there.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>>>>> members,
>>>>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>>>>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>>>>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>>>>> closely.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say
>>>>> something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>>>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we
>>>>> need
>>>>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>>>>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > Arsene
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>>>> will be
>>>>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>>>>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>>>>> >> attend
>>>>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to
>>>>> note
>>>>> >> what
>>>>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>>>>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>>>> following
>>>>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 ? 08:50
>>>>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>>>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday?s 13:30 meeting between interested
>>>>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>>>>> those
>>>>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this
>>>>> optional
>>>>> >> session.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As you?ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>>>> indicating
>>>>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment.
>>>>> In the
>>>>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>>>>> >> re-chartering
>>>>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>>>>> >> Recommendation
>>>>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>>>>> >> parties
>>>>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> how
>>>>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately.
>>>>> Anyone is
>>>>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>>>>> record
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>>>>> work.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you?d like to
>>>>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>>>> report
>>>>> >> out on the conversation.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Keith
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> council mailing list
>>>>> >> council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>> >> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> By submitting your personal data, you consent to the processing of
>>>>> your
>>>>> >> personal data for purposes of subscribing to this mailing list
>>>>> accordance
>>>>> >> with the ICANN Privacy Policy (https://www.icann.org/privacy/policy)
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> the website Terms of Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos).
>>>>> You can
>>>>> >> visit the Mailman link above to change your membership status or
>>>>> >> configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style
>>>>> delivery or
>>>>> >> disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > ------------------------
>>>>> > **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>> > Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>>> > <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>>> > CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>>> > Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>>>> > GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>>>> > <
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>>> > <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF
>>>>> MAG
>>>>> > <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> **Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Fellow
>>>>> <
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> (YALI) - ICANN GNSO Council Member
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. UN IGF MAG
>>>>> <https://www.un.org/press/en/2018/pi2247.doc.htm> Member
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Consultant
>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 13:13:29 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:13:29 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Appointees
In-Reply-To: <CADwmshLZW==rjVM+2gJnopsGTORkJZD2uFLwjhWpc6qmDegDWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADwmshLZW==rjVM+2gJnopsGTORkJZD2uFLwjhWpc6qmDegDWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=1fBCnHXE-oRommrFuQAen_EdmRo_837Spi62NBknrfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

NPOC confirmed its representatives to NCSG PC. I would like to welcome
Carlos and David. Thanks again to Thomas for their term in PC.
@Maryam please add Carlos to the mailing list.

Best Regards,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org>
Date: mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 22:36
Subject: Appointees
To: <rafik.dammak.ncsg at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, <
npoc-ec at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Joan Kerr <
joankerr at fbsc.org>



Hello Rafik, All

Further to our conversation this afternoon, I am following up with this
email to let you know that David Cake, NPOC Policy Chair outgoing, and
Carlos Raul Gutierrez (incoming) Policy will jointly represent NPOC  on the
NCSG Policy Committee.

Regards,

-- 

Joan Kerr, Entrepreneur, Artist, Humanitarian

_____________________________________

Chair, Climate Smart Victory Garden Team

Chair, ICANN, Not for Profit Operations Constituency

Chair, IEEE Sustainable Agriculture Working Group

Chair, Science for Peace, Climate Smart Victory Gardens

Advisor, IEEE Humanitarian Initiatives Committee

Advisor, Climate Smart Agriculture Youth Network, (CSAYN) Canada

UN WSIS Award Recipient, for Content & Creativity

Durham Region Recipient, Community Partnership Award

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Wed Jun 26 13:16:13 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:16:13 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Appointees
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=1fBCnHXE-oRommrFuQAen_EdmRo_837Spi62NBknrfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADwmshLZW==rjVM+2gJnopsGTORkJZD2uFLwjhWpc6qmDegDWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=1fBCnHXE-oRommrFuQAen_EdmRo_837Spi62NBknrfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <QLO6qbTAdFz5dqFcC1IVPefhJQ_zEvEZKCtcqxY840JoQRU8KC0l_onO8NAehAvXxZ3WBi3_7p7SYy93Qz6yraR35lTFo1hfqKw8fvLwA-w=@ferdeline.com>

Welcome Carlos and David.

Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Wednesday, 26 June 2019 12:13, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> NPOC confirmed its representatives to NCSG PC. I would like to welcome Carlos and David. Thanks again to Thomas for their term in PC.
> @Maryam please add Carlos to the mailing list.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org>
> Date: mar. 25 juin 2019 ? 22:36
> Subject: Appointees
> To: <rafik.dammak.ncsg at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, <npoc-ec at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org>
>
> Hello Rafik, All
>
> Further to our conversation this afternoon, I am following up with this email to let you know that David Cake, NPOC Policy Chair outgoing, and Carlos Raul Gutierrez (incoming) Policy will jointly represent NPOC  on the NCSG Policy Committee.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
>
> Joan Kerr, Entrepreneur, Artist, Humanitarian
>
> _____________________________________
>
> Chair, Climate Smart Victory Garden Team
>
> Chair, ICANN, Not for Profit Operations Constituency
>
> Chair, IEEE Sustainable Agriculture Working Group
>
> Chair, Science for Peace, Climate Smart Victory Gardens
>
> Advisor, IEEE Humanitarian Initiatives Committee
>
> Advisor, Climate Smart Agriculture Youth Network, (CSAYN) Canada
>
> UN WSIS Award Recipient, for Content & Creativity
>
> Durham Region Recipient, Community Partnership Award
>
> Founder, Foundation for Building Sustainable Communities
>
> [www.joankerr.ca](http://www.joankerr.ca/), [www.fbsc.org](http://www.fbsc.org/)
>
> Skype: joankerr_fbsc
>
> 1-416-907-0783
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 20:42:06 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:42:06 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this
week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running
for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have
alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all
about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I
have to consider this carefully.
I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first.

Best,

Rafik
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 20:46:55 2019
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:46:55 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvCBH7S+bYe_3xsSYHvKrzjG0Wckms+MAbmjqK6morOoSA@mail.gmail.com>

 [Observer so my support is useless]

Rafik has been doing a great job, I am very glad that CSG wants to have him
for another year as the vice chair. We don't have anything explicit in the
procedures I think that prevents us from supporting him for another year.





Farzaneh


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this
> week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running
> for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have
> alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all
> about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I
> have to consider this carefully.
> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement
> first.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From dave at davecake.net  Wed Jun 26 20:48:14 2019
From: dave at davecake.net (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:48:14 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24BABFE9-86AE-4EF6-8022-0D6E2CA3C994@davecake.net>

If you are willing to do so (and you should not feel that you have to, you have already done a huge amount of work) I would happily support your good work continuing. Of course, that should not stop anyone else from appplying.

David

> On 26 Jun 2019, at 6:42 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I have to consider this carefully. 
> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc



From dave at davecake.net  Wed Jun 26 20:50:30 2019
From: dave at davecake.net (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:50:30 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvCBH7S+bYe_3xsSYHvKrzjG0Wckms+MAbmjqK6morOoSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvCBH7S+bYe_3xsSYHvKrzjG0Wckms+MAbmjqK6morOoSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59FC9DA0-BBAF-4178-B6F8-43283664E7B6@davecake.net>

Isn?t this for Vice-Chair when the current term ends in Marrakesh? So wouldn?t it be the new Council who votes? So your support is probably more important than that of some current councillors. 

David

> On 26 Jun 2019, at 6:46 pm, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  [Observer so my support is useless]
> 

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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 20:54:37 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:54:37 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <24BABFE9-86AE-4EF6-8022-0D6E2CA3C994@davecake.net>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
 <24BABFE9-86AE-4EF6-8022-0D6E2CA3C994@davecake.net>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgft4q-1NNrYgDnczRARDEpX7=ZOM0CTmvrn2zcO9D-tmA@mail.gmail.com>

Rafik,
As long as you want to do this, from my side you have a full support. You
have been doing an amazing job (thank you for this). It would be great to
have you there for another term.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed 26. Jun 2019 at 18:48, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:

> If you are willing to do so (and you should not feel that you have to, you
> have already done a huge amount of work) I would happily support your good
> work continuing. Of course, that should not stop anyone else from appplying.
>
> David
>
> > On 26 Jun 2019, at 6:42 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this
> week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running
> for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have
> alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all
> about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I
> have to consider this carefully.
> > I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement
> first.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From carlosraul at gutierrez.se  Wed Jun 26 20:56:51 2019
From: carlosraul at gutierrez.se (Carlos Raul Gutierrez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:56:51 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 20:58:09 2019
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:58:09 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgft4q-1NNrYgDnczRARDEpX7=ZOM0CTmvrn2zcO9D-tmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
 <24BABFE9-86AE-4EF6-8022-0D6E2CA3C994@davecake.net>
 <CADxLtgft4q-1NNrYgDnczRARDEpX7=ZOM0CTmvrn2zcO9D-tmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJjnsDGOodV=XhSwqU=GDWpwa4XN=0U+Kt1o1z-3fSJWEE6TVg@mail.gmail.com>

As Councilor you also have my support. Having you as vice chair is an asset
NCSG cannot give the luxury to reject. Please accept the CSG offer!

Best,
Martin

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 6:54 PM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rafik,
> As long as you want to do this, from my side you have a full support. You
> have been doing an amazing job (thank you for this). It would be great to
> have you there for another term.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Wed 26. Jun 2019 at 18:48, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>
>> If you are willing to do so (and you should not feel that you have to,
>> you have already done a huge amount of work) I would happily support your
>> good work continuing. Of course, that should not stop anyone else from
>> appplying.
>>
>> David
>>
>> > On 26 Jun 2019, at 6:42 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this
>> week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running
>> for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have
>> alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all
>> about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I
>> have to consider this carefully.
>> > I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement
>> first.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Rafik
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From elsa.saade at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 21:37:46 2019
From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:37:46 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
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Rafik,

Of course you have my support for another term. The amount of weight you?ve
been carrying is immense and you still do the job!!

In any case, I would encourage more communication amongst us all, and I
hope the next chair wether it?s Keith again or someone else would be more
communicative and collaborative with the leadership team. I know how hard
it has been for you in the past year when it comes to the balance between
neutrality and communication. And I hope this next term (if you accept the
request) will carry less weight on that front.

I appreciate the work you?ve been doing a lot Rafik. Thank you.

Best,

Elsa
?

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this
> week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running
> for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have
> alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all
> about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I
> have to consider this carefully.
> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement
> first.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
-- 
--

Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 21:59:13 2019
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:59:13 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
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Adding my voice of support to this, Rafik. 
Go for it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Jun 2019, at 19:37, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Rafik,
> 
> Of course you have my support for another term. The amount of weight you?ve been carrying is immense and you still do the job!!
> 
> In any case, I would encourage more communication amongst us all, and I hope the next chair wether it?s Keith again or someone else would be more communicative and collaborative with the leadership team. I know how hard it has been for you in the past year when it comes to the balance between neutrality and communication. And I hope this next term (if you accept the request) will carry less weight on that front.
> 
> I appreciate the work you?ve been doing a lot Rafik. Thank you.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Elsa
> ?
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I have to consider this carefully. 
>> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> -- 
> --
> 
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Wed Jun 26 22:02:46 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:02:46 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
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I dunno, I think we had better count how much time he put in on this first gang.  [this is a joke if you don't get it, you were not at our meeting today so you had better listen to the recording.]

Of course Fik, you should go for it, we will support you all we can.  Congratulations, it is a great honour to be asked again to do this.

cheers Steph


On 2019-06-26 14:37, Elsa S wrote:
Rafik,

Of course you have my support for another term. The amount of weight you?ve been carrying is immense and you still do the job!!

In any case, I would encourage more communication amongst us all, and I hope the next chair wether it?s Keith again or someone else would be more communicative and collaborative with the leadership team. I know how hard it has been for you in the past year when it comes to the balance between neutrality and communication. And I hope this next term (if you accept the request) will carry less weight on that front.

I appreciate the work you?ve been doing a lot Rafik. Thank you.

Best,

Elsa
?

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I have to consider this carefully.
I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first.

Best,

Rafik
_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
--
--

Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
Twitter: @Elsa_Saade



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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 18:13:26 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 16:13:26 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please
 Review
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it is reminder to all NCSG PC members to review the draft asap.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 19 juin 2019 ? 05:34, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hello Rafik
>
> I drafted a brief response to the 4 questions. I didn't know if you had
> prepared a google doc, sorry if I missed it. But the doc I prepared is
> here:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EhgKD9GhzheUVBC740WrEszd7dc1JtHwg7Q1wTNYPX8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:36 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I got this response from Sam in relation to my question about possible
>> extension:
>>
>> "The deadline had previously been moved from the beginning of May to May
>> 15, but we would be happy to receive any inputs from the NCSG when they are
>> available.  Please submit to the publicly-archived email indicated and we
>> will include the NCSG?s inputs as we are continuing our analysis document."
>>
>> so we have last change to weigh in the process and submit a comment to
>> respond to the questions.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le lun. 17 juin 2019 ? 11:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> that is why I resent the reminder and communication from the council .
>>> it will be also discussed in Marrakech meeting.
>>> of course as it is not standard public comment, there is no indication
>>> of who is the right ICANN staff managing this (I assume it is legal
>>> counsel). I will reach Sam Eisner to check.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le sam. 15 juin 2019 ? 23:46, Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> GOran brought this up in our chat.  They want us to respond.  Beg for
>>>> more time if we must....
>>>>
>>>> cheers Steph
>>>> On 2019-06-12 19:12, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>> I think we still have time respond. This is page where the consultation
>>>> was announced for the first time
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/independent-review-process-standing-panel-call-to-action
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 00:10 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> as far as I remember we had another member there but he was never
>>>>> active.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which questionnaire do you mean? Do you mean the one I attached here?
>>>>> Do we still have time for that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 2 action items regarding IRP standing panel , starting with
>>>>>> adding more volunteers to the implementation oversight team (I think only
>>>>>> Robin is participating there) .
>>>>>> We still also have to give our  input and respond to the
>>>>>> questionnaire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 23:49
>>>>>> Subject: [council] IRP IoT and IRP Standing Panel -- Please Review
>>>>>> To: Donna.Austin at team.neustar <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>, gbunton at tucows.com <gbunton at tucows.com>,
>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
>>>>>> claudia.selli at intl.att.com <claudia.selli at intl.att.com>,
>>>>>> Brian at Winterfeldt.law <Brian at winterfeldt.law> <Brian at winterfeldt.law>,
>>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, joankerr at fbsc.org <
>>>>>> joankerr at fbsc.org>
>>>>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello GNSO Stakeholder Group and Constituency Chairs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this note finds you well as we rapidly approach ICANN 65.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Marrakech, one of the topics we are likely to discuss and hear
>>>>>> about from the ICANN Board is the work of the Independent Review Process
>>>>>> (IRP) Implementation Oversight Team (IoT) and the need for the community to
>>>>>> focus on the appointment of an IRP Standing Panel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two distinct items will require GNSO and SG/C consideration: The
>>>>>> first is a need to repopulate the current IoT, which began with about 25
>>>>>> members several years ago, but has dwindled in active participation.
>>>>>> Second, the ICANN community will be required to contribute to the
>>>>>> discussions around the appointment of members to a Standing Panel.  This is
>>>>>> a critical bylaw obligation and must be made a GNSO priority during the
>>>>>> second half of 2019.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please include this topic in your agenda planning for Marrakech and
>>>>>> for future SG/C meetings, so the GNSO Council can be well-informed of your
>>>>>> respective views.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> council mailing list
>>>>>> council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> Service (https://www.icann.org/privacy/tos). You can visit the
>>>>>> Mailman link above to change your membership status or configuration,
>>>>>> including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Jun 28 18:50:23 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:50:23 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: [NCSG-FC] [new comment] Draft Financial Assumptions &
 Projections and Operating Initiatives for the development of Fiscal Years
 2021-2025 Operating & Financial Plan
In-Reply-To: <n8a5VABDyz3ah5c1D3nCM-sEERveQ4kOm_nnfEiL_bENqdGLHT2Bmcfdup7F0TzSVwPYqd9zVf7n76pND2GCDW_wMfuWf003NvllHfu3PJY=@ferdeline.com>
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Please note, the Finance Committee is drafting a proposed comment on the Financial Assumptions embedded into the Fiscal Years 2021-2025 Operating & Financial Plan. We will share a draft with the Policy Committee in due course.

Ayden F?rdeline

??????? Original Message ???????
On Friday, 28 June 2019 16:41, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> ICANN has opened a new public comment opportunity on the Financial Assumptions embedded into the Fiscal Years 2021-2025 Operating & Financial Plan.
>
> I would like to propose that the Finance Committee draft a response for consideration by the NCSG Policy Committee.
>
> The comment closes on 5 August, but I suggest we prepare a first draft by 8 July so that we can allow NCSG members two weeks to review our work, and the Policy Committee a further two weeks. I will share a draft on our mailing list in the coming week.
>
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-financial-projections-fy2021-2025-2019-06-14-en
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ayden F?rdeline
>
> NCSG-FC mailing list
> NCSG-FC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-fc




From farell at benin2point0.org  Sat Jun 29 13:16:27 2019
From: farell at benin2point0.org (Farell FOLLY)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:16:27 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThk94mTONEL4FnLOQDRZn5nqb4en+Hrtr7KPuZAH2gXNog@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Rafik,

This is just one more proof that you have been a valuable person. I think you should go for it. It is sad that you haven?t been elected Chair.

@__f_f__

Best Regards
____________________________________

(Ekue) Farell FOLLY
NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
linkedin.com/in/farellf 






> On 26 Jun 2019, at 18:42, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I have to consider this carefully. 
> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From robin at ipjustice.org  Sat Jun 29 20:11:01 2019
From: robin at ipjustice.org (Robin Gross)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:11:01 -0700
Subject: [NCSG-PC] council vice-chair position for next year
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[Also just an Observer here]

Yes, Rafik, you should continue to serve as vice-chair to the NCPH.  You have done an incredible job in that role for the entire NCPH, while also serving NCSG with excellence for many years.

Best,
Robin


> On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:16 AM, Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Rafik,
> 
> This is just one more proof that you have been a valuable person. I think you should go for it. It is sad that you haven?t been elected Chair.
> 
> @__f_f__
> 
> Best Regards
> ____________________________________
> 
> (Ekue) Farell FOLLY
> NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
> linkedin.com/in/farellf <http://linkedin.com/in/farellf> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jun 2019, at 18:42, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM <mailto:rafik.dammak at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I just shared in NCSG session few minutes ago, I was approached this week by several representatives from CSG asking if I would consider running for one more year as vice-chair from NCPH. The usual practice is to have alternating after 2 years between CSG and NCSG. Tbh I didn't think at all about before as I was expecting to finish my term by this year AGM and I have to consider this carefully. 
>> I should respond to CSG asap and I need NCSG support and endorsement first. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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