From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 22:26:17 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 05:26:17 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale
by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which
didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative
under discussion and review.

I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a
final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner

Best,

Rafik




---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


At this link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing

you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.



The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
continue to be met.



Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I
think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot
act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP
blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.



Dr. Milton L Mueller

Georgia Institute of Technology

School of Public Policy

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From carlosraul at gutierrez.se  Sun Dec  8 23:12:08 2019
From: carlosraul at gutierrez.se (Carlos Raul Gutierrez)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:12:08 -0600
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c817bd967673937a150018a88c6d8cc0@gutierrez.se>

Thanks for the heads up Rafik! 

I think we have an excellent document in our hands, based on a clear
interest in mitigating negative impact on Non-commercial registrants and
we should rush the draft to conclusion! I fully agree on this approach
nd the letter should get out sooner rather than later.

---
Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez 
carlosraul at gutierrez.se 
+506 8837 7176 
Aparatado 1571-1000 
COSTA RICA

El 2019-12-08 14:26, Rafik Dammak escribi?:

> Hi all, 
> 
> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review. 
> 
> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner  
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Rafik  
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu> 
> 
> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing [1] 
> 
> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch. 
> 
> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met. 
> 
> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing. 
> 
> Dr. Milton L Mueller 
> 
> Georgia Institute of Technology 
> 
> School of Public Policy 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
 

Links:
------
[1]
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Dec  8 23:20:41 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:20:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>

Observer

The second letter has been shared on the NCSG list for under 24 hours.

I do not see how it reconciles or acknowledges the view(s) expressed in the first letter.

But I will leave this to the Policy Committee to resolve.

Ayden F?rdeline

??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.
>
> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>
> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met.
>
> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>
> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> School of Public Policy
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From carlosraul at gutierrez.se  Sun Dec  8 23:27:51 2019
From: carlosraul at gutierrez.se (Carlos Raul Gutierrez)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:27:51 -0600
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <be74a789d617571573f33fb4750cde30@gutierrez.se>

Hello Ayden! 

It is a (policy) strategic question on how our SG can impose the minimum
conditionality considered necessary to the ownership assignment to
protect the interests of our constituents (assuming the buyer has the
money, which in my view is the most questionable issue of the whole
story). So, it is not about views. It is about what the NCSG can
effectively do. So, if you have some idea about conditionality the draft
has not considered, please let us know. It can only improve the letter. 

Cheers

---
Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez 
carlosraul at gutierrez.se 
+506 8837 7176 
Aparatado 1571-1000 
COSTA RICA

El 2019-12-08 15:20, Ayden F?rdeline escribi?:

> Observer 
> 
> The second letter has been shared on the NCSG list for under 24 hours. 
> 
> I do not see how it reconciles or acknowledges the view(s) expressed in the first letter. 
> 
> But I will leave this to the Policy Committee to resolve. 
> 
> Ayden F?rdeline  
> 
> ??????? Original Message ??????? 
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review. 
>> 
>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner  
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Rafik  
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- 
>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu> 
>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46 
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN 
>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu> 
>> 
>> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing [1] 
>> 
>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch. 
>> 
>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met. 
>> 
>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing. 
>> 
>> Dr. Milton L Mueller 
>> 
>> Georgia Institute of Technology 
>> 
>> School of Public Policy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
 

Links:
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Dec  8 23:30:56 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:30:56 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <be74a789d617571573f33fb4750cde30@gutierrez.se>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
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Observer

I consider it disrespectful to re-write a letter entirely from scratch, and to pretend that the concerns expressed in the original letter did not exist, particularly when the original letter had received support from some other NCSG members. But that is just my view. This is something I am leaving in the hands of the Policy Committee to resolve.

Ayden F?rdeline

??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:27 PM, Carlos Raul Gutierrez <carlosraul at gutierrez.se> wrote:

> Hello Ayden!
>
> It is a (policy) strategic question on how our SG can impose the minimum conditionality considered necessary to the ownership assignment to protect the interests of our constituents (assuming the buyer has the money, which in my view is the most questionable issue of the whole story). So, it is not about views. It is about what the NCSG can effectively do. So, if you have some idea about conditionality the draft has not considered, please let us know. It can only improve the letter.
>
> Cheers
>
> ---
>
> Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
> carlosraul at gutierrez.se
> +506 8837 7176
> Aparatado 1571-1000
> COSTA RICA
>
> El 2019-12-08 15:20, Ayden F?rdeline escribi?:
>
>> Observer
>>
>> The second letter has been shared on the NCSG list for under 24 hours.
>>
>> I do not see how it reconciles or acknowledges the view(s) expressed in the first letter.
>>
>> But I will leave this to the Policy Committee to resolve.
>>
>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.
>>>
>>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>>>
>>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met.
>>>
>>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>>
>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>
>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>
>>> School of Public Policy
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sun Dec  8 23:32:45 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 06:32:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmrjCy9jeF73Gx19=Qz-s7Z_jjZL0h2otm2RkJkr0pgmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As indicated in my previous email, the letter is still under review and
there are already some edits there from members.

The PC will consider a finalized version.

Best,

Rafik


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 06:20 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Observer
>
> The second letter has been shared on the NCSG list for under 24 hours.
>
> I do not see how it reconciles or acknowledges the view(s) expressed in
> the first letter.
>
> But I will leave this to the Policy Committee to resolve.
>
> Ayden F?rdeline
>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale
> by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which
> didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative
> under discussion and review.
>
> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get
> a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
> manner
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Mueller, Milton L* <milton at gatech.edu>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> At this link
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>
>
>
> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
> continue to be met.
>
>
>
> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I
> think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot
> act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP
> blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>
>
>
> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> School of Public Policy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Dec  8 23:37:33 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 21:37:33 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmrjCy9jeF73Gx19=Qz-s7Z_jjZL0h2otm2RkJkr0pgmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FL9gZQZGI9je0N_MU6qfjySxP0m3bl0yO_MxE575G1TJ5_2jXck3bWQcrZ2WI2t7YRWlC5ZFWKvpxyBGgdGPWRmNyxHqXOPeIIddJdOU-K0=@ferdeline.com>
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Message-ID: <T0auRVgvozX2gibehezH_sYCj-XU4uD5Nkx5oVQauFJcPaSL2F9cbku8gM4CGeoqSGUztNYiy8YonLNdRPmCtxGSFNb-aKHcr6WsKUlQnU0=@ferdeline.com>

Observer

Thank you for clarifying Rafik; I look forward to reviewing the final draft.

Ayden F?rdeline

??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, December 8, 2019 10:32 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As indicated in my previous email, the letter is still under review and there are already some edits there from members.
>
> The PC will consider a finalized version.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2019, 06:20 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Observer
>>
>> The second letter has been shared on the NCSG list for under 24 hours.
>>
>> I do not see how it reconciles or acknowledges the view(s) expressed in the first letter.
>>
>> But I will leave this to the Policy Committee to resolve.
>>
>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2019 9:26 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.
>>>
>>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>>>
>>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met.
>>>
>>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>>
>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>
>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>
>>> School of Public Policy
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Dec  9 21:49:46 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:49:46 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
Message-ID: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>

Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.  Due today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again) and frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one comment in there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a phenomenal waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy about it, for which I apologize.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit


cheers Steph


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From icann at ferdeline.com  Mon Dec  9 23:58:11 2019
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 21:58:11 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
In-Reply-To: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <QDrACVZoFdELLjuxr9jqAeu08n0ncEegekZLbxDbiH5bt3aLfMc4s9QsgjS4wp_De5jEx4UGkSJ2R65CrzZFDM3I_Dea2pHARzTc6HX4c8w=@ferdeline.com>

Observer

Thank you for drafting this excellent comment, Stephanie.

I have proposed some minor edits.

Ayden

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, December 9, 2019 8:49 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.  Due today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again) and frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one comment in there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a phenomenal waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy about it, for which I apologize.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>
> cheers Steph
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 00:00:44 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 07:00:44 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Note about SSC and SCBO selection
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnQv03pLqU0XO_ct1BSChENHxC9t42Puo8FB8sYvDT8Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

for the purpose of documenting, I am sending his note to indicate that NCSG
PC appointed:

   1. Johan Helsingius, Ayden Ferdeline and Sam Lanfranco for SSC
   2. Rapahel Beuregard-Lacroix and Sam Lanfranco for SCBO

The names were already sent to GNSO secretariat to inform about the NCSG
selection.

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 01:35:23 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:35:23 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
In-Reply-To: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThm1H+WXTVFd4y3oq=GdJ4CfzB3f-c5k6KffkH1D+4-9=Q@mail.gmail.com>

thanks Stephanie for the draft.
it seems that public comments was extended again for 14 days (23rd
December) and it makes sense to share the draft in NCSG list for members
review.
there are also other groups who just submitted their comments
https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-rds-whois2-rt-final-report-08oct19/2019q4/thread.html


Best,

Rafik



Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :

> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.  Due
> today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again) and
> frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one comment in
> there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a phenomenal
> waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy about it,
> for which I apologize.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>
>
> cheers Steph
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 01:37:27 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:37:27 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments
were reviewed.
I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.

Best,

Rafik


Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale
> by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which
> didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative
> under discussion and review.
>
> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get
> a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
> manner
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> At this link
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>
> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>
>
>
> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
> continue to be met.
>
>
>
> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I
> think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot
> act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP
> blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>
>
>
> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
>
> School of Public Policy
>
> [image: IGP_logo_gold block]
>
>
>
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Tue Dec 10 02:06:57 2019
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:06:57 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThm1H+WXTVFd4y3oq=GdJ4CfzB3f-c5k6KffkH1D+4-9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThm1H+WXTVFd4y3oq=GdJ4CfzB3f-c5k6KffkH1D+4-9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA73832B-51F3-4A4B-A3F8-4D0E43666CEE@digitaldiscretion.ca>

Thanks, I will read them and perhaps we may need to respond to new issues raised

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2019, at 18:35, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> thanks Stephanie for the draft.
> it seems that public comments was extended again for 14 days (23rd December) and it makes sense to share the draft in NCSG list for members review.
> there are also other groups who just submitted their comments https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-rds-whois2-rt-final-report-08oct19/2019q4/thread.html 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 
> 
>> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.  Due today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again) and frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one comment in there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a phenomenal waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy about it, for which I apologize.
>> 
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> cheers Steph
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 16:16:10 2019
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:16:10 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38C52F15-7EE6-454B-B883-5B32E16EAC2A@gmail.com>

I support the letter as it is now.  Let?s move it. 

Best,
Mart?n

> On 9 Dec 2019, at 20:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all,
> 
> reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments were reviewed. 
> I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
>  
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 
> Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
> Hi all,
> 
> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.
> 
> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu <mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>
> 
> 
> At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing>
> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
> 
>  
> 
> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
> 
>  
> 
> Dr. Milton L Mueller
> 
> Georgia Institute of Technology
> 
> School of Public Policy
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 16:18:21 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:18:21 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgcNfJFAZ_YUjLcnhrt899uzf11w-ZXPsVmkJH=LCQW4ig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the
approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.
Cheers
Tanya

On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments
> were reviewed.
> I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale
>> by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which
>> didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative
>> under discussion and review.
>>
>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get
>> a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
>> manner
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>> At this link
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>>
>>
>>
>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
>> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
>> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
>> continue to be met.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I
>> think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot
>> act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP
>> blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>
>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>> School of Public Policy
>>
>> [image: IGP_logo_gold block]
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From elsa.saade at gmail.com  Tue Dec 10 19:22:41 2019
From: elsa.saade at gmail.com (Elsa S)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:22:41 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgcNfJFAZ_YUjLcnhrt899uzf11w-ZXPsVmkJH=LCQW4ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADxLtgcNfJFAZ_YUjLcnhrt899uzf11w-ZXPsVmkJH=LCQW4ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHFwYbcFbgwnTd4iw+wspyHcA_5Wv1cGOw4WYM+mvdjX99DZdQ@mail.gmail.com>

I support the submission of this letter.

Best,

Elsa
?

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the
> approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.
> Cheers
> Tanya
>
> On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments
>> were reviewed.
>> I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR
>>> sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter
>>> which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as
>>> alternative under discussion and review.
>>>
>>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will
>>> get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
>>> manner
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>> At this link
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
>>> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
>>> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
>>> continue to be met.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support.
>>> I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG
>>> cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the
>>> IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>
>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>
>>> School of Public Policy
>>>
>>> [image: IGP_logo_gold block]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
-- 
--

Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 03:39:28 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 10:39:28 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAHFwYbcFbgwnTd4iw+wspyHcA_5Wv1cGOw4WYM+mvdjX99DZdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThmOFUCtYEAd6byEM0U2Vdb_wnZCeo37+CoMgiXb-8uOwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I see we have support from Carlos, Martin, Tatiana, Elsa and no strong
objections heard from others. Moreover, the letter received support in NCSG
list and get edits resolved.
The letter is finalized and we have a real time constraint to send letter
in timely manner.
I interpret that we have consensus and the letter can be endorsed as NCSG
letter. I would like to ask Stephanie as NCSG chair to send the letter to
ICANN board and CEO.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 11 d?c. 2019 ? 02:29, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :

> I support the submission of this letter.
>
> Best,
>
> Elsa
> ?
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the
>> approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.
>> Cheers
>> Tanya
>>
>> On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments
>>> were reviewed.
>>> I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR
>>>> sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter
>>>> which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as
>>>> alternative under discussion and review.
>>>>
>>>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will
>>>> get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
>>>> manner
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At this link
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from
>>>> scratch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
>>>> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
>>>> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
>>>> continue to be met.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support.
>>>> I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG
>>>> cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the
>>>> IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>>
>>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>
>>>> School of Public Policy
>>>>
>>>> [image: IGP_logo_gold block]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
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>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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> --
>
> Elsa Saade
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> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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From milton at gatech.edu  Wed Dec 11 04:16:50 2019
From: milton at gatech.edu (Mueller, Milton L)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:16:50 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmOFUCtYEAd6byEM0U2Vdb_wnZCeo37+CoMgiXb-8uOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAH5sThkEi2Wza6f+ZH59+kMO8O=ebW0RkZL18nybxx30-1My3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAHFwYbcFbgwnTd4iw+wspyHcA_5Wv1cGOw4WYM+mvdjX99DZdQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CAH5sThmOFUCtYEAd6byEM0U2Vdb_wnZCeo37+CoMgiXb-8uOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR07MB4575A2E6EEC727D4E6CCFD6CA15A0@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Great work, PC and Rafik!
I will publicize this on the IGP blog.
I assume Stephanie will send this tomorrow so I will time the blog to appear tomorrow.
________________________________
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:39 PM
To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
Cc: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale

Hi all,

I see we have support from Carlos, Martin, Tatiana, Elsa and no strong objections heard from others. Moreover, the letter received support in NCSG list and get edits resolved.
The letter is finalized and we have a real time constraint to send letter in timely manner.
I interpret that we have consensus and the letter can be endorsed as NCSG letter. I would like to ask Stephanie as NCSG chair to send the letter to ICANN board and CEO.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 11 d?c. 2019 ? 02:29, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com<mailto:elsa.saade at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
I support the submission of this letter.

Best,

Elsa
?

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,
I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.
Cheers
Tanya

On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
hi all,

reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments were reviewed.
I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.

Best,

Rafik


Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
Hi all,

As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.

I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner

Best,

Rafik




---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu<mailto:milton at gatech.edu>>
Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>



At this link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing

you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.



The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be met.



Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.



Dr. Milton L Mueller

Georgia Institute of Technology

School of Public Policy

[IGP_logo_gold block]



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From farell at benin2point0.org  Wed Dec 11 09:27:37 2019
From: farell at benin2point0.org (Ekue Farell Folly)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:27:37 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAHFwYbcFbgwnTd4iw+wspyHcA_5Wv1cGOw4WYM+mvdjX99DZdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR07MB4575B31CD15EF87CC264F31DA1590@SN6PR07MB4575.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <CAH5sThncwnr0zRV5kZD91T4aSiYdDLoTUNqwCVrc7fvT2-_Mnw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <62dd5b54eaf708b48f3bfa7c6024c6a5c3eab8e6.camel@benin2point0.org>

No objection.


On Tue, 2019-12-10 at 12:22 -0500, Elsa S wrote:
> I support the submission of this letter.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Elsa
> ?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <
> tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> > I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with
> > the approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP. 
> > Cheers
> > Tanya 
> > 
> > On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <
> > rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > hi all,
> > > 
> > > reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest
> > > changes/comments were reviewed. 
> > > I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
> > >  
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > Rafik
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <
> > > rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a ?crit :
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list
> > > > about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position.
> > > > There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now
> > > > we have a second draft proposed as alternative under
> > > > discussion and review.
> > > > 
> > > > I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and
> > > > hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we
> > > > have to reach decision on timely manner 
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > 
> > > > Rafik 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > > From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
> > > > Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
> > > > Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
> > > > To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > At this link 
> > > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
> > > > you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started
> > > > from scratch.
> > > >  
> > > > The main difference is that instead of screaming about the
> > > > sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the
> > > > original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to
> > > > recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
> > > > continue to be met.
> > > >  
> > > > Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather
> > > > quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and
> > > > need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will
> > > > publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and
> > > > accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
> > > >  
> > > > Dr. Milton L Mueller
> > > > Georgia Institute of Technology
> > > > School of Public Policy
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> 
> -- 
> --
> 
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc



From oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng  Wed Dec 11 09:43:24 2019
From: oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng (oreoluwa)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 08:43:24 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmOFUCtYEAd6byEM0U2Vdb_wnZCeo37+CoMgiXb-8uOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1752318579.1492.ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is>

Apologies for jumping in this late.I also support the sending of this letter. It outlines our concerns succintly with clear asks.Regards,Oreoluwa Lesi?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> Date: 11/12/2019  02:38  (GMT+01:00) To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale Hi all,I see we have support from Carlos, Martin, Tatiana, Elsa and no strong objections heard from others. Moreover, the letter received support in NCSG list and get edits resolved.?The letter is finalized and we have a real time constraint to send letter in timely manner.I interpret that we have consensus and the letter can be endorsed as NCSG letter. I would like to ask Stephanie as NCSG chair to send the letter to ICANN board and CEO.Best,RafikLe?mer. 11 d?c. 2019 ??02:29, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit?:I support the submission of this letter.Best,Elsa?On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:Hi all,?I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.?CheersTanya?On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:hi all,reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest changes/comments were reviewed.?I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.?Best,RafikLe?lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ??05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a ?crit?:Hi all,As you might?know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as alternative under discussion and review.I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely manner?Best,Rafik?---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANNTo:  <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>







At this link 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing

you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from scratch.

?
The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions continue to be
 met. 
?
Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on the IGP blog, and accept
 sign-ons from anyone willing. 
?
Dr. Milton L Mueller
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Public Policy

?





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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 11 09:52:35 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 16:52:35 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
In-Reply-To: <5df09e28.1c69fb81.ff46b.49faSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <CAH5sThmOFUCtYEAd6byEM0U2Vdb_wnZCeo37+CoMgiXb-8uOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5df09e28.1c69fb81.ff46b.49faSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Thanks Farell , Oreoluwa

Rafik

Le mer. 11 d?c. 2019 ? 16:43, oreoluwa <oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng> a ?crit :

> Apologies for jumping in this late.
>
> I also support the sending of this letter. It outlines our concerns
> succintly with clear asks.
>
> Regards,
> Oreoluwa Lesi
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 11/12/2019 02:38 (GMT+01:00)
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Proposed Letter to ICANN on PIR sale
>
> Hi all,
>
> I see we have support from Carlos, Martin, Tatiana, Elsa and no strong
> objections heard from others. Moreover, the letter received support in NCSG
> list and get edits resolved.
> The letter is finalized and we have a real time constraint to send letter
> in timely manner.
> I interpret that we have consensus and the letter can be endorsed as NCSG
> letter. I would like to ask Stephanie as NCSG chair to send the letter to
> ICANN board and CEO.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mer. 11 d?c. 2019 ? 02:29, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>
>> I support the submission of this letter.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Elsa
>> ?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 9:18 AM Tatiana Tropina <
>> tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I agree with the draft letter as it stands now. Also agree with the
>>> approach. I guess this should be sent ASAP.
>>> Cheers
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> On Tue 10. Dec 2019 at 00:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> hi all,
>>>>
>>>> reminder to review the letter. I understand that latest
>>>> changes/comments were reviewed.
>>>> I believe we get to wrap-up this asap.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le lun. 9 d?c. 2019 ? 05:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>>>> ?crit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you might know there is ongoing discussion in NCSG list about PIR
>>>>> sale by ISOC and what should be NCSG position. There was an initial letter
>>>>> which didn't consensus and now we have a second draft proposed as
>>>>> alternative under discussion and review.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am putting this so PC can consider the letter and hopefully we will
>>>>> get a final version soon. I understand we have to reach decision on timely
>>>>> manner
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>>>>> Date: Sun, Dec 8, 2019, 09:46
>>>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Letter to ICANN
>>>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At this link
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zfaTlkIUZEsNMOQljy43SQSXZUQBmgFSJYVnjGgpYp8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> you can see a new proposed letter to ICANN. I have started from
>>>>> scratch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The main difference is that instead of screaming about the sale I am
>>>>> focusing on the conditions attached to the original award of .ORG to PIR. I
>>>>> am asking ICANN to recognize its obligation to ensure that those conditions
>>>>> continue to be met.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone with the link can comment. I hope this can gather quick
>>>>> support. I think we have wasted a lot of time and need to act quickly. If
>>>>> NCSG cannot act fast enugh I will publish it as an open letter to ICANN on
>>>>> the IGP blog, and accept sign-ons from anyone willing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. Milton L Mueller
>>>>>
>>>>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>>>>
>>>>> School of Public Policy
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IGP_logo_gold block]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> --
>> --
>>
>> Elsa Saade
>> Consultant
>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Dec 13 01:07:59 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:07:59 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation
 Plan Draft
In-Reply-To: <CAHcA+H6yghaUrZ5xKL0eMxveZMj740YXCTNPcHu-vBqk7tCD6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHcA+H6yghaUrZ5xKL0eMxveZMj740YXCTNPcHu-vBqk7tCD6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThme+s=OU=oS1G2fpULvMhyZg74+C+84Sjq5yBbXnu+3Tw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

we have a draft comment and needs to be acted upon quickly. I reached staff
regarding a late submission.
the comment is based on prior position we had during the final report board
public comment.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ---------
De : Yawri Carr Q <yawridaho04 at gmail.com>
Date: jeu. 12 d?c. 2019 ? 23:57
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation Plan Draft
To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


Dear NCSG colleagues,

I'm a volunteer for drafting the group's position regarding the Red Cross
Implementation Plan public comment (available at:
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/red-cross-names-implementation-2019-10-23-en
).

I have read a lot of documentation regarding the Red Cross to understand
the background. Thus, I wrote the draft based on previous NCSG positions,
in order to be align with them.

I'm a newcomer in the group and is also my first time doing a draft, as I
did it by myself I would appreciate a lot to receive feedback coming from
you. Especially on the last part, because is what the Implementation Plan
is introducing, the rest are points already discussed in previous comments.

You can access the draft on the following doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XUTn3zd_0FLgwZxpHSDce6OUKw3oWLcNAISIo0zk6t0/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you all for any collaboration.

Sincerely,
Yawri C.
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Dec 16 06:56:29 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:56:29 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th December
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmJOAAD93GrqXTzeUkpLEqS+Dwktd5HqkGXiU9bTYNPtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

I am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in Tuesday
17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council meeting and
important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our last policy call for
2019.

I. Introduction
II. GNSO Council Call Preparation

   - Council agenda:
   https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf

III. Policy Update
- Policy topics:
  * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM
- Public comments status:  https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public
& list of volunteers
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019

IV. Others
      TBC

Best Regards,

Rafik
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From oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng  Mon Dec 16 14:49:03 2019
From: oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng (oreoluwa)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:49:03 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmJOAAD93GrqXTzeUkpLEqS+Dwktd5HqkGXiU9bTYNPtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1752318579.1492.ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is>

Thank you for sharing, Rafik.Unfortunately I have a conflicting engagement at the same time as the PC meeting and will be unable to attend.I will be sure to listen to the recordings afterwards and follow up on any required action items.Kind regards,?Oreoluwa Lesi?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> Date: 16/12/2019  05:57  (GMT+01:00) To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th December Hi allI am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in Tuesday 17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council meeting and important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our last policy call for 2019.?I. IntroductionII. GNSO Council Call PreparationCouncil agenda:?https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdfIII. Policy Update-?Policy?topics:? * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM- Public comments status: ?https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public? &?list of volunteers?https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019?IV. Others? ? ? TBCBest Regards,Rafik












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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Mon Dec 16 14:54:08 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:54:08 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <20191216124919.B1B63517@posti.effi.org>
References: <CAH5sThmJOAAD93GrqXTzeUkpLEqS+Dwktd5HqkGXiU9bTYNPtQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20191216124919.B1B63517@posti.effi.org>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgcMhCHzfZ0NpDoYggRi2hma0XxzBryKtNoKSUoY2+UY3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
I will attend the policy call, however, I have a very important meeting at
work scheduled right before the NCSG call. Depending on how quickly my work
meeting ends, I might be a few minutes late to the policy call.
Thanks.
Warm regards,
Tanya

On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 at 13:49, oreoluwa <oreoluwa at wtec.org.ng> wrote:

> Thank you for sharing, Rafik.
>
> Unfortunately I have a conflicting engagement at the same time as the PC
> meeting and will be unable to attend.
>
> I will be sure to listen to the recordings afterwards and follow up on any
> required action items.
>
> Kind regards,
> Oreoluwa Lesi
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 16/12/2019 05:57 (GMT+01:00)
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th December
>
> Hi all
>
> I am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in Tuesday
> 17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council meeting and
> important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our last policy call for
> 2019.
>
> I. Introduction
> II. GNSO Council Call Preparation
>
>    - Council agenda:
>    https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf
>
> III. Policy Update
> - Policy topics:
>   * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM
> - Public comments status:
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public  & list of volunteers
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019
>
>
> IV. Others
>       TBC
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From carlosraul at gutierrez.se  Mon Dec 16 18:53:01 2019
From: carlosraul at gutierrez.se (carlosraul at gutierrez.se)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:53:01 -0600
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmJOAAD93GrqXTzeUkpLEqS+Dwktd5HqkGXiU9bTYNPtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Mon Dec 16 20:02:40 2019
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:02:40 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <262f31e8-0940-421d-b6b5-049dd6c4c9ee@email.android.com>
References: <262f31e8-0940-421d-b6b5-049dd6c4c9ee@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <f2580936-e49e-d1b1-953c-6894a73941f6@digitaldiscretion.ca>

11 UTC

Steph

On 2019-12-16 11:53, carlosraul at gutierrez.se wrote:
> Confirm time pls
>
> Thanks! Carlos Ra?l Guti?rrez
>
> On Dec 15, 2019 22:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi all
>
>     I am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in
>     Tuesday 17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council
>     meeting and important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our
>     last policy call for 2019.
>
>     I. Introduction
>     II. GNSO Council Call Preparation
>
>       * Council agenda:
>         https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf
>         <https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf>
>
>     III. Policy Update
>     -?Policy?topics:
>     ? * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM
>     - Public comments status:
>     https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public
>     <https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public> &?list of
>     volunteers
>     https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019
>     <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019>
>
>
>     IV. Others
>     ? ? TBC
>
>     Best Regards,
>
>     Rafik
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Dec 16 20:39:25 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:39:25 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <f2580936-e49e-d1b1-953c-6894a73941f6@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <262f31e8-0940-421d-b6b5-049dd6c4c9ee@email.android.com>
 <f2580936-e49e-d1b1-953c-6894a73941f6@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <6014ee72-ddab-3e4b-7868-62ccfa07dfe8@mail.utoronto.ca>

If I may add an item to the agenda, we should get a start on the planning for the intercessional meeting which is being added on to the Kuala Lumpur agenda.  Please see the attached google doc which staff has created.  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yhAcdNRQxaIZw7NEk1-NKTft0jEP-sMgvRyWjXGw3bw/edit

Ideas for topics to work would be most welcome.

Stephanie Perrin

On Dec 15, 2019 22:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all

I am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in Tuesday 17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council meeting and important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our last policy call for 2019.

I. Introduction
II. GNSO Council Call Preparation

  *   Council agenda: https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf

III. Policy Update
- Policy topics:
  * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM
- Public comments status:  https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public  & list of volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019

IV. Others
      TBC

Best Regards,

Rafik




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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 17 09:23:47 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:23:47 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=6afR63VGDu53UAoLtfdbeS0yPCDjHWv1Xw0WjKjwmSA@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes
being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal
with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.

We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
and/or issuing a call for candidates.
any thoughts or suggestions?

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 17 09:24:12 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:24:12 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft Agenda for NCSG Monthly Policy Call 17th
 December
In-Reply-To: <6014ee72-ddab-3e4b-7868-62ccfa07dfe8@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <262f31e8-0940-421d-b6b5-049dd6c4c9ee@email.android.com>
 <f2580936-e49e-d1b1-953c-6894a73941f6@digitaldiscretion.ca>
 <6014ee72-ddab-3e4b-7868-62ccfa07dfe8@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmOKB8fU1PoC7dw_7ZcCrohGtSbpfqOGqZn81FGDKWDZQ@mail.gmail.com>

noted

Rafik

Le mar. 17 d?c. 2019 ? 03:39, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :

> If I may add an item to the agenda, we should get a start on the planning
> for the intercessional meeting which is being added on to the Kuala Lumpur
> agenda.  Please see the attached google doc which staff has created.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yhAcdNRQxaIZw7NEk1-NKTft0jEP-sMgvRyWjXGw3bw/edit
>
> Ideas for topics to work would be most welcome.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2019 22:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I am sharing here the NCSG Policy call draft agenda scheduled in Tuesday
> 17th Dec. We have at some motions for vote for council meeting and
> important topic of update from EPDP. This will be our last policy call for
> 2019.
>
> I. Introduction
> II. GNSO Council Call Preparation
>
>    - Council agenda:
>    https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2019/agenda/agenda-council-19dec19-en.pdf
>
> III. Policy Update
> - Policy topics:
>   * PDPs & Review Teams Update : EPDP, Subpro, RPM
> - Public comments status:
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments#open-public  & list of volunteers
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2019
>
>
> IV. Others
>       TBC
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Tue Dec 17 09:47:35 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 08:47:35 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=6afR63VGDu53UAoLtfdbeS0yPCDjHWv1Xw0WjKjwmSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=6afR63VGDu53UAoLtfdbeS0yPCDjHWv1Xw0WjKjwmSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgdepK_AfMKgHXBSDRFaWH=SW2FGvB2w+w8XyERCc8_+zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
As an EPDP alternate I would say: Stefan Filipovic is an alternate but he
replaces full members all the time. If he?s willing to become a full
member, I would strongly support this.
In this situation, if it works, we can issue a call for an alternate to
replace Stefan?s alternate slot if it becomes vacant.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Tue 17. Dec 2019 at 08:21, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes
> being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal
> with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.
>
> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
> any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Dec 17 11:04:51 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 18:04:51 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation
 Plan Draft
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThme+s=OU=oS1G2fpULvMhyZg74+C+84Sjq5yBbXnu+3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHcA+H6yghaUrZ5xKL0eMxveZMj740YXCTNPcHu-vBqk7tCD6Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThme+s=OU=oS1G2fpULvMhyZg74+C+84Sjq5yBbXnu+3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnx+ve5Tq8Kzp0cVrCE8dDWeG60jAZ-A0OU8MH-dcFs4A@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

reminder to review the draft, we are late for submission and staff waiting
for the comment.

Best,

Rafik




Le ven. 13 d?c. 2019 ? 08:07, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> we have a draft comment and needs to be acted upon quickly. I reached
> staff regarding a late submission.
> the comment is based on prior position we had during the final report
> board public comment.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> De : Yawri Carr Q <yawridaho04 at gmail.com>
> Date: jeu. 12 d?c. 2019 ? 23:57
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation Plan Draft
> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> Dear NCSG colleagues,
>
> I'm a volunteer for drafting the group's position regarding the Red Cross
> Implementation Plan public comment (available at:
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/red-cross-names-implementation-2019-10-23-en
> ).
>
> I have read a lot of documentation regarding the Red Cross to understand
> the background. Thus, I wrote the draft based on previous NCSG positions,
> in order to be align with them.
>
> I'm a newcomer in the group and is also my first time doing a draft, as I
> did it by myself I would appreciate a lot to receive feedback coming from
> you. Especially on the last part, because is what the Implementation Plan
> is introducing, the rest are points already discussed in previous comments.
>
> You can access the draft on the following doc:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XUTn3zd_0FLgwZxpHSDce6OUKw3oWLcNAISIo0zk6t0/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Thank you all for any collaboration.
>
> Sincerely,
> Yawri C.
>
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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Tue Dec 17 21:49:36 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 20:49:36 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation
 Plan Draft
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnx+ve5Tq8Kzp0cVrCE8dDWeG60jAZ-A0OU8MH-dcFs4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHcA+H6yghaUrZ5xKL0eMxveZMj740YXCTNPcHu-vBqk7tCD6Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThme+s=OU=oS1G2fpULvMhyZg74+C+84Sjq5yBbXnu+3Tw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnx+ve5Tq8Kzp0cVrCE8dDWeG60jAZ-A0OU8MH-dcFs4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgdUqSQu5CZU_xV-TcSrLeaNvsBaxrzdjuiEhsJzuCjoFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I do have concerns that some of the issues in the comment are penetrating
into the policy that has already been agreed upon, but I am okay with these
comments to be submitted. Never hurts to state our previous position and
refer to it.
Warm regards,
Tatiana

On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 10:02, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi all,
>
> reminder to review the draft, we are late for submission and staff waiting
> for the comment.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
>
> Le ven. 13 d?c. 2019 ? 08:07, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> we have a draft comment and needs to be acted upon quickly. I reached
>> staff regarding a late submission.
>> the comment is based on prior position we had during the final report
>> board public comment.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : Yawri Carr Q <yawridaho04 at gmail.com>
>> Date: jeu. 12 d?c. 2019 ? 23:57
>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation Plan Draft
>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>> Dear NCSG colleagues,
>>
>> I'm a volunteer for drafting the group's position regarding the Red Cross
>> Implementation Plan public comment (available at:
>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/red-cross-names-implementation-2019-10-23-en
>> ).
>>
>> I have read a lot of documentation regarding the Red Cross to understand
>> the background. Thus, I wrote the draft based on previous NCSG positions,
>> in order to be align with them.
>>
>> I'm a newcomer in the group and is also my first time doing a draft, as I
>> did it by myself I would appreciate a lot to receive feedback coming from
>> you. Especially on the last part, because is what the Implementation Plan
>> is introducing, the rest are points already discussed in previous comments.
>>
>> You can access the draft on the following doc:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XUTn3zd_0FLgwZxpHSDce6OUKw3oWLcNAISIo0zk6t0/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Thank you all for any collaboration.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Yawri C.
>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 00:40:10 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:40:10 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThm1H+WXTVFd4y3oq=GdJ4CfzB3f-c5k6KffkH1D+4-9=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c1381ad-e3e2-5dcd-e917-0eefca37668f@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Hi all,

this reminder to review this draft comment. the deadline for submission is
the 23td Dec.

Best,

Rafik




Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 08:35, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> thanks Stephanie for the draft.
> it seems that public comments was extended again for 14 days (23rd
> December) and it makes sense to share the draft in NCSG list for members
> review.
> there are also other groups who just submitted their comments
> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-rds-whois2-rt-final-report-08oct19/2019q4/thread.html
>
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>
>> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.  Due
>> today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again) and
>> frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one comment in
>> there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a phenomenal
>> waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy about it,
>> for which I apologize.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>>
>>
>> cheers Steph
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 01:30:17 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 08:30:17 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgdepK_AfMKgHXBSDRFaWH=SW2FGvB2w+w8XyERCc8_+zQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tatiana,

thanks for the response. Waiting for others to weigh in.

Best,

Rafik

Le mar. 17 d?c. 2019 ? 16:47, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
> As an EPDP alternate I would say: Stefan Filipovic is an alternate but he
> replaces full members all the time. If he?s willing to become a full
> member, I would strongly support this.
> In this situation, if it works, we can issue a call for an alternate to
> replace Stefan?s alternate slot if it becomes vacant.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Tue 17. Dec 2019 at 08:21, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes
>> being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal
>> with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.
>>
>> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
>> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
>> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
>> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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From dave at davecake.net  Wed Dec 18 05:56:21 2019
From: dave at davecake.net (David Cake)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 11:56:21 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=6afR63VGDu53UAoLtfdbeS0yPCDjHWv1Xw0WjKjwmSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=6afR63VGDu53UAoLtfdbeS0yPCDjHWv1Xw0WjKjwmSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>

If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.

David

> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all,
> 
> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously. 
> 
> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative and/or issuing a call for candidates. 
> any thoughts or suggestions?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc



From stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca  Wed Dec 18 06:52:01 2019
From: stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 23:52:01 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
References: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
Message-ID: <6B677472-5E03-40B7-A268-E2D6CB851DBA@digitaldiscretion.ca>

I am all for having Stefan as full member
Steph

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
> 
> ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
> 
> David
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hi all,
>> 
>> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously. 
>> 
>> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative and/or issuing a call for candidates. 
>> any thoughts or suggestions?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc



From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 10:12:59 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:12:59 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <6B677472-5E03-40B7-A268-E2D6CB851DBA@digitaldiscretion.ca>
References: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
 <6B677472-5E03-40B7-A268-E2D6CB851DBA@digitaldiscretion.ca>
Message-ID: <CADxLtgeMybhQt2JMQvWJe0wZ7L6OsYZ3Lf_ih+x=YBmf+Loxpw@mail.gmail.com>

To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth to
be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit
to...
It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to replace
Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void here.
However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So my
plea to PC would be to appoint him.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:

> I am all for having Stefan as full member
> Steph
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan
> would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
> >
> > David
> >
> >> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> hi all,
> >>
> >> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which
> includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished
> to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her
> previously.
> >>
> >> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
> >> any thoughts or suggestions?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 15:37:38 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 22:37:38 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgeMybhQt2JMQvWJe0wZ7L6OsYZ3Lf_ih+x=YBmf+Loxpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
 <6B677472-5E03-40B7-A268-E2D6CB851DBA@digitaldiscretion.ca>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThn6Mf7py=+wZ0CT_8WfBVvQ+U53fsR1Ukz=Ec2vNy078g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan
willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

>
> To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth
> to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit
> to...
> It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to replace
> Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void here.
> However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So my
> plea to PC would be to appoint him.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>
>> I am all for having Stefan as full member
>> Steph
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan
>> would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi all,
>> >>
>> >> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which
>> includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished
>> to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her
>> previously.
>> >>
>> >> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
>> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
>> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
>> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>> >> any thoughts or suggestions?
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Rafik
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 15:39:05 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 22:39:05 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation
 Plan Draft
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgdUqSQu5CZU_xV-TcSrLeaNvsBaxrzdjuiEhsJzuCjoFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHcA+H6yghaUrZ5xKL0eMxveZMj740YXCTNPcHu-vBqk7tCD6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tatiana,

thanks for the comment and understood. waiting for other members to weigh
in and review the document such for proof-reading.
hopefully, we can wrap-up it this week.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
> I do have concerns that some of the issues in the comment are penetrating
> into the policy that has already been agreed upon, but I am okay with these
> comments to be submitted. Never hurts to state our previous position and
> refer to it.
> Warm regards,
> Tatiana
>
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 10:02, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> reminder to review the draft, we are late for submission and staff
>> waiting for the comment.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le ven. 13 d?c. 2019 ? 08:07, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> we have a draft comment and needs to be acted upon quickly. I reached
>>> staff regarding a late submission.
>>> the comment is based on prior position we had during the final report
>>> board public comment.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> De : Yawri Carr Q <yawridaho04 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: jeu. 12 d?c. 2019 ? 23:57
>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation Plan Draft
>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear NCSG colleagues,
>>>
>>> I'm a volunteer for drafting the group's position regarding the Red
>>> Cross Implementation Plan public comment (available at:
>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/red-cross-names-implementation-2019-10-23-en
>>> ).
>>>
>>> I have read a lot of documentation regarding the Red Cross to understand
>>> the background. Thus, I wrote the draft based on previous NCSG positions,
>>> in order to be align with them.
>>>
>>> I'm a newcomer in the group and is also my first time doing a draft, as
>>> I did it by myself I would appreciate a lot to receive feedback coming from
>>> you. Especially on the last part, because is what the Implementation Plan
>>> is introducing, the rest are points already discussed in previous comments.
>>>
>>> You can access the draft on the following doc:
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XUTn3zd_0FLgwZxpHSDce6OUKw3oWLcNAISIo0zk6t0/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Thank you all for any collaboration.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Yawri C.
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From tatiana.tropina at gmail.com  Wed Dec 18 15:42:12 2019
From: tatiana.tropina at gmail.com (Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 14:42:12 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThn6Mf7py=+wZ0CT_8WfBVvQ+U53fsR1Ukz=Ec2vNy078g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
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all,
I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an alternate
to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing Collin.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan
> willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
> there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> a ?crit :
>
>>
>> To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth
>> to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit
>> to...
>> It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to
>> replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void
>> here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So
>> my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
>> Cheers,
>> Tanya
>>
>> On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I am all for having Stefan as full member
>>> Steph
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan
>>> would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> >> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which
>>> includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished
>>> to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her
>>> previously.
>>> >>
>>> >> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
>>> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
>>> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
>>> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>>> >> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>> >>
>>> >> Best,
>>> >>
>>> >> Rafik
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Wed Dec 18 19:48:13 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:48:13 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
In-Reply-To: <CADxLtgeuPJuX04GxMmcp0ix2xwDpYaCmYRfnfh1ONLphiC0r9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B3BD9336-8221-41B8-82CC-9ECB0DB6269D@davecake.net>
 <6B677472-5E03-40B7-A268-E2D6CB851DBA@digitaldiscretion.ca>
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I agree

SP

On 2019-12-18 08:42, Tatiana Tropina wrote:
all,
I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an alternate to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing Collin.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit to...
It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca<mailto:stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca>> wrote:
I am all for having Stefan as full member
Steph

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net<mailto:dave at davecake.net>> wrote:
>
> ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>
> David
>
>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.
>>
>> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Dec 19 04:19:08 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 02:19:08 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] FW: At-Large
 Submission to the HIT Plenary Programme
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Folks, I am a bit concerned about this last minute suggestion for the HIT sessions in Cancun.  Copying Milton and Bruna and Farzi, because I suspect they have views on the matter.

PLease let me know what you feel we should say about this topic...It sounds like our EPDP common policy is just about to go down the drain here unless Thomas can hold them all off....

cheers Steph


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To:     SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org><mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>


All,

We have two confirmed plenary session topics for ICANN67:

The Domain Name Services Marketplace - Market Dynamics, Business Models and Commercial Drivers
Monday, 09 March 2020, 17:00-18:30

The DNS and the IoT: Opportunities, Risks, and Challenges
Thursday, 12 March 2020, 09:00-10:30

The 3rd proposed session on "Building Greater Trust in the ICANN Multi-stakeholder Process among Policymakers in Government" was withdrawn. However, At-Large has an alternate session proposal for your consideration to fill the remaining slot on Wednesday, 11 March 2020, 09:00-10:30.

Please see the session details outlined by Maureen below and let us know how you would like to proceed. We must finalize the block schedule by this Friday, 20 December, so time is of the essence.

Best,

Tanzanica

_______________________________________________
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Sr. Manager, Meeting Strategy and Design
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From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com><mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday , 18 December 2019 at 15:28
To: Tanzanica King <tanzanica.king at icann.org><mailto:tanzanica.king at icann.org>, "so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org"<mailto:so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org> <so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org><mailto:so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org>
Subject: [Ext] At-Large Submission to the HIT Plenary Programme

Dear SOAC Colleagues and Tanzanica

I hope that you have excused the slip that was made earlier when one of our members submitted a proposal without going through the proper processes.  However, we do have a proposal that, although I know it is a little late, our CPWG team hope you will seriously consider for inclusion into the ICANN67 HIT programme. The proposal is as follows. Sorry it is not in the formal template (in my haste to get it to you all before you go on holiday!)

Title: ?One world - one internet?? Cybersecurity and geopolitics in a multistakeholder environment

This session/roundtable seeks to explore the modern day rationale for ICANN's policy of "One World. One Internet." In time of enhancing splinternet, prevailing cybersovereignity trends and states taking forever more effective measures to ensure their jurisdiction over what they consider to be "their" part of cyberspace. It is in this context that ICANN's global stewardship role has grown more significant than ever. This session seeks to explore how to best justify ICANN's "One world. One Internet" policy in the face of global disruptive trends. It specifically looks at national and regional security and privacy laws as well as new communication protocols, seeking to find how they attend or add to this challenge.

The point of departure for this panel will be the perspective onto global IG as presented in his 2018 IGF speech by President Macron, referring to three different options for global Internet: the California based one, the EU focused one and the Chinese one (https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-speech-by-french-president-emmanuel-macron [intgovforum.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dspeech-2Dby-2Dfrench-2Dpresident-2Demmanuel-2Dmacron&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=0W8YSESVjWggJ4j27M95-21yOYr3n8cfMpfbwaJ4yUs&m=Oea6Y0K_c4-kjVylZ825jyoh3d9rVxADf2OS2n8X6Ew&s=oiM2phEEI-xguYu1eD8awgkMYnjY2j_1jN6jUXYWG_I&e=> ). We will seek to jointly explore whether current and upcoming global trends actually do indicate Internet fragmentation or whether ICANN can legitimately sustain its ?One World. One Internet? narrative. If so, what is the modern day rationale behind it?

The desired outcome of this session is to identify and present to the ICANN community a coherent, comprehensive narrative on why "One world. One internet" remains a valid policy narrative in the time of disruptive global trends and how to best communicate it to the different stakeholders outside ICANN.

Panelists (TBC): Patrik F?ltstr?m, Rod Rasmussen/Merike Kaeo, Peter Micek (AccessNow)/Thomas Rickert (EPDP), Lousewies van der Laan (?)/GAC Rep (Manal Ismail?), Le?n Sanchez, ISOC Rep?

Keywords: cybersecurity, privacy, GDPR, splinternet, sovereignty, jurisdiction

Best regards,
Joanna Kulesza, PhD
assistant professor of international law and Internet governance
Faculty of Law and Administration, University of Lodz
Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland
publications: https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/ [unilodz.academia.edu]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__unilodz.academia.edu_JoannaKulesza_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=0W8YSESVjWggJ4j27M95-21yOYr3n8cfMpfbwaJ4yUs&m=Oea6Y0K_c4-kjVylZ825jyoh3d9rVxADf2OS2n8X6Ew&s=VPjr-zUIZyKbFCelpboDI_hJ9vweDS-oN4CaYDlD3LM&e=>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Dec 19 18:15:15 2019
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:15:15 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] FW:
 At-Large Submission to the HIT Plenary Programme
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I put the following marker in for Milton to be on this panel....others of course can volunteer but wante to strike while iron was hot

SP


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Date:   Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:08:10 +0000
From:   Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
To:     soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org<mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org> <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org><mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>



Thanks for the proposal Maureen.  Wherever this topic is discussed, the NCSG is certainly interested.  Milton Mueller has written a recent book on certain aspects of your topic, and would be keen to join the panel.  WE would recommend narrowing the scope slightly, as there is a lot of material to potentially cover here.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2019-12-19 10:47, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
Hi Katrina

I apologise and fully appreciate that ensuring that the expectations of our own internal endorsement process were met has meant we missed the deadline for the inclusion of this cross-community discussion into the formal HIT programme. If this is set in stone then so be it.

We too have commenced working on our schedule of sessions that will mostly be held on the weekend before the beginning of the meeting. However, if people from other communities are still willing to join the discussion that we have proposed, we will create a slot during our own At-Large programme to include what we are sure would attract some interesting inputs from among the ICANN community on this particular topic which we believe is timely for this meeting... and it would be well moderated by Joanna Kulesza who has an interest in these associated areas of concern.

But thanks all for the consideration.
Maureen

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, 2:55 AM Katrina Sataki, <katrina at nic.lv<mailto:katrina at nic.lv>> wrote:
Dear Maureen, Tanzanica, All,

I fully understand and support ALAC?s decision to withdraw the proposal that was submitted in violation of their processes. At the same time, there is a process for submission of proposals for plenaries. An integral part of this process is a deadline for submission. For the upcoming meeting the deadline was 4 December. Following the withdrawal of the third proposal, as the deadline had passed, we assumed that there will be no plenaries on Wednesday and have already put in a lot of efforts to fill in the slot.

Although the topic of the new proposal is interesting and certainly worth exploring, we propose to defer it to either meeting B or meeting C.

Thank you for understanding!

Kind regards,

]{atrina



From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning [mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org<mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Tanzanica S. King
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 2:54 AM
To: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org<mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>>
Subject: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] FW: At-Large Submission to the HIT Plenary Programme

All,

We have two confirmed plenary session topics for ICANN67:

The Domain Name Services Marketplace - Market Dynamics, Business Models and Commercial Drivers
Monday, 09 March 2020, 17:00-18:30

The DNS and the IoT: Opportunities, Risks, and Challenges
Thursday, 12 March 2020, 09:00-10:30

The 3rd proposed session on "Building Greater Trust in the ICANN Multi-stakeholder Process among Policymakers in Government" was withdrawn. However, At-Large has an alternate session proposal for your consideration to fill the remaining slot on Wednesday, 11 March 2020, 09:00-10:30.

Please see the session details outlined by Maureen below and let us know how you would like to proceed. We must finalize the block schedule by this Friday, 20 December, so time is of the essence.

Best,

Tanzanica

_______________________________________________
Tanzanica S. King
Sr. Manager, Meeting Strategy and Design
ICANN

Office   +1 310 301 5800
Mobile  +1 310 995 3038
www.icann.org<http://www.icann.org>

From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
Date: Wednesday , 18 December 2019 at 15:28
To: Tanzanica King <tanzanica.king at icann.org<mailto:tanzanica.king at icann.org>>, "so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org<mailto:so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org>" <so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org<mailto:so-ac-sg-cleaders at icann.org>>
Subject: [Ext] At-Large Submission to the HIT Plenary Programme

Dear SOAC Colleagues and Tanzanica

I hope that you have excused the slip that was made earlier when one of our members submitted a proposal without going through the proper processes.  However, we do have a proposal that, although I know it is a little late, our CPWG team hope you will seriously consider for inclusion into the ICANN67 HIT programme. The proposal is as follows. Sorry it is not in the formal template (in my haste to get it to you all before you go on holiday!)

Title: ?One world - one internet?? Cybersecurity and geopolitics in a multistakeholder environment

This session/roundtable seeks to explore the modern day rationale for ICANN's policy of "One World. One Internet." In time of enhancing splinternet, prevailing cybersovereignity trends and states taking forever more effective measures to ensure their jurisdiction over what they consider to be "their" part of cyberspace. It is in this context that ICANN's global stewardship role has grown more significant than ever. This session seeks to explore how to best justify ICANN's "One world. One Internet" policy in the face of global disruptive trends. It specifically looks at national and regional security and privacy laws as well as new communication protocols, seeking to find how they attend or add to this challenge.

The point of departure for this panel will be the perspective onto global IG as presented in his 2018 IGF speech by President Macron, referring to three different options for global Internet: the California based one, the EU focused one and the Chinese one (https://www.intgovforum.org/multilingual/content/igf-2018-speech-by-french-president-emmanuel-macron [intgovforum.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.intgovforum.org_multilingual_content_igf-2D2018-2Dspeech-2Dby-2Dfrench-2Dpresident-2Demmanuel-2Dmacron&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=0W8YSESVjWggJ4j27M95-21yOYr3n8cfMpfbwaJ4yUs&m=Oea6Y0K_c4-kjVylZ825jyoh3d9rVxADf2OS2n8X6Ew&s=oiM2phEEI-xguYu1eD8awgkMYnjY2j_1jN6jUXYWG_I&e=> ). We will seek to jointly explore whether current and upcoming global trends actually do indicate Internet fragmentation or whether ICANN can legitimately sustain its ?One World. One Internet? narrative. If so, what is the modern day rationale behind it?

The desired outcome of this session is to identify and present to the ICANN community a coherent, comprehensive narrative on why "One world. One internet" remains a valid policy narrative in the time of disruptive global trends and how to best communicate it to the different stakeholders outside ICANN.

Panelists (TBC): Patrik F?ltstr?m, Rod Rasmussen/Merike Kaeo, Peter Micek (AccessNow)/Thomas Rickert (EPDP), Lousewies van der Laan (?)/GAC Rep (Manal Ismail?), Le?n Sanchez, ISOC Rep?

Keywords: cybersecurity, privacy, GDPR, splinternet, sovereignty, jurisdiction

Best regards,
Joanna Kulesza, PhD
assistant professor of international law and Internet governance
Faculty of Law and Administration, University of Lodz
Kopcinskiego Street 8/12, 90-232 Lodz, Poland
publications: https://unilodz.academia.edu/JoannaKulesza/ [unilodz.academia.edu]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__unilodz.academia.edu_JoannaKulesza_&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=0W8YSESVjWggJ4j27M95-21yOYr3n8cfMpfbwaJ4yUs&m=Oea6Y0K_c4-kjVylZ825jyoh3d9rVxADf2OS2n8X6Ew&s=VPjr-zUIZyKbFCelpboDI_hJ9vweDS-oN4CaYDlD3LM&e=>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Dec 20 08:29:56 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:29:56 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation
 Plan Draft
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Hi all,

if there is no strong objection, I will submit the comment today as staff
already reached me asking if our comment is ready.
Thanks.

Best,

Rafik


Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 22:39, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi Tatiana,
>
> thanks for the comment and understood. waiting for other members to weigh
> in and review the document such for proof-reading.
> hopefully, we can wrap-up it this week.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> a ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>> I do have concerns that some of the issues in the comment are penetrating
>> into the policy that has already been agreed upon, but I am okay with these
>> comments to be submitted. Never hurts to state our previous position and
>> refer to it.
>> Warm regards,
>> Tatiana
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 10:02, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hi all,
>>>
>>> reminder to review the draft, we are late for submission and staff
>>> waiting for the comment.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le ven. 13 d?c. 2019 ? 08:07, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>>> ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> we have a draft comment and needs to be acted upon quickly. I reached
>>>> staff regarding a late submission.
>>>> the comment is based on prior position we had during the final report
>>>> board public comment.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> De : Yawri Carr Q <yawridaho04 at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: jeu. 12 d?c. 2019 ? 23:57
>>>> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Feedback for Red Cross Implementation Plan Draft
>>>> To: <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear NCSG colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a volunteer for drafting the group's position regarding the Red
>>>> Cross Implementation Plan public comment (available at:
>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/red-cross-names-implementation-2019-10-23-en
>>>> ).
>>>>
>>>> I have read a lot of documentation regarding the Red Cross to
>>>> understand the background. Thus, I wrote the draft based on previous NCSG
>>>> positions, in order to be align with them.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a newcomer in the group and is also my first time doing a draft, as
>>>> I did it by myself I would appreciate a lot to receive feedback coming from
>>>> you. Especially on the last part, because is what the Implementation Plan
>>>> is introducing, the rest are points already discussed in previous comments.
>>>>
>>>> You can access the draft on the following doc:
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XUTn3zd_0FLgwZxpHSDce6OUKw3oWLcNAISIo0zk6t0/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Thank you all for any collaboration.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Yawri C.
>>>>
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From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:34:33 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
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thanks,
so we can elevate Stefan from alternate to representative and send a note
to GNSO secretariat. the communication should come from NCSG chair.
for adding an alternate, I believe we should identify if there is any
potential candidate. I am wondering if call for candidate will produce a
sufficient pool of candidates who can step up .

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 22:42, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> all,
> I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an
> alternate to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing
> Collin.
> Cheers,
> Tanya
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan
>> willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
>> there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
>> a ?crit :
>>
>>>
>>> To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth
>>> to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit
>>> to...
>>> It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to
>>> replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void
>>> here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So
>>> my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am all for having Stefan as full member
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan
>>>> would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>>>> >
>>>> > David
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which
>>>> includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished
>>>> to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her
>>>> previously.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
>>>> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
>>>> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
>>>> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>>>> >> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 14:07:22 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
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I think it is worth a try to get more alternates, given the likelihood of more intense meetings.  I will send the notification re Stefan forthwith; many thanks for volunteering Stefan!

Thanks for clarifying who should send it Rafik, I find these things rather confusing, between the role of the PC Chair and the NCSG Chair.  I presume the rationale here is that this was an SG appointment, given the structured nature of the EPDP.

cheers Steph

On 2019-12-20 01:34, Rafik Dammak wrote:
thanks,
so we can elevate Stefan from alternate to representative and send a note to GNSO secretariat. the communication should come from NCSG chair.
for adding an alternate, I believe we should identify if there is any potential candidate. I am wondering if call for candidate will produce a sufficient pool of candidates who can step up .

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 22:42, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
all,
I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an alternate to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing Collin.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit to...
It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca<mailto:stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca>> wrote:
I am all for having Stefan as full member
Steph

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net<mailto:dave at davecake.net>> wrote:
>
> ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>
> David
>
>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.
>>
>> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Dec 20 16:37:45 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 23:37:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
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Hi Stephanie,

I think there is simple distinction. PC confirm NCSG policy positions,
letters and public comments, make the appointments  for representing NCSG
in WGs and committees, and as chair I ensure that is done. However, NCSG
chair liaises with other groups: SG/C, SO/AC etc, communicate with them and
for staff the SG chair is the point of contact and is added to all relevant
leadership mailing lists.
for EPDP case, it would have be awkward if I communicated the appointment
as I am vice chair of the EPDP team and GNSO council liaison :)

Best,

Rafik

Le ven. 20 d?c. 2019 ? 23:07, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :

> I think it is worth a try to get more alternates, given the likelihood of
> more intense meetings.  I will send the notification re Stefan forthwith;
> many thanks for volunteering Stefan!
>
> Thanks for clarifying who should send it Rafik, I find these things rather
> confusing, between the role of the PC Chair and the NCSG Chair.  I presume
> the rationale here is that this was an SG appointment, given the structured
> nature of the EPDP.
>
> cheers Steph
> On 2019-12-20 01:34, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> thanks,
> so we can elevate Stefan from alternate to representative and send a note
> to GNSO secretariat. the communication should come from NCSG chair.
> for adding an alternate, I believe we should identify if there is any
> potential candidate. I am wondering if call for candidate will produce a
> sufficient pool of candidates who can step up .
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 22:42, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> a ?crit :
>
>> all,
>> I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an
>> alternate to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing
>> Collin.
>> Cheers,
>> Tanya
>>
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan
>>> willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
>>> there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
>>> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no
>>>> bandwidth to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could
>>>> fully commit to...
>>>> It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to
>>>> replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void
>>>> here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So
>>>> my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tanya
>>>>
>>>> On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am all for having Stefan as full member
>>>>> Steph
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that
>>>>> Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > David
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which
>>>>> includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished
>>>>> to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her
>>>>> previously.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current
>>>>> situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if
>>>>> we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative
>>>>> and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>>>>> >> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> >> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> >> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 15:09:29 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] EPDP team composition
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Thanks, I will add that rationale to my job description.  I don' t think it is simple, but it is much better than what I have in my head:-D

cheers Steph

On 2019-12-20 09:37, Rafik Dammak wrote:
Hi Stephanie,

I think there is simple distinction. PC confirm NCSG policy positions, letters and public comments, make the appointments  for representing NCSG in WGs and committees, and as chair I ensure that is done. However, NCSG chair liaises with other groups: SG/C, SO/AC etc, communicate with them and for staff the SG chair is the point of contact and is added to all relevant leadership mailing lists.
for EPDP case, it would have be awkward if I communicated the appointment as I am vice chair of the EPDP team and GNSO council liaison :)

Best,

Rafik

Le ven. 20 d?c. 2019 ? 23:07, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> a ?crit :

I think it is worth a try to get more alternates, given the likelihood of more intense meetings.  I will send the notification re Stefan forthwith; many thanks for volunteering Stefan!

Thanks for clarifying who should send it Rafik, I find these things rather confusing, between the role of the PC Chair and the NCSG Chair.  I presume the rationale here is that this was an SG appointment, given the structured nature of the EPDP.

cheers Steph

On 2019-12-20 01:34, Rafik Dammak wrote:
thanks,
so we can elevate Stefan from alternate to representative and send a note to GNSO secretariat. the communication should come from NCSG chair.
for adding an alternate, I believe we should identify if there is any potential candidate. I am wondering if call for candidate will produce a sufficient pool of candidates who can step up .

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 22:42, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
all,
I think if Stefan is ready to step in, we can issue a call for an alternate to join the team. We already did it before when we were replacing Collin.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 14:37, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,

thanks for the comments. I guess one first step is to confirm Stefan willingness and commitment to be rep for the rest of phase 2.
there is also the suggestion if we need to replace the alternate or not.

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 17:13, Tatiana Tropina <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com<mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>> a ?crit :

To follow up with Dave?s comment: unfortunately, now I have no bandwidth to be a full member. Legal committee is the only thing I could fully commit to...
It?s hard ? I?d say, nearly impossible ? for us to find someone to replace Farzaneh with her knowledge and dedication, and we have a big void here. However, Stefan is very committed to EPDP and he is fully engaged. So my plea to PC would be to appoint him.
Cheers,
Tanya

On Wed 18. Dec 2019 at 05:52, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca<mailto:stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca>> wrote:
I am all for having Stefan as full member
Steph

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 22:56, David Cake <dave at davecake.net<mailto:dave at davecake.net>> wrote:
>
> ?If we can?t make Tatiana step up to full member, I agree that Stefan would be a good choice to replace Farzaneh.
>
> David
>
>> On 17 Dec 2019, at 3:23 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> as you know, Farzaneh resigned from all her NCSG positions which includes being representative to EPDP team. It is not a situation I wished to deal with but as PC we have to act on this as we appointed her previously.
>>
>> We should discuss how we shall proceed knowing the current situation/progress for EPDP phase 2 (working toward initial report) and if we need to either convert a an (willing) alternate to be representative and/or issuing a call for candidates.
>> any thoughts or suggestions?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is<mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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Hi all,

please review the RDS RT comment, the last one for this year and before you
all disappear into your holidays (I am still working next week tough :))

Best,

Rafik

Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 07:40, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> this reminder to review this draft comment. the deadline for submission is
> the 23td Dec.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
>
> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 08:35, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> thanks Stephanie for the draft.
>> it seems that public comments was extended again for 14 days (23rd
>> December) and it makes sense to share the draft in NCSG list for members
>> review.
>> there are also other groups who just submitted their comments
>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-rds-whois2-rt-final-report-08oct19/2019q4/thread.html
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>
>>> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.
>>> Due today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again)
>>> and frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one
>>> comment in there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a
>>> phenomenal waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy
>>> about it, for which I apologize.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers Steph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Dec 21 01:23:48 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 08:23:48 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Replacement in SSC and EPDP
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=vaZFVvMetLbe4+9C5zaz5pLfz_8_KZ-e6WVAgvnLamg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I was informed by Ayden that he is resigning from NCSG and therefore needs
to be replaced in SSC and EPDP:
1- we didn't have extra application for SSC. The committee just started and
Sam recused himself from the first selection . We will need to appoint a
replacement for Ayden soon. We can reuse the previous call for volunteers
but more important encouraging more people to apply.
2- we were discussing about EPDP composition in another thread. we
currently have 2 alternates only and not sure if they want to become
representative. We will need another call for volunteers(again tweaking
previous call) and get this done.
the big concern is that NCSG will be thinly represented for F2F meeting in
LA as some members won't be there.

representative/alternate needs to catch-up a lot and be ready to jump in as
the team is working toward the initial report for end of January.

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Dec 23 11:55:43 2019
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 18:55:43 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] comment on RDS review 2 final report
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hi,

the deadline for submission is today. if I don't hear any strong objection
prior to the deadline of 23:59 UTC I will submit a clean version of the
draft comment.
thanks.

Best,

Rafik


Le sam. 21 d?c. 2019 ? 00:12, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> please review the RDS RT comment, the last one for this year and before
> you all disappear into your holidays (I am still working next week tough :))
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mer. 18 d?c. 2019 ? 07:40, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
> ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this reminder to review this draft comment. the deadline for submission
>> is the 23td Dec.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 08:35, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a
>> ?crit :
>>
>>> thanks Stephanie for the draft.
>>> it seems that public comments was extended again for 14 days (23rd
>>> December) and it makes sense to share the draft in NCSG list for members
>>> review.
>>> there are also other groups who just submitted their comments
>>> https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-rds-whois2-rt-final-report-08oct19/2019q4/thread.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le mar. 10 d?c. 2019 ? 04:49, Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Here is the google link for the very brief report on the RDS Review.
>>>> Due today.  I apologize for the delay, I was reading everything (yet again)
>>>> and frankly waiting for someone to say something.  There is only one
>>>> comment in there, from RrSG.  I agree with their comments.  This was a
>>>> phenomenal waste of my time over the past two years, and I am still grumpy
>>>> about it, for which I apologize.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BR0EyCcjjpcrdWhQeoPV6Hpkx9_4sP_IRygulGqDeQM/edit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
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