[NCSG-PC] Organizational reviews

Mon Jul 29 01:25:31 EEST 2019

thanks all,
since there is no more objection, I will submit the comment.

Best,

Rafik

Le dim. 28 juil. 2019 à 22:58, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
écrit :

> Thank you. With this change to the comment, I withdraw my objection, and
> am happy to support its submission. Thanks for drafting it.
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:38, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> In the spirit of compromise I accepted your change to remove the
> suggestion for lesser face to face meeting.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 9:26 AM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> (I am trying to find a citation for this, but am struggling - however I
>> do think it is true: organizational reviews do not have a budget for
>> travel, only specific reviews do.)
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 10:23, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have noted that all but one of my edits has now been accepted. Thank
>> you for this.
>>
>> However the one edit that has not been accepted is something I feel
>> strongly about. I think it is too descriptive for us to state that face to
>> face meetings of Review Teams should be reduced in order to lower their
>> cost. Travel is not a significant cost for the Reviews; consultants, legal
>> advice, and professional services are roughly 60% of the budgeted cost of
>> the Reviews, so it I do not know why there has been this focus on reducing
>> the possibility for Review Teams to have face-to-face meetings. I do
>> realise that some, like the recent RDS Review, seemed to have an excessive
>> number of meetings in Brussels, but that was not an organizational review
>> and so I don't think this is the time and place to raise this concern.
>>
>> Thanks, Ayden
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 09:54, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I appreciate the edits, but I still am unable to support the submission
>> of this comment.
>>
>> I am going to propose some edits directly into the Google Doc now.
>>
>> Thanks, Ayden
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Sunday, 28 July 2019 04:25, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> thanks Farzaneh and Ayden,
>> we really need to submit. The staff is close to finish its summary report
>> and the window for us to give input is quite narrow.
>> the GNSO review is critical for us and this public comment is important
>> for us to give input on, we cannot miss that.
>> Farzaneh responded to the comments. I don't see any issue on substantial
>> part of the comment which concerns the responses to the questions asked by
>> the OEC.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le dim. 28 juil. 2019 à 11:36, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>> The language says: for example by holding less face to face meetings.
>>>
>>> Less doesn't really mean it should be avoided at all costs. But I am
>>> gonna change it slightly.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:23 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not object to fiscal prudence, but there is value in face to face
>>>> meetings *sometimes*, and this language suggested (or at least this is how
>>>> I interpreted it) that face to face must be avoided in all circumstances to
>>>> reduce operating costs. If we amend the text to make clear that face to
>>>> face meetings are permitted where there is a need, I would be able to
>>>> remove my objection.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 20:34, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I tried to address the rest. I don't know why you don't like the
>>>> language on keeping costs down through not having too many face to face
>>>> meetings. But I'm not really attached to it so you can just delete it if
>>>> you want.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:13 PM farzaneh badii <
>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure thing. I just saw your comments. I removed The unicorn bit and
>>>>> will address the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 7:00 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you Farzi, I have annoted the document in Google Docs, leaving
>>>>>> some comments where appropriate. When resolved I hope we will be able to
>>>>>> submit this comment. I appreciate you drafting it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>> On Saturday, 27 July 2019 19:58, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry about that. I did not notice I hadn't removed it from the draft
>>>>>> document which I sent you . Was certainly planning to. Thanks for catching
>>>>>> that. Is that the only problem you have with the document or is there
>>>>>> something else wrong with it? I can surely address your concerns if you
>>>>>> spell them out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:55 PM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not support the submission of this comment at this time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not support the inclusion of the antagonistic language about
>>>>>>> "unnecessary expenditure", or referring to ICANN as not being a "unicorn".
>>>>>>> It is unprofessional.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>> On Friday, 26 July 2019 20:45, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we don't have so much time left, last chance for review.
>>>>>>> if there is no strong objection by saturday, I will submit the
>>>>>>> comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:34, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Farzaneh,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for work,
>>>>>>>> @all please review and do the proof-reading. there is no more
>>>>>>>> extension
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le ven. 26 juil. 2019 à 13:26, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is a first rough draft for organizational reviews.
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TD-rqV23z0XAhHzLLzRy9A88OASCPHujIEq7gW4DcfA/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow is the deadline. Please look over it and let me know.
>>>>>>>>> should be shared with the list as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Farzaneh
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>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
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>>>>
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