[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Mon Mar 5 03:14:29 EET 2018
I think this is a great comment. I caught a few grammaticals, and I
added a proposal on the paragraph 19 which Rafik highlighted. I think
it is reasonable to ask for better data on staff travel, I just think
comparing their digs to ours is a bit loaded....sorry to make you all
look at an edit this late in the game. Here is what I proposed:
I agree with Ayden that this is annoying, but I think it does not sound
dignified....or whining. I think we have a really exposed flank here
too.....some of our members work for organizations/institutions and may
be receiving top-ups or percs that we are unaware of. So I think we
should be cautious. I would remove all but the last line [It is very
hard to understand from the budget how much ICANN spends on staff
travel, but we suspect it is a sizeable figure which could be
comfortably trimmed.]and add "As civil society, we believe it is
extremely important for the ICANN MS model that we have good
representation at ICANN meetings, and that our members are responsible
with the funds they utilize for travel. Many of our members are putting
many hours of work each week purely as volunteers, and they have no
organization to top up travel expenses. We try to hold our members to
high standards of transparency and accountability, and would appreciate
the ability to compare our spending on travel to that of ICANN the
organization. Better data on these costs would also help us understand
the impact of our own usage of staff time."
cheers Stephanie
On 2018-03-04 11:07, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
> I already expressed my support weeks ago on the full text as well, but
> will repeat it just in case.
>
> Cheers,
> Martín.
>
>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 10:53, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com
>> <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>
>> +1. Thoughtful, well-written and well-reasoned comment. I think it
>> hits the nail on the head with this -- /"At the same time, we see no
>> attempts to address the larger structural issues to do with growing
>> personnel costs and an extraordinary spend on professional services."
>> /
>>
>> Great tx to Ayden for drafting, and all who edited.
>>
>> Best, Kathy
>>
>> On 3/4/2018 7:29 AM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>> I support the submission of this public comment.
>>>
>>> Thank you Ayden for drafting it.
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I no longer know what the status of this comment is, but I'm
>>> crossing it off my to-do list and will no longer track whether
>>> it is submitted or not (nor do I care anymore). It's been on our
>>> mailing list for some seven weeks and I need to focus on prep
>>> for the IFF and ICANN61 now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On 3 March 2018 3:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks very much, Tanya-
>>>>
>>>> Rafik, are we able to submit this comment now?
>>>>
>>>> Best, Ayden
>>>>
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 21:21, Dr. Tatiana Tropina
>>>> <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> All, am fine with the comment - you have my approval for
>>>>> submission and BIG BIG thanks to Ayden for holding the pen and
>>>>> his tireless work on this. Thank you so much, Ayden.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tanya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/03/18 06:59, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and
>>>>>> NCSG comments, ours seems simpler and the main part is
>>>>>> basically about the assessment and evaluation of the programs
>>>>>> as discussed before. I won't go into semantics but I believe
>>>>>> we are taking the simple position of evaluation of the
>>>>>> programs for now before making any decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the comment is in good shape too for submission and not
>>>>>> critical comments pending there. @Ayden can you give another
>>>>>> look for clean-up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in
>>>>>> next day so we can submit before the public comment deadline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same
>>>>>> sentiment albeit diplomatically, however I will allow
>>>>>> Rafik as PC Chair to mediate and resolve this one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <
>>>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the
>>>>>>> current suggested harsh cut on these programs but we
>>>>>>> request an assessment before any such decision can be
>>>>>>> taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not
>>>>>>> that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it
>>>>>>> means this for me. If what is written there is the same
>>>>>>> as what i am sugesting, then fine with me. The current
>>>>>>> language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>>>>>>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a
>>>>>>> group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi international
>>>>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org/> /,
>>>>>>> CEO,/Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info/>/,
>>>>>>> /Mabingwa Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/>/
>>>>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>> _Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo_
>>>>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>>>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>>>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>>>>>> & Mexico
>>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>>>>>> - AFRISIG 2016
>>>>>>> <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> -
>>>>>>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com/>- ICANN's GNSO
>>>>>>> Council
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>Member.//AFRINIC
>>>>>>> Fellow //( Mauritius
>>>>>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)/-
>>>>>>> /IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/>- Internet
>>>>>>> Governance - Internet Freedom. //
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/ report
>>>>>>> (English <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>>>>>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of
>>>>>>> Martin's comment - so my answer remains the same!
>>>>>>> :-) The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is to
>>>>>>> "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum
>>>>>>> size." That's what we are saying, and I think it is
>>>>>>> apparent if read in the context of the entire
>>>>>>> paragraph and not that one sentence which has been
>>>>>>> extracted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali
>>>>>>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic
>>>>>>>> in my view and needs to be rephrased: "/We support
>>>>>>>> the rightsizing of the fellowship and NextGen
>>>>>>>> programmes/. " It means for me that we support the
>>>>>>>> fact that those programs are cut the way it is
>>>>>>>> suggested in the budget. I don't think we have
>>>>>>>> consensus on this and we should not support, as a
>>>>>>>> SG, the way these programs have been reduced in
>>>>>>>> number (by half or so). I may be wrong though :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have
>>>>>>>> agreement on, is the need for an assessment on the
>>>>>>>> effectiveneess of the program and only after that
>>>>>>>> assessment, we can agree on the right action to
>>>>>>>> take on it. This can lead to a cut in number of
>>>>>>>> attendees or anything else but we cannot say that
>>>>>>>> at this moment, before that professional assessment
>>>>>>>> is done. And I believe that's what we pushed for at
>>>>>>>> Council level.
>>>>>>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of
>>>>>>>> this comment and would like to thank Ayden and
>>>>>>>> everyone for their participation. After reading the
>>>>>>>> comment, it captures everything we discussed and
>>>>>>>> captures what we stand for. As i always say, this
>>>>>>>> is a good informational piece as well for us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>> * *Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi
>>>>>>>> international <http://www.rudiinternational.org/> /,
>>>>>>>> CEO,/Smart Services Sarl
>>>>>>>> <http://www.smart-serv.info/>/, /Mabingwa Forum
>>>>>>>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/>/
>>>>>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>>> _Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo_
>>>>>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>>>>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>>>>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>>>>>>> & Mexico
>>>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>>>>>>> - AFRISIG 2016
>>>>>>>> <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/>-
>>>>>>>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com/>- ICANN's
>>>>>>>> GNSO Council
>>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>Member.//AFRINIC
>>>>>>>> Fellow //( Mauritius
>>>>>>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)/-
>>>>>>>> /IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/>- Internet
>>>>>>>> Governance - Internet Freedom. //
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/
>>>>>>>> report ( English <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>)
>>>>>>>> and ( French <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent
>>>>>>>> <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I
>>>>>>>> opposed at council level. I do not support the
>>>>>>>> downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a
>>>>>>>> blind cut with no metrics and debate to balance
>>>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for
>>>>>>>> the council to change that part, I will fully
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak"
>>>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>>>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap
>>>>>>>> the draft for endorsment, the deadline for
>>>>>>>> submission is 2 weeks away and just before
>>>>>>>> PR meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG
>>>>>>>> comment on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has not received very many edits or
>>>>>>>> comments just yet. I hope it is on the
>>>>>>>> right track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>
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