[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps

Mon Sep 18 11:05:05 EEST 2017

Thanks Tapani for the overview. Depending on dates and if other committments are not on the way, I plan to attend as well and support Stephanie and/or whoever we will select. I know a fair bit about GDPR, and it is a short train ride from Amsterdam to Brussels.

I tend to agree with Ayden, that we need someone not only GDPR expertise but especially well versed in the history of these issues so far.
Stefania
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Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Inviato: lunedì 18 settembre 2017 09:14:37
A: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps

Hi all,

First, of course we should insist on remote participation and
transparency.

But the delegate selection is not so easy.

For we don't have a slot for NCSG, but one guaranteed and one possible
slot for *NCPH*, and NCPH is expected to submit two in priority order.

Which means we'll have to negotiate with CSG, and our chances of
getting one of ours to the top position will depend on who we
offer and how good we are at negotiating with them. On the other
hand same applies in reverse, we could influence their selection
if we are willing to give them the top slot.

As to who we really want to be there, Stephanie is obvious, but if
she's there anyway or can be funded otherwise, it would give us more
flexibility in negotiation with CSG - I don't see anybody else who'd
*really* had to be there, even if it of course would be useful to have
as many of ours in there as possible.

So my first question at this point would be to Stephanie: can you go,
and if so do you have alternative funding options?

Side question to NCUC representatives here: could NCUC fund Stephanie
there in a pinch?

Second, as we cannot simply appoint someone but it'll be a matter
of negotiation, we can't just pick one name here. Or of course we
can and just give it to CSG as non-negotiable position, but I'm
not sure that'd be a good way to go.

Also, I note the dates are apparently still open, specified only as
"first week of October", which makes it a bit difficult for people
to commit themselves.

Finally, while I'm fairly well versed with GDPR and RDS stuff and
could probably be useful there, my ability to attend depends on the
exact dates, even though it's a relatively short flight for me.

Tapani

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:34:40AM -0400, Ayden Férdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
>
> I support the request for full transparency and the availability of remote participation. I think Stephanie is best placed to be our primary delegate on this topic, if she is available (the dates might overlap with Canadian Thanksgiving). However, if this is taking place at the same time as the WHOIS2 face-to-face in Brussels, she may not require the travel support and we may be able to use the support to bring another person in from further afield? I am thinking Robin, Kathy, Milton... others who know this issue (WHOIS and privacy implications) and have had a longstanding engagement with it. That said, I am but a short train ride from Brussels - I am happy to be an alternate delegate if need be. Thanks!
>
> —Ayden
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> > Local Time: 18 September 2017 6:37 AM
> > UTC Time: 18 September 2017 05:37
> > From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> > To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> >
> > I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.  The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> > On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...
> >>
> >> Bill (observer)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> >>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> >>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> >>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
> >>>
> >>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Marika
> >>>
> >>> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> >>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> >>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>> Councilors -
> >>>
> >>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
> >>>
> >>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and Göran.
> >>>
> >>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> J.
> >>> -----------------
> >>> James Bladel
> >>> GNSO Chair
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: James M. Bladel
> >>> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> >>> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> >>> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> >>> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>>> Dear David, Göran, and SO/AC Colleagues –
> >>>>
> >>>> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn’t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> J.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> James Bladel
> >>>>
> >>>> GNSO Chair
> >>>>
> >>>> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> >>>> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> >>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> >>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
> >>>>
> >>>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We’ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
> >>>>
> >>>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
> >>>>
> >>>> With this, Göran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we’d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC’s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
> >>>>
> >>>> - New blog: [https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=)
> >>>>
> >>>> - Updated user stories/summary document [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=) (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information [page[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=))
> >>>>
> >>>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> David A. Olive
> >>>> Senior Vice President
> >>>>
> >>>> Policy Development Support
> >>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >>
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