[NCSG-PC] [Epdp-dt] Working Methods

Sun Jul 1 15:12:50 EEST 2018

I copy, thx!

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Best Regards
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Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
Technology Champion & Chapter Head
Africa 2.0 Foundation.
www.africa2point0.org
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> On 28 Jun 2018, at 23:49, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
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> Hi Farell,
> 
> In this case, the calls will be in English.
> 
> Transcriptions are taken as a verbatim record of the call, so they are done in the original language (in this instance, English).
> 
> If they were converted to other languages they would be translated.
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> I do not think it would be practical to have the transcripts translated into other languages, but I have asked that initial and final reports be translated into ICANN's seven languages.
> 
> I hope this is helpful.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Ayden 
> 
> 
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 28 June 2018 10:46 PM, Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org> wrote:
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>> Dear Farzaneh, chair of the NCSG
>> 
>> 
>> I am not sure to understand your point here, why transcription in other languages does not make sense?
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>> @__f_f__
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>> Best Regards
>> ____________________________________
>> 
>> Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
>> Technology Champion & Chapter Head
>> Africa 2.0 Foundation.
>> www.africa2point0.org <http://www.africa2point0.org/>
>> linkedin.com/in/farellf <http://linkedin.com/in/farellf>
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>>> On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:45, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> are we talking about transcription in languages other than English? 
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>>> transcription of formal meetings in English makes sense, it has been helpful. I don't think it makes sense to have transcription in other languages. but I am not sure that is being debated. 
>>> 
>>> Farzaneh
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>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I agree that transcript in other languages would be good in almost every mesure posible, specially if we have AI and bulk prices on it. At least is worth asking staff how that impact this one time on Budget.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martín
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 19:37 dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com <mailto:dgdorothydg at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Why are the costs high? Are we not using AI? Which languages are we transcribing to?  Perhaps Mr. Neylon could tell us more about the disproportionate costs?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 12:31 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>> I will need back up here from Councillors. 
>>> 
>>> This is important. We need transcription. 
>>> 
>>> Ayden
>>> 
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>>>> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<michele at blacknight.com <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> 
>>>> Date: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 19:28 
>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods 
>>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>,epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org> <epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>> 
>>>> Cc: 
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>>>> Ayden 
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>>>> I disagree with the transcription of all meetings. The costs involved with that are disproportionately high and ICANN funds would be better directed elsewhere 
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>>>> I agree with most of your other points. 
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>>>> Regards 
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>>>> Michele 
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>>>> From: Epdp-dt <epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> Reply-To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>> Date: Wednesday 27 June 2018 at 17:34
>>>> To: "epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>" <epdp-dt at icann.org <mailto:epdp-dt at icann.org>>
>>>> Subject: [Epdp-dt] Working Methods
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>>>> Hi all, 
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>>>> I would like to request several revisions be made to the EPDP Working Methods please: 
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>>>> 1) All meetings must be recorded and transcribed. 
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>>>> Please revise this text from: 
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>>>> In addition to the standard services provided to GNSO PDP Working Groups such as policy staff support, mailing lists and regular conference calls, including recording and transcription where needed (frequency and duration to be decided by EPDP team), the EPDP team will need appropriate support to: 
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>>>> To: 
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>>>> All calls of the EPDP must be recorded and transcribed, and said recordings and call transcriptions must be publicly accessible from the ICANN website. Standard support offered to GNSO PDP Working Groups, including but not limited to the provision of a wiki space, archived mailing lists, and conference call facilities, will be required. In addition, the EPDP will need appropriate support to: 
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>>>> 2) Google Docs may only be used in conjunction with Google Vault. 
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>>>> Please revise the text from: 
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>>>> the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to facilitate online collaboration, such as the wiki and Google docs. 
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>>>> To: 
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>>>> the EPDP Team should consider which tools provide the best flexibility to facilitate online collaboration, but it must do so in accordance with the principles of accountability and transparency that are so important to the GNSO. If Google Docs or other G Suite products are used, it must be used in conjunction with Google Vault, which logs data for archival purposes. Similarly, if other tools are used, they may be used only if they preserve information to a level that meets or exceeds eDiscovery standards in California, being the location of ICANN's headquarters. 
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>>>> 3) Translation of executive summary and recommendations of the initial report for public comment, and of the entire final report, into ICANN's official languages. 
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>>>> Suggested text: 
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>>>> The substantive work of the EPDP must be translated into ICANN's official languages in order to provide non-English-fluent stakeholders with an equal level of access to review the work of the EPDP. For the initial report(s), this must consist of the executive summary and recommendations, and for the final report, this must be a translation of the entire report. 
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>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards, 
>>>> 
>>>> Ayden Férdeline 
>>>> 
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