From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 04:50:22 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 10:50:22 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] For your review - report of public
 comments on revised GNSO Operating Procedures and ICANN Bylaws
In-Reply-To: <E979EEC0-5CAC-437B-9734-C36CD48D2251@icann.org>
References: <E979EEC0-5CAC-437B-9734-C36CD48D2251@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmUicEzBA9OqFa809wviywX1JumcuFnSmSM5XYeXHTjAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

we participated in the public comment mentioned above and we are currently
at the step to make a decision on how to proceed at council level. one
option mentioned is about consulting the DT team, so I would like to ask
our representatives there to chime in.
since it is planned to be in next Council call agenda, please review the
related material prior to our NCSG call tentatively scheduled for 19th
September.

Thanks,

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
Date: 2017-09-01 8:42 GMT+09:00
Subject: [council] For your review - report of public comments on revised
GNSO Operating Procedures and ICANN Bylaws
To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>


Dear All,



As you may recall, the GNSO Council directed 'ICANN Policy Staff to draft
proposed language for any necessary modifications or additions to
the GNSO Operating Procedures and, if applicable, those parts of
the ICANN Bylaws pertaining to the GNSO? to implement the Bylaws DT
recommendations (https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/bylaws-drafting-team-
final-report-12oct16-en.pdf). In its analysis of the Drafting Team (DT),
staff took a minimalist approach by focusing on the minimum changes needed
to implement the DT recommendations, recognizing that in certain cases
additional work may be desirable to facilitate the GNSO's participation in
the Empowered Community, such as creating templates or fact sheets. These
proposed changes to the GNSO Operating Procedures and ICANN Bylaws were
published for public comment on 19 June and closed on 10 August (see
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en
<https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en)>).
The staff report of public comments (see attached) will be published on the
site shortly. Comments were received from all GNSO Stakeholder Groups and
the CSG constituencies.



In its analysis, Staff notes general support for the proposed changes to
the GNSO Operating Procedures and ICANN Bylaws and their consistency with
the intent of the Bylaws DT recommendations. Some specific comments were
identified in relation to the GNSO Operating Procedures to which staff has
either responded or put forward a proposed way for addressing the comment
(see section IV analysis of comments). In addition, the commenters restated
their positions with regards to the role of the GNSO Council along the
lines of the positions recorded in the Bylaws DT Final Report.



It is now up to the GNSO Council to determine what the next steps should
be. These could include, for example, adoption of the revised GNSO
Operating Procedures and ICANN Bylaws with the minor updates as suggested
in the analysis of comments, further consideration of the comments
submitted, and/or consultation with the Bylaws DT. Staff would like to
suggest adding this topic to the agenda for the next Council meeting so
that you have an opportunity to consider these or other options that are
put forward.



Best regards,



Marika



*Marika Konings*

*Vice President, Policy Development Support ? GNSO, Internet Corporation
for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) *

*Email: marika.konings at icann.org <marika.konings at icann.org>  *



*Follow the GNSO via Twitter @ICANN_GNSO*

*Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses
<http://learn.icann.org/courses/gnso> and visiting the GNSO Newcomer pages
<http://gnso.icann.org/sites/gnso.icann.org/files/gnso/presentations/policy-efforts.htm#newcomers>.
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 12:10:29 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 18:10:29 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new councillors
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Hi all,

My understanding is that new councillors were added to our NCSG policy
committee list. I would like to welcome them among us and looking forward
to work with them in council to represent NCSG and our members interests.
There is a lot to do already!
it is also important to remember that councillors have to do a lot of work
and share the load for council tasks, communicate and coordinate with
others like during the confcalls.
Please feel free to ask any question.

Best,

Rafik
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 17:18:22 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 16:18:22 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new councillors
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=caa3ULiFiWxKwtkbDJh5nZOow2-X+3kizuJFNYsmYcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7A4E2091-F93D-4E45-9341-3B40AC0F283C@gmail.com>

Dear Rafik,

Thanks for the warm welcome to the PC list. It is good to join you here and looking forward to collaborating.

Would you kindly share any emerging issues that you think we will be working on very soon? Something that will help us know where to start?

Also, please do expand on what you mean by council tasks or any work load where we need to collaborate.

This is not only directed to you so anyone else, feel free to jump in and share.

Regards,
Arsene

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My understanding is that new councillors were added to our NCSG policy committee list. I would like to welcome them among us and looking forward to work with them in council to represent NCSG and our members interests. There is a lot to do already!
> it is also important to remember that councillors have to do a lot of work and share the load for council tasks, communicate and coordinate with others like during the confcalls. 
> Please feel free to ask any question. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Mon Sep  4 20:20:11 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2017 19:20:11 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new councillors
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=caa3ULiFiWxKwtkbDJh5nZOow2-X+3kizuJFNYsmYcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a9dac565-a121-665f-a03e-40b483a07293@mpicc.de>

Thanks Rafik,

I know I have been on this list for quite some time (PC member,
observer, replacement) but thanks for the welcoming words, great to be
back wearing an elected councilor hat.

Looking forward to working with you all  -- and welcome to those who are
new (I assume it's only Arsene then? as Ayden and Martin were here
before. Welcome, Arsene!)

Cheers,

Tanya


On 04/09/17 11:10, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My understanding is that new councillors were added to our NCSG policy
> committee list. I would like to welcome them among us and looking
> forward to work with them in council to represent NCSG and our members
> interests. There is a lot to do already!
> it is also important to remember that councillors have to do a lot of
> work and share the load for council tasks, communicate and coordinate
> with others like during the confcalls. 
> Please feel free to ask any question. 
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 06:56:47 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 12:56:47 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new councillors
In-Reply-To: <7A4E2091-F93D-4E45-9341-3B40AC0F283C@gmail.com>
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Hi Arsene,

Thanks for the response,

2017-09-04 23:18 GMT+09:00 Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:

> Dear Rafik,
>
> Thanks for the warm welcome to the PC list. It is good to join you here
> and looking forward to collaborating.
>
> Would you kindly share any emerging issues that you think we will be
> working on very soon? Something that will help us know where to start?
>
Also, please do expand on what you mean by council tasks or any work load
> where we need to collaborate.
>
>
I am not sure how much you are aware about council role, responsabilities
and work, and so hard for me to respond to your question but in general:
We usually cover ongoing topics in our regular NCSG Policy call prior to
council calls, also by sharing info in NCSG main list when something of
interests should be discussed like public comments.
a good start would be to read the GNSO operating procedures (
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/procedures) to get a good understanding
of council role and tasks in managing the policy process and other matters
related to GNSO. For policies, the project list is the starting point to
get a quick snapshot about their status
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project , also checking other material
like the background brief from the last ICAN meeting
https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/policy-briefing .

Best,

Rafik


> > On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My understanding is that new councillors were added to our NCSG policy
> committee list. I would like to welcome them among us and looking forward
> to work with them in council to represent NCSG and our members interests.
> There is a lot to do already!
> > it is also important to remember that councillors have to do a lot of
> work and share the load for council tasks, communicate and coordinate with
> others like during the confcalls.
> > Please feel free to ask any question.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Rafik
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Sep  5 17:54:24 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 16:54:24 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Welcome to new councillors
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Thanks Rafik,

I have read most of them. I will read them again and if there is any
question, I will come back to you.

Regards,
Arsene

2017-09-05 5:56 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> Hi Arsene,
>
> Thanks for the response,
>
> 2017-09-04 23:18 GMT+09:00 Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Rafik,
>>
>> Thanks for the warm welcome to the PC list. It is good to join you here
>> and looking forward to collaborating.
>>
>> Would you kindly share any emerging issues that you think we will be
>> working on very soon? Something that will help us know where to start?
>>
> Also, please do expand on what you mean by council tasks or any work load
>> where we need to collaborate.
>>
>>
> I am not sure how much you are aware about council role, responsabilities
> and work, and so hard for me to respond to your question but in general:
> We usually cover ongoing topics in our regular NCSG Policy call prior to
> council calls, also by sharing info in NCSG main list when something of
> interests should be discussed like public comments.
> a good start would be to read the GNSO operating procedures (
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/procedures) to get a good understanding
> of council role and tasks in managing the policy process and other matters
> related to GNSO. For policies, the project list is the starting point to
> get a quick snapshot about their status
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/project , also checking other material
> like the background brief from the last ICAN meeting
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/policy-briefing .
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>> > On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > My understanding is that new councillors were added to our NCSG policy
>> committee list. I would like to welcome them among us and looking forward
>> to work with them in council to represent NCSG and our members interests.
>> There is a lot to do already!
>> > it is also important to remember that councillors have to do a lot of
>> work and share the load for council tasks, communicate and coordinate
>> with
>> others like during the confcalls.
>> > Please feel free to ask any question.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Rafik
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>


-- 
------------------------
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Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
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(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
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& Mexico
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- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN Fellow (Los Angeles
<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en> & Marrakech
<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en>
). AFRINIC Fellow (Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Sep  6 07:20:07 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 07:20:07 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
Message-ID: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear PC members,

In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
candidates here as well as SGs).

So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.

Regards,

Tapani

----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----

Dear all,

A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.

This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
if we so choose.

If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
is this Friday, so please act before that!

For details see below.

Tapani

----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----

Dear All, 

 

As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated that
he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is hereby
launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note the
leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to
a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the candidate
meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template. 

 

Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .

 

Best regards,

 

GNSO Secretariat

 



REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO) Liaison to the
Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)

Background
As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on  how  to  facilitate  early
engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy  development   activities
implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014  to  30  June  2016).  This
mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
transform this pilot into a permanent role.

Objective
The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be  primarily  responsible  for
providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities in order to  complement
the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in  relation  to  these  (GNSO)
activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be responsible for  providing
the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC activities,  specifically  in
so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The  objective  of  the  liaison
mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is exploring, as well  as
existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early engagement of the  GAC  as
well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the GNSO.  In  addition  to
these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be  scheduled  between  the
GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all  the  relevant  information
has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a regular status  update
is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.

Skills and Experience
 ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development process as well  as  of
   recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the GNSO
 ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the course of ICANN  meetings
   and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via teleconference)
 ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be well-qualified for  the  position
   but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.

Responsibilities
 ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN  meetings  and  possible
   intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the ICANN meetings  should  the
   Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
 ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and objective manner
 ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the  preparation  of  briefing
   materials and/or responses to questions
 ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons where required, in  order
   to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
 ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
 ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
 ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
 ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where  GAC  early  input  is  in
   conflict with GNSO views

Practical Working
 ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
 ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be allowed to request the floor
 ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
 ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
 ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the mailing  list  admin  and
   receives replies by being cc?d

Application Process
1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the application of its
   candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed and current statement of
   interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and
   how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
   GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to complete the attached
   application template.
2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the deadline to the SSC by 10
   September 2017.
3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking into account the skills
   and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8 October 2017.
4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the nr 1 candidate to
   confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the candidate is still
   available.
5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form of a motion for
   confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16 October 2017 at the latest.
6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council during GNSO Council meeting
   on 1 November 2017.
7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November 2017).

Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an applicant specifically
states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept confidential.

Removal
In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of  the  liaison,  the  GNSO
Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide to remove  (and  possibly
replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.

Review and Renewal
The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council  in  its  position  every
year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer available  to  continue  in  this
role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take place.  As  part  of  this
review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC Secretariat for input  on  the
role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.


APPLICATION TEMPLATE

|Name                              |                                                |
|Affiliation                       |                                                |
|Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
|experience/expertise with GNSO    |                                                |
|policy development processes      |                                                |
|Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
|Previous engagements in GNSO work |                                                |
|in a leadership capacity          |                                                |
|Please describe your familiarity  |                                                |
|with GAC processes, including GAC |                                                |
|engagement in GNSO policy         |                                                |
|development                       |                                                |
|Please provide any other          |                                                |
|information that demonstrates your|                                                |
|qualifications for this position. |                                                |







----- End forwarded message -----

----- End forwarded message -----


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Sep  6 16:03:24 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 16:03:24 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <CAH5sThkGm-Bui2USr2P7__XeohspiR1E4jBje2vLKw2LEaRxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Dear all,

Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
this please do it soon.

We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.

(I don't see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
by the book as it were.)

Tapani

On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:

> Hi Rafik,
> 
> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection procedure,
> which we discussed there but didn't agree on (and still haven't).
> 
> But you are right that it wasn't in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
> My apologies for the mistake.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Tapani,
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions Iceland
> > (February 2016) and November 2016?
> > anyway, I didn't notice too much difference in the compare/clean versions.
> > maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in particular
> > for point #10).
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Rafik
> > 
> > 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> > 
> > > Dear PC,
> > >
> > > Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
> > > substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but I
> > > invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
> > > has sneaked in.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Tapani
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
> > > wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
> > >
> > > Dear Tapani,
> > >
> > > on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I'm writing with regards to the election
> > > process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
> > > round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
> > >
> > > You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at the
> > > last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all issues
> > > seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It's now the
> > > right time to catch up.
> > >
> > > Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
> > > 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention to
> > > modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We'd
> > > appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
> > > to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
> > >
> > > Thanks and regards
> > >
> > > Wolf-Ulrich
> > >
> > > ----- End forwarded message -----


From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Wed Sep  6 16:16:27 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 15:16:27 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
	GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <CAH5sThkGm-Bui2USr2P7__XeohspiR1E4jBje2vLKw2LEaRxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
 <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
Message-ID: <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,

Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion? 

Thanks,
Arsene

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
> this please do it soon.
> 
> We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
> and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
> 
> (I don't see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
> by the book as it were.)
> 
> Tapani
> 
>> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rafik,
>> 
>> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection procedure,
>> which we discussed there but didn't agree on (and still haven't).
>> 
>> But you are right that it wasn't in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
>> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
>> My apologies for the mistake.
>> 
>> Tapani
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tapani,
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions Iceland
>>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
>>> anyway, I didn't notice too much difference in the compare/clean versions.
>>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in particular
>>> for point #10).
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>> 
>>>> Dear PC,
>>>> 
>>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
>>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but I
>>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
>>>> has sneaked in.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> Tapani
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Tapani,
>>>> 
>>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I'm writing with regards to the election
>>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
>>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
>>>> 
>>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at the
>>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all issues
>>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It's now the
>>>> right time to catch up.
>>>> 
>>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
>>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention to
>>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We'd
>>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
>>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks and regards
>>>> 
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>> 
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Sep  6 17:01:10 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:01:10 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <CAH5sThkGm-Bui2USr2P7__XeohspiR1E4jBje2vLKw2LEaRxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
 <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170906140110.yiotsmb6unwssjcj@tarvainen.info>

Hi Ars?ne,

Please take a look at the attachmets at the bottom of this:

https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000808.html

Regards,

Tapani


On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Ars?ne Tungali (arsenebaguma at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> Hi Tapani,
> 
> Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Arsene
> 
> -----------------
> Ars?ne Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
> 
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
> 
> > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> > 
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
> > this please do it soon.
> > 
> > We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
> > and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
> > 
> > (I don't see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
> > by the book as it were.)
> > 
> > Tapani
> > 
> >> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi Rafik,
> >> 
> >> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection procedure,
> >> which we discussed there but didn't agree on (and still haven't).
> >> 
> >> But you are right that it wasn't in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
> >> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
> >> My apologies for the mistake.
> >> 
> >> Tapani
> >> 
> >>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Tapani,
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions Iceland
> >>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
> >>> anyway, I didn't notice too much difference in the compare/clean versions.
> >>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in particular
> >>> for point #10).
> >>> 
> >>> Best,
> >>> 
> >>> Rafik
> >>> 
> >>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> >>> 
> >>>> Dear PC,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
> >>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but I
> >>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
> >>>> has sneaked in.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Tapani
> >>>> 
> >>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
> >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
> >>>> 
> >>>> Dear Tapani,
> >>>> 
> >>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I'm writing with regards to the election
> >>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
> >>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
> >>>> 
> >>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at the
> >>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all issues
> >>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It's now the
> >>>> right time to catch up.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
> >>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention to
> >>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We'd
> >>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
> >>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Thanks and regards
> >>>> 
> >>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> >>>> 
> >>>> ----- End forwarded message -----


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Wed Sep  6 17:53:45 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:53:45 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Travel support problem
Message-ID: <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>

Dear EC and PC,

and especially oldtimers who may remember these things,

I've just been told incoming councillors will *not* get travel
funding for Abu Dhabi.

Could someone please confirm my memory that in the past both outgoing
and incoming councillors have received travel support to AGMs?

And if someone knows more about this, as in when and where this
has been decided, do tell.

Thanks.

----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----

only NomCom gets travel funding for the incoming, GNSO does not.

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Wed Sep  6 17:57:09 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 10:57:09 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Travel support problem
In-Reply-To: <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <093d1b8d-11b6-64ab-2db7-1f2df1f29242@mail.utoronto.ca>

I know I got travel when I was first elected.  But I also was attending 
an orientation session they were trialing for new councillors and board 
members....I can't really remember who funded me but I can look it up if 
you like. THe EWG might still have been funding us too, because we were 
still defending that thing....

cheers SP


On 2017-09-06 10:53, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:
> Dear EC and PC,
>
> and especially oldtimers who may remember these things,
>
> I've just been told incoming councillors will *not* get travel
> funding for Abu Dhabi.
>
> Could someone please confirm my memory that in the past both outgoing
> and incoming councillors have received travel support to AGMs?
>
> And if someone knows more about this, as in when and where this
> has been decided, do tell.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>
> only NomCom gets travel funding for the incoming, GNSO does not.
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Wed Sep  6 23:46:12 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 16:46:12 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
	GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <20170906140110.yiotsmb6unwssjcj@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <CAH5sThkGm-Bui2USr2P7__XeohspiR1E4jBje2vLKw2LEaRxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
 <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
 <20170906140110.yiotsmb6unwssjcj@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <9wrgsducdiyKX0kUkHQC93JsY0NxUc4l7U10kvkmkHgUTQdQyEJzZltW78ZVdrdhS61vUbqp4pJvMK892tDaWErV1P41HvQqSCLCQAa4NyA=@ferdeline.com>

Thanks for following protocol here, Tapani. I am glad to have the opportunity to review this procedure. I see nothing untoward in it; though I am curious what "extraordinary reasons" (see #3) could justify the rejection of a sitting VC from serving a second term.

Finally, I'd just like to note - and maybe this is not the right time to do so - that back in July [I nominated Rafik](https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-July/000729.html) to serve as Chair of the GNSO Council. My nomination stands; I really think he would do well in this role.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process; GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
> Local Time: 6 September 2017 3:01 PM
> UTC Time: 6 September 2017 14:01
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi Ars?ne,
>
> Please take a look at the attachmets at the bottom of this:
>
> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000808.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Tapani
>
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Ars?ne Tungali (arsenebaguma at gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tapani,
>>
>> Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Arsene
>>
>> -----------------
>> Ars?ne Tungali,
>> about.me/ArseneTungali
>> +243 993810967
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>
>> > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
>> > this please do it soon.
>> >
>> > We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
>> > and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
>> >
>> > (I don"t see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
>> > by the book as it were.)
>> >
>> > Tapani
>> >
>> >> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rafik,
>> >>
>> >> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection procedure,
>> >> which we discussed there but didn"t agree on (and still haven"t).
>> >>
>> >> But you are right that it wasn"t in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
>> >> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
>> >> My apologies for the mistake.
>> >>
>> >> Tapani
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Tapani,
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions Iceland
>> >>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
>> >>> anyway, I didn"t notice too much difference in the compare/clean versions.
>> >>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in particular
>> >>> for point #10).
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Rafik
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Dear PC,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
>> >>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but I
>> >>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
>> >>>> has sneaked in.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thank you,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tapani
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
>> >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear Tapani,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I"m writing with regards to the election
>> >>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
>> >>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at the
>> >>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all issues
>> >>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It"s now the
>> >>>> right time to catch up.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
>> >>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention to
>> >>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We"d
>> >>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
>> >>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks and regards
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 02:08:29 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:08:29 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] [NCSG-EC] Travel support problem
In-Reply-To: <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmpYR1NvHX5Dyrc-g9NbR4Rx-Tk0tpJbL2C+4vk-UxoSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

yes, incoming councilors to attend AGM since they will start by the end of
GNSO public meeting and vote for chair.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-06 23:53 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen via NCSG-EC <
ncsg-ec at lists.ncsg.is>:

> Dear EC and PC,
>
> and especially oldtimers who may remember these things,
>
> I've just been told incoming councillors will *not* get travel
> funding for Abu Dhabi.
>
> Could someone please confirm my memory that in the past both outgoing
> and incoming councillors have received travel support to AGMs?
>
> And if someone knows more about this, as in when and where this
> has been decided, do tell.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>
> only NomCom gets travel funding for the incoming, GNSO does not.
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-EC mailing list
> NCSG-EC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-ec
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From avri at apc.org  Thu Sep  7 02:27:34 2017
From: avri at apc.org (avri doria)
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 19:27:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <9wrgsducdiyKX0kUkHQC93JsY0NxUc4l7U10kvkmkHgUTQdQyEJzZltW78ZVdrdhS61vUbqp4pJvMK892tDaWErV1P41HvQqSCLCQAa4NyA=@ferdeline.com>
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(observing)


On 06-Sep-17 16:46, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Finally, I'd just like to note - and maybe this is not the right time
> to do so - that back in July I nominated Rafik
> <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-July/000729.html> to
> serve as Chair of the GNSO Council. My nomination stands; I really
> think he would do well in this role.
>

that is a fine nomination.

avri


From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 02:49:27 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 08:49:27 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
In-Reply-To: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,

Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
Committee.
the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
September(this Friday).

we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?

for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
mailing list.

best,

Rafik

2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:

> Dear PC members,
>
> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
> candidates here as well as SGs).
>
> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tapani
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
> -----
>
> Dear all,
>
> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>
> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
> if we so choose.
>
> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>
> For details see below.
>
> Tapani
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
> that
> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
> hereby
> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note
> the
> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link
> to
> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
> candidate
> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>
>
>
> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> GNSO Secretariat
>
>
>
>
>
> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
> Liaison to the
> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>
> Background
> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
> how  to  facilitate  early
> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option
> of  appointing  a  GNSO
> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore.
> As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy
> development   activities
> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014  to
> 30  June  2016).  This
> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to
> the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>
> Objective
> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
> primarily  responsible  for
> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities
> in order to  complement
> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
> relation  to  these  (GNSO)
> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
> responsible for  providing
> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
> activities,  specifically  in
> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
> objective  of  the  liaison
> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is
> exploring, as well  as
> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
> engagement of the  GAC  as
> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the
> GNSO.  In  addition  to
> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be
> scheduled  between  the
> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
> the  relevant  information
> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a
> regular status  update
> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>
> Skills and Experience
>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development
> process as well  as  of
>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the
> GNSO
>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
> course of ICANN  meetings
>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via teleconference)
>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
> well-qualified for  the  position
>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>
> Responsibilities
>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN
> meetings  and  possible
>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
> ICANN meetings  should  the
>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and
> objective manner
>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
> preparation  of  briefing
>    materials and/or responses to questions
>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
> where required, in  order
>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
> GAC  early  input  is  in
>    conflict with GNSO views
>
> Practical Working
>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
> allowed to request the floor
>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
> request the floor
>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
> request the floor
>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
> mailing  list  admin  and
>    receives replies by being cc?d
>
> Application Process
> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
> application of its
>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed
> and current statement of
>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
> applied for this role and
>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017
> at the latest to the
>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
> complete the attached
>    application template.
> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
> deadline to the SSC by 10
>    September 2017.
> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
> into account the skills
>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
> October 2017.
> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the
> nr 1 candidate to
>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the
> candidate is still
>    available.
> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form
> of a motion for
>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
> October 2017 at the latest.
> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
> during GNSO Council meeting
>    on 1 November 2017.
> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
> 2017).
>
> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
> applicant specifically
> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
> confidential.
>
> Removal
> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of
> the  liaison,  the  GNSO
> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide to
> remove  (and  possibly
> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>
> Review and Renewal
> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council
> in  its  position  every
> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer available
> to  continue  in  this
> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
> place.  As  part  of  this
> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
> Secretariat for input  on  the
> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>
>
> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>
> |Name                              |
>           |
> |Affiliation                       |
>           |
> |Please provide an overview of your|
>           |
> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
>           |
> |policy development processes      |
>           |
> |Please provide an overview of your|
>           |
> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
>           |
> |in a leadership capacity          |
>           |
> |Please describe your familiarity  |
>           |
> |with GAC processes, including GAC |
>           |
> |engagement in GNSO policy         |
>           |
> |development                       |
>           |
> |Please provide any other          |
>           |
> |information that demonstrates your|
>           |
> |qualifications for this position. |
>           |
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> _______________________________________________
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Sep  7 09:40:06 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:40:06 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Travel support problem
In-Reply-To: <14abd169d59f4b27a8c7947b22ff4ace@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
 <20170906145345.bao3zidfoiuaoip7@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <20170907064006.xiuyvyakxkmoxpm5@roller.tarvainen.info>

Dear all,

Thankfully this issue has been resolved favourably, our incoming
councillors are funded to Abu Dhabi as they should be. :-)

Tapani

On Sep 06 21:19, Terri Agnew (terri.agnew at icann.org) wrote:

> [...] After several discussions today with others, NCSG is indeed
> funded for incoming/outgoing councilors for AGM meetings only. [...]

----- End forwarded message -----


From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 10:22:07 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:22:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Travel support problem
In-Reply-To: <20170907064006.xiuyvyakxkmoxpm5@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170907064006.xiuyvyakxkmoxpm5@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <D3EBE579-52C8-40EF-9E74-69D1F9705765@gmail.com>

Thanks Tapani for having so diligently worked on solving this issue.

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 8:40 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Thankfully this issue has been resolved favourably, our incoming
> councillors are funded to Abu Dhabi as they should be. :-)
> 
> Tapani
> 
>> On Sep 06 21:19, Terri Agnew (terri.agnew at icann.org) wrote:
>> 
>> [...] After several discussions today with others, NCSG is indeed
>> funded for incoming/outgoing councilors for AGM meetings only. [...]
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Sep  7 10:31:27 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 10:31:27 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170907073127.GA30812@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>

Hi Rafik, all,

So far I've only got one, Julf. I'll ask him to fill the template,
in the meantime here's his SOI:

https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Johan+%28Julf%29+Helsingius+SOI

Tapani

On Sep 07 08:49, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi Tapani,
> 
> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
> Committee.
> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
> September(this Friday).
> 
> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
> template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
> 
> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
> mailing list.
> 
> best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> 
> > Dear PC members,
> >
> > In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
> > volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
> > didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
> > would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
> > here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
> > on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
> > candidates here as well as SGs).
> >
> > So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
> > Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
> > -----
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
> >
> > This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
> > if we so choose.
> >
> > If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
> > please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
> > is this Friday, so please act before that!
> >
> > For details see below.
> >
> > Tapani
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
> > that
> > he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
> > hereby
> > launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
> > attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
> > the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note
> > the
> > leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
> > application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link
> > to
> > a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
> > explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
> > candidate
> > meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
> > GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
> > Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
> >
> >
> >
> > Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
> > GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
> >
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > GNSO Secretariat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
> > Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
> > Liaison to the
> > Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
> >
> > Background
> > As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
> > how  to  facilitate  early
> > engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option
> > of  appointing  a  GNSO
> > liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore.
> > As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
> > Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy
> > development   activities
> > implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014  to
> > 30  June  2016).  This
> > mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to
> > the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
> > transform this pilot into a permanent role.
> >
> > Objective
> > The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
> > primarily  responsible  for
> > providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities
> > in order to  complement
> > the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
> > relation  to  these  (GNSO)
> > activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
> > responsible for  providing
> > the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
> > activities,  specifically  in
> > so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
> > objective  of  the  liaison
> > mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is
> > exploring, as well  as
> > existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
> > engagement of the  GAC  as
> > well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the
> > GNSO.  In  addition  to
> > these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be
> > scheduled  between  the
> > GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
> > the  relevant  information
> > has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a
> > regular status  update
> > is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
> >
> > Skills and Experience
> >  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development
> > process as well  as  of
> >    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the
> > GNSO
> >  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
> > course of ICANN  meetings
> >    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via teleconference)
> >  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
> > well-qualified for  the  position
> >    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
> >
> > Responsibilities
> >  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN
> > meetings  and  possible
> >    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
> > ICANN meetings  should  the
> >    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
> >  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and
> > objective manner
> >  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
> > preparation  of  briefing
> >    materials and/or responses to questions
> >  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
> > where required, in  order
> >    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
> >  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
> >  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
> >  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
> >  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
> > GAC  early  input  is  in
> >    conflict with GNSO views
> >
> > Practical Working
> >  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
> >  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
> > allowed to request the floor
> >  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
> > request the floor
> >  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
> > request the floor
> >  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
> > mailing  list  admin  and
> >    receives replies by being cc?d
> >
> > Application Process
> > 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
> > application of its
> >    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed
> > and current statement of
> >    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
> > applied for this role and
> >    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017
> > at the latest to the
> >    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
> > complete the attached
> >    application template.
> > 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
> > deadline to the SSC by 10
> >    September 2017.
> > 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
> > into account the skills
> >    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
> > October 2017.
> > 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the
> > nr 1 candidate to
> >    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the
> > candidate is still
> >    available.
> > 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form
> > of a motion for
> >    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
> > October 2017 at the latest.
> > 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
> > during GNSO Council meeting
> >    on 1 November 2017.
> > 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
> > 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
> > 2017).
> >
> > Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
> > applicant specifically
> > states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
> > confidential.
> >
> > Removal
> > In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of
> > the  liaison,  the  GNSO
> > Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide to
> > remove  (and  possibly
> > replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
> >
> > Review and Renewal
> > The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council
> > in  its  position  every
> > year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer available
> > to  continue  in  this
> > role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
> > place.  As  part  of  this
> > review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
> > Secretariat for input  on  the
> > role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
> >
> >
> > APPLICATION TEMPLATE
> >
> > |Name                              |
> >           |
> > |Affiliation                       |
> >           |
> > |Please provide an overview of your|
> >           |
> > |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
> >           |
> > |policy development processes      |
> >           |
> > |Please provide an overview of your|
> >           |
> > |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
> >           |
> > |in a leadership capacity          |
> >           |
> > |Please describe your familiarity  |
> >           |
> > |with GAC processes, including GAC |
> >           |
> > |engagement in GNSO policy         |
> >           |
> > |development                       |
> >           |
> > |Please provide any other          |
> >           |
> > |information that demonstrates your|
> >           |
> > |qualifications for this position. |
> >           |
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----


From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Thu Sep  7 10:33:21 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:33:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <9wrgsducdiyKX0kUkHQC93JsY0NxUc4l7U10kvkmkHgUTQdQyEJzZltW78ZVdrdhS61vUbqp4pJvMK892tDaWErV1P41HvQqSCLCQAa4NyA=@ferdeline.com>
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All,

I think I already supported this nomination few weeks ago on the PC
list. My support stands.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 06/09/17 22:46, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Thanks for following protocol here, Tapani. I am glad to have the
> opportunity to review this procedure. I see nothing untoward in it;
> though I am curious what "extraordinary reasons" (see #3) could
> justify the rejection of a sitting VC from serving a second term.
>
> Finally, I'd just like to note - and maybe this is not the right time
> to do so - that back in July I nominated Rafik
> <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-July/000729.html> to
> serve as Chair of the GNSO Council. My nomination stands; I really
> think he would do well in this role.
>
> ?Ayden 
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election
>> Process; GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
>> Local Time: 6 September 2017 3:01 PM
>> UTC Time: 6 September 2017 14:01
>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>
>> Hi Ars?ne,
>>
>> Please take a look at the attachmets at the bottom of this:
>>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000808.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Ars?ne Tungali
>> (arsenebaguma at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Tapani,
>> >
>> > Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Arsene
>> >
>> > -----------------
>> > Ars?ne Tungali,
>> > about.me/ArseneTungali
>> > +243 993810967
>> > GPG: 523644A0
>> > Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>> >
>> > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
>> > > this please do it soon.
>> > >
>> > > We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
>> > > and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
>> > >
>> > > (I don"t see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
>> > > by the book as it were.)
>> > >
>> > > Tapani
>> > >
>> > >> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info)
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Rafik,
>> > >>
>> > >> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection
>> procedure,
>> > >> which we discussed there but didn"t agree on (and still haven"t).
>> > >>
>> > >> But you are right that it wasn"t in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
>> > >> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
>> > >> My apologies for the mistake.
>> > >>
>> > >> Tapani
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak
>> (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi Tapani,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks,
>> > >>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it
>> mentions Iceland
>> > >>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
>> > >>> anyway, I didn"t notice too much difference in the
>> compare/clean versions.
>> > >>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in
>> particular
>> > >>> for point #10).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Rafik
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen
>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Dear PC,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
>> > >>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in
>> Marrakech, but I
>> > >>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended
>> change
>> > >>>> has sneaked in.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thank you,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Tapani
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
>> > >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Dear Tapani,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I"m writing with regards to the
>> election
>> > >>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next
>> election
>> > >>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related
>> process at the
>> > >>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all
>> issues
>> > >>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It"s
>> now the
>> > >>>> right time to catch up.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from
>> 07 Nov
>> > >>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no
>> intention to
>> > >>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We"d
>> > >>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in
>> order
>> > >>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks and regards
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
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From matthew at intpolicy.com  Thu Sep  7 11:08:06 2017
From: matthew at intpolicy.com (Matthew Shears)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:08:06 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
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Likewise.


On 07/09/2017 08:33, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I think I already supported this nomination few weeks ago on the PC 
> list. My support stands.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
>
> On 06/09/17 22:46, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> Thanks for following protocol here, Tapani. I am glad to have the 
>> opportunity to review this procedure. I see nothing untoward in it; 
>> though I am curious what "extraordinary reasons" (see #3) could 
>> justify the rejection of a sitting VC from serving a second term.
>>
>> Finally, I'd just like to note - and maybe this is not the right time 
>> to do so - that back in July I nominated Rafik 
>> <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-July/000729.html> to 
>> serve as Chair of the GNSO Council. My nomination stands; I really 
>> think he would do well in this role.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election 
>>> Process; GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
>>> Local Time: 6 September 2017 3:01 PM
>>> UTC Time: 6 September 2017 14:01
>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>
>>> Hi Ars?ne,
>>>
>>> Please take a look at the attachmets at the bottom of this:
>>>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000808.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Ars?ne Tungali 
>>> (arsenebaguma at gmail.com) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Tapani,
>>> >
>>> > Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Arsene
>>> >
>>> > -----------------
>>> > Ars?ne Tungali,
>>> > about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> > +243 993810967
>>> > GPG: 523644A0
>>> > Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>> >
>>> > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen 
>>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Dear all,
>>> > >
>>> > > Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
>>> > > this please do it soon.
>>> > >
>>> > > We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
>>> > > and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
>>> > >
>>> > > (I don"t see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
>>> > > by the book as it were.)
>>> > >
>>> > > Tapani
>>> > >
>>> > >> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) 
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi Rafik,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection 
>>> procedure,
>>> > >> which we discussed there but didn"t agree on (and still haven"t).
>>> > >>
>>> > >> But you are right that it wasn"t in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
>>> > >> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
>>> > >> My apologies for the mistake.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Tapani
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak 
>>> (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Hi Tapani,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Thanks,
>>> > >>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it 
>>> mentions Iceland
>>> > >>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
>>> > >>> anyway, I didn"t notice too much difference in the 
>>> compare/clean versions.
>>> > >>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern 
>>> (in particular
>>> > >>> for point #10).
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Best,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Rafik
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen 
>>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> Dear PC,
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
>>> > >>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in 
>>> Marrakech, but I
>>> > >>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended 
>>> change
>>> > >>>> has sneaked in.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Thank you,
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Tapani
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
>>> > >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Dear Tapani,
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I"m writing with regards to the 
>>> election
>>> > >>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next 
>>> election
>>> > >>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related 
>>> process at the
>>> > >>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although 
>>> all issues
>>> > >>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It"s 
>>> now the
>>> > >>>> right time to catch up.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 
>>> 07 Nov
>>> > >>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no 
>>> intention to
>>> > >>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We"d
>>> > >>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap 
>>> in order
>>> > >>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Thanks and regards
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 12:14:34 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:14:34 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
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Hi all,

please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
we will see if we receive more applications.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Tapani,
>
> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
> Committee.
> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
> September(this Friday).
>
> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
> template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>
> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
> mailing list.
>
> best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>
>> Dear PC members,
>>
>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>
>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
>> -----
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>
>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>> if we so choose.
>>
>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>
>> For details see below.
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
>> that
>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
>> hereby
>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note
>> the
>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link
>> to
>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
>> candidate
>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> GNSO Secretariat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
>> Liaison to the
>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>
>> Background
>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
>> how  to  facilitate  early
>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option
>> of  appointing  a  GNSO
>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore.
>> As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy
>> development   activities
>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014
>> to  30  June  2016).  This
>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to
>> the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>
>> Objective
>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
>> primarily  responsible  for
>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities
>> in order to  complement
>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
>> relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
>> responsible for  providing
>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
>> activities,  specifically  in
>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
>> objective  of  the  liaison
>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG
>> is exploring, as well  as
>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
>> engagement of the  GAC  as
>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the
>> GNSO.  In  addition  to
>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be
>> scheduled  between  the
>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
>> the  relevant  information
>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which
>> a regular status  update
>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>
>> Skills and Experience
>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development
>> process as well  as  of
>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the
>> GNSO
>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
>> course of ICANN  meetings
>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via
>> teleconference)
>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
>> well-qualified for  the  position
>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>
>> Responsibilities
>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN
>> meetings  and  possible
>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
>> ICANN meetings  should  the
>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and
>> objective manner
>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
>> preparation  of  briefing
>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
>> where required, in  order
>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
>> GAC  early  input  is  in
>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>
>> Practical Working
>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
>> allowed to request the floor
>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed
>> to request the floor
>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
>> request the floor
>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
>> mailing  list  admin  and
>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>
>> Application Process
>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>> application of its
>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed
>> and current statement of
>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
>> applied for this role and
>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017
>> at the latest to the
>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
>> complete the attached
>>    application template.
>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
>> deadline to the SSC by 10
>>    September 2017.
>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
>> into account the skills
>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
>> October 2017.
>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the
>> nr 1 candidate to
>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the
>> candidate is still
>>    available.
>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form
>> of a motion for
>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
>> October 2017 at the latest.
>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
>> during GNSO Council meeting
>>    on 1 November 2017.
>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
>> 2017).
>>
>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
>> applicant specifically
>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
>> confidential.
>>
>> Removal
>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of
>> the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide
>> to remove  (and  possibly
>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>
>> Review and Renewal
>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council
>> in  its  position  every
>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer
>> available  to  continue  in  this
>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
>> place.  As  part  of  this
>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
>> Secretariat for input  on  the
>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>
>>
>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>
>> |Name                              |
>>           |
>> |Affiliation                       |
>>           |
>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>           |
>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
>>           |
>> |policy development processes      |
>>           |
>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>           |
>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
>>           |
>> |in a leadership capacity          |
>>           |
>> |Please describe your familiarity  |
>>           |
>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |
>>           |
>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |
>>           |
>> |development                       |
>>           |
>> |Please provide any other          |
>>           |
>> |information that demonstrates your|
>>           |
>> |qualifications for this position. |
>>           |
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>
>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 12:18:13 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 18:18:13 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=oRYCC1DdVhQx_-83L+awqeKchqEM__x5kvrPrSE=CkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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with the application attached

Rafik

2017-09-07 18:14 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
> we will see if we receive more applications.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi Tapani,
>>
>> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
>> Committee.
>> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
>> September(this Friday).
>>
>> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
>> template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>>
>> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
>> mailing list.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>
>>> Dear PC members,
>>>
>>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>>
>>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <
>>> ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>>
>>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>>> if we so choose.
>>>
>>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>>
>>> For details see below.
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
>>> that
>>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
>>> hereby
>>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
>>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well
>>> as
>>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note
>>> the
>>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a
>>> link to
>>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
>>> candidate
>>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
>>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
>>> Liaison to the
>>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>>
>>> Background
>>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
>>> how  to  facilitate  early
>>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the
>>> option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
>>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to
>>> explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy
>>> development   activities
>>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014
>>> to  30  June  2016).  This
>>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016
>>> to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>>
>>> Objective
>>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
>>> primarily  responsible  for
>>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development
>>> activities in order to  complement
>>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
>>> relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
>>> responsible for  providing
>>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
>>> activities,  specifically  in
>>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
>>> objective  of  the  liaison
>>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG
>>> is exploring, as well  as
>>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
>>> engagement of the  GAC  as
>>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and
>>> the GNSO.  In  addition  to
>>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to
>>> be  scheduled  between  the
>>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
>>> the  relevant  information
>>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which
>>> a regular status  update
>>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>>
>>> Skills and Experience
>>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy
>>> development process as well  as  of
>>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in
>>> the GNSO
>>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
>>> course of ICANN  meetings
>>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via
>>> teleconference)
>>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
>>> well-qualified for  the  position
>>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>>
>>> Responsibilities
>>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during
>>> ICANN  meetings  and  possible
>>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
>>> ICANN meetings  should  the
>>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral
>>> and objective manner
>>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
>>> preparation  of  briefing
>>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
>>> where required, in  order
>>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
>>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
>>> GAC  early  input  is  in
>>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>>
>>> Practical Working
>>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
>>> allowed to request the floor
>>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed
>>> to request the floor
>>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
>>> request the floor
>>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
>>> mailing  list  admin  and
>>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>>
>>> Application Process
>>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit
>>> the application of its
>>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed
>>> and current statement of
>>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
>>> applied for this role and
>>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017
>>> at the latest to the
>>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
>>> complete the attached
>>>    application template.
>>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
>>> deadline to the SSC by 10
>>>    September 2017.
>>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
>>> into account the skills
>>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
>>> October 2017.
>>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the
>>> nr 1 candidate to
>>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that
>>> the candidate is still
>>>    available.
>>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the
>>> form of a motion for
>>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
>>> October 2017 at the latest.
>>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
>>> during GNSO Council meeting
>>>    on 1 November 2017.
>>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
>>> 2017).
>>>
>>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
>>> applicant specifically
>>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
>>> confidential.
>>>
>>> Removal
>>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of
>>> the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide
>>> to remove  (and  possibly
>>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>>
>>> Review and Renewal
>>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council
>>> in  its  position  every
>>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer
>>> available  to  continue  in  this
>>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
>>> place.  As  part  of  this
>>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
>>> Secretariat for input  on  the
>>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>>
>>>
>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>>
>>> |Name                              |
>>>             |
>>> |Affiliation                       |
>>>             |
>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>             |
>>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
>>>             |
>>> |policy development processes      |
>>>             |
>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>             |
>>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
>>>             |
>>> |in a leadership capacity          |
>>>             |
>>> |Please describe your familiarity  |
>>>             |
>>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |
>>>             |
>>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |
>>>             |
>>> |development                       |
>>>             |
>>> |Please provide any other          |
>>>             |
>>> |information that demonstrates your|
>>>             |
>>> |qualifications for this position. |
>>>             |
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>
>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Thu Sep  7 13:50:48 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 06:50:48 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
	Liaison to the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=1vzG5OsaLCwxvf2ACtY3ssJbtZLFQkmHYsJGBdpKARA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170906042007.h2uck3wau4qcciou@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <CAH5sThk4WqAY7FD0Pri2fOvFfW5Y3FiNEACW4OYhCvsWtTMp2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=oRYCC1DdVhQx_-83L+awqeKchqEM__x5kvrPrSE=CkA@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, Tapani, Rafik-

I have no reservations about endorsing Julf's bid to serve as the GNSO Liaison to the GAC. This sounds to me like a full-time job; I'm surprised anyone would volunteer!

That said, I have heard of at least one other individual being interested in taking on this role, so I would suggest that we do one final call on the NCSG-Discuss list making clear tomorrow's hard deadline for applications being sent to the GNSO Secretariat.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 7 September 2017 10:18 AM
> UTC Time: 7 September 2017 09:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> with the application attached
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-07 18:14 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
>> we will see if we receive more applications.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Tapani,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy Committee.
>>> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th September(this Friday).
>>>
>>> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>>>
>>> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the mailing list.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>>
>>>> Dear PC members,
>>>>
>>>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>>>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>>>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>>>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>>>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>>>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>>>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>>>
>>>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>>>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>>>> if we so choose.
>>>>
>>>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>>>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>>>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>>>
>>>> For details see below.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated that
>>>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is hereby
>>>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
>>>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
>>>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note the
>>>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>>>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to
>>>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>>>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the candidate
>>>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>>>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>>>
>>>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>>>
>>>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>>>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO) Liaison to the
>>>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>>>
>>>> Background
>>>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on  how  to  facilitate  early
>>>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
>>>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>>>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy  development   activities
>>>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014  to  30  June  2016).  This
>>>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>>>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>>>
>>>> Objective
>>>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be  primarily  responsible  for
>>>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities in order to  complement
>>>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in  relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>>>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be responsible for  providing
>>>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC activities,  specifically  in
>>>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The  objective  of  the  liaison
>>>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is exploring, as well  as
>>>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early engagement of the  GAC  as
>>>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the GNSO.  In  addition  to
>>>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be  scheduled  between  the
>>>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all  the  relevant  information
>>>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a regular status  update
>>>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>>>
>>>> Skills and Experience
>>>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development process as well  as  of
>>>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the GNSO
>>>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the course of ICANN  meetings
>>>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via teleconference)
>>>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be well-qualified for  the  position
>>>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>>>
>>>> Responsibilities
>>>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN  meetings  and  possible
>>>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the ICANN meetings  should  the
>>>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and objective manner
>>>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the  preparation  of  briefing
>>>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons where required, in  order
>>>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
>>>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where  GAC  early  input  is  in
>>>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>>>
>>>> Practical Working
>>>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the mailing  list  admin  and
>>>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>>>
>>>> Application Process
>>>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the application of its
>>>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed and current statement of
>>>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and
>>>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to complete the attached
>>>>    application template.
>>>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the deadline to the SSC by 10
>>>>    September 2017.
>>>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking into account the skills
>>>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8 October 2017.
>>>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the nr 1 candidate to
>>>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the candidate is still
>>>>    available.
>>>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form of a motion for
>>>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16 October 2017 at the latest.
>>>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council during GNSO Council meeting
>>>>    on 1 November 2017.
>>>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>>>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November 2017).
>>>>
>>>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an applicant specifically
>>>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept confidential.
>>>>
>>>> Removal
>>>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of  the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>>>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide to remove  (and  possibly
>>>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>>>
>>>> Review and Renewal
>>>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council  in  its  position  every
>>>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer available  to  continue  in  this
>>>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take place.  As  part  of  this
>>>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC Secretariat for input  on  the
>>>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>>>
>>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>>>
>>>> |Name                              |                                                |
>>>> |Affiliation                       |                                                |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
>>>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |                                                |
>>>> |policy development processes      |                                                |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
>>>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |                                                |
>>>> |in a leadership capacity          |                                                |
>>>> |Please describe your familiarity  |                                                |
>>>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |                                                |
>>>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |                                                |
>>>> |development                       |                                                |
>>>> |Please provide any other          |                                                |
>>>> |information that demonstrates your|                                                |
>>>> |qualifications for this position. |                                                |
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 14:06:53 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 20:06:53 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
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good point Ayden, I just sent a quick reminder to the list.

Rafik

2017-09-07 19:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks, Tapani, Rafik-
>
> I have no reservations about endorsing Julf's bid to serve as the GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC. This sounds to me like a full-time job; I'm surprised
> anyone would volunteer!
>
> That said, I have heard of at least one other individual being interested
> in taking on this role, so I would suggest that we do one final call on the
> NCSG-Discuss list making clear tomorrow's hard deadline for applications
> being sent to the GNSO Secretariat.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 7 September 2017 10:18 AM
> UTC Time: 7 September 2017 09:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> with the application attached
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-07 18:14 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
>> we will see if we receive more applications.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Tapani,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
>>> Committee.
>>> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
>>> September(this Friday).
>>>
>>> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
>>> template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>>>
>>> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Dear PC members,
>>>>
>>>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>>>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>>>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>>>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>>>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>>>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>>>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>>>
>>>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>>>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <
>>>> ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>>>> if we so choose.
>>>>
>>>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>>>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>>>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>>>
>>>> For details see below.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
>>>> that
>>>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
>>>> hereby
>>>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in
>>>> the
>>>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well
>>>> as
>>>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please
>>>> note the
>>>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>>>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a
>>>> link to
>>>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>>>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
>>>> candidate
>>>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>>>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>>>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
>>>> Liaison to the
>>>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>>>
>>>> Background
>>>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
>>>> how  to  facilitate  early
>>>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the
>>>> option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
>>>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to
>>>> explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>>>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO
>>>> policy  development   activities
>>>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014
>>>> to  30  June  2016).  This
>>>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016
>>>> to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>>>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>>>
>>>> Objective
>>>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
>>>> primarily  responsible  for
>>>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development
>>>> activities in order to  complement
>>>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
>>>> relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>>>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
>>>> responsible for  providing
>>>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
>>>> activities,  specifically  in
>>>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
>>>> objective  of  the  liaison
>>>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG
>>>> is exploring, as well  as
>>>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
>>>> engagement of the  GAC  as
>>>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and
>>>> the GNSO.  In  addition  to
>>>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to
>>>> be  scheduled  between  the
>>>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
>>>> the  relevant  information
>>>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following
>>>> which a regular status  update
>>>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>>>
>>>> Skills and Experience
>>>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy
>>>> development process as well  as  of
>>>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in
>>>> the GNSO
>>>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
>>>> course of ICANN  meetings
>>>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via
>>>> teleconference)
>>>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
>>>> well-qualified for  the  position
>>>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>>>
>>>> Responsibilities
>>>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during
>>>> ICANN  meetings  and  possible
>>>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
>>>> ICANN meetings  should  the
>>>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral
>>>> and objective manner
>>>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
>>>> preparation  of  briefing
>>>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
>>>> where required, in  order
>>>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the
>>>> GNSO
>>>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
>>>> GAC  early  input  is  in
>>>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>>>
>>>> Practical Working
>>>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
>>>> allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed
>>>> to request the floor
>>>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
>>>> request the floor
>>>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
>>>> mailing  list  admin  and
>>>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>>>
>>>> Application Process
>>>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit
>>>> the application of its
>>>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a
>>>> completed and current statement of
>>>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
>>>> applied for this role and
>>>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September
>>>> 2017 at the latest to the
>>>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
>>>> complete the attached
>>>>    application template.
>>>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
>>>> deadline to the SSC by 10
>>>>    September 2017.
>>>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
>>>> into account the skills
>>>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
>>>> October 2017.
>>>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact
>>>> the nr 1 candidate to
>>>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that
>>>> the candidate is still
>>>>    available.
>>>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the
>>>> form of a motion for
>>>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
>>>> October 2017 at the latest.
>>>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
>>>> during GNSO Council meeting
>>>>    on 1 November 2017.
>>>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>>>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
>>>> 2017).
>>>>
>>>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
>>>> applicant specifically
>>>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
>>>> confidential.
>>>>
>>>> Removal
>>>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance
>>>> of  the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>>>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide
>>>> to remove  (and  possibly
>>>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>>>
>>>> Review and Renewal
>>>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO
>>>> Council  in  its  position  every
>>>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer
>>>> available  to  continue  in  this
>>>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
>>>> place.  As  part  of  this
>>>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
>>>> Secretariat for input  on  the
>>>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>>>
>>>> |Name                              |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Affiliation                       |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
>>>>             |
>>>> |policy development processes      |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
>>>>             |
>>>> |in a leadership capacity          |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please describe your familiarity  |
>>>>             |
>>>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |
>>>>             |
>>>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |
>>>>             |
>>>> |development                       |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide any other          |
>>>>             |
>>>> |information that demonstrates your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |qualifications for this position. |
>>>>             |
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Thu Sep  7 14:13:13 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:13:13 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
 Liaison to the GAC
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Thanks Rafik,

Same here,  I definitely share Ayden's thought on this, Julf has my support.

Thanks

Poncelet

On 7 September 2017 at 11:50, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Tapani, Rafik-
>
> I have no reservations about endorsing Julf's bid to serve as the GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC. This sounds to me like a full-time job; I'm surprised
> anyone would volunteer!
>
> That said, I have heard of at least one other individual being interested
> in taking on this role, so I would suggest that we do one final call on the
> NCSG-Discuss list making clear tomorrow's hard deadline for applications
> being sent to the GNSO Secretariat.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 7 September 2017 10:18 AM
> UTC Time: 7 September 2017 09:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> with the application attached
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-07 18:14 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
>> we will see if we receive more applications.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Tapani,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy
>>> Committee.
>>> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th
>>> September(this Friday).
>>>
>>> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled
>>> template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>>>
>>> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Dear PC members,
>>>>
>>>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>>>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>>>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>>>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>>>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>>>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>>>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>>>
>>>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>>>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <
>>>> ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>>>> if we so choose.
>>>>
>>>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>>>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>>>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>>>
>>>> For details see below.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated
>>>> that
>>>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is
>>>> hereby
>>>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in
>>>> the
>>>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well
>>>> as
>>>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please
>>>> note the
>>>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>>>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a
>>>> link to
>>>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>>>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the
>>>> candidate
>>>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>>>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to
>>>> the
>>>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>>>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO)
>>>> Liaison to the
>>>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>>>
>>>> Background
>>>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on
>>>> how  to  facilitate  early
>>>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the
>>>> option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
>>>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to
>>>> explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>>>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO
>>>> policy  development   activities
>>>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014
>>>> to  30  June  2016).  This
>>>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016
>>>> to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>>>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>>>
>>>> Objective
>>>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be
>>>> primarily  responsible  for
>>>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development
>>>> activities in order to  complement
>>>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in
>>>> relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>>>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be
>>>> responsible for  providing
>>>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC
>>>> activities,  specifically  in
>>>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The
>>>> objective  of  the  liaison
>>>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG
>>>> is exploring, as well  as
>>>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early
>>>> engagement of the  GAC  as
>>>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and
>>>> the GNSO.  In  addition  to
>>>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to
>>>> be  scheduled  between  the
>>>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all
>>>> the  relevant  information
>>>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following
>>>> which a regular status  update
>>>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>>>
>>>> Skills and Experience
>>>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy
>>>> development process as well  as  of
>>>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in
>>>> the GNSO
>>>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the
>>>> course of ICANN  meetings
>>>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via
>>>> teleconference)
>>>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be
>>>> well-qualified for  the  position
>>>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>>>
>>>> Responsibilities
>>>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during
>>>> ICANN  meetings  and  possible
>>>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the
>>>> ICANN meetings  should  the
>>>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral
>>>> and objective manner
>>>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the
>>>> preparation  of  briefing
>>>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons
>>>> where required, in  order
>>>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the
>>>> GNSO
>>>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where
>>>> GAC  early  input  is  in
>>>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>>>
>>>> Practical Working
>>>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be
>>>> allowed to request the floor
>>>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed
>>>> to request the floor
>>>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to
>>>> request the floor
>>>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the
>>>> mailing  list  admin  and
>>>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>>>
>>>> Application Process
>>>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit
>>>> the application of its
>>>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a
>>>> completed and current statement of
>>>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has
>>>> applied for this role and
>>>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September
>>>> 2017 at the latest to the
>>>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to
>>>> complete the attached
>>>>    application template.
>>>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the
>>>> deadline to the SSC by 10
>>>>    September 2017.
>>>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking
>>>> into account the skills
>>>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8
>>>> October 2017.
>>>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact
>>>> the nr 1 candidate to
>>>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that
>>>> the candidate is still
>>>>    available.
>>>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the
>>>> form of a motion for
>>>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16
>>>> October 2017 at the latest.
>>>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council
>>>> during GNSO Council meeting
>>>>    on 1 November 2017.
>>>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>>>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November
>>>> 2017).
>>>>
>>>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an
>>>> applicant specifically
>>>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept
>>>> confidential.
>>>>
>>>> Removal
>>>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance
>>>> of  the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>>>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide
>>>> to remove  (and  possibly
>>>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>>>
>>>> Review and Renewal
>>>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO
>>>> Council  in  its  position  every
>>>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer
>>>> available  to  continue  in  this
>>>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take
>>>> place.  As  part  of  this
>>>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC
>>>> Secretariat for input  on  the
>>>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>>>
>>>> |Name                              |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Affiliation                       |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |
>>>>             |
>>>> |policy development processes      |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |
>>>>             |
>>>> |in a leadership capacity          |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please describe your familiarity  |
>>>>             |
>>>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |
>>>>             |
>>>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |
>>>>             |
>>>> |development                       |
>>>>             |
>>>> |Please provide any other          |
>>>>             |
>>>> |information that demonstrates your|
>>>>             |
>>>> |qualifications for this position. |
>>>>             |
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>
>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
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Good that we can wait until tomorrow to make a final decision, provided we have another candidate showing up!

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> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rafik,
> 
> Same here,  I definitely share Ayden's thought on this, Julf has my support.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Poncelet
> 
>> On 7 September 2017 at 11:50, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, Tapani, Rafik-
>> 
>> I have no reservations about endorsing Julf's bid to serve as the GNSO Liaison to the GAC. This sounds to me like a full-time job; I'm surprised anyone would volunteer!
>> 
>> That said, I have heard of at least one other individual being interested in taking on this role, so I would suggest that we do one final call on the NCSG-Discuss list making clear tomorrow's hard deadline for applications being sent to the GNSO Secretariat.
>> 
>> Best wishes, Ayden  
>> 
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: Call for candidates - GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>>> Local Time: 7 September 2017 10:18 AM
>>> UTC Time: 7 September 2017 09:18
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>>> NCSG PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> 
>>> with the application attached 
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-07 18:14 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> please find attached the application sent by Julf for our review.
>>>> we will see if we receive more applications.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-09-07 8:49 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>> Hi Tapani,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the message, yes we discussed this is a task for Policy Committee.
>>>>> the constraint is that the deadline for submission is the 8th September(this Friday). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> we need to get the list of those of expressed interests with the filled template. can you please relay the SOI you got so far?
>>>>> 
>>>>> for policy committee, we will discuss the candidate's endorsement on the mailing list. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2017-09-06 13:20 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>>>>> Dear PC members,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In case you missed the below in ncsg-discuss, I called out for
>>>>>> volunteers for GAC liaison position. I was in a bit of a rush and
>>>>>> didn't think it through, but of course endorsement on behalf of NCSG
>>>>>> would belong to the PC rather than EC, so I'll let Rafik take over
>>>>>> here (still up to Farzaneh to decide if NCUC wants to endorse someone
>>>>>> on their own - as far as I can tell constituencies can endorse
>>>>>> candidates here as well as SGs).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So far I've received one definite expression of interest, namely from
>>>>>> Julf Helsingius. I'll let you know immediately if I get more.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tapani
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO> -----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A reminder, GNSO GAC liaison position will be vacant after Abu Dhabi.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This isn't a position we're entitled to, we can only endorse people
>>>>>> if we so choose.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you think you qualify and are interested and want NCSG endorsement,
>>>>>> please let me know ASAP, preferably right now, Cc: Farzaneh. Deadline
>>>>>> is this Friday, so please act before that!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For details see below.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tapani
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org> -----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As you may be aware,  the current GNSO liaison to the GAC has indicated that
>>>>>> he will step down as GAC Liaison at ICANN60, a call for volunteers is hereby
>>>>>> launched to identify new candidates. You will find further details in the
>>>>>> attached document concerning the required skills and expertise, as well as
>>>>>> the selection process. In relation to nominating candidates, please note the
>>>>>> leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the
>>>>>> application of its candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to
>>>>>> a completed and current statement of interest as well as a brief note
>>>>>> explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and how the candidate
>>>>>> meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>>>> GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> ).
>>>>>> Candidates are requested to complete the attached application template.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to the
>>>>>> GNSO Secretariat at gnso-secs at icann.org <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org> .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> REQUEST FOR CANDIDATES ? GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
>>>>>> Candidates are invited for Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO) Liaison to the
>>>>>> Governmental Advisory Committee (GAC)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Background
>>>>>> As part of the discussions within ICANN between the GNSO and GAC,  on  how  to  facilitate  early
>>>>>> engagement of the GAC in GNSO policy development activities, the  option  of  appointing  a  GNSO
>>>>>> liaison to the GAC has been proposed as one of the mechanisms to explore. As such,  the  GAC-GNSO
>>>>>> Consultation  Group  (CG)  on  GAC  Early  Engagement  in  GNSO  policy  development   activities
>>>>>> implemented a two-year pilot program in FY15-16 (starting 1 July 2014  to  30  June  2016).  This
>>>>>> mechanism was evaluated by the CG which recommended  in  March  2016  to  the  GAC  and  GNSO  to
>>>>>> transform this pilot into a permanent role.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Objective
>>>>>> The GNSO liaison to  the  GAC  (hereafter  ?the  Liaison?)  will  be  primarily  responsible  for
>>>>>> providing timely updates to the GAC on GNSO policy development activities in order to  complement
>>>>>> the existing notification processes as well answering  questions  in  relation  to  these  (GNSO)
>>>>>> activities that GAC members may have. Furthermore, the Liaison will be responsible for  providing
>>>>>> the GNSO Council with regular updates on progress, including on GAC activities,  specifically  in
>>>>>> so far as these relate to  issues  of  interest  to  the  GNSO.  The  objective  of  the  liaison
>>>>>> mechanism, in combination with some of the other mechanisms that the CG is exploring, as well  as
>>>>>> existing early engagement tools, will be to facilitate effective early engagement of the  GAC  as
>>>>>> well as generally assist with flow of information between the GAC and the GNSO.  In  addition  to
>>>>>> these existing engagement tools, regular co-ordination calls are  to  be  scheduled  between  the
>>>>>> GNSO Liaison to the GAC and the GAC Secretariat to ascertain that all  the  relevant  information
>>>>>> has been received by the GAC and progress is being made, following which a regular status  update
>>>>>> is provided by the Liaison to the GNSO Council.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Skills and Experience
>>>>>>  ? Significant experience in and knowledge of the GNSO policy development process as well  as  of
>>>>>>    recent and current policy work under discussion and / or review in the GNSO
>>>>>>  ? Availability to travel to and participate in GAC meetings during the course of ICANN  meetings
>>>>>>    and also, where applicable, intercessional meetings (via teleconference)
>>>>>>  ? A former or recently departed GNSO Councilor is likely to be well-qualified for  the  position
>>>>>>    but this is not a necessary criterion for the Liaison.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Responsibilities
>>>>>>  ? Attend and participate as  required  in  GAC  meetings  during  ICANN  meetings  and  possible
>>>>>>    intercessional meetings (Note: travel funding is available for the ICANN meetings  should  the
>>>>>>    Liaison otherwise not be able to attend an ICANN meeting)
>>>>>>  ? Represent and communicate the policy work of the GNSO in a neutral and objective manner
>>>>>>  ? Liaise with ICANN policy staff who may assist, as  needed,  in  the  preparation  of  briefing
>>>>>>    materials and/or responses to questions
>>>>>>  ? Liaise with relevant working groups, utilizing GNSO Council liaisons where required, in  order
>>>>>>    to be continuously current and knowledgeable on work in progress
>>>>>>  ? Provide regular updates to the GNSO Council
>>>>>>  ? Guide the GAC in opportunities for early engagement
>>>>>>  ? Keep the GAC updated on how its early input was considered by the GNSO
>>>>>>  ? Assist in the facilitation of GAC-GNSO discussions in  cases  where  GAC  early  input  is  in
>>>>>>    conflict with GNSO views
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Practical Working
>>>>>>  ? Attend all GAC open meetings and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>>>  ? Attend GAC closed meetings discussing GNSO related topics and be allowed to request the floor
>>>>>>  ? Attend GAC conference calls by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
>>>>>>  ? Join GAC working groups by invitation and accordingly be allowed to request the floor
>>>>>>  ? Will not be on the GAC mailing list but may send to it t through the mailing  list  admin  and
>>>>>>    receives replies by being cc?d
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Application Process
>>>>>> 1. The leadership of each Stakeholder Group / Constituency may submit the application of its
>>>>>>    candidate(s), which should include at a minimum a link to a completed and current statement of
>>>>>>    interest as well as a brief note explaining why the candidate has applied for this role and
>>>>>>    how the candidate meets the specific requirements by 8 September 2017 at the latest to the
>>>>>>    GNSO Secretariat (gnso-secs at icann.org). Candidates are requested to complete the attached
>>>>>>    application template.
>>>>>> 2. The GNSO Secretariat will relay the applications received by the deadline to the SSC by 10
>>>>>>    September 2017.
>>>>>> 3. The SSC will review the applications received and rank these taking into account the skills
>>>>>>    and experience required as outlined in this call for volunteers by 8 October 2017.
>>>>>> 4. Based on the outcome of the ranking process, the SSC will contact the nr 1 candidate to
>>>>>>    confirm the proposed selection by 11 October 2017 and confirm that the candidate is still
>>>>>>    available.
>>>>>> 5. The SSC will submit its recommendation to the GNSO Council in the form of a motion for
>>>>>>    confirmation of GNSO Liaison to the GAC to the GNSO Council by 16 October 2017 at the latest.
>>>>>> 6. Consideration of motion and approval of candidate by GNSO Council during GNSO Council meeting
>>>>>>    on 1 November 2017.
>>>>>> 7. Confirmation of candidate to GAC leadership (by 3 November 2017).
>>>>>> 8. GNSO Liaison to the GAC officially takes up its role (by 3 November 2017).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please note that the name of applicants will be made public unless an applicant specifically
>>>>>> states in his/her application that his/her name should be kept confidential.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Removal
>>>>>> In the case of significant issues identified with  the  performance  of  the  liaison,  the  GNSO
>>>>>> Council Leadership, in consultation with the GAC Leadership, may decide to remove  (and  possibly
>>>>>> replace) the Liaison at any point during the Liaison?s term.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Review and Renewal
>>>>>> The role is reviewed and the liaison is reconfirmed by the GNSO Council  in  its  position  every
>>>>>> year, unless the Liaison has indicated that he/she is no longer available  to  continue  in  this
>>>>>> role in which case a new selection process as outlined above will take place.  As  part  of  this
>>>>>> review, the GNSO Council is expected to request the GAC and/or GAC Secretariat for input  on  the
>>>>>> role and functioning of the GNSO Liaison to the GAC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> |Name                              |                                                |
>>>>>> |Affiliation                       |                                                |
>>>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
>>>>>> |experience/expertise with GNSO    |                                                |
>>>>>> |policy development processes      |                                                |
>>>>>> |Please provide an overview of your|                                                |
>>>>>> |Previous engagements in GNSO work |                                                |
>>>>>> |in a leadership capacity          |                                                |
>>>>>> |Please describe your familiarity  |                                                |
>>>>>> |with GAC processes, including GAC |                                                |
>>>>>> |engagement in GNSO policy         |                                                |
>>>>>> |development                       |                                                |
>>>>>> |Please provide any other          |                                                |
>>>>>> |information that demonstrates your|                                                |
>>>>>> |qualifications for this position. |                                                |
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 16:16:58 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 15:16:58 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <CAH5sThkGm-Bui2USr2P7__XeohspiR1E4jBje2vLKw2LEaRxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
 <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
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Hi Tapani,

I went through the documents and have no comment to raise.

I would like to join Ayden and request that section (#3) be expanded a
bit in explaining what those extraordinary reasons might be. We might
not be able to cover all possible scenario but maybe as a start. I am
sorry i cannot help here :(

I would also like to second Rafik's nomination for the GNSO Chair
position and I really hope if he is elected, this new role will not
take him away from the NCSG.

Regards,
Arsene

2017-09-06 15:16 UTC+02:00, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
> Hi Tapani,
>
> Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion?
>
> Thanks,
> Arsene
>
> -----------------
> Ars?ne Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
>> this please do it soon.
>>
>> We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
>> and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
>>
>> (I don't see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
>> by the book as it were.)
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>>> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection procedure,
>>> which we discussed there but didn't agree on (and still haven't).
>>>
>>> But you are right that it wasn't in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
>>> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
>>> My apologies for the mistake.
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak
>>>> (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tapani,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions
>>>> Iceland
>>>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
>>>> anyway, I didn't notice too much difference in the compare/clean
>>>> versions.
>>>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in
>>>> particular
>>>> for point #10).
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
>>>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but I
>>>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
>>>>> has sneaked in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tapani
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
>>>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Tapani,
>>>>>
>>>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I'm writing with regards to the election
>>>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
>>>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
>>>>>
>>>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at the
>>>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all issues
>>>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It's now the
>>>>> right time to catch up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
>>>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention to
>>>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We'd
>>>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
>>>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Wolf-Ulrich
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Thu Sep  7 18:50:00 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 12:50:00 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election Process;
 GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
In-Reply-To: <631c3b89-c0d1-8517-a3c9-7b93420e0ddd@mpicc.de>
References: <20170808112837.GA28325@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
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 <20170809050615.xmr3ocozwoy3pnek@tarvainen.info>
 <20170906130324.GJ17357@tehanu.it.jyu.fi>
 <F4F370A1-105A-45CD-B8A7-34644EF494E5@gmail.com>
 <20170906140110.yiotsmb6unwssjcj@tarvainen.info>
 <9wrgsducdiyKX0kUkHQC93JsY0NxUc4l7U10kvkmkHgUTQdQyEJzZltW78ZVdrdhS61vUbqp4pJvMK892tDaWErV1P41HvQqSCLCQAa4NyA=@ferdeline.com>
 <631c3b89-c0d1-8517-a3c9-7b93420e0ddd@mpicc.de>
Message-ID: <CAJjnsDF4OrJcqES75_VLtG73QG6synjjK3_qZvHHoi54a9kGNQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree on the support, my next question would be, what is the situation
out there? Do we know who else is being nominated and what should we do to
get the support needed from other stakeholders?
Cheers,
Martin

On 7 Sep 2017 4:33 am, "Dr. Tatiana Tropina" <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:

> All,
>
> I think I already supported this nomination few weeks ago on the PC list.
> My support stands.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 06/09/17 22:46, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> Thanks for following protocol here, Tapani. I am glad to have the
> opportunity to review this procedure. I see nothing untoward in it; though
> I am curious what "extraordinary reasons" (see #3) could justify the
> rejection of a sitting VC from serving a second term.
>
> Finally, I'd just like to note - and maybe this is not the right time to
> do so - that back in July I nominated Rafik
> <https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-July/000729.html> to serve
> as Chair of the GNSO Council. My nomination stands; I really think he would
> do well in this role.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: GNSO Council Vice Chair (NCPH) Election
> Process; GNSO Board Seat (NCPH) Election Process
> Local Time: 6 September 2017 3:01 PM
> UTC Time: 6 September 2017 14:01
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi Ars?ne,
>
> Please take a look at the attachmets at the bottom of this:
>
> https://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/2017-August/000808.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Tapani
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:16:27PM +0200, Ars?ne Tungali (
> arsenebaguma at gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tapani,
> >
> > Can you please attach the relevant documents in discussion?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Arsene
> >
> > -----------------
> > Ars?ne Tungali,
> > about.me/ArseneTungali
> > +243 993810967
> > GPG: 523644A0
> > Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
> >
> > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Tapani Tarvainen
> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > Just a reminder, if anyone still has something to say about
> > > this please do it soon.
> > >
> > > We have this on EC agenda on Friday, so we can make formal decision
> > > and I can tell CSG we have approved it and negotiations can start.
> > >
> > > (I don"t see anything difficult in this, just trying to do things
> > > by the book as it were.)
> > >
> > > Tapani
> > >
> > >> On Aug 09 08:06, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Rafik,
> > >>
> > >> The reference to Iceland is about the board member selection
> procedure,
> > >> which we discussed there but didn"t agree on (and still haven"t).
> > >>
> > >> But you are right that it wasn"t in Marrakech where the Vice Chair
> > >> procedure was agreed on, but in Hyderabad (November 2016).
> > >> My apologies for the mistake.
> > >>
> > >> Tapani
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:17:50AM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Tapani,
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> are you sure that we agreed on this in Marrakech since it mentions
> Iceland
> > >>> (February 2016) and November 2016?
> > >>> anyway, I didn"t notice too much difference in the compare/clean
> versions.
> > >>> maybe English native speakers can spot something of concern (in
> particular
> > >>> for point #10).
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-08-08 20:28 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen
> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Dear PC,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please see below and attached. To mee the cleaned version seems
> > >>>> substantively identical with the one we agreed on in Marrakech, but
> I
> > >>>> invite you all to read between the lines lest some unintended change
> > >>>> has sneaked in.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tapani
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- Forwarded message from "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben" <
> > >>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de> -----
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dear Tapani,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> on behalf of the CSG-ExComm, I"m writing with regards to the
> election
> > >>>> process for the GNSO council vice chair position. The next election
> > >>>> round is due before the AGM in Abu Dhabi.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You may recall that the NCPH managed to draft a related process at
> the
> > >>>> last intersessional meeting in Rejkyavik. However although all
> issues
> > >>>> seemed to be solved we did not yet formally finalize it. It"s now
> the
> > >>>> right time to catch up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Attached are 1. the last NCSG suggestion from your email from 07 Nov
> > >>>> 2017, 2. a version with the language cleaned up a bit (no intention
> to
> > >>>> modify the substance!), and 3. a comparison of the two. We"d
> > >>>> appreciate the NCSG reviewing this text and commenting asap in order
> > >>>> to get it adopted by the house before the election takes place.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks and regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wolf-Ulrich
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Thu Sep  7 23:27:23 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 23:27:23 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the
	GAC
Message-ID: <20170907202723.v5k57juxa5sf6llm@tarvainen.info>

Dear PC,

We got another applicant for the GNSO Liaison position:

----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> -----

Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair)

I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO
Liaison to the GAC.  My current SOI is here:
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI 

My completed application template follows:

APPLICATION TEMPLATE

Name                              Paul Rosenzweig
Affiliation                       The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch
Consulting -- part of the NCSG

Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
development processes:  		Since 2014, I have been an active
member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms
related to the ICANN transition.  As such I have participated in the full
gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that
context.  Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal
issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review
Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues.  I have been,
and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems
to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy.   

Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
leadership capacity:  	I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in
the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.  This is the first instance in
which I have volunteered for such a position. 

Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC
engagement in GNSO policy development:  		As part of my work
with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for
engaging in GNSO policy development.  I suspect that few in the GNSO have
paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its
definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence
ICANN policy.  Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the
particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was
skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice.  I remain of the view that GAC
engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through
extra-procedural fiat.  By way of example, 
I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally
improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had  not
alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier.  [And, though neutrality is a
hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims
that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply
unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the
GNSO].

Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications
for this position:  		It is perhaps of relevance that I have a
history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding
of the role of governments.  In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as
the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department
of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic
contexts.  I attach a full resume for your consideration.

I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the
NCSG might have.

Regards
Paul 

Paul Rosenzweig
Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
509 C St. NE
Washington, DC 20002
paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
O: +1 (202) 547-0660
M: +1 (202) 329-9650
VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
www.redbranchconsulting.com
www.paulrosenzweigesq.com 
My PGP Key:
https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684




----- End forwarded message -----


From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 02:11:51 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:11:51 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <20170907202723.v5k57juxa5sf6llm@tarvainen.info>
References: <20170907202723.v5k57juxa5sf6llm@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk_67qx8Eug+M2k0kL1-UDGd68mcaP_uRBrFgebVputNA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tapani,

Thanks, it seems the attachment (resume) is missing in your email.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-08 5:27 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:

> Dear PC,
>
> We got another applicant for the GNSO Liaison position:
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@
> redbranchconsulting.com> -----
>
> Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair)
>
> I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC.  My current SOI is here:
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>
> My completed application template follows:
>
> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
>
> Name                              Paul Rosenzweig
> Affiliation                       The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch
> Consulting -- part of the NCSG
>
> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
> development processes:                  Since 2014, I have been an active
> member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> mechanisms
> related to the ICANN transition.  As such I have participated in the full
> gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that
> context.  Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal
> issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent
> Review
> Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues.  I have been,
> and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC
> seems
> to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy.
>
> Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
> leadership capacity:    I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in
> the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.  This is the first instance in
> which I have volunteered for such a position.
>
> Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC
> engagement in GNSO policy development:                  As part of my work
> with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for
> engaging in GNSO policy development.  I suspect that few in the GNSO have
> paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its
> definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence
> ICANN policy.  Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the
> particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I
> was
> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
> ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice.  I remain of the view that GAC
> engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not
> through
> extra-procedural fiat.  By way of example,
> I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
> regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally
> improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had  not
> alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier.  [And, though neutrality is a
> hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims
> that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply
> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the
> GNSO].
>
> Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications
> for this position:              It is perhaps of relevance that I have a
> history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding
> of the role of governments.  In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as
> the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department
> of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic
> contexts.  I attach a full resume for your consideration.
>
> I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of
> the
> NCSG might have.
>
> Regards
> Paul
>
> Paul Rosenzweig
> Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
> 509 C St. NE
> Washington, DC 20002
> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> www.redbranchconsulting.com
> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> My PGP Key:
> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>
>
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Sep  8 03:29:25 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 20:29:25 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20
 September 2017 Council call
In-Reply-To: <A416941AD213C9428D623560432AFBB651ECE348@stntexmb12.cis.neustar.com>
References: <A416941AD213C9428D623560432AFBB651ECE348@stntexmb12.cis.neustar.com>
Message-ID: <48a8353e-a3d0-5fb5-904b-b03c73c82991@mail.utoronto.ca>

This looks important folks.? ALso requires some homework catching up 
prior to the briefing.

cheers Steph



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20 September 2017 
Council call
Date: 	Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:57:17 +0000
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Reply-To: 	Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
CC: 	'craig at ftld.com' <craig at ftld.com>, heather at ftld.com <heather at ftld.com>



Dear Councilors

Over the past six months or so a number of community gTLD registry 
operators have been developing a Draft Community gTLD Change Request 
Process. This has been done under the guidance of GDD staff and in 
consultation with the RySG. Attached is a copy of the draft process for 
information.

Craig Schwartz from fTLD Registry, and who has been leading this effort, 
has requested an opportunity to brief the Council on the process and 
this will be done during the 20 September 2017, Council call.

*Background*

In September 2016, fTLD submitted a request to ICANN to amend 
Specification 12 of our Registry Agreements for .BANK and .INSURANCE to 
add another class of regulated entities to our respective Registrant 
Eligibility Policies. fTLD submitted the request after following our 
Policy Development Process Policy available at 
https://www.ftld.com/policies/ and with approval from our Advisory 
Council and Board of Directors, which are both comprised solely of 
banks, insurance companies and financial services trade associations. 
ICANN denied the request in September 2016, stating in part that they 
are ?not currently in a position to approve requests to amend community 
restrictions in Specification 12 of the New gTLD Registry Agreement.?

In follow-up discussions with ICANN GDD and Legal staff, fTLD was told 
that ICANN could not consider the requested changes because there was no 
community-developed/supported process to enable them to do so. There was 
a procedure discussed in the New gTLD Program Explanatory Memorandum 
Discussion Draft: Community gTLD change request handling, but because it 
had not been approved nor was it included in the Applicant Guidebook, 
ICANN could not use this as the basis for considering our request. As a 
result, ICANN asked fTLD if we would help lead the way in creating a 
Community gTLD Change Request process. fTLD agreed to undertake this 
effort and formed a working group comprised of fTLD and several 
community-based Registry Operators and New gTLD Applicants to develop a 
draft Community gTLD Change Request process.

The working group also sought input from the RySG on various iterations 
of the proposal and the current draft incorporates the feedback provided 
as a result of this exercise.

The working group has also been working closely with ICANN?s GDD team.

Thanks

Donna

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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 03:37:20 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:37:20 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20
 September 2017 Council call
In-Reply-To: <48a8353e-a3d0-5fb5-904b-b03c73c82991@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <A416941AD213C9428D623560432AFBB651ECE348@stntexmb12.cis.neustar.com>
 <48a8353e-a3d0-5fb5-904b-b03c73c82991@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=VoW+Npe6aiOv_t5AxWx5MvMwQAx7o4u=+NEzYcJCRcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am trying to understand the process described in the email: so the
purpose of the working group is to make a proposal for changing  (or adding
to) the implementation by the AGB on how to handle community gTLD change
request. I am kind of surprised that ICANN (staff in GDD or the board) to
ask the requestors to lead the effort and going through an ad-hoc process.
I am also wondering if the gTLD subpro WG reviewed anything linked to that
for the community-based gTLD.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-08 9:29 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:

> This looks important folks.  ALso requires some homework catching up prior
> to the briefing.
>
> cheers Steph
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20 September 2017
> Council call
> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:57:17 +0000
> From: Austin, Donna via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Reply-To: Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> <council at gnso.icann.org>
> CC: 'craig at ftld.com' <craig at ftld.com> <craig at ftld.com>, heather at ftld.com
> <heather at ftld.com> <heather at ftld.com>
>
>
> Dear Councilors
>
>
>
> Over the past six months or so a number of community gTLD registry
> operators have been developing a Draft Community gTLD Change Request
> Process. This has been done under the guidance of GDD staff and in
> consultation with the RySG. Attached is a copy of the draft process for
> information.
>
>
>
> Craig Schwartz from fTLD Registry, and who has been leading this effort,
> has requested an opportunity to brief the Council on the process and this
> will be done during the 20 September 2017, Council call.
>
>
>
> *Background*
>
>
>
> In September 2016, fTLD submitted a request to ICANN to amend
> Specification 12 of our Registry Agreements for .BANK and .INSURANCE to add
> another class of regulated entities to our respective Registrant
> Eligibility Policies. fTLD submitted the request after following our Policy
> Development Process Policy available at https://www.ftld.com/policies/ and
> with approval from our Advisory Council and Board of Directors, which are
> both comprised solely of banks, insurance companies and financial services
> trade associations. ICANN denied the request in September 2016, stating in
> part that they are ?not currently in a position to approve requests to
> amend community restrictions in Specification 12 of the New gTLD Registry
> Agreement.?
>
>
>
> In follow-up discussions with ICANN GDD and Legal staff, fTLD was told
> that ICANN could not consider the requested changes because there was no
> community-developed/supported process to enable them to do so. There was a
> procedure discussed in the New gTLD Program Explanatory Memorandum
> Discussion Draft: Community gTLD change request handling, but because it
> had not been approved nor was it included in the Applicant Guidebook, ICANN
> could not use this as the basis for considering our request. As a result,
> ICANN asked fTLD if we would help lead the way in creating a Community gTLD
> Change Request process. fTLD agreed to undertake this effort and formed a
> working group comprised of fTLD and several community-based Registry
> Operators and New gTLD Applicants to develop a draft Community gTLD Change
> Request process.
>
>
>
> The working group also sought input from the RySG on various iterations of
> the proposal and the current draft incorporates the feedback provided as a
> result of this exercise.
>
>
>
> The working group has also been working closely with ICANN?s GDD team.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Donna
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Sep  8 04:20:09 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 21:20:09 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20
 September 2017 Council call
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=VoW+Npe6aiOv_t5AxWx5MvMwQAx7o4u=+NEzYcJCRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A416941AD213C9428D623560432AFBB651ECE348@stntexmb12.cis.neustar.com>
 <48a8353e-a3d0-5fb5-904b-b03c73c82991@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CAH5sTh=VoW+Npe6aiOv_t5AxWx5MvMwQAx7o4u=+NEzYcJCRcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <560e8001-c003-470c-f392-416c5d00eff9@mail.utoronto.ca>

I was scratching my head over this one too.? I sent it to Jeremy and 
Kathy, figuring they might be interested.? How do you add new members to 
a community. when the requestors are the ones figuring out the process?? 
Seems a bit fishy.? How is this not scope creep?? But I know so little 
about the community gTLDs, will have to brush up on this stuff before 
the next council meeting

SP


On 2017-09-07 20:37, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to understand the process described in the email: so the 
> purpose of the working group is to make a proposal for changing ?(or 
> adding to) the implementation by the AGB on how to handle community 
> gTLD change request. I am kind of surprised that ICANN (staff in GDD 
> or the board) to ask the requestors to lead the effort and going 
> through an ad-hoc process.
> I am also wondering if the gTLD subpro?WG reviewed anything linked to 
> that for the community-based gTLD.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-08 9:29 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>
>     This looks important folks.? ALso requires some homework catching
>     up prior to the briefing.
>
>     cheers Steph
>
>
>
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: 	[council] Agenda Item for discussion during 20 September
>     2017 Council call
>     Date: 	Thu, 7 Sep 2017 22:57:17 +0000
>     From: 	Austin, Donna via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>     <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>     Reply-To: 	Austin, Donna <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>     <mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>     To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>     <council at gnso.icann.org> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>     CC: 	'craig at ftld.com <mailto:craig at ftld.com>' <craig at ftld.com>
>     <mailto:craig at ftld.com>, heather at ftld.com
>     <mailto:heather at ftld.com> <heather at ftld.com>
>     <mailto:heather at ftld.com>
>
>
>
>     Dear Councilors
>
>     Over the past six months or so a number of community gTLD registry
>     operators have been developing a Draft Community gTLD Change
>     Request Process. This has been done under the guidance of GDD
>     staff and in consultation with the RySG. Attached is a copy of the
>     draft process for information.
>
>     Craig Schwartz from fTLD Registry, and who has been leading this
>     effort, has requested an opportunity to brief the Council on the
>     process and this will be done during the 20 September 2017,
>     Council call.
>
>     *Background*
>
>     In September 2016, fTLD submitted a request to ICANN to amend
>     Specification 12 of our Registry Agreements for .BANK and
>     .INSURANCE to add another class of regulated entities to our
>     respective Registrant Eligibility Policies. fTLD submitted the
>     request after following our Policy Development Process Policy
>     available at https://www.ftld.com/policies/ and with approval from
>     our Advisory Council and Board of Directors, which are both
>     comprised solely of banks, insurance companies and financial
>     services trade associations. ICANN denied the request in September
>     2016, stating in part that they are ?not currently in a position
>     to approve requests to amend community restrictions in
>     Specification 12 of the New gTLD Registry Agreement.?
>
>     In follow-up discussions with ICANN GDD and Legal staff, fTLD was
>     told that ICANN could not consider the requested changes because
>     there was no community-developed/supported process to enable them
>     to do so. There was a procedure discussed in the New gTLD Program
>     Explanatory Memorandum Discussion Draft: Community gTLD change
>     request handling, but because it had not been approved nor was it
>     included in the Applicant Guidebook, ICANN could not use this as
>     the basis for considering our request. As a result, ICANN asked
>     fTLD if we would help lead the way in creating a Community gTLD
>     Change Request process. fTLD agreed to undertake this effort and
>     formed a working group comprised of fTLD and several
>     community-based Registry Operators and New gTLD Applicants to
>     develop a draft Community gTLD Change Request process.
>
>     The working group also sought input from the RySG on various
>     iterations of the proposal and the current draft incorporates the
>     feedback provided as a result of this exercise.
>
>     The working group has also been working closely with ICANN?s GDD team.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Donna
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Fri Sep  8 08:15:30 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 08:15:30 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the
	GAC
Message-ID: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>

Re-sending with the attachment.

Tapani

----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> -----

Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair)

I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO
Liaison to the GAC.  My current SOI is here:
https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI 

My completed application template follows:

APPLICATION TEMPLATE

Name                              Paul Rosenzweig
Affiliation                       The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch
Consulting -- part of the NCSG

Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
development processes:  		Since 2014, I have been an active
member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms
related to the ICANN transition.  As such I have participated in the full
gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that
context.  Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal
issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review
Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues.  I have been,
and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems
to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy.   

Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
leadership capacity:  	I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in
the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.  This is the first instance in
which I have volunteered for such a position. 

Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC
engagement in GNSO policy development:  		As part of my work
with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for
engaging in GNSO policy development.  I suspect that few in the GNSO have
paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its
definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence
ICANN policy.  Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the
particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was
skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice.  I remain of the view that GAC
engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through
extra-procedural fiat.  By way of example, 
I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally
improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had  not
alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier.  [And, though neutrality is a
hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims
that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply
unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the
GNSO].

Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications
for this position:  		It is perhaps of relevance that I have a
history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding
of the role of governments.  In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as
the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department
of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic
contexts.  I attach a full resume for your consideration.

I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the
NCSG might have.

Regards
Paul 

Paul Rosenzweig
Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
509 C St. NE
Washington, DC 20002
paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
O: +1 (202) 547-0660
M: +1 (202) 329-9650
VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
www.redbranchconsulting.com
www.paulrosenzweigesq.com 
My PGP Key:
https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684



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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 10:41:47 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 09:41:47 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
In-Reply-To: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <5FAC9536-2452-4C1D-AB86-2F4396484102@gmail.com>

So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here?

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> 
> Re-sending with the attachment.
> 
> Tapani
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> -----
> 
> Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair)
> 
> I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO
> Liaison to the GAC.  My current SOI is here:
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI 
> 
> My completed application template follows:
> 
> APPLICATION TEMPLATE
> 
> Name                              Paul Rosenzweig
> Affiliation                       The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch
> Consulting -- part of the NCSG
> 
> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
> development processes:          Since 2014, I have been an active
> member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms
> related to the ICANN transition.  As such I have participated in the full
> gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that
> context.  Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal
> issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review
> Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues.  I have been,
> and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems
> to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy.   
> 
> Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
> leadership capacity:      I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in
> the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.  This is the first instance in
> which I have volunteered for such a position. 
> 
> Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC
> engagement in GNSO policy development:          As part of my work
> with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for
> engaging in GNSO policy development.  I suspect that few in the GNSO have
> paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its
> definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence
> ICANN policy.  Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the
> particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was
> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
> ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice.  I remain of the view that GAC
> engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through
> extra-procedural fiat.  By way of example, 
> I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
> regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally
> improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had  not
> alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier.  [And, though neutrality is a
> hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims
> that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply
> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the
> GNSO].
> 
> Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications
> for this position:          It is perhaps of relevance that I have a
> history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding
> of the role of governments.  In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as
> the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department
> of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic
> contexts.  I attach a full resume for your consideration.
> 
> I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the
> NCSG might have.
> 
> Regards
> Paul 
> 
> Paul Rosenzweig
> Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
> 509 C St. NE
> Washington, DC 20002
> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> O: +1 (202) 547-0660
> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> www.redbranchconsulting.com
> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com 
> My PGP Key:
> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
> 
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> <PSResq Resume 2017.pdf>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Sep  8 10:50:03 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:50:03 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
In-Reply-To: <5FAC9536-2452-4C1D-AB86-2F4396484102@gmail.com>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <5FAC9536-2452-4C1D-AB86-2F4396484102@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <lC5bKisilyulRPONC0m5y1SEpxzDEYnyeeWdesLPCe_GfSgqNuvdVwfxNwqejzaBQWIBNTXhruqwAYxqeA1qpVl71cEsWbKu3UWLNFNo6N0=@ferdeline.com>

Hi,

I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.

Best wishes,

Ayden F?rdeline
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On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:

> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 > www.redbranchconsulting.com > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- >  > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc @redbranchconsulting.com> @tapani.tarvainen.info>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 11:24:24 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 17:24:24 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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hi Ayden,

yes, we are only reviewing to endorse or not the candidates. the selection
will be done by the GNSO Selection Standing Committee.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their
> candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
> selecting the liaison.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden F?rdeline
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
> posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243
> 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at
> 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > >
> Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that
> you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current
> SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+
> Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > >
> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
> Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide
> an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both
> WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN
> transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related
> GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given
> my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz,
> ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process,
> and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems >
> to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. >
> > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
> > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in >
> the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in >
> which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your
> familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy
> development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately
> familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I
> suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have
> to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the
> ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the
> changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the
> ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods
> for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in
> GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished
> through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through >
> extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view
> that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed
> that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue
> earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I
> should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
> antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please
> provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
> service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the
> role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
> Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
> Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
> contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
> happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG
> might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting,
> PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig@
> redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1
> (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/
> pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded
> message ----- > > _______________________________________________ >
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 15:28:40 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 21:28:40 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <lC5bKisilyulRPONC0m5y1SEpxzDEYnyeeWdesLPCe_GfSgqNuvdVwfxNwqejzaBQWIBNTXhruqwAYxqeA1qpVl71cEsWbKu3UWLNFNo6N0=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi,

due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse
both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can
submit them just before 23:59UTC.
looking to hear from other PC members.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their
> candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
> selecting the liaison.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden F?rdeline
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
> posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243
> 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at
> 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > >
> Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that
> you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current
> SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+
> Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > >
> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
> Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide
> an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both
> WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN
> transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related
> GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given
> my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz,
> ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process,
> and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems >
> to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. >
> > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
> > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in >
> the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in >
> which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your
> familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy
> development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately
> familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I
> suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have
> to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the
> ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the
> changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the
> ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods
> for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in
> GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished
> through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through >
> extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view
> that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed
> that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue
> earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I
> should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
> antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please
> provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
> service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the
> role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
> Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
> Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
> contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
> happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG
> might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting,
> PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig@
> redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1
> (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/
> pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded
> message ----- > > _______________________________________________ >
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 15:37:12 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 14:37:12 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
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I am okay with that.

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> looking to hear from other PC members.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Ayden F?rdeline 
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 > www.redbranchconsulting.com > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From matthew at intpolicy.com  Fri Sep  8 15:39:27 2017
From: matthew at intpolicy.com (Matthew Shears)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:39:27 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Agree Rafik.


On 08/09/2017 13:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can 
> endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no 
> objection,?I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> looking to hear from other PC members.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support
>     their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility
>     as PC of selecting the liaison.
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Ayden F?rdeline
>     Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
>     On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>     <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we
>>     just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali,
>>     about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243
>>     993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma,
>>     Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) >
>>     On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>     Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded
>>     message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh
>>     as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider
>>     endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI
>>     is here: >
>>     https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>     <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>     > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION
>>     TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
>>     Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please
>>     provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
>>     > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active >
>>     member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>     mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have
>>     participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy
>>     issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal
>>     background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz,
>>     ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review >
>>     Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I
>>     have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the
>>     influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests
>>     that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>     overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>     leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to
>>     serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the
>>     first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position.
>>     > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes,
>>     including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of
>>     my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with
>>     GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I
>>     suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention
>>     as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
>>     consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence >
>>     ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of
>>     the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of
>>     the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG
>>     and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering
>>     GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>     policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>     accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and
>>     not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have
>>     been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
>>     > regarding two letter second level top level domains was
>>     procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO
>>     liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue
>>     earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good
>>     liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that
>>     second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>     unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG
>>     and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that
>>     demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is
>>     perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US
>>     government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of
>>     governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
>>     Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>     Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>     international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for
>>     your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further
>>     questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > >
>>     Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
>>     > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>     paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1 (202)
>>     547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>     <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>     <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>     <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>     <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>     https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Fri Sep  8 15:45:07 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:45:07 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnGyWcpvoqrm_Z00B5XeqqzsOBV1LdDNQaWb8BJFfE_wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
 <5FAC9536-2452-4C1D-AB86-2F4396484102@gmail.com>
 <lC5bKisilyulRPONC0m5y1SEpxzDEYnyeeWdesLPCe_GfSgqNuvdVwfxNwqejzaBQWIBNTXhruqwAYxqeA1qpVl71cEsWbKu3UWLNFNo6N0=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi Rafik,

I'm fine with that.

Tapani

On Fri, Sep 08, 2017 at 09:28:40PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse
> both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can
> submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> looking to hear from other PC members.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their
> > candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
> > selecting the liaison.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
> > posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243
> > 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> > Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at
> > 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > >
> > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> > Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that
> > you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current
> > SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+
> > Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > >
> > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
> > Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide
> > an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> > processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both
> > WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN
> > transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related
> > GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given
> > my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz,
> > ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process,
> > and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> > remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems >
> > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. >
> > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
> > > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in >
> > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in >
> > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your
> > familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy
> > development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately
> > familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I
> > suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have
> > to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the
> > ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the
> > changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> > interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the
> > ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods
> > for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in
> > GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished
> > through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through >
> > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view
> > that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> > level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed
> > that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue
> > earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I
> > should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> > two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
> > antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please
> > provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> > this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
> > service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the
> > role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
> > Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
> > Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
> > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
> > happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG
> > might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting,
> > PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig@
> > redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1
> > (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> > <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
> > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/
> > pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded
> > message ----- > > _______________________________________________ >
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Fri Sep  8 19:08:46 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 12:08:46 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Sounds good to me.

Stephanie


On 2017-09-08 08:37, Ars?ne Tungali wrote:
> I am okay with that.
>
> -----------------
> Ars?ne Tungali,
> about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>
> +243 993810967
> GPG: 523644A0
> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>
> Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>
> On Sep 8, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can 
>> endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no 
>> objection,?I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>     support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>>     responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>
>>     Best wishes,
>>
>>     Ayden F?rdeline
>>     Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>>     On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>>     <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we
>>>     just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali,
>>>     about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243
>>>     993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma,
>>>     Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)
>>>     > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>     Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded
>>>     message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh
>>>     as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider
>>>     endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI
>>>     is here: >
>>>     https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>>     <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>>     > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION
>>>     TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
>>>     Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > >
>>>     Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with
>>>     GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an
>>>     active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding
>>>     accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As
>>>     such I have participated in the full > gamut of related
>>>     GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that >
>>>     context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused
>>>     on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the
>>>     new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of
>>>     jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially
>>>     focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to
>>>     reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO
>>>     policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous
>>>     engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not
>>>     had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a
>>>     leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I
>>>     have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your
>>>     familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in
>>>     GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>>     came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging
>>>     in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have
>>>     > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of
>>>     operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which
>>>     it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes
>>>     to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>>     interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical
>>>     of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
>>>     > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the
>>>     view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is
>>>     essential but that it should be > accomplished through
>>>     established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through >
>>>     extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in
>>>     my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding
>>>     two letter second level top level domains was procedurally >
>>>     improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC
>>>     had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>>     neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make
>>>     clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter
>>>     domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
>>>     antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO].
>>>     > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your
>>>     qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance
>>>     that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus
>>>     a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the
>>>     2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant
>>>     Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
>>>     Homeland Security, and thus experience in international
>>>     diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your
>>>     consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further
>>>     questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > >
>>>     Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
>>>     > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>>     paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1 (202)
>>>     547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>>     <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>     <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>     <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>>     <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>>     https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>     <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
>>>     > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Fri Sep  8 21:04:19 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 20:04:19 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
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 <lC5bKisilyulRPONC0m5y1SEpxzDEYnyeeWdesLPCe_GfSgqNuvdVwfxNwqejzaBQWIBNTXhruqwAYxqeA1qpVl71cEsWbKu3UWLNFNo6N0=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi Rafik and all,

I support.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can
> endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no
> objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> looking to hear from other PC members.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support
>     their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility
>     as PC of selecting the liaison. 
>
>     Best wishes,
>
>     Ayden F?rdeline
>     Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
>     On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>     <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>     So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we
>>     just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali,
>>     about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243
>>     993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma,
>>     Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) >
>>     On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>     Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded
>>     message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh
>>     as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider
>>     endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI
>>     is here: >
>>     https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>     <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>     > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION
>>     TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage
>>     Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please
>>     provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
>>     > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active >
>>     member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>     mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have
>>     participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy
>>     issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal
>>     background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz,
>>     ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review >
>>     Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I
>>     have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the
>>     influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests
>>     that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>     overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>     leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to
>>     serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the
>>     first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position.
>>     > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes,
>>     including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of
>>     my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with
>>     GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I
>>     suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention
>>     as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
>>     consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence >
>>     ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of
>>     the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of
>>     the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG
>>     and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering
>>     GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>     policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>     accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and
>>     not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have
>>     been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board
>>     > regarding two letter second level top level domains was
>>     procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO
>>     liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue
>>     earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good
>>     liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that
>>     second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>     unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG
>>     and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that
>>     demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is
>>     perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US
>>     government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of
>>     governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
>>     Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>     Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>     international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for
>>     your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further
>>     questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > >
>>     Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC
>>     > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>     paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>     <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1 (202)
>>     547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650
>>     <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>     <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>     <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>     <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>     https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>     <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Sep  8 21:09:26 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 03:09:26 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: GNSO Liaison to the GAC - Endorsement
In-Reply-To: <CAF0-HFmRWy5oJoZTLwfgS3uKvZ2jjnbTXrT6Wt3B8mUbJwkgNw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

We got another request.

Best,


Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Pascal Bekono" <pbekono at gmail.com>
Date: Sep 8, 2017 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: GNSO Liaison to the GAC - Endorsement
To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc:

Hi Rafik,

please find my application for NCSG endorsement,

Thanks,


*APPLICATION: GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC*

*Name*

 Pascal BEKONO

*Affiliation*

 NCUC/NSCG

*Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
development processes*

After attending many ICANN meetings and participating in various
discussions and webinars, I can consider myself and my application to this
position as a new spirit for the position of GNSO liaison to the GAC.
Since 2012, when I attended my first ICANN meeting in Costa Rica, I have
never served in a leadership position within ICANN, but so far I have
participated and contributed in various discussions and processes.  It?s an
important responsibility to serve in that position and I will do the best I
can.

Meanwhile, as a participant to the Working Group GNSO Review, I had the
opportunity to understand and follow the GNSO PDP, and being part of the
reviewers. That experience offers me a good knowledge of GNSO process and
abilities to mediate, liaise, and interact with other parties about the
GNSO processes.

As a matter of fact, I will have the opportunity to learn and I am actually
ready for that. In addition to the above,

-I will have to strength and reinforce the dialogue with GNSO stakeholders
group and counselors;

-I will report GAC?s inputs to the GNSO and follow the implementation;

-I will have to present (to report) in a good and concrete way, GNSO work
to the GAC

-The contribution of GNSO veterans will be an added value to me toward my
learning process and the desire of participation.

*Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a
leadership capacity*

 My engagement in GNSO work rely to my participation NCSG, NCUC activities
and working groups



GNSO Review Working Group, allows me to understand the charter and analyse
implementation of recommendations. This WG is very important and covers the
GNSO core activities.

new gtld subsequent Working Group, enable me to contribute and understand
the

participation to the NCUC discussions and outreach activities

*Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC
engagement in GNSO policy development*

 The Government Advisory Committee is a formal body, made of government
representatives, provides advice to ICANN on public policy aspects of
ICANN?s responsibilities. There is joint effort between the GAC and the
gNSO to investigate ways of engaging the GAC in GNSO policy development
activities. These meetings came out with recommendations.

If I am selected to the position of GNSO liaison to the GAC, I will start
by:

analysing ongoing activities between GAC and GNSO (with the support of the
GNSO secretariat);

follow up current implementations

providing a report to the GNSO council, and the secretariat

*Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications
for this position.*

I am a computer engineer, ICANN fellow, EuroSSIG Fellow, Commonwealth IGF
fellow, Carnegie Mellon University fellow, ISOC tutor training.

I have worked as Consultant with the German Cooperation in Cameroon and
with TakingITGlobal Organisation, a youth led organisation based in Canada.
I am actually working as Computer Engineer in the Ministry of Justice. My
background offers me the ability to interact with various actors.

I am ready and able to commit time, energy and resources to be effective in
supporting the work GNSO liaison to the GAC.

I believe that many people can testify that I can make things happen. I
have followed ICANN activities, I realize the level of commitment that this
volunteering position requires. I don?t have a conflict of interest with
this position.
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 00:29:59 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:29:59 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: GNSO Liaison to the GAC - Endorsement
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Hi Rafik,

Thanks for alerting us on this new applicant. Good to know many people are willing to consider this volunteering job, after reading all that it entails in terms of committment and responsabilities. 

Is there a limited number of people we can endorse? We now have 3 on the list and i am still okay with us sending the 3 names.

Arsene

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We got another request.
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Pascal Bekono" <pbekono at gmail.com>
> Date: Sep 8, 2017 10:52 PM
> Subject: Re: GNSO Liaison to the GAC - Endorsement
> To: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Cc: 
> 
> Hi Rafik, 
> 
> please find my application for NCSG endorsement,
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> APPLICATION: GNSO LIAISON TO THE GAC
> 
> Name
> 
>  Pascal BEKONO
> 
> Affiliation
> 
>  NCUC/NSCG
> 
> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy development processes
> 
> After attending many ICANN meetings and participating in various discussions and webinars, I can consider myself and my application to this position as a new spirit for the position of GNSO liaison to the GAC.  Since 2012, when I attended my first ICANN meeting in Costa Rica, I have never served in a leadership position within ICANN, but so far I have participated and contributed in various discussions and processes.  It?s an important responsibility to serve in that position and I will do the best I can.
> 
> Meanwhile, as a participant to the Working Group GNSO Review, I had the opportunity to understand and follow the GNSO PDP, and being part of the reviewers. That experience offers me a good knowledge of GNSO process and abilities to mediate, liaise, and interact with other parties about the GNSO processes.
> 
> As a matter of fact, I will have the opportunity to learn and I am actually ready for that. In addition to the above,
> 
> -I will have to strength and reinforce the dialogue with GNSO stakeholders group and counselors;
> 
> -I will report GAC?s inputs to the GNSO and follow the implementation;
> 
> -I will have to present (to report) in a good and concrete way, GNSO work to the GAC
> 
> -The contribution of GNSO veterans will be an added value to me toward my learning process and the desire of participation.
> 
> Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a leadership capacity
> 
>  My engagement in GNSO work rely to my participation NCSG, NCUC activities and working groups
> 
>  
> 
> GNSO Review Working Group, allows me to understand the charter and analyse implementation of recommendations. This WG is very important and covers the GNSO core activities.
> 
> new gtld subsequent Working Group, enable me to contribute and understand the
> 
> participation to the NCUC discussions and outreach activities
> 
> Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC engagement in GNSO policy development
> 
>  The Government Advisory Committee is a formal body, made of government representatives, provides advice to ICANN on public policy aspects of ICANN?s responsibilities. There is joint effort between the GAC and the gNSO to investigate ways of engaging the GAC in GNSO policy development activities. These meetings came out with recommendations.
> 
> If I am selected to the position of GNSO liaison to the GAC, I will start by:
> 
> analysing ongoing activities between GAC and GNSO (with the support of the GNSO secretariat);
> 
> follow up current implementations
> 
> providing a report to the GNSO council, and the secretariat
> 
> Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications for this position.
> 
> I am a computer engineer, ICANN fellow, EuroSSIG Fellow, Commonwealth IGF fellow, Carnegie Mellon University fellow, ISOC tutor training.
> 
> I have worked as Consultant with the German Cooperation in Cameroon and with TakingITGlobal Organisation, a youth led organisation based in Canada. I am actually working as Computer Engineer in the Ministry of Justice. My background offers me the ability to interact with various actors.
> 
> I am ready and able to commit time, energy and resources to be effective in supporting the work GNSO liaison to the GAC.
> 
> I believe that many people can testify that I can make things happen. I have followed ICANN activities, I realize the level of commitment that this volunteering position requires. I don?t have a conflict of interest with this position.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 01:17:19 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 19:17:19 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Ok, now we have a third one, but I was also supporting the previous idea of Rafik, are we still supporting the three or just keeping the two that submitted promptly?

Cheers,
Mart?n 

> On Sep 8, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rafik and all,
> 
> I support.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya 
> 
> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Ayden F?rdeline 
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI> > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com/> > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com/> > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc> _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 01:18:28 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 07:18:28 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
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Hi,

Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has time to
review it.
there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many names
will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC deliberation since
as Stakeholder group we are not championing clearly for one. that won't
make NCSG representatives to SSC easier either give them a clear guidance
from their group.

for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if other
PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application in coming
hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:

> Hi Rafik and all,
>
> I support.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse
> both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can
> submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> looking to hear from other PC members.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their
>> candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
>> selecting the liaison.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden F?rdeline
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
>> posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243
>> 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at
>> 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > >
>> Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that
>> you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current
>> SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/di
>> splay/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template
>> follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > >
>> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy >
>> development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the
>> CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to
>> the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of
>> related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues --
>> viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review >
>> Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been,
>> > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC
>> seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO
>> policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO
>> work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to
>> serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first
>> instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please
>> describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in
>> GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be
>> intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy
>> development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much
>> attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN
>> policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular
>> focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
>> > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC
>> > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
>> > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not
>> through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in
>> my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter
>> second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also
>> disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to
>> this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good
>> liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second
>> level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
>> antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please
>> provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
>> service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the
>> role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
>> Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
>> Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
>> contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
>> happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG
>> might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting,
>> PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>> <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1
>> (202) 738-1739 <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Sep  9 07:22:53 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 00:22:53 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
In-Reply-To: <CAJjzonFJX0ru-3MxBiK8AZ4Q+w=iy-W28tPa7i3roZa-8Et=zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJjzonFJX0ru-3MxBiK8AZ4Q+w=iy-W28tPa7i3roZa-8Et=zA@mail.gmail.com>
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Uh....did I miss us doing this?? WHo have we nominated??

cheers steph



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
Date: 	Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
From: 	Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>
To: 	council at gnso.icann.org



Hello All,

The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for the 
ATRT3 nominations.

We are continuing our deliberations but will have the recommended 
nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next week.

Best regards,

Susan Kawaguchi
Chair - SSC
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 07:32:07 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:32:07 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
	nominations
In-Reply-To: <4170e0c9-d403-559e-ee18-6f202802b8bb@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <CAJjzonFJX0ru-3MxBiK8AZ4Q+w=iy-W28tPa7i3roZa-8Et=zA@mail.gmail.com>
 <4170e0c9-d403-559e-ee18-6f202802b8bb@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=qA9XTes7PqDTbDP2GiO_PdN9tZa74OxGjbRpn1MU7WQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There was no nomination , candidates applied directly.

Best,

Rafik


On Sep 9, 2017 1:23 PM, "Stephanie Perrin" <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

Uh....did I miss us doing this?  WHo have we nominated??

cheers steph


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
From: Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com> <susankpolicy at gmail.com>
To: council at gnso.icann.org

Hello All,

The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for the ATRT3
nominations.

We are continuing our deliberations but will have the recommended
nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next week.

Best regards,

Susan Kawaguchi
Chair - SSC

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Sep  9 07:38:07 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 00:38:07 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
	nominations
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=qA9XTes7PqDTbDP2GiO_PdN9tZa74OxGjbRpn1MU7WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJjzonFJX0ru-3MxBiK8AZ4Q+w=iy-W28tPa7i3roZa-8Et=zA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <fa396f2c-3600-22c9-9914-5af6fb89e652@mail.utoronto.ca>

Phew....


On 2017-09-09 00:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There was no nomination , candidates applied directly.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2017 1:23 PM, "Stephanie Perrin" 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>
>     Uh....did I miss us doing this?? WHo have we nominated??
>
>     cheers steph
>
>
>
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject: 	[council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
>     Date: 	Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
>     From: 	Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:susankpolicy at gmail.com>
>     To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>
>
>
>     Hello All,
>
>     The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for
>     the ATRT3 nominations.
>
>     We are continuing our deliberations but will have the recommended
>     nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next week.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Susan Kawaguchi
>     Chair - SSC
>
>     _______________________________________________
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 09:29:40 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:29:40 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=mvaurxj2FAZh009bW37UEd3Ckva-rPo18TqDVxwqzGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
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Message-ID: <5E314182-802C-4532-85B3-F1BDBD681C41@gmail.com>

My take is sending the 3 names because they all applied within the set deadline, hence they deserve the same chance to be treated fairly.

I encourage everyone to review the nomination from Pascal and have their say. Sending 2, then another one doesn't look good for me and this will weaken the chances for the 3rd candidate to be considered by the ssc.

Thanks,
Arsene

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has time to review it.
> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing clearly for one. that won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> 
> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:
>> Hi Rafik and all,
>> 
>> I support.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Tanya 
>> 
>>> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> 
>>>> Ayden F?rdeline 
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant Secretary for                   International Affairs at the Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660 > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 > www.redbranchconsulting.com > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 10:02:44 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 16:02:44 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bcouncil=5D_FW=3A_Notes_and_action_i?=
	=?utf-8?q?tems_from_meeting_between_G=C3=B6ran_and_GNSO_Council_Le?=
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThk8CdBc-1x235aXEoXYAVkpn6Tcd+Wu63HEG_xFJbQLjA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

that was shared by GNSO leadership team this week and I note that several
topics were discussed with ICANN CEO.

- Hubba Bubba project which is about the process flow documentation
- about budget and mention that ICANN is looking at auction proceeds as a
possible source, or increasing fees which impact indirectly the registrants
- about ICANN meeting changes. something we should discuss. I personally
have some positions on that
- more important about GDPR update and ICANN org discussion with DPA, where
it seems contracted party asking to be involved. are our reps in
GDPR taskforce aware about that?

"

   - *GDPR* ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling
   different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in
   the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal
   data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings
   taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a
   reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ?
   October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of
   possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized
   important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on
   the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the
   system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know
   the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the
   discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done
   differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision
   needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any
   hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for
   any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry
   associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the
   more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard.
   Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any
   suggestions are welcome.



*Action item #3*: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives
in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.
"

we can compile some questions here and share those notes with wider
membership later.

Best,


Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------



Councilors ?



Last week, the Council Chairs (Donna, Heather and I) met with G?ran for our
regular discussion with the CEO.  Notes & action items are captured below.
Please be aware that these are relatively informal discussions, and the
notes below are being circulated ?as-is?, and may be missing some detail.



Thank you,



J.





*From: *Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
*Date: *Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 22:29

*Subject: *Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO
Council Leadership Team



All,



As requested, please find below some high-level notes from today?s
discussions as well as action items. I hope this provides an accurate
reflection of your conversation today.



Best regards,



Marika



*High level notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO
Council Leadership Team (James Bladel, Heather Forrest, Donna Austin) on
Wednesday 30 August 2017*



   - *Hubba Bubba *? before Abu Dhabi web-site and manual will be
   published. Now for the community to take this project and decide what to do
   next.



   - *Long term financial planning process* ? Executive team have started
   talking more about the mechanics. James observes contraction in the
   industry ? needs to be factored into revenue projections. How to have
   discussion with community on how to prioritize. For example, currently 14
   million $ is spent on meetings. Growth in domain name registrations is
   contracting, smaller registries / registrars are suffering from high fees.
   May result in some looking at some of the other sources available like
   auction proceeds or requesting increase in fees to keep up current
   spending. Executive team to discuss with the Board mechanics of budget and
   prioritization and then take it to the community.



   - *SO/AC Chairs Workshop at ICANN60* - How to prioritize the work that
   is front of us? What is important for GNSO may not be important for ALAC.
   Proposal to re-establish meeting between SO/AC Chairs and G?ran ? sharing
   information, not a decision-making mechanism. Invitation and ?charter? for
   that meeting will go out shortly for meeting to take place on Friday prior
   to ICANN60. Board members also expected to participate in this meeting.



   - *Meetings going forward* ? update on current discussions provided.
   David and his team are working on a paper that reflects what can be done
   about the existing meeting structure, but only focused on low hanging
   fruits e.g. moving days between meetings. Staff will not open up the
   recommendations of the meetings strategy, unless SO/ACs ask for it, for
   example idea of having two policy meetings and one AGM. GNSO Leadership to
   consider adding it to the agenda for upcoming Council meeting to discuss
   input as well as possible next steps.



*Action item* *#1*: David to share paper on improvements to ICANN meetings
with GNSO leadership team when available.

*Action item* *#2*: GNSO leadership team to consider adding the topic of
meetings and possible modifications to the agenda for one of the upcoming
Council meetings to discuss input as well as possible next steps.



   - *GDPR* ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling
   different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in
   the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal
   data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings
   taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a
   reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ?
   October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of
   possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized
   important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on
   the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the
   system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know
   the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the
   discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done
   differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision
   needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any
   hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for
   any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry
   associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the
   more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard.
   Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any
   suggestions are welcome.



*Action item #3*: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives
in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.



   - *Role of the GAC and involvement in PDP discussions* ? possible
   collision coming up in relation to IGO/INGO Curative Rights. PDP is about
   to finalize its recommendations that are expected to be in contradiction
   with GAC Advice. Leadership team hereby providing a heads-up. Important for
   ICANN Org to encourage dialogue and championing the process, not a
   particular outcome. Need to improve information flow across SO/ACs. How can
   ICANN Org help inform others of discussions that are ongoing and appreciate
   context? Will not solve all the problems, but may facilitate mutual
   understanding. Make sure to support the process instead and avoid
   short-cuts. The Board seems to understand well the position of the
   GAC/governments, is there a need for additional information to Board
   members on the GNSO position and how these have been arrived to. PDP WG
   will organize a 90-minute session at ICANN60 to brief the community on its
   Final Recommendations as well as rationale for those recommendations -
   would be really helpful to have Board members to attend this session to
   understand the context and the rationale for the recommendations.  Also
   need Board to support the integrity of the process. Also consider briefing
   newer Board members on the status of ongoing PDPs so that they are informed
   about the deliberations as well as potential contentious issues. More and
   more legislation at national / local level that has a direct impact on
   ICANN.



*Action item* *#4*: Marika to share timing of presentation of Final Report
on Curative Rights for IGO/INGOs at ICANN60 so that Board members can be
invited to this session. (Note this session is currently scheduled for
Wednesday 1st November 2017 from 17:00 ? 18:30 local time).



*Action item #5*: G?ran to work with Board Support to see how to work this
session into the Board Schedule.



   - *Board meetings & schedule* ? there is little information currently
   available with regards to the Board meeting schedule as well as agenda?s
   for Board workshops. Would it be possible to ensure that this information
   gets posted in a timely manner? Project underway to improve this.



*Action item #6*: ICANN Org to check where this information can be found
and/or encourage the Board the publish this information in a timely manner
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From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 06:27:17 -0400
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Thanks very much, Rafik. I really appreciate this update on GDPR. There was a lot of new information in there for me. Sadly there seems to be an information asymmetry on the internal task force, with some stakeholders being kept very well informed, and some people (like myself) conveniently receiving no updates. Maybe if we used a proper, archived mailing list Staff would stop forgetting to cc me in. I think the comment, "nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security" is very telling and disturbing. "Stability and security" is not a valid processing condition. I have seen the CSG's letter - because it was shared off-list, not by ICANN Staff - and we should probably issue a rebuttal. Though a part of me thinks we should see how ICANN the organisation responds first.

On meeting changes, what do you mean by this? I think we need to seriously consider whether the current meeting framework is fit for purpose -- I have some concerns about the condensed nature of the Policy Forum. It didn't work in Helsinki, and it didn't work in Joburg, and this is the feedback I have heard from an array of stakeholders.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FW: Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 8:02 AM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 07:02
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi,
>
> that was shared by GNSO leadership team this week and I note that several topics were discussed with ICANN CEO.
>
> - Hubba Bubba project which is about the process flow documentation
> - about budget and mention that ICANN is looking at auction proceeds as a possible source, or increasing fees which impact indirectly the registrants
> - about ICANN meeting changes. something we should discuss. I personally have some positions on that
> - more important about GDPR update and ICANN org discussion with DPA, where it seems contracted party asking to be involved. are our reps in GDPR taskforce aware about that?
>
> "
>
> - GDPR ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ? October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard. Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> Action item #3: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.
>
> "
>
> we can compile some questions here and share those notes with wider membership later.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
> Councilors ?
>
> Last week, the Council Chairs (Donna, Heather and I) met with G?ran for our regular discussion with the CEO.  Notes & action items are captured below.  Please be aware that these are relatively informal discussions, and the notes below are being circulated ?as-is?, and may be missing some detail.
>
> Thank you,
>
> J.
>
> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 22:29
>
> Subject: Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
>
> All,
>
> As requested, please find below some high-level notes from today?s discussions as well as action items. I hope this provides an accurate reflection of your conversation today.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> High level notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team (James Bladel, Heather Forrest, Donna Austin) on Wednesday 30 August 2017
>
> - Hubba Bubba ? before Abu Dhabi web-site and manual will be published. Now for the community to take this project and decide what to do next.
>
> - Long term financial planning process ? Executive team have started talking more about the mechanics. James observes contraction in the industry ? needs to be factored into revenue projections. How to have discussion with community on how to prioritize. For example, currently 14 million $ is spent on meetings. Growth in domain name registrations is contracting, smaller registries / registrars are suffering from high fees. May result in some looking at some of the other sources available like auction proceeds or requesting increase in fees to keep up current spending. Executive team to discuss with the Board mechanics of budget and prioritization and then take it to the community.
>
> - SO/AC Chairs Workshop at ICANN60 - How to prioritize the work that is front of us? What is important for GNSO may not be important for ALAC. Proposal to re-establish meeting between SO/AC Chairs and G?ran ? sharing information, not a decision-making mechanism. Invitation and ?charter? for that meeting will go out shortly for meeting to take place on Friday prior to ICANN60. Board members also expected to participate in this meeting.
>
> - Meetings going forward ? update on current discussions provided. David and his team are working on a paper that reflects what can be done about the existing meeting structure, but only focused on low hanging fruits e.g. moving days between meetings. Staff will not open up the recommendations of the meetings strategy, unless SO/ACs ask for it, for example idea of having two policy meetings and one AGM. GNSO Leadership to consider adding it to the agenda for upcoming Council meeting to discuss input as well as possible next steps.
>
> Action item #1: David to share paper on improvements to ICANN meetings with GNSO leadership team when available.
>
> Action item #2: GNSO leadership team to consider adding the topic of meetings and possible modifications to the agenda for one of the upcoming Council meetings to discuss input as well as possible next steps.
>
> - GDPR ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ? October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard. Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any suggestions are welcome.
>
> Action item #3: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.
>
> - Role of the GAC and involvement in PDP discussions ? possible collision coming up in relation to IGO/INGO Curative Rights. PDP is about to finalize its recommendations that are expected to be in contradiction with GAC Advice. Leadership team hereby providing a heads-up. Important for ICANN Org to encourage dialogue and championing the process, not a particular outcome. Need to improve information flow across SO/ACs. How can ICANN Org help inform others of discussions that are ongoing and appreciate context? Will not solve all the problems, but may facilitate mutual understanding. Make sure to support the process instead and avoid short-cuts. The Board seems to understand well the position of the GAC/governments, is there a need for additional information to Board members on the GNSO position and how these have been arrived to. PDP WG will organize a 90-minute session at ICANN60 to brief the community on its Final Recommendations as well as rationale for those recommendations - would be really helpful to have Board members to attend this session to understand the context and the rationale for the recommendations.  Also need Board to support the integrity of the process. Also consider briefing newer Board members on the status of ongoing PDPs so that they are informed about the deliberations as well as potential contentious issues. More and more legislation at national / local level that has a direct impact on ICANN.
>
> Action item #4: Marika to share timing of presentation of Final Report on Curative Rights for IGO/INGOs at ICANN60 so that Board members can be invited to this session. (Note this session is currently scheduled for Wednesday 1st November 2017 from 17:00 ? 18:30 local time).
>
> Action item #5: G?ran to work with Board Support to see how to work this session into the Board Schedule.
>
> - Board meetings & schedule ? there is little information currently available with regards to the Board meeting schedule as well as agenda?s for Board workshops. Would it be possible to ensure that this information gets posted in a timely manner? Project underway to improve this.
>
> Action item #6: ICANN Org to check where this information can be found and/or encourage the Board the publish this information in a timely manner
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Sep  9 13:42:06 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 06:42:06 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
	nominations
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I have just reviewed the SSC's mailing list, and am concerned with the ranking of candidates. For a Review Team designed to help improve the transparency and accountability of ICANN, I am surprised that Michael Karanicolas has not been ranked higher by the SSC. I trust that our representatives on the SSC are working to ensure the GNSO's nominations are balanced and qualified, but given we only have the power to 'force' through three representatives, I'd have hoped Michael would rank a little higher. I also think at least one of the three should be female, but that being said I am not familiar with the candidate pool of those who applied.

Just my thoughts; I am certainly not looking to undermine the dedicated work of our appointed representatives on the SSC.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 5:38 AM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 04:38
> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Phew....
>
> On 2017-09-09 00:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There was no nomination , candidates applied directly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2017 1:23 PM, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Uh....did I miss us doing this?  WHo have we nominated??
>>>
>>> cheers steph
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:	[council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
>>> Date:	Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
>>> From:	Susan Kawaguchi [<susankpolicy at gmail.com>](mailto:susankpolicy at gmail.com)
>>>
>>> To:	council at gnso.icann.org
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for the ATRT3 nominations.
>>>
>>> We are continuing our deliberations but will have the recommended nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next week.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Susan Kawaguchi
>>> Chair - SSC
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 13:51:03 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 19:51:03 +0900
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Hi Ayden,

regarding the meeting, my understanding from the notes there won't
be change in format or structure but shuffling the days around. David's
team will share a paper with such proposal and we will have such topic in
council for discussion.

personally, I think one issue that we, the community, we are trying to cram
too many sessions during ICANN meetings. that was more felt during policy
forum because many groups wanted to keep the same habits. I think we need
to rethink about the effectiveness to have so many meetings and how that
can be linked to inter-sessional work  (for example do we need so many
staff led sessions?). we can start the discussion anyway.

best,

Rafik

2017-09-09 19:27 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks very much, Rafik. I really appreciate this update on GDPR. There
> was a lot of new information in there for me. Sadly there seems to be an
> information asymmetry on the internal task force, with some stakeholders
> being kept very well informed, and some people (like myself) conveniently
> receiving no updates. Maybe if we used a proper, archived mailing list
> Staff would stop forgetting to cc me in. I think the comment, "nothing
> happens as recognized important for stability and security" is very telling
> and disturbing. "Stability and security" is not a valid processing
> condition. I have seen the CSG's letter - because it was shared off-list,
> not by ICANN Staff - and we should probably issue a rebuttal. Though a part
> of me thinks we should see how ICANN the organisation responds first.
>
> On meeting changes, what do you mean by this? I think we need to seriously
> consider whether the current meeting framework is fit for purpose -- I have
> some concerns about the condensed nature of the Policy Forum. It didn't
> work in Helsinki, and it didn't work in Joburg, and this is the feedback I
> have heard from an array of stakeholders.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FW: Notes and action items from meeting
> between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 8:02 AM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 07:02
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi,
>
> that was shared by GNSO leadership team this week and I note that several
> topics were discussed with ICANN CEO.
>
> - Hubba Bubba project which is about the process flow documentation
> - about budget and mention that ICANN is looking at auction proceeds as a
> possible source, or increasing fees which impact indirectly the registrants
> - about ICANN meeting changes. something we should discuss. I personally
> have some positions on that
> - more important about GDPR update and ICANN org discussion with DPA,
> where it seems contracted party asking to be involved. are our reps in
> GDPR taskforce aware about that?
>
> "
>
>    - *GDPR* ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling
>    different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in
>    the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal
>    data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings
>    taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a
>    reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ?
>    October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of
>    possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized
>    important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on
>    the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the
>    system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know
>    the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the
>    discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done
>    differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision
>    needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any
>    hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for
>    any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry
>    associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the
>    more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard.
>    Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any
>    suggestions are welcome.
>
>
>
> *Action item #3*: ICANN Org to consider involving industry
> representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to
> discuss GDPR.
> "
>
> we can compile some questions here and share those notes with wider
> membership later.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
>
>
> Councilors ?
>
>
>
> Last week, the Council Chairs (Donna, Heather and I) met with G?ran for
> our regular discussion with the CEO.  Notes & action items are captured
> below.  Please be aware that these are relatively informal discussions, and
> the notes below are being circulated ?as-is?, and may be missing some
> detail.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 22:29
>
> *Subject: *Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO
> Council Leadership Team
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> As requested, please find below some high-level notes from today?s
> discussions as well as action items. I hope this provides an accurate
> reflection of your conversation today.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Marika
>
>
>
> *High level notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO
> Council Leadership Team (James Bladel, Heather Forrest, Donna Austin) on
> Wednesday 30 August 2017*
>
>
>
>    - *Hubba Bubba *? before Abu Dhabi web-site and manual will be
>    published. Now for the community to take this project and decide what to do
>    next.
>
>
>
>    - *Long term financial planning process* ? Executive team have started
>    talking more about the mechanics. James observes contraction in the
>    industry ? needs to be factored into revenue projections. How to have
>    discussion with community on how to prioritize. For example, currently 14
>    million $ is spent on meetings. Growth in domain name registrations is
>    contracting, smaller registries / registrars are suffering from high fees.
>    May result in some looking at some of the other sources available like
>    auction proceeds or requesting increase in fees to keep up current
>    spending. Executive team to discuss with the Board mechanics of budget and
>    prioritization and then take it to the community.
>
>
>
>    - *SO/AC Chairs Workshop at ICANN60* - How to prioritize the work that
>    is front of us? What is important for GNSO may not be important for ALAC.
>    Proposal to re-establish meeting between SO/AC Chairs and G?ran ? sharing
>    information, not a decision-making mechanism. Invitation and ?charter? for
>    that meeting will go out shortly for meeting to take place on Friday prior
>    to ICANN60. Board members also expected to participate in this meeting.
>
>
>
>    - *Meetings going forward* ? update on current discussions provided.
>    David and his team are working on a paper that reflects what can be done
>    about the existing meeting structure, but only focused on low hanging
>    fruits e.g. moving days between meetings. Staff will not open up the
>    recommendations of the meetings strategy, unless SO/ACs ask for it, for
>    example idea of having two policy meetings and one AGM. GNSO Leadership to
>    consider adding it to the agenda for upcoming Council meeting to discuss
>    input as well as possible next steps.
>
>
>
> *Action item* *#1*: David to share paper on improvements to ICANN
> meetings with GNSO leadership team when available.
>
> *Action item* *#2*: GNSO leadership team to consider adding the topic of
> meetings and possible modifications to the agenda for one of the upcoming
> Council meetings to discuss input as well as possible next steps.
>
>
>
>    - *GDPR* ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling
>    different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in
>    the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal
>    data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings
>    taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a
>    reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ?
>    October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of
>    possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized
>    important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on
>    the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the
>    system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know
>    the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the
>    discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done
>    differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision
>    needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any
>    hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for
>    any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry
>    associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the
>    more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard.
>    Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any
>    suggestions are welcome.
>
>
>
> *Action item #3*: ICANN Org to consider involving industry
> representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to
> discuss GDPR.
>
>
>
>    - *Role of the GAC and involvement in PDP discussions* ? possible
>    collision coming up in relation to IGO/INGO Curative Rights. PDP is about
>    to finalize its recommendations that are expected to be in contradiction
>    with GAC Advice. Leadership team hereby providing a heads-up. Important for
>    ICANN Org to encourage dialogue and championing the process, not a
>    particular outcome. Need to improve information flow across SO/ACs. How can
>    ICANN Org help inform others of discussions that are ongoing and appreciate
>    context? Will not solve all the problems, but may facilitate mutual
>    understanding. Make sure to support the process instead and avoid
>    short-cuts. The Board seems to understand well the position of the
>    GAC/governments, is there a need for additional information to Board
>    members on the GNSO position and how these have been arrived to. PDP WG
>    will organize a 90-minute session at ICANN60 to brief the community on its
>    Final Recommendations as well as rationale for those recommendations -
>    would be really helpful to have Board members to attend this session to
>    understand the context and the rationale for the recommendations.  Also
>    need Board to support the integrity of the process. Also consider briefing
>    newer Board members on the status of ongoing PDPs so that they are informed
>    about the deliberations as well as potential contentious issues. More and
>    more legislation at national / local level that has a direct impact on
>    ICANN.
>
>
>
> *Action item* *#4*: Marika to share timing of presentation of Final
> Report on Curative Rights for IGO/INGOs at ICANN60 so that Board members
> can be invited to this session. (Note this session is currently scheduled
> for Wednesday 1st November 2017 from 17:00 ? 18:30 local time).
>
>
>
> *Action item #5*: G?ran to work with Board Support to see how to work
> this session into the Board Schedule.
>
>
>
>    - *Board meetings & schedule* ? there is little information currently
>    available with regards to the Board meeting schedule as well as agenda?s
>    for Board workshops. Would it be possible to ensure that this information
>    gets posted in a timely manner? Project underway to improve this.
>
>
>
> *Action item #6*: ICANN Org to check where this information can be found
> and/or encourage the Board the publish this information in a timely manner
>
>
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Sep  9 13:58:28 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 06:58:28 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
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Hi Rafik,

As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his application.

However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as follows:

- Paul Rosenzweig
- Julf Helsingius
- Pascal Bekono

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has time to review it.
> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing clearly for one. that won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>
> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:
>
>> Hi Rafik and all,
>>
>> I support.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967) GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context. Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was > skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: [+1 (202) 547-0660](tel:+1%20202-547-0660) > M: [+1 (202) 329-9650](tel:+1%20202-329-9650) > VOIP: [+1 (202) 738-1739](tel:+1%20202-738-1739) > www.redbranchconsulting.com > www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc _______________________________________________ NCSG-PC mailing list NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Sep  9 14:04:25 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:04:25 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
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Hi Ayden,

thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
preferred order is the best way.

All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
with Ayden's proposed order if everyone goes for this.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Hi Rafik,
>
> As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> application.
>
> However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> follows:
>
>  1. Paul Rosenzweig
>  2. Julf Helsingius
>  3. Pascal Bekono
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>  
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>> Liaison to the GAC
>> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>> time to review it.
>> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>> clearly for one. that won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>>
>> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
>> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>>
>>     Hi Rafik and all,
>>
>>     I support.
>>
>>     Cheers,
>>
>>     Tanya
>>
>>
>>     On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>     Hi,
>>>
>>>     due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>>>     can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>>>     no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>>     looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Rafik
>>>
>>>     2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>     <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>>         support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>>>         responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison. 
>>>
>>>         Best wishes,
>>>
>>>         Ayden F?rdeline
>>>         Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>>>         <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>         So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>>>>         are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>>>>         Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>         <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>>>>         <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>>>>         Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>>>>         Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>>         Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>>>>         Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>>>>         Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>>>>         request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>>>         Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>>>>         https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>>>         <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>>>         > > My completed application template follows: > >
>>>>         APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>>>         The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>>>>         the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>>>>         experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>>>>         processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>>>         the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>>>         mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>>>>         have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>>>>         policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>>>         Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>>>>         legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement,
>>>>         the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>>>>         considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>>>>         remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>>>>         the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>>>>         inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>>>         overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>>>         leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>>>         to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>>>>         This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>>>>         for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>>>>         with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>>         policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>>>         came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>>>>         engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>>>>         the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>>>>         the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
>>>>         consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>>>>         influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>>>>         processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>>>         interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>>>         skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>>>>         resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC
>>>>         advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>>         policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>>>         accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>>>>         procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>>>>         of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's
>>>>         intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>>>>         level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>>>>         also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>>>>         > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>>>         neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>>>>         make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>>>>         two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>>>         unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>>>>         NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>>>>         information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>>>         this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>>>>         history of service in the US government and thus a
>>>>         reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>>>>         the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>>>>         Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>>>         Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>>>         international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>>>>         for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>>>>         further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>>>>         have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>>>         Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>>>         paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>         <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>>>>         (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>>>>         329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>>         <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>         <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>>>>         www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>>>         <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>>>         https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>>         <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
>>>>         > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
>>>>         _______________________________________________ > NCSG-PC
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>>>>         <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is> >
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 14:04:51 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:04:51 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
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Thanks, Ayden. as we only discussed 2 candidates. in term of process, we
need some support to add a 3rd name for endorsement. so I would like to
urge other PC members to support this. if we agree on ranking, we can share
that to our reps in SSC for deliberations.

Best,

Rafik



2017-09-09 19:58 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I suppose
> Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at least by UTC
> timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his application.
>
> However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would propose
> that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as follows:
>
>    1. Paul Rosenzweig
>    2. Julf Helsingius
>    3. Pascal Bekono
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has time to
> review it.
> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC deliberation
> since as Stakeholder group we are not championing clearly for one. that
> won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier either give them a clear
> guidance from their group.
>
> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if other
> PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application in coming
> hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:
>
>> Hi Rafik and all,
>>
>> I support.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can endorse
>> both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can
>> submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support their
>>> candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
>>> selecting the liaison.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
>>> posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali,
>>> about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG:
>>> 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse
>>> typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > > Re-sending
>>> with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul
>>> Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am
>>> writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO > Liaison
>>> to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/di
>>> splay/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template
>>> follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > >
>>> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy >
>>> development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of the
>>> CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related to
>>> the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut of
>>> related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues --
>>> viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review >
>>> Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been,
>>> > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the GAC
>>> seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with GNSO
>>> policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO
>>> work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity to
>>> serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first
>>> instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please
>>> describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in
>>> GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to be
>>> intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy
>>> development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much
>>> attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN
>>> policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the > particular
>>> focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes to
>>> > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that GAC
>>> > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should be
>>> > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not
>>> through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal in
>>> my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two letter
>>> second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also
>>> disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO to
>>> this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good
>>> liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second
>>> level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
>>> antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please
>>> provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
>>> service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of the
>>> role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
>>> Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department > of
>>> Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
>>> contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
>>> happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the > NCSG
>>> might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch Consulting,
>>> PLLC > 509 C St. NE
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=509+C+St.+NE+%3E+Washington,+DC+20002&entry=gmail&source=g>>
>>> Washington, DC 20002
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=509+C+St.+NE+%3E+Washington,+DC+20002&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>> <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1
>>> (202) 738-1739 <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: > https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk
>>> s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded
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Thanks, Rafik. I will wait to see the paper... though it sounds a little like shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic. Not extending the meeting will not alleviate the workload.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FW: Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 11:51 AM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 10:51
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> regarding the meeting, my understanding from the notes there won't be change in format or structure but shuffling the days around. David's team will share a paper with such proposal and we will have such topic in council for discussion.
>
> personally, I think one issue that we, the community, we are trying to cram too many sessions during ICANN meetings. that was more felt during policy forum because many groups wanted to keep the same habits. I think we need to rethink about the effectiveness to have so many meetings and how that can be linked to inter-sessional work  (for example do we need so many staff led sessions?). we can start the discussion anyway.
>
> best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-09 19:27 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Thanks very much, Rafik. I really appreciate this update on GDPR. There was a lot of new information in there for me. Sadly there seems to be an information asymmetry on the internal task force, with some stakeholders being kept very well informed, and some people (like myself) conveniently receiving no updates. Maybe if we used a proper, archived mailing list Staff would stop forgetting to cc me in. I think the comment, "nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security" is very telling and disturbing. "Stability and security" is not a valid processing condition. I have seen the CSG's letter - because it was shared off-list, not by ICANN Staff - and we should probably issue a rebuttal. Though a part of me thinks we should see how ICANN the organisation responds first.
>>
>> On meeting changes, what do you mean by this? I think we need to seriously consider whether the current meeting framework is fit for purpose -- I have some concerns about the condensed nature of the Policy Forum. It didn't work in Helsinki, and it didn't work in Joburg, and this is the feedback I have heard from an array of stakeholders.
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FW: Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 8:02 AM
>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 07:02
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> that was shared by GNSO leadership team this week and I note that several topics were discussed with ICANN CEO.
>>>
>>> - Hubba Bubba project which is about the process flow documentation
>>> - about budget and mention that ICANN is looking at auction proceeds as a possible source, or increasing fees which impact indirectly the registrants
>>> - about ICANN meeting changes. something we should discuss. I personally have some positions on that
>>> - more important about GDPR update and ICANN org discussion with DPA, where it seems contracted party asking to be involved. are our reps in GDPR taskforce aware about that?
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> - GDPR ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ? October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard. Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any suggestions are welcome.
>>>
>>> Action item #3: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> we can compile some questions here and share those notes with wider membership later.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>
>>> Councilors ?
>>>
>>> Last week, the Council Chairs (Donna, Heather and I) met with G?ran for our regular discussion with the CEO.  Notes & action items are captured below.  Please be aware that these are relatively informal discussions, and the notes below are being circulated ?as-is?, and may be missing some detail.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 22:29
>>>
>>> Subject: Notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> As requested, please find below some high-level notes from today?s discussions as well as action items. I hope this provides an accurate reflection of your conversation today.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Marika
>>>
>>> High level notes and action items from meeting between G?ran and GNSO Council Leadership Team (James Bladel, Heather Forrest, Donna Austin) on Wednesday 30 August 2017
>>>
>>> - Hubba Bubba ? before Abu Dhabi web-site and manual will be published. Now for the community to take this project and decide what to do next.
>>>
>>> - Long term financial planning process ? Executive team have started talking more about the mechanics. James observes contraction in the industry ? needs to be factored into revenue projections. How to have discussion with community on how to prioritize. For example, currently 14 million $ is spent on meetings. Growth in domain name registrations is contracting, smaller registries / registrars are suffering from high fees. May result in some looking at some of the other sources available like auction proceeds or requesting increase in fees to keep up current spending. Executive team to discuss with the Board mechanics of budget and prioritization and then take it to the community.
>>>
>>> - SO/AC Chairs Workshop at ICANN60 - How to prioritize the work that is front of us? What is important for GNSO may not be important for ALAC. Proposal to re-establish meeting between SO/AC Chairs and G?ran ? sharing information, not a decision-making mechanism. Invitation and ?charter? for that meeting will go out shortly for meeting to take place on Friday prior to ICANN60. Board members also expected to participate in this meeting.
>>>
>>> - Meetings going forward ? update on current discussions provided. David and his team are working on a paper that reflects what can be done about the existing meeting structure, but only focused on low hanging fruits e.g. moving days between meetings. Staff will not open up the recommendations of the meetings strategy, unless SO/ACs ask for it, for example idea of having two policy meetings and one AGM. GNSO Leadership to consider adding it to the agenda for upcoming Council meeting to discuss input as well as possible next steps.
>>>
>>> Action item #1: David to share paper on improvements to ICANN meetings with GNSO leadership team when available.
>>>
>>> Action item #2: GNSO leadership team to consider adding the topic of meetings and possible modifications to the agenda for one of the upcoming Council meetings to discuss input as well as possible next steps.
>>>
>>> - GDPR ? update by G?ran on Task Force activities. Assembling different use cases, with idea of publishing those early September. Are in the process of engaging legal counsel in Europe. Have appointed internal data protection officer, focused on controlling of in house data. Meetings taking place in Brussels. ICANN invited to Art. 29 WP who are writing a reference paper which will be used for interpretation of the law ? October/November timeframe to publish this. Three different layers of possible outcomes of the DPA discussion: nothing happens as recognized important for stability and security, something that will have an effect on the policy as they are today, decide what kind of info could be in the system. Good thing is that a discussion is starting on this, but don?t know the outcome yet. ICANN Org neutral in this regard ? just supporting the discussion, protect status quo until someone directs that it should be done differently. James requests to step away from being neutral ? a decision needs to be taken shortly, whatever scenario prevails, in order to have any hope to meet a compliance deadline. Consider including industry reps for any meetings that ICANN is involved. Also consider engaging industry associations so they can also have these conversations separately ? the more people that raise these issues the more likely is that we?ll be heard. Importance of having transparency and openness in communication. Any suggestions are welcome.
>>>
>>> Action item #3: ICANN Org to consider involving industry representatives in meetings that are held with legislators / DPAs to discuss GDPR.
>>>
>>> - Role of the GAC and involvement in PDP discussions ? possible collision coming up in relation to IGO/INGO Curative Rights. PDP is about to finalize its recommendations that are expected to be in contradiction with GAC Advice. Leadership team hereby providing a heads-up. Important for ICANN Org to encourage dialogue and championing the process, not a particular outcome. Need to improve information flow across SO/ACs. How can ICANN Org help inform others of discussions that are ongoing and appreciate context? Will not solve all the problems, but may facilitate mutual understanding. Make sure to support the process instead and avoid short-cuts. The Board seems to understand well the position of the GAC/governments, is there a need for additional information to Board members on the GNSO position and how these have been arrived to. PDP WG will organize a 90-minute session at ICANN60 to brief the community on its Final Recommendations as well as rationale for those recommendations - would be really helpful to have Board members to attend this session to understand the context and the rationale for the recommendations.  Also need Board to support the integrity of the process. Also consider briefing newer Board members on the status of ongoing PDPs so that they are informed about the deliberations as well as potential contentious issues. More and more legislation at national / local level that has a direct impact on ICANN.
>>>
>>> Action item #4: Marika to share timing of presentation of Final Report on Curative Rights for IGO/INGOs at ICANN60 so that Board members can be invited to this session. (Note this session is currently scheduled for Wednesday 1st November 2017 from 17:00 ? 18:30 local time).
>>>
>>> Action item #5: G?ran to work with Board Support to see how to work this session into the Board Schedule.
>>>
>>> - Board meetings & schedule ? there is little information currently available with regards to the Board meeting schedule as well as agenda?s for Board workshops. Would it be possible to ensure that this information gets posted in a timely manner? Project underway to improve this.
>>>
>>> Action item #6: ICANN Org to check where this information can be found and/or encourage the Board the publish this information in a timely manner
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Sep  9 14:10:44 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:10:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
	nominations
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Ayden, all,

I am also very much surprised that Michael is not in the pool of three
highest ranked candidates -- taken into account his work in
accountability CCWG and his lead in transparency subgroup. Furthermore,
I am not very happy to find myself ranked higher in order of preference.
I know that we might discuss the gender balance here, but if the
question is who gets on the review team if there are additional places -
I am ready to withdraw my application if Michael's appointment will
depend on this in case of free places. As he is the next after me in
ranking, may be it's the best thing to do to guarantee a place for him
in case of additional slots. I really think he would be a great addition
to the review team with all his experience and expertise.

Warm regards,

Tanya


On 09/09/17 12:42, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> I have just reviewed the SSC's mailing list, and am concerned with the
> ranking of candidates. For a Review Team designed to help improve the
> transparency and accountability of ICANN, I am surprised that Michael
> Karanicolas has not been ranked higher by the SSC. I trust that our
> representatives on the SSC are working to ensure the GNSO's
> nominations are balanced and qualified, but given we only have the
> power to 'force' through three representatives, I'd have hoped Michael
> would rank a little higher. I also think at least one of the three
> should be female, but that being said I am not familiar with the
> candidate pool of those who applied.
>
> Just my thoughts; I am certainly not looking to undermine the
> dedicated work of our appointed representatives on the SSC.
>
> ?Ayden 
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
>> nominations
>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 5:38 AM
>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 04:38
>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>>
>> Phew....
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-09 00:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> There was no nomination , candidates applied directly.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 9, 2017 1:23 PM, "Stephanie Perrin"
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Uh....did I miss us doing this?  WHo have we nominated??
>>>
>>>     cheers steph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>     Subject:
>>>     	[council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
>>>     Date:
>>>     	Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
>>>     From:
>>>     	Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>
>>>     <mailto:susankpolicy at gmail.com>
>>>     To:
>>>     	council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Hello All, 
>>>
>>>     The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for
>>>     the ATRT3 nominations. 
>>>
>>>     We are continuing our deliberations but will have the
>>>     recommended nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next
>>>     week. 
>>>
>>>     Best regards, 
>>>
>>>     Susan Kawaguchi
>>>     Chair - SSC
>>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 14:19:01 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 20:19:01 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
	nominations
In-Reply-To: <7dee191e-9edf-4531-d163-452c8742f6f8@mpicc.de>
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Hi,

maybe just to clarify about the ranking: the top 3 candidates are
guaranteed to be in the ATRT and one of them is Wolfgang who is a NCSG
member (the others are Brian Cute who was in previous ATRT, if I am not
mistaking its chair, and Stephane Van Gelder). then the 4th and 5th
candidates are NCSG members. GNSO can send 7 names and SO/AC leaders can
decide about the composition of the ATRT.
if Tatiana withdraws, I think we can ask to make Michael go up the 4th
position. we don't know if we can get him to ATRT but his chances would be
better.
regarding the pool of candidates, it was really small and it raises a lot
of concerns about getting more candidates for forthcoming appointments.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-09 20:10 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:

> Ayden, all,
>
> I am also very much surprised that Michael is not in the pool of three
> highest ranked candidates -- taken into account his work in accountability
> CCWG and his lead in transparency subgroup. Furthermore, I am not very
> happy to find myself ranked higher in order of preference. I know that we
> might discuss the gender balance here, but if the question is who gets on
> the review team if there are additional places - I am ready to withdraw my
> application if Michael's appointment will depend on this in case of free
> places. As he is the next after me in ranking, may be it's the best thing
> to do to guarantee a place for him in case of additional slots. I really
> think he would be a great addition to the review team with all his
> experience and expertise.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 09/09/17 12:42, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> I have just reviewed the SSC's mailing list, and am concerned with the
> ranking of candidates. For a Review Team designed to help improve the
> transparency and accountability of ICANN, I am surprised that Michael
> Karanicolas has not been ranked higher by the SSC. I trust that our
> representatives on the SSC are working to ensure the GNSO's nominations are
> balanced and qualified, but given we only have the power to 'force' through
> three representatives, I'd have hoped Michael would rank a little higher. I
> also think at least one of the three should be female, but that being said
> I am not familiar with the candidate pool of those who applied.
>
> Just my thoughts; I am certainly not looking to undermine the dedicated
> work of our appointed representatives on the SSC.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3
> nominations
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 5:38 AM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 04:38
> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
>
> Phew....
>
> On 2017-09-09 00:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There was no nomination , candidates applied directly.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2017 1:23 PM, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> Uh....did I miss us doing this?  WHo have we nominated??
>
> cheers steph
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:
> [council] Placeholder motion for ATRT3 nominations
> Date:
> Fri, 8 Sep 2017 13:44:11 -0700
> From:
> Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com> <susankpolicy at gmail.com>
> To:
> council at gnso.icann.org
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> The SSC respectfully submits the attached placeholder motion for the ATRT3
> nominations.
>
> We are continuing our deliberations but will have the recommended
> nominations to submit to the GNSO Council early next week.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Susan Kawaguchi
> Chair - SSC
>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 14:25:11 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:25:11 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Good point on ranking.

And thanks for considering my earlier comments as suggestions since i
am not yet formally voting on the PC.

Regards,
Arsene

2017-09-09 13:04 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
> Thanks, Ayden. as we only discussed 2 candidates. in term of process, we
> need some support to add a 3rd name for endorsement. so I would like to
> urge other PC members to support this. if we agree on ranking, we can share
> that to our reps in SSC for deliberations.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2017-09-09 19:58 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I suppose
>> Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at least by UTC
>> timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his application.
>>
>> However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would propose
>> that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as follows:
>>
>>    1. Paul Rosenzweig
>>    2. Julf Helsingius
>>    3. Pascal Bekono
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
>> to the GAC
>> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has time to
>> review it.
>> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC deliberation
>> since as Stakeholder group we are not championing clearly for one. that
>> won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier either give them a clear
>> guidance from their group.
>>
>> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if other
>> PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application in coming
>> hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>:
>>
>>> Hi Rafik and all,
>>>
>>> I support.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we can
>>> endorse
>>> both and send their applications to SSC. if there is no objection, I can
>>> submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to support
>>>> their
>>>> candidacies ? we have not been delegated the responsibility as PC of
>>>> selecting the liaison.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or are we just
>>>> posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne Tungali,
>>>> about.me/ArseneTungali +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG:
>>>> 523644A0 Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse
>>>> typos) > On Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>> Re-sending
>>>> with the attachment. > > Tapani > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul
>>>> Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I
>>>> am
>>>> writing to request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>>> Liaison
>>>> to the GAC. My current SOI is here: > https://community.icann.org/di
>>>> splay/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI > > My completed application template
>>>> follows: > > APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig >
>>>> Affiliation
>>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of the NCSG > >
>>>> Please provide an overview of your experience/expertise with GNSO policy
>>>> >
>>>> development processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>>> the
>>>> CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability mechanisms > related
>>>> to
>>>> the ICANN transition. As such I have participated in the full > gamut
>>>> of
>>>> related GNSO/NCSG policy issue that are of applicability to that >
>>>> context.
>>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on legal > issues
>>>> --
>>>> viz, ICANN's revised mission statement, the new Independent Review >
>>>> Process, and ongoing considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have
>>>> been,
>>>> > and remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of the
>>>> > GAC
>>>> seems > to reflect governmental interests that are inconsistent with
>>>> GNSO
>>>> policy. > > Please provide an overview of your Previous engagements in
>>>> GNSO
>>>> work in a > leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>>> to
>>>> serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity. This is the first
>>>> instance in > which I have volunteered for such a position. > > Please
>>>> describe your familiarity with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement
>>>> in
>>>> GNSO policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I came to
>>>> be
>>>> intimately familiar with GAC processes for > engaging in GNSO policy
>>>> development. I suspect that few in the GNSO have > paid quite as much
>>>> attention as I have to the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition
>>>> of
>>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to influence > ICANN
>>>> policy. Indeed the changes to those processes were one of the >
>>>> particular
>>>> focuses of my interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the resulting changes
>>>> to
>>>> > ICANN's methods for considering GAC advice. I remain of the view that
>>>> > GAC
>>>> > engagement in GNSO policy development is essential but that it should
>>>> > be
>>>> > accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison procedures and not
>>>> through > extra-procedural fiat. By way of example, > I have been vocal
>>>> in
>>>> my view that the GAC's intervention with the Board > regarding two
>>>> letter
>>>> second level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and also
>>>> disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not > alerted the GNSO
>>>> to
>>>> this issue earlier. [And, though neutrality is a > hallmark of a good
>>>> liaison, I should also make clear that I find GAC claims > that second
>>>> level two-letter domains should be restricted deeply > unpersuasive and
>>>> antithetical to policies that animate the NCSG and the > GNSO]. > >
>>>> Please
>>>> provide any other information that demonstrates your qualifications >
>>>> for
>>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a > history of
>>>> service in the US government and thus a reasonable understanding > of
>>>> the
>>>> role of governments. In the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the
>>>> Acting Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the Department >
>>>> of
>>>> Homeland Security, and thus experience in international diplomatic >
>>>> contexts. I attach a full resume for your consideration. > > I would be
>>>> happy to answer any further questions you or other members of the >
>>>> NCSG
>>>> might have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>>> Consulting,
>>>> PLLC > 509 C St. NE
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=509+C+St.+NE+%3E+Washington,+DC+20002&entry=gmail&source=g>>
>>>> Washington, DC 20002
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=509+C+St.+NE+%3E+Washington,+DC+20002&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> > paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com > O: +1 (202) 547-0660
>>>> <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP:
>>>> +1
>>>> (202) 738-1739 <+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com >
>>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com > My PGP Key: >
>>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pk
>>>> s/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684 > > > > ----- End forwarded
>>>> message ----- > > _______________________________________________ >
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is >
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Sat Sep  9 14:33:47 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:33:47 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <968ac565-676a-9628-686c-043b79270c4c@mpicc.de>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
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Hi all,

I'm not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
also put Julf first. Among other reasons he's the only one of them
with councillor experience.

Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn't
say we'd endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
least try to consider the applications' substance, even though time is
short.

I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.

Tapani

(going offline for a week, so won't be commenting on this any more)

On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
> 
> Hi Ayden,
> 
> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> preferred order is the best way.
> 
> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> with Ayden's proposed order if everyone goes for this.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya
> 
> 
> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> > Hi Rafik,
> >
> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > application.
> >
> > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > follows:
> >
> >  1. Paul Rosenzweig
> >  2. Julf Helsingius
> >  3. Pascal Bekono
> >
> > Best wishes, Ayden
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> >> Liaison to the GAC
> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> >> time to review it.
> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> >> clearly for one. that won't make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> >>
> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> >>
> >>     Hi Rafik and all,
> >>
> >>     I support.
> >>
> >>     Cheers,
> >>
> >>     Tanya
> >>
> >>
> >>     On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>>     Hi,
> >>>
> >>>     due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> >>>     can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> >>>     no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> >>>     looking to hear from other PC members.
> >>>
> >>>     Best,
> >>>
> >>>     Rafik
> >>>
> >>>     2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> >>>     <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> >>>
> >>>         Hi,
> >>>
> >>>         I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> >>>         support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
> >>>         responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison. 
> >>>
> >>>         Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>>         Ayden F?rdeline
> >>>         Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
> >>>         <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>         So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> >>>>         are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
> >>>>         Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> >>>>         <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
> >>>>         <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> >>>>         Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> >>>>         Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> >>>>         Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> >>>>         Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> >>>>         Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> >>>>         request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> >>>>         Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> >>>>         https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> >>>>         <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> >>>>         > > My completed application template follows: > >
> >>>>         APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> >>>>         The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> >>>>         the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> >>>>         experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> >>>>         processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> >>>>         the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> >>>>         mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> >>>>         have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> >>>>         policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> >>>>         Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> >>>>         legal > issues -- viz, ICANN's revised mission statement,
> >>>>         the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> >>>>         considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> >>>>         remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> >>>>         the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> >>>>         inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> >>>>         overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> >>>>         leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> >>>>         to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> >>>>         This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> >>>>         for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> >>>>         with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> >>>>         policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> >>>>         came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> >>>>         engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> >>>>         the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> >>>>         the GAC's rules of operation, its > definition of
> >>>>         consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> >>>>         influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> >>>>         processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> >>>>         interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> >>>>         skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> >>>>         resulting changes to > ICANN's methods for considering GAC
> >>>>         advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> >>>>         policy development is essential but that it should be >
> >>>>         accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> >>>>         procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> >>>>         of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC's
> >>>>         intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> >>>>         level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> >>>>         also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> >>>>         > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> >>>>         neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> >>>>         make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> >>>>         two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> >>>>         unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> >>>>         NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> >>>>         information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> >>>>         this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> >>>>         history of service in the US government and thus a
> >>>>         reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> >>>>         the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> >>>>         Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> >>>>         Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> >>>>         international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> >>>>         for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> >>>>         further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> >>>>         have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> >>>>         Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> >>>>         paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> >>>>         <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> >>>>         (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
> >>>>         329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> >>>>         <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
> >>>>         <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> >>>>         www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> >>>>         <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> >>>>         https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
> >>>>         <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
> >>>>         > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >


From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Sep  9 15:37:25 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 08:37:25 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
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Hi,

It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ayden,
>>
>> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>> preferred order is the best way.
>>
>> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>> with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>>
>> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> > Hi Rafik,
>> >
>> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>> > application.
>> >
>> > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>> > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>> > follows:
>> >
>> > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>> > 2. Julf Helsingius
>> > 3. Pascal Bekono
>> >
>> > Best wishes, Ayden
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>> >> Liaison to the GAC
>> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>> >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>> >> time to review it.
>> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>> >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>> >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>> >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>> >>
>> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>> >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
>> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Rafik
>> >>
>> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rafik and all,
>> >>
>> >> I support.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Tanya
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>> >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>> >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Rafik
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>> >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>> >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best wishes,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>> >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>> >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>> >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>> >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>> >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>> >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>> >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>> >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>> >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>> >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>> >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>> >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>> >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>> >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>> >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>> >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>> >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>> >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>> >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>> >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>> >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>> >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>> >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>> >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>> >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>> >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>> >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>> >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>> >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>> >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>> >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>> >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>> >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>> >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>> >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>> >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>> >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>> >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>> >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>> >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>> >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>> >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>> >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>> >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>> >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>> >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>> >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>> >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>> >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>> >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>> >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>> >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>> >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>> >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>> >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>> >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>> >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>> >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>> >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>> >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>> >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>> >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>> >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>> >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>> >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>> >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>> >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>> >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>> >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>> >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>> >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>> >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>> >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>> >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>> >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>> >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>> >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>> >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>> >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>> >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
>> >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 15:44:54 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 21:44:54 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Hi Ayden,

I double-checked, I couldn't find any additional application.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-09 21:37 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth
> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true
> - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our
> strategy as to who we endorse...
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (
> t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ayden,
> >
> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> > preferred order is the best way.
> >
> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tanya
> >
> >
> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> > > Hi Rafik,
> > >
> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > > application.
> > >
> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
> > >
> > > Best wishes, Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> > >> Liaison to the GAC
> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> > >> time to review it.
> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> > >>
> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
> > >>
> > >> I support.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Tanya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best wishes,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
> <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> <+1%20202-738-1739>
> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> > >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830
> 097CA066684
> > >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A83
> 0097CA066684>
> > >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu  Sat Sep  9 15:47:49 2017
From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu (Milan, Stefania)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 12:47:49 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
	to	the GAC
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>From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my total trust.
Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the process and introduce clarity.
Stefania

________________________________________
Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
A: Tapani Tarvainen
Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to     the GAC

Hi,

It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...

?Ayden


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is

Hi all,

I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
with councillor experience.

Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
short.

I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.

Tapani

(going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)

On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> preferred order is the best way.
>
> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
>
> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> > Hi Rafik,
> >
> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > application.
> >
> > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > follows:
> >
> > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
> > 2. Julf Helsingius
> > 3. Pascal Bekono
> >
> > Best wishes, Ayden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> >> Liaison to the GAC
> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> >> time to review it.
> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> >>
> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rafik
> >>
> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> >>
> >> Hi Rafik and all,
> >>
> >> I support.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Tanya
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
> >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>> Ayden F?rdeline
> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
> >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
> >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
> >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
> >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
> >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
> >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
> >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
> >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
> >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
> >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
> >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
> >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
> >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
> >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Sep  9 15:57:04 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 08:57:04 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
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Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to whom his application was sent.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my total trust.
> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the process and introduce clarity.
> Stefania
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
> A: Tapani Tarvainen
> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>
> Hi,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>
> ?Ayden
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ayden,
>>
>> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>> preferred order is the best way.
>>
>> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>> with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>>
>> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> > Hi Rafik,
>> >
>> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>> > application.
>> >
>> > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>> > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>> > follows:
>> >
>> > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>> > 2. Julf Helsingius
>> > 3. Pascal Bekono
>> >
>> > Best wishes, Ayden
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>> >> Liaison to the GAC
>> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>> >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>> >> time to review it.
>> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>> >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>> >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>> >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>> >>
>> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>> >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
>> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Rafik
>> >>
>> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rafik and all,
>> >>
>> >> I support.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Tanya
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>> >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>> >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best,
>> >>>
>> >>> Rafik
>> >>>
>> >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>> >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>> >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best wishes,
>> >>>
>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>> >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>> >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>> >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>> >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>> >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>> >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>> >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>> >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>> >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>> >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>> >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>> >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>> >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>> >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>> >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>> >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>> >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>> >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>> >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>> >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>> >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>> >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>> >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>> >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>> >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>> >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>> >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>> >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>> >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>> >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>> >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>> >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>> >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>> >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>> >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>> >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>> >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>> >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>> >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>> >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>> >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>> >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>> >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>> >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>> >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>> >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>> >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>> >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>> >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>> >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>> >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>> >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>> >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>> >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>> >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>> >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>> >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>> >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>> >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>> >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>> >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>> >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>> >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>> >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>> >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>> >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>> >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>> >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>> >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>> >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>> >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>> >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>> >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>> >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>> >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>> >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>> >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>> >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>> >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>> >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
>> >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:58:59 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
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Krishna sent his application to the GNSO Sec directly and it was reverted
to me and Tapani. I have to dig up his application.

Farzaneh

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to
> whom his application was sent.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline <
> icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my
> total trust.
> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the
> process and introduce clarity.
> Stefania
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden F?rdeline <
> icann at ferdeline.com>
> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
> A: Tapani Tarvainen
> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
>
> Hi,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth
> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true
> - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our
> strategy as to who we endorse...
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (
> t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ayden,
> >
> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> > preferred order is the best way.
> >
> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tanya
> >
> >
> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> > > Hi Rafik,
> > >
> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > > application.
> > >
> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
> > >
> > > Best wishes, Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> > >> Liaison to the GAC
> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> > >> time to review it.
> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> > >>
> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
> > >>
> > >> I support.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Tanya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best wishes,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
> <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
> <(202)%20738-1739>
> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> > >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
> 0x9A830097CA066684
> > >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
> 0x9A830097CA066684>
> > >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 16:02:34 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 09:02:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Find Krishna's application attached.

Farzaneh

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:58 AM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Krishna sent his application to the GNSO Sec directly and it was reverted
> to me and Tapani. I have to dig up his application.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to
>> whom his application was sent.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
>> to the GAC
>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline <
>> icann at ferdeline.com>
>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my
>> total trust.
>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the
>> process and introduce clarity.
>> Stefania
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden F?rdeline
>> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
>> to the GAC
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth
>> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true
>> - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our
>> strategy as to who we endorse...
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
>> to the GAC
>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>> with councillor experience.
>>
>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>> short.
>>
>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (
>> t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Ayden,
>> >
>> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>> > preferred order is the best way.
>> >
>> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Tanya
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> > > Hi Rafik,
>> > >
>> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>> > > follows:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
>> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes, Ayden
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> -------- Original Message --------
>> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>> > >> Liaison to the GAC
>> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>> > >> time to review it.
>> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>> > >>
>> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
>> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best,
>> > >>
>> > >> Rafik
>> > >>
>> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
>> > >>
>> > >> I support.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >>
>> > >> Tanya
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> > >>> Hi,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Rafik
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best wishes,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>> <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> <(202)%20738-1739>
>> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>> > >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830
>> 097CA066684
>> > >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A83
>> 0097CA066684>
>> > >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sat Sep  9 16:04:35 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 09:04:35 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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I agree you absolutely need council experience.? We cannot have someone 
with no council experience trying to explain things to the GAC. Council 
is hard enough to master (said she who is still mastering procedures)

Steph


On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to 
> whom his application was sent.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>> Liaison to the GAC
>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline 
>> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has 
>> my total trust.
>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline 
>> the process and introduce clarity.
>> Stefania
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden 
>> F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>> Liaison to the GAC
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth 
>> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? 
>> If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to 
>> re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>> Liaison to the GAC
>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>> with councillor experience.
>>
>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>> short.
>>
>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>
>> Tapani
>>
>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina 
>> (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Ayden,
>> >
>> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>> > preferred order is the best way.
>> >
>> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Tanya
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> > > Hi Rafik,
>> > >
>> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>> > > follows:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
>> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
>> > >
>> > > Best wishes, Ayden
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> -------- Original Message --------
>> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>> > >> Liaison to the GAC
>> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to 
>> SSC.
>> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>> > >> time to review it.
>> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending 
>> many
>> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>> > >>
>> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal 
>> application
>> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best,
>> > >>
>> > >> Rafik
>> > >>
>> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
>> > >>
>> > >> I support.
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >>
>> > >> Tanya
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> > >>> Hi,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Rafik
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Best wishes,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>> > >>>> 
>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
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From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 15:10:00 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:

- Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am
ready to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also
from his bio I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be
good with GAC. However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.

- We can't endorse 4 people.

- If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply and
endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because I
just don't want to write people off before reviewing their applications.
Of course, if we decided that he submitted it in time and following the
formal procedure we established.

Warm regards,
Tanya

On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I agree you absolutely need council experience.  We cannot have
> someone with no council experience trying to explain things to the
> GAC.  Council is hard enough to master (said she who is still
> mastering procedures)
>
> Steph
>
>
> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure
>> to whom his application was sent.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden 
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline
>>> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has
>>> my total trust.
>>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to
>>> streamline the process and introduce clarity.
>>> Stefania
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden
>>> F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a
>>> fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm
>>> this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might
>>> need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>>>
>>> ?Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>>> with councillor experience.
>>>
>>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>>> short.
>>>
>>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>>
>>> Tapani
>>>
>>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina
>>> (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Ayden,
>>> >
>>> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>>> > preferred order is the best way.
>>> >
>>> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>>> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Tanya
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>> > > Hi Rafik,
>>> > >
>>> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>>> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>>> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>>> > > application.
>>> > >
>>> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>>> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>>> > > follows:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>>> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
>>> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
>>> > >
>>> > > Best wishes, Ayden
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >> -------- Original Message --------
>>> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>> > >> Liaison to the GAC
>>> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>>> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>>> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>>> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed
>>> to SSC.
>>> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>>> > >> time to review it.
>>> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that
>>> sending many
>>> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>>> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>>> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>>> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>>> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal
>>> application
>>> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Best,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rafik
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>>> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I support.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Cheers,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Tanya
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> > >>> Hi,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>>> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>>> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Best,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Rafik
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Hi,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>>> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Best wishes,
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>>> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>>> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>>> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>>> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>>> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>>> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>>> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>>> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>>> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>>> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>>> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>>> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>>> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>>> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>>> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>>> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>>> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>>> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>>> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>>> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>>> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>>> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>>> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>>> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>>> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>>> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>>> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>>> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>>> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>>> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>>> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>>> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>>> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>>> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>>> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>>> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>>> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>>> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>>> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>>> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>>> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>>> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>>> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>>> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>>> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>>> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>>> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>>> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>>> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>>> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>>> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>>> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>>> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>>> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>> > >>>>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Sep  9 16:31:31 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2017 09:31:31 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
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I see Council experience as desirable but not essential. In the case of Paul, I do not believe his lack of Council experience would hinder his ability to perform the duties expected of him. Julf is active in many fora at ICANN; this may even be a good opportunity to spread the workload, reactivating the involvement of one of our larger, less active organisational members in ICANN processes. Just a thought.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 2:10 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 13:10
> From: t.tropina at mpicc.de
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:
>
> - Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am ready to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also from his bio I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be good with GAC. However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.
>
> - We can't endorse 4 people.
>
> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply and endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because I just don't want to write people off before reviewing their applications. Of course, if we decided that he submitted it in time and following the formal procedure we established.
>
> Warm regards,
> Tanya
>
> On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
>> I agree you absolutely need council experience.  We cannot have someone with no council experience trying to explain things to the GAC.  Council is hard enough to master (said she who is still mastering procedures)
>>
>> Steph
>>
>> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to whom his application was sent.
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>>>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen [<ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>](mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info), Ayden F?rdeline [<icann at ferdeline.com>](mailto:icann at ferdeline.com)
>>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is [<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>](mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is)
>>>>
>>>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my total trust.
>>>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>>>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the process and introduce clarity.
>>>> Stefania
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Da: NCSG-PC [<ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>](mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is) per conto di Ayden F?rdeline [<icann at ferdeline.com>](mailto:icann at ferdeline.com)
>>>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>>>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>>>>
>>>> ?Ayden
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>>>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>>>> with councillor experience.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>>>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>>>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>>>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>>>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>>>> short.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>>>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>>>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>>>>> preferred order is the best way.
>>>>>
>>>>> All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>>>>> with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tanya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>>>>> > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>>>>> > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>>>>> > application.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>>>>> > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>>>>> > follows:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>>>>> > 2. Julf Helsingius
>>>>> > 3. Pascal Bekono
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>>>> >> Liaison to the GAC
>>>>> >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>>>>> >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina [<t.tropina at mpicc.de>](mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de)
>>>>> >> ncsg-pc [<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>](mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
>>>>> >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>>>>> >> time to review it.
>>>>> >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
>>>>> >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>>>>> >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>>>>> >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
>>>>> >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
>>>>> >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
>>>>> >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>>>>> >> [<mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>](mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de)>:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi Rafik and all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I support.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Tanya
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>>>>> >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>>>>> >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>>>> >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Best,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Rafik
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>> >>> [<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>](mailto:icann at ferdeline.com)>:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>>>> >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>>>>> >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Best wishes,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>>>> >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>>>>> >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com [<mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>](mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>>>>> >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>>>>> >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>>> >>>> [<http://about.me/ArseneTungali>](http://about.me/ArseneTungali) +243 993810967
>>>>> >>>> [<tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967) GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>>>>> >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>>>>> >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>>> >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>>>>> >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>>>>> >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>>>>> >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>>>> >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>>>>> >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>>>> >>>> [<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>](https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI)
>>>>> >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>>>>> >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>>>> >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>>>>> >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>>>>> >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>>>>> >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>>>> >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>>>> >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>>>>> >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>>>>> >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>>>> >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>>>>> >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>>>>> >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>>>>> >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>>>>> >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>>>>> >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>>>>> >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>>>> >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>>>> >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>>>> >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>>>>> >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>>>>> >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>>>>> >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>>> >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>>>> >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>>>>> >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>>>>> >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>>>>> >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>>>>> >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>>>>> >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>>>>> >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>>>> >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>>>> >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>>>>> >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>>>>> >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>>> >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>>>> >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>>>>> >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>>>>> >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>>>>> >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>>>>> >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>>>>> >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>>>>> >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>>>> >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>>>>> >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>>>>> >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>>>> >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>>>>> >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>>>>> >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>>>> >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>>>>> >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>>>>> >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>>>>> >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>>>>> >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>>>> >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>>>> >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>>>>> >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>>>>> >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>>>>> >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>>>> >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>>>> >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>> >>>> [<mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>](mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com) > O: +1
>>>>> >>>> (202) 547-0660 [<tel:+1%20202-547-0660>](tel:+1%20202-547-0660) > M: +1 (202)
>>>>> >>>> 329-9650 [<tel:+1%20202-329-9650>](tel:+1%20202-329-9650) > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>>> >>>> [<tel:+1%20202-738-1739>](tel:+1%20202-738-1739) > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>>> >>>> [<http://www.redbranchconsulting.com>](http://www.redbranchconsulting.com) >
>>>>> >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>>>> >>>> [<http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com>](http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com) > My PGP Key: >
>>>>> >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>>> >>>> [<https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>](https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684)
>>>>> >>>> > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > >
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep  9 16:43:04 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 22:43:04 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
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Hi all,

some comments:
- all applications should be reviewed before endorsement or not. so
applications of Pascal and Kris should be reviewed and assess them as a
matter of fairness since we made a call for candidatures within the NCSG
list. please review the applications and read carefully the description of
GAC liaison role.
- ranking can be the guidance for our reps to SSC and assess the situation
with regard to other stakeholders endorsements and positioning. we don't
need necessarily to indicate such ranking of preference while we can do it.
at the end, it is one seat to fill.

Best,

Rafik


2017-09-09 22:31 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> I see Council experience as desirable but not essential. In the case of
> Paul, I do not believe his lack of Council experience would hinder his
> ability to perform the duties expected of him. Julf is active in many fora
> at ICANN; this may even be a good opportunity to spread the workload,
> reactivating the involvement of one of our larger, less active
> organisational members in ICANN processes. Just a thought.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 2:10 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 13:10
> From: t.tropina at mpicc.de
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
>
> I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:
>
> - Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am ready
> to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also from his bio
> I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be good with GAC.
> However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.
> - We can't endorse 4 people.
>
> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply and
> endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because I just
> don't want to write people off before reviewing their applications. Of
> course, if we decided that he submitted it in time and following the formal
> procedure we established.
>
> Warm regards,
> Tanya
>
>
> On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I agree you absolutely need council experience.  We cannot have someone
> with no council experience trying to explain things to the GAC.  Council is
> hard enough to master (said she who is still mastering procedures)
>
> Steph
>
> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure to
> whom his application was sent.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he has my
> total trust.
> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to streamline the
> process and introduce clarity.
> Stefania
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>
> <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden F?rdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
> A: Tapani Tarvainen
> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
>
> Hi,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a fourth
> candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to confirm this? If true
> - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we might need to re-think our
> strategy as to who we endorse...
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison
> to the GAC
> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> Hi all,
>
> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
> with councillor experience.
>
> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
> short.
>
> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>
> Tapani
>
> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>
> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina (
> t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ayden,
> >
> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
> > preferred order is the best way.
> >
> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Tanya
> >
> >
> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> > > Hi Rafik,
> > >
> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
> > > application.
> > >
> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
> > > follows:
> > >
> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
> > >
> > > Best wishes, Ayden
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -------- Original Message --------
> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
> > >> Liaison to the GAC
> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed to SSC.
> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
> > >> time to review it.
> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that sending many
> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC easier
> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
> > >>
> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the deadline. if
> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal application
> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> Rafik
> > >>
> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de> <t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
> > >>
> > >> I support.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Tanya
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best,
> > >>>
> > >>> Rafik
> > >>>
> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>>:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best wishes,
> > >>>
> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243
> 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> <+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG:
> 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
> > >>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> <+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1
> (202)
> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> <+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1
> (202) 738-1739 <+1%20202-738-1739>
> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> <+1%20202-738-1739> >
> www.redbranchconsulting.com
> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com>
> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com>
> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
> > >>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
> 0x9A830097CA066684
> > >>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=
> 0x9A830097CA066684>
> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
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From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 10:59:18 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
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I agree.? I still think the easiest way out of this to say council 
experience is essential, because I think most of us agree it is.

cheers Steph


On 2017-09-09 09:10, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
>
> I am going to review Kris's application but I agree with the following:
>
> - Council experience is essential though not the absolute must. I am 
> ready to endorse Paul because being aware of his experience and also 
> from his bio I think he is able to take a strong stand and he will be 
> good with GAC. However, Julf would be my top option for endorsement.
>
> - We can't endorse 4 people.
>
> - If we consider Kris's application we need to rank those who apply 
> and endorse one or two. I am going to consider the application because 
> I just don't want to write people off before reviewing their 
> applications. Of course, if we decided that he submitted it in time 
> and following the formal procedure we established.
>
> Warm regards,
> Tanya
>
> On 09/09/17 15:04, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>
>> I agree you absolutely need council experience.? We cannot have 
>> someone with no council experience trying to explain things to the 
>> GAC.? Council is hard enough to master (said she who is still 
>> mastering procedures)
>>
>> Steph
>>
>>
>> On 2017-09-09 08:57, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>> Hi Stefi - the name I was given was Kris Seeburn, but I am not sure 
>>> to whom his application was sent.
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 1:47 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 12:47
>>>> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu
>>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Ayden F?rdeline 
>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>
>>>> From having observed Julf from up close over these two years, he 
>>>> has my total trust.
>>>> Who is the fourth candidate, Ayden?
>>>> But yeah, rethinking our strategy is a good suggestion, to 
>>>> streamline the process and introduce clarity.
>>>> Stefania
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Ayden 
>>>> F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> Inviato: sabato 9 settembre 2017 14:37:25
>>>> A: Tapani Tarvainen
>>>> Cc: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> It has been brought to my attention that there may have been a 
>>>> fourth candidate for our endorsement. Rafik, are you able to 
>>>> confirm this? If true - I am inclined to agree with Tapani that we 
>>>> might need to re-think our strategy as to who we endorse...
>>>>
>>>> ?Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO 
>>>> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> Local Time: 9 September 2017 12:33 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 9 September 2017 11:33
>>>> From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I"m not sure we can put the candidates in order, but if we do, I would
>>>> also put Julf first. Among other reasons he"s the only one of them
>>>> with councillor experience.
>>>>
>>>> Second, I would not endorse Pascal. Even though the deadline given was
>>>> vague ("before Friday"), he did not follow the instructions but
>>>> submitted his application directly to the secretariat, and we didn"t
>>>> say we"d endorse everybody who asks - indeed we should not, but at
>>>> least try to consider the applications" substance, even though time is
>>>> short.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Rafik that submitting more candidates is likely to lessen
>>>> our changes of getting any of them through, and looking at the
>>>> applications Pascal seems to me weakest of the three.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> (going offline for a week, so won"t be commenting on this any more)
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 09, 2017 at 01:04:25PM +0200, Dr. Tatiana Tropina 
>>>> (t.tropina at mpicc.de) wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Ayden,
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks a lot. It seems that endorsing all three but proposing the
>>>> > preferred order is the best way.
>>>> >
>>>> > All: I personally would rather put Julf as number one, but I am fine
>>>> > with Ayden"s proposed order if everyone goes for this.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> >
>>>> > Tanya
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 09/09/17 12:58, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>>> > > Hi Rafik,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > As we did not include a hard deadline in the email on Thursday, I
>>>> > > suppose Pascal did submit his request for endorsement on time [at
>>>> > > least by UTC timezone]. For that reason I support us endorsing his
>>>> > > application.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > However, if it would help the SSC in their deliberations, I would
>>>> > > propose that the preferred order of candidates from the NCSG be as
>>>> > > follows:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > 1. Paul Rosenzweig
>>>> > > 2. Julf Helsingius
>>>> > > 3. Pascal Bekono
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Best wishes, Ayden
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> > >> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO
>>>> > >> Liaison to the GAC
>>>> > >> Local Time: 8 September 2017 11:18 PM
>>>> > >> UTC Time: 8 September 2017 22:18
>>>> > >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> > >> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>>>> > >> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hi,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Thanks, I see we have support to send the 2 names as endorsed 
>>>> to SSC.
>>>> > >> We got an extra application lately and not sure that everyone has
>>>> > >> time to review it.
>>>> > >> there is no limit to send 3 names. however, I think that 
>>>> sending many
>>>> > >> names will weaken their chances of those candidatures at SSC
>>>> > >> deliberation since as Stakeholder group we are not championing
>>>> > >> clearly for one. that won"t make NCSG representatives to SSC 
>>>> easier
>>>> > >> either give them a clear guidance from their group.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> for now, I will send Julf and Paul applications by the 
>>>> deadline. if
>>>> > >> other PC members weigh in and also support sending Pascal 
>>>> application
>>>> > >> in coming hours, we can submit hs endorsment afterward.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Best,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Rafik
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> 2017-09-09 3:04 GMT+09:00 Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>>>> > >> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Hi Rafik and all,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> I support.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Cheers,
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Tanya
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On 08/09/17 14:28, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> > >>> Hi,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> due to the time constraint and since we have 2 candidates, we
>>>> > >>> can endorse both and send their applications to SSC. if there is
>>>> > >>> no objection, I can submit them just before 23:59UTC.
>>>> > >>> looking to hear from other PC members.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Best,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Rafik
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> 2017-09-08 16:50 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> > >>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Hi,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> I propose endorsing both. We are only asked, I believe, to
>>>> > >>> support their candidacies ? we have not been delegated the
>>>> > >>> responsibility as PC of selecting the liaison.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Best wishes,
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> Ayden F?rdeline
>>>> > >>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 8:41 am, Ars?ne Tungali
>>>> > >>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> > >>>> So how are we doing this? Do we vote by a formal poll or
>>>> > >>>> are we just posting on here? ----------------- Ars?ne
>>>> > >>>> Tungali, about.me/ArseneTungali
>>>> > >>>> <http://about.me/ArseneTungali> +243 993810967
>>>> > >>>> <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967> GPG: 523644A0 Goma, Democratic
>>>> > >>>> Republic of Congo Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos) > On
>>>> > >>>> Sep 8, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote: > >
>>>> > >>>> Re-sending with the attachment. > > Tapani > > -----
>>>> > >>>> Forwarded message from Paul Rosenzweig ----- > > Dear
>>>> > >>>> Tapani (and Farzaneh as incoming Chair) > > I am writing to
>>>> > >>>> request that you consider endorsing me to be the GNSO >
>>>> > >>>> Liaison to the GAC. My current SOI is here: >
>>>> > >>>> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI
>>>> > >>>> 
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Paul+Rosenzweig+SOI>
>>>> > >>>> > > My completed application template follows: > >
>>>> > >>>> APPLICATION TEMPLATE > > Name Paul Rosenzweig > Affiliation
>>>> > >>>> The Heritage Foundation/Red Branch > Consulting -- part of
>>>> > >>>> the NCSG > > Please provide an overview of your
>>>> > >>>> experience/expertise with GNSO policy > development
>>>> > >>>> processes: Since 2014, I have been an active > member of
>>>> > >>>> the CCWG-A in both WS1 and WS2 regarding accountability
>>>> > >>>> mechanisms > related to the ICANN transition. As such I
>>>> > >>>> have participated in the full > gamut of related GNSO/NCSG
>>>> > >>>> policy issue that are of applicability to that > context.
>>>> > >>>> Given my legal background, I have particularly focused on
>>>> > >>>> legal > issues -- viz, ICANN"s revised mission statement,
>>>> > >>>> the new Independent Review > Process, and ongoing
>>>> > >>>> considerations of jurisdictional issues. I have been, > and
>>>> > >>>> remain, especially focused on areas where the influence of
>>>> > >>>> the GAC seems > to reflect governmental interests that are
>>>> > >>>> inconsistent with GNSO policy. > > Please provide an
>>>> > >>>> overview of your Previous engagements in GNSO work in a >
>>>> > >>>> leadership capacity: I have not had a previous opportunity
>>>> > >>>> to serve in > the GNSO or NCSG in a leadership capacity.
>>>> > >>>> This is the first instance in > which I have volunteered
>>>> > >>>> for such a position. > > Please describe your familiarity
>>>> > >>>> with GAC processes, including GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>> > >>>> policy development: As part of my work > with the CCWG-A I
>>>> > >>>> came to be intimately familiar with GAC processes for >
>>>> > >>>> engaging in GNSO policy development. I suspect that few in
>>>> > >>>> the GNSO have > paid quite as much attention as I have to
>>>> > >>>> the GAC"s rules of operation, its > definition of
>>>> > >>>> consensus, and the ways in which it is permitted to
>>>> > >>>> influence > ICANN policy. Indeed the changes to those
>>>> > >>>> processes were one of the > particular focuses of my
>>>> > >>>> interest in the CCWG-A and one of the reasons I was >
>>>> > >>>> skeptical of the ultimate product of the CCWG and the
>>>> > >>>> resulting changes to > ICANN"s methods for considering GAC
>>>> > >>>> advice. I remain of the view that GAC > engagement in GNSO
>>>> > >>>> policy development is essential but that it should be >
>>>> > >>>> accomplished through established GAC-GNSO liaison
>>>> > >>>> procedures and not through > extra-procedural fiat. By way
>>>> > >>>> of example, > I have been vocal in my view that the GAC"s
>>>> > >>>> intervention with the Board > regarding two letter second
>>>> > >>>> level top level domains was procedurally > improper (and
>>>> > >>>> also disappointed that the GNSO liaison to the GAC had not
>>>> > >>>> > alerted the GNSO to this issue earlier. [And, though
>>>> > >>>> neutrality is a > hallmark of a good liaison, I should also
>>>> > >>>> make clear that I find GAC claims > that second level
>>>> > >>>> two-letter domains should be restricted deeply >
>>>> > >>>> unpersuasive and antithetical to policies that animate the
>>>> > >>>> NCSG and the > GNSO]. > > Please provide any other
>>>> > >>>> information that demonstrates your qualifications > for
>>>> > >>>> this position: It is perhaps of relevance that I have a >
>>>> > >>>> history of service in the US government and thus a
>>>> > >>>> reasonable understanding > of the role of governments. In
>>>> > >>>> the 2005-09 time period I twice served as > the Acting
>>>> > >>>> Assistant Secretary for International Affairs at the
>>>> > >>>> Department > of Homeland Security, and thus experience in
>>>> > >>>> international diplomatic > contexts. I attach a full resume
>>>> > >>>> for your consideration. > > I would be happy to answer any
>>>> > >>>> further questions you or other members of the > NCSG might
>>>> > >>>> have. > > Regards > Paul > > Paul Rosenzweig > Red Branch
>>>> > >>>> Consulting, PLLC > 509 C St. NE > Washington, DC 20002 >
>>>> > >>>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>>> > >>>> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> > O: +1
>>>> > >>>> (202) 547-0660 <tel:+1%20202-547-0660> > M: +1 (202)
>>>> > >>>> 329-9650 <tel:+1%20202-329-9650> > VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739
>>>> > >>>> <tel:+1%20202-738-1739> > www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>>> > >>>> <http://www.redbranchconsulting.com> >
>>>> > >>>> www.paulrosenzweigesq.com
>>>> > >>>> <http://www.paulrosenzweigesq.com> > My PGP Key: >
>>>> > >>>> 
>>>> https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684
>>>> > >>>> 
>>>> <https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830097CA066684>
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From avri at apc.org  Sun Sep 10 06:45:30 2017
From: avri at apc.org (avri doria)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2017 23:45:30 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <AM4PR05MB3332A9DAC3B0A7155E83A310F76A0@AM4PR05MB3332.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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(observer)

Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.

avri





From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sun Sep 10 22:34:48 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:34:48 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <9e3dc88c-6ffa-faef-94d1-6d46b485d4e8@apc.org>
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	I agree with Avri, and others, in the sense that this is not going to be a Team that will have NCSG reps, this is one GAC Liaison for the whole GNSO, so it is far more important it can fully navigate procedures, formalities and very high end work than other qualities, if it would be a GNSO team following GAD work, then I would have a different approach, maybe giving more trust to someone I believe more sensitive to NCSG core issues or deep knowledge on NCSG matters, so it can balance out perspectives, and several head will share they GAC knowledge to make it work. Since is only one person for the whole bridge between GNSO and GAC, I would be more happy to recommend one or two that have deep knowledge on how GNSO/GAC procedures work. Reviewing all, I think our first two choices do stand out.
	For the same reasons I just exposed, I think this is not the best scenario to ?use it to make leadership?, since is not an NCSG slot what we are trying to fill.

	As always, I can be convinced otherwise with the right arguments, this are just my intuitions, although strong.

Cheers,
Mart?n
	

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:45 AM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
> 
> (observer)
> 
> Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
> and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.
> 
> avri
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 11 04:13:55 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 10:13:55 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <14F55A29-F1A8-4361-8173-0DB7CB18755A@gmail.com>
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Hi all,

thanks for comments. I see there is no support for endorsing so many
candidates. I can conclude that our decision to send only 2 candidates
stands and we can express some preference/ranking to our SSC
representations to use that during deliberations. Poncelet and myself are
already in the PC list and we can share the info with Renata.

based on the ongoing discussion, I  see that the mix between GNSO knowledge
and Gov/GAC work is important criteria, something to be used by SSC
representatives too.

I am taking note of the discussion and how we proceeded for the appointment
, to the draft for NCSG Policy committee procedures.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-11 4:34 GMT+09:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>:

>         I agree with Avri, and others, in the sense that this is not going
> to be a Team that will have NCSG reps, this is one GAC Liaison for the
> whole GNSO, so it is far more important it can fully navigate procedures,
> formalities and very high end work than other qualities, if it would be a
> GNSO team following GAD work, then I would have a different approach, maybe
> giving more trust to someone I believe more sensitive to NCSG core issues
> or deep knowledge on NCSG matters, so it can balance out perspectives, and
> several head will share they GAC knowledge to make it work. Since is only
> one person for the whole bridge between GNSO and GAC, I would be more happy
> to recommend one or two that have deep knowledge on how GNSO/GAC procedures
> work. Reviewing all, I think our first two choices do stand out.
>         For the same reasons I just exposed, I think this is not the best
> scenario to ?use it to make leadership?, since is not an NCSG slot what we
> are trying to fill.
>
>         As always, I can be convinced otherwise with the right arguments,
> this are just my intuitions, although strong.
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:45 AM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > (observer)
> >
> > Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
> > and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Sep 12 21:02:01 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 14:02:01 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmxbfU=s04nmn6K2_YX8UgPPi3v5v6sCz0gQh1_91BNGw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Rafik.

Am I correct to presume that the names put forward to the SSC were Julf and Paul?

I have observed on the SSC mailing list today that Staff seem to have railroaded through the recommendation of the BC in relation to the ATRT3 candidates, and that the status of Michael Karanicolas remains unchanged. If it is also the feeling of our SSC representatives, I hope that we may consider putting forward an objection, suggesting that the candidate ranking be altered. But I realise I am just an observer :-)

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 11 September 2017 2:13 AM
> UTC Time: 11 September 2017 01:13
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
> avri doria <avri at apc.org>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> thanks for comments. I see there is no support for endorsing so many candidates. I can conclude that our decision to send only 2 candidates stands and we can express some preference/ranking to our SSC representations to use that during deliberations. Poncelet and myself are already in the PC list and we can share the info with Renata.
>
> based on the ongoing discussion, I  see that the mix between GNSO knowledge and Gov/GAC work is important criteria, something to be used by SSC representatives too.
>
> I am taking note of the discussion and how we proceeded for the appointment , to the draft for NCSG Policy committee procedures.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-11 4:34 GMT+09:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>
>>         I agree with Avri, and others, in the sense that this is not going to be a Team that will have NCSG reps, this is one GAC Liaison for the whole GNSO, so it is far more important it can fully navigate procedures, formalities and very high end work than other qualities, if it would be a GNSO team following GAD work, then I would have a different approach, maybe giving more trust to someone I believe more sensitive to NCSG core issues or deep knowledge on NCSG matters, so it can balance out perspectives, and several head will share they GAC knowledge to make it work. Since is only one person for the whole bridge between GNSO and GAC, I would be more happy to recommend one or two that have deep knowledge on how GNSO/GAC procedures work. Reviewing all, I think our first two choices do stand out.
>>         For the same reasons I just exposed, I think this is not the best scenario to ?use it to make leadership?, since is not an NCSG slot what we are trying to fill.
>>
>>         As always, I can be convinced otherwise with the right arguments, this are just my intuitions, although strong.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n
>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:45 AM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> (observer)
>>>
>>> Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
>>> and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Sep 12 23:43:21 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 05:43:21 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
 the GAC
In-Reply-To: <47cZAAdFOi4SEB5Rue7UJ_JiKqhcPIINcyDOocIj4sLzLQhwBRt1vCXm8pKyIMFLVxO9BwcwxR6-XAiBBnVDLIBtE6JiNt2eWdF7sLwFtFg=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi Ayden,



On Sep 13, 2017 3:02 AM, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

Thanks Rafik.

Am I correct to presume that the names put forward to the SSC were Julf and
Paul?



Yes, indeed.


I have observed on the SSC mailing list today that Staff seem to have
railroaded through the recommendation of the BC in relation to the ATRT3
candidates, and that the status of Michael Karanicolas remains unchanged.



I am not sure why you think it is BC recommendation. Unless you are talking
about Susan who is the chair of SSC and sent email to the list expaining
the results?btw BC endorsed candidate is ranked 6th.
The result of ranking comes from survey/poll.

With regard to Michael ranking, Tatiana suggested to withdraw her
application but I dont think we agreed to proceed witht that.

If it is also the feeling of our SSC representatives, I hope that we may
consider putting forward an objection, suggesting that the candidate
ranking be altered. But I realise I am just an observer :-)


On which basis we should alter ranking?


Best

Rafik




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
the GAC
Local Time: 11 September 2017 2:13 AM
UTC Time: 11 September 2017 01:13
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
To: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
avri doria <avri at apc.org>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi all,

thanks for comments. I see there is no support for endorsing so many
candidates. I can conclude that our decision to send only 2 candidates
stands and we can express some preference/ranking to our SSC
representations to use that during deliberations. Poncelet and myself are
already in the PC list and we can share the info with Renata.

based on the ongoing discussion, I  see that the mix between GNSO knowledge
and Gov/GAC work is important criteria, something to be used by SSC
representatives too.

I am taking note of the discussion and how we proceeded for the appointment
, to the draft for NCSG Policy committee procedures.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-11 4:34 GMT+09:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>:

>         I agree with Avri, and others, in the sense that this is not going
> to be a Team that will have NCSG reps, this is one GAC Liaison for the
> whole GNSO, so it is far more important it can fully navigate procedures,
> formalities and very high end work than other qualities, if it would be a
> GNSO team following GAD work, then I would have a different approach, maybe
> giving more trust to someone I believe more sensitive to NCSG core issues
> or deep knowledge on NCSG matters, so it can balance out perspectives, and
> several head will share they GAC knowledge to make it work. Since is only
> one person for the whole bridge between GNSO and GAC, I would be more happy
> to recommend one or two that have deep knowledge on how GNSO/GAC procedures
> work. Reviewing all, I think our first two choices do stand out.
>         For the same reasons I just exposed, I think this is not the best
> scenario to ?use it to make leadership?, since is not an NCSG slot what we
> are trying to fill.
>
>         As always, I can be convinced otherwise with the right arguments,
> this are just my intuitions, although strong.
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:45 AM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > (observer)
> >
> > Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
> > and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.
> >
> > avri
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCSG-PC mailing list
> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> _______________________________________________
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Thu Sep 14 22:34:35 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 15:34:35 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to
	the GAC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnVoUfL6v-HrUMKC7hczJGYK_fqsWpG4Kz5pepRNQ+PCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20170908051529.yhl2eruh37s7b74z@roller.tarvainen.info>
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Hi Rafik,

I certainly do not think Tatiana should withdraw her application. She is unquestionably qualified and would represent us professionally and intelligently on the ATRT3.

What I had suggested was that Michael be ranked higher, in order to be guaranteed a slot on the Review Team. However, I had not realised that the BC representative was communicating the rankings to the list in her capacity as Chair of the SSC. That certainly does change things...

Many thanks for all that you do,

Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
> Local Time: 12 September 2017 9:43 PM
> UTC Time: 12 September 2017 20:43
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, avri doria <avri at apc.org>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 3:02 AM, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Rafik.
>>
>> Am I correct to presume that the names put forward to the SSC were Julf and Paul?
>
> Yes, indeed.
>
>> I have observed on the SSC mailing list today that Staff seem to have railroaded through the recommendation of the BC in relation to the ATRT3 candidates, and that the status of Michael Karanicolas remains unchanged.
>
> I am not sure why you think it is BC recommendation. Unless you are talking about Susan who is the chair of SSC and sent email to the list expaining the results?btw BC endorsed candidate is ranked 6th.
> The result of ranking comes from survey/poll.
>
> With regard to Michael ranking, Tatiana suggested to withdraw her application but I dont think we agreed to proceed witht that.
>
>> If it is also the feeling of our SSC representatives, I hope that we may consider putting forward an objection, suggesting that the candidate ranking be altered. But I realise I am just an observer :-)
>
> On which basis we should alter ranking?
>
>>
>
> Best
>
> Rafik
>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Request for NSCG endorsement -- GNSO Liaison to the GAC
>>> Local Time: 11 September 2017 2:13 AM
>>> UTC Time: 11 September 2017 01:13
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
>>> avri doria <avri at apc.org>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> thanks for comments. I see there is no support for endorsing so many candidates. I can conclude that our decision to send only 2 candidates stands and we can express some preference/ranking to our SSC representations to use that during deliberations. Poncelet and myself are already in the PC list and we can share the info with Renata.
>>>
>>> based on the ongoing discussion, I  see that the mix between GNSO knowledge and Gov/GAC work is important criteria, something to be used by SSC representatives too.
>>>
>>> I am taking note of the discussion and how we proceeded for the appointment , to the draft for NCSG Policy committee procedures.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-09-11 4:34 GMT+09:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>         I agree with Avri, and others, in the sense that this is not going to be a Team that will have NCSG reps, this is one GAC Liaison for the whole GNSO, so it is far more important it can fully navigate procedures, formalities and very high end work than other qualities, if it would be a GNSO team following GAD work, then I would have a different approach, maybe giving more trust to someone I believe more sensitive to NCSG core issues or deep knowledge on NCSG matters, so it can balance out perspectives, and several head will share they GAC knowledge to make it work. Since is only one person for the whole bridge between GNSO and GAC, I would be more happy to recommend one or two that have deep knowledge on how GNSO/GAC procedures work. Reviewing all, I think our first two choices do stand out.
>>>>         For the same reasons I just exposed, I think this is not the best scenario to ?use it to make leadership?, since is not an NCSG slot what we are trying to fill.
>>>>
>>>>         As always, I can be convinced otherwise with the right arguments, this are just my intuitions, although strong.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Mart?n
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 12:45 AM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (observer)
>>>>>
>>>>> Should be someone of very familiar with GNSO procedures &c.
>>>>> and have some knowledge of how GAC and gov'ts work.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Sun Sep 17 23:46:39 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:46:39 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary of
 Data Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
In-Reply-To: <01F5A530-0043-4BCD-8995-6A773B1B8487@icann.org>
References: <01F5A530-0043-4BCD-8995-6A773B1B8487@icann.org>
Message-ID: <66d906f3-7b26-7ad1-27b3-1d5194c09f1a@mail.utoronto.ca>

I am hoping Kathy will be on the call Monday to brief us on this....

cheers Stephanie



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	[council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary of Data 
Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
Date: 	Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:20:14 +0000
From: 	Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
CC: 	J. Scott Evans <jsevans at adobe.com>, Kathy Kleiman 
<kathy at kathykleiman.com>



Dear Councilors,

As you know, the Review of All Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP 
Working Group has submitted a request for Council approval in relation 
to resources needed to conduct an extensive data gathering exercise, in 
accordance with the principles developed by the GNSO?s Data & Metrics 
for Policy Making Working Group. The motion and request is on the 
Council?s meeting agenda for its upcoming 20 September call.

To facilitate the Council?s review of the data request, the RPM Working 
Group co-chairs have prepared the attached summary. We hope you will 
find it useful. The motion and full data request can be found on the 
Council?s wiki page at https://community.icann.org/x/yiIhB (motion) and 
https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/rpm-sunrise-trademark-claims-07sep17-en.pdf 
(request).

Thanks and cheers

Mary

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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Sun Sep 17 23:53:45 2017
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 16:53:45 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary
 of Data Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
In-Reply-To: <66d906f3-7b26-7ad1-27b3-1d5194c09f1a@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <01F5A530-0043-4BCD-8995-6A773B1B8487@icann.org>
 <66d906f3-7b26-7ad1-27b3-1d5194c09f1a@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <50f3affe-d847-1a29-e5ee-b0abbe7a53e6@kathykleiman.com>

Yup!  Best, Kathy


On 9/17/2017 4:46 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> I am hoping Kathy will be on the call Monday to brief us on this....
>
> cheers Stephanie
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	[council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary of Data 
> Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
> Date: 	Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:20:14 +0000
> From: 	Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
> CC: 	J. Scott Evans <jsevans at adobe.com>, Kathy Kleiman 
> <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>
>
>
> Dear Councilors,
>
> As you know, the Review of All Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP 
> Working Group has submitted a request for Council approval in relation 
> to resources needed to conduct an extensive data gathering exercise, 
> in accordance with the principles developed by the GNSO?s Data & 
> Metrics for Policy Making Working Group. The motion and request is on 
> the Council?s meeting agenda for its upcoming 20 September call.
>
> To facilitate the Council?s review of the data request, the RPM 
> Working Group co-chairs have prepared the attached summary. We hope 
> you will find it useful. The motion and full data request can be found 
> on the Council?s wiki page at https://community.icann.org/x/yiIhB 
> (motion) and 
> https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/rpm-sunrise-trademark-claims-07sep17-en.pdf 
> (request).
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Mon Sep 18 01:02:21 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 00:02:21 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary
 of Data Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
In-Reply-To: <50f3affe-d847-1a29-e5ee-b0abbe7a53e6@kathykleiman.com>
References: <01F5A530-0043-4BCD-8995-6A773B1B8487@icann.org>
 <66d906f3-7b26-7ad1-27b3-1d5194c09f1a@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <50f3affe-d847-1a29-e5ee-b0abbe7a53e6@kathykleiman.com>
Message-ID: <9ea0c546-7bba-4e07-3354-4bfc29011aa8@mpicc.de>

Thanks Kathy - big relief :-) Looking forward to tomorrow's call.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 17/09/17 22:53, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
>
> Yup!  Best, Kathy
>
>
> On 9/17/2017 4:46 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>>
>> I am hoping Kathy will be on the call Monday to brief us on this....
>>
>> cheers Stephanie
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	[council] FOR INFORMATION & DISCUSSION: Summary of Data
>> Request from RPM Working Group co-chairs
>> Date: 	Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:20:14 +0000
>> From: 	Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
>> To: 	council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>> CC: 	J. Scott Evans <jsevans at adobe.com>, Kathy Kleiman
>> <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Councilors,
>>
>>  
>>
>> As you know, the Review of All Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs)
>> PDP Working Group has submitted a request for Council approval in
>> relation to resources needed to conduct an extensive data gathering
>> exercise, in accordance with the principles developed by the GNSO?s
>> Data & Metrics for Policy Making Working Group. The motion and
>> request is on the Council?s meeting agenda for its upcoming 20
>> September call.
>>
>>  
>>
>> To facilitate the Council?s review of the data request, the RPM
>> Working Group co-chairs have prepared the attached summary. We hope
>> you will find it useful. The motion and full data request can be
>> found on the Council?s wiki page at
>> https://community.icann.org/x/yiIhB (motion) and
>> https://gnso.icann.org/en/drafts/rpm-sunrise-trademark-claims-07sep17-en.pdf
>> (request).
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks and cheers
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 04:13:42 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:13:42 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy call agenda
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkfEWXZ5gY5BA-sEqsQxFPwZ=vXD1UPwzm+o1FaTdE0cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Please find the draft agenda for NCSG Policy call,

I. Roll call/Introduction
II. GNSO Council Call Preparation

   - Council Agenda :
*https://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/agenda-council-20sep17-en.htm
   <https://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/agenda-council-20sep17-en.htm>*
   - Motions:
   https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+20+September+2017


III. Policy Update
- Planning public comments responses:  https://www.icann.org/public-
comments#open-public

   - Statistical Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs (SADAG) Report (19th Sep)
   , Draft prepared by Farell
   - Proposed Dates for ICANN Public Meetings 2021?2023, (2nd Oct),
   Penholder Ayden
   - Proposed Changes to the NCUC Charter, (3rd Oct) , Penholder Ayden

- Update from Working Groups
IV. AOB
   * Planning for Abu Dhabi meeting

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 04:50:26 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:50:26 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Review of draft comment for SADAG report
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkjTozD1cNWjCTF4oJkuBSxP=6TAMZXuHu0BhX4OSHa5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Please find a draft comment made by Farell (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10K4cnqMrhRnF1mZFtBbQKpzGNMBcZv2OCjvly_8eYoQ/edit)
on Statistical Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs (SADAG) Report.

The deadline for submission is the 19th Sept, but we can ask for late
submission. We should target this Friday for approval. Farell will send the
draft to NCSG list for consultation.
You will find attached the study but also some summary material prepared by
Farell. I would like to thank Farell for the work done with regard to
review the study

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 04:53:39 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:53:39 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership /
 IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be
a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
We need to suggest a name from our side asap.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT
REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <
joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com"
<plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>,
Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <
chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,
Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>,
Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>,
"Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "
harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <
mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia
Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "
tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <
mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>


Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,



Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to
identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your
House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share
your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the
EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only
available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to
also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also
open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what
staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and
alternate delegate.



Thanks,



Marika



*From: *<council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <
jbladel at godaddy.com>
*Date: *Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
*To: *GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
*Subject: *[council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on
GDPR and Next Steps



Councilors -

See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the
subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates
from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this
is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.

While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and
identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their
House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this
started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David,
Theresa, and G?ran.

If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are
granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding
is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the
meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote
participation options.


Thank you,

J.
-----------------
James Bladel
GNSO Chair



---------- Forwarded message ----------
*From:* James M. Bladel
*Date:* Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
*To:* David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
*Cc:* Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
*Subject:* Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next
Steps

Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?



First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and
uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to
fill in some of what we currently do not know.


That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is
not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries
and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the
interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users,
civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of
stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all
views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO
and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me
alive.



Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the
GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more
folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.



Thank you,



J.

------------------

James Bladel

GNSO Chair





*From:* <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <
david.olive at icann.org>
*Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
*To:* SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
*Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
*Subject:* [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps



Dear SO/AC Chairs:



As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to
the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to
receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with
a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.



As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible
implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to
give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to
provide their perspectives.



With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a
roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a
direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining
the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN
organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In
preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2
representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited
travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote
participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable
discussion.



Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary
document are listed below and may be of interest:



   - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-
   privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=>
   - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.
   org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-
   11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=>
    (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information
   page[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=>)




Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up
with you.



Best regards,



David









David A. Olive
Senior Vice President

Policy Development Support
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 05:13:17 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 11:13:17 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Call for Topics: GNSO & Board discussion
	ICANN60
In-Reply-To: <EAE5FF06-0BCF-41F8-B151-48A1C7DEAF12@icann.org>
References: <EAE5FF06-0BCF-41F8-B151-48A1C7DEAF12@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThm7RT-cm1No66u-nXGMZHTYTpQmPZ=d0UngUWeSbfYtRA@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

do we have a list of topics we would like to propose for the meeting
between council and board?
we can cover that quickly during our NCSG call to elicit some proposals.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nathalie Peregrine <nathalie.peregrine at icann.org>
Date: 2017-09-16 0:23 GMT+09:00
Subject: [council] Call for Topics: GNSO & Board discussion ICANN60
To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Cc: "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>


***On behalf of James Bladel***

Dear councilors,

The Board sent their two topics for discussion on 1 September 2017 to the
SG/Cs. The two topics are: (1) What are the key issues/topics you are
currently working on? (2) What are the concerns of your Group regarding
GDPR and how best to mitigate?

 We need to send the Board the GNSO topics of discussion for the joint
GNSO/ ICANN Board meeting on Sunday 29 October 2017. Could you please let
us know on the mailing list what you would like to discuss?

 Kind regards,

 Nathalie





Nathalie Peregrine

Manager, Operations Support (GNSO)

Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)

Email: nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
<http://nathalie.peregrine at icann.org%20>

Skype: nathalie.peregrine.icann



Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses and visiting
the GNSO Newcomer pages
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gnso.icann.org_files_gnso_presentations_policy-2Defforts.htm-23newcomers&d=DgMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=-d9m4sr16OXloyLjz4TF6npbe51hgE0EHtoX1U6WUOA&s=Bw2Uzbh2Pu1X0lObLtbwtN5ZNEP3ECdPAfcqzVvIOYE&e=>





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From wjdrake at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 08:23:35 2017
From: wjdrake at gmail.com (William Drake)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 07:23:35 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
	/ IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
 <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA97DD34-0E81-453A-B492-D10C8F2CAA2B@gmail.com>

Hi

Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...

Bill (observer)

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> 
> 
> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
> 
>  
> 
> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Marika
> 
>  
> 
> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
>  
> 
> Councilors -
> 
> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
> 
> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
> 
> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James M. Bladel
> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
> 
>  
> 
> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
> 
> 
> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
> 
>  
> 
> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
> J.
> 
> ------------------
> 
> James Bladel
> 
> GNSO Chair
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
>  
> 
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
> 
>  
> 
> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps. 
> 
>  
> 
> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives. 
> 
>  
> 
> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
> 
>  
> 
> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest: 
> 
>  
> 
> New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
> Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org] (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page[icann.org])
>  
> 
> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you. 
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
>  
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> David A. Olive
> Senior Vice President
> 
> Policy Development Support
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Sep 18 08:37:11 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 01:37:11 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
 / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <FA97DD34-0E81-453A-B492-D10C8F2CAA2B@gmail.com>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
 <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA97DD34-0E81-453A-B492-D10C8F2CAA2B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7d1d69a-4773-5d73-ea4f-0a3db5622226@mail.utoronto.ca>

I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.? 
The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.

Stephanie


On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
> Hi
>
> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we 
> request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am 
> undoubtedly not alone in this...
>
> Bill (observer)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it 
>> will be a?representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Terri Agnew* <terri.agnew at icann.org 
>> <mailto:terri.agnew at icann.org>>
>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT 
>> REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>" 
>> <csg-excomm at icann.org <mailto:csg-excomm at icann.org>>, 
>> "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>" 
>> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>, 
>> "joan at npoc.org <mailto:joan at npoc.org>" <joan at npoc.org 
>> <mailto:joan at npoc.org>>, "joankerr at fbsc.org 
>> <mailto:joankerr at fbsc.org>" <joankerr at fbsc.org 
>> <mailto:joankerr at fbsc.org>>, "plommer at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:plommer at gmail.com>" <plommer at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:plommer at gmail.com>>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com 
>> <mailto:julf at julf.com>>, Chantelle Doerksen 
>> <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org <mailto:chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>>, 
>> Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org 
>> <mailto:maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>>, Susan Kawaguchi 
>> <susankpolicy at gmail.com <mailto:susankpolicy at gmail.com>>, Phil Corwin 
>> <psc at vlaw-dc.com <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>, Heather Forrest 
>> <haforrestesq at gmail.com <mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>>, icannlists 
>> <icannlists at winston.com <mailto:icannlists at winston.com>>, 
>> "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de 
>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>" 
>> <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de 
>> <mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>>, "harris at cabase.org.ar 
>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>" <harris at cabase.org.ar 
>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>>, Stephanie Perrin 
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>, Rafik Dammak 
>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, Marilia 
>> Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>, 
>> Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu 
>> <mailto:stefania.milan at eui.eu>>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org 
>> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org 
>> <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>, "gnso-secs at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>" <gnso-secs at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-secs at icann.org>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
>>
>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to 
>> identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from 
>> your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in 
>> Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a 
>> direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this 
>> stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but 
>> a request has been made by James to also provide support for the 
>> alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to 
>> attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if 
>> anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate 
>> delegate.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marika
>>
>> *From: *<council-bounces at gnso.icann.org 
>> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>> on behalf of "James M. 
>> Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com <mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>>
>> *Date: *Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
>> *To: *GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org 
>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>> *Subject: *[council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update 
>> on GDPR and Next Steps
>>
>> Councilors -
>>
>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the 
>> subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 
>> delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, 
>> noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
>>
>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet 
>> and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent 
>> their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to 
>> get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names 
>> submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
>>
>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if 
>> we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my 
>> understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are 
>> free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be 
>> support for remote participation options.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> J.
>> -----------------
>> James Bladel
>> GNSO Chair
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> *From:* James M. Bladel
>> *Date:* Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
>> *To:* David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org <mailto:soac-chairs at icann.org>
>> *Cc:* Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
>> *Subject:* Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and 
>> Next Steps
>>
>>     Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
>>
>>     First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety
>>     and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is
>>     necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
>>
>>
>>     That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the
>>     GNSO is not a viable approach.? The GNSO is home to Contracted
>>     Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and
>>     organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property
>>     owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy
>>     advocacy groups.? Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide
>>     on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t
>>     practical.? Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO
>>     and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will
>>     eat me alive.
>>
>>     Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider
>>     expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.? I
>>     expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
>>
>>     Thank you,
>>
>>     J.
>>
>>     ------------------
>>
>>     James Bladel
>>
>>     GNSO Chair
>>
>>     *From:* <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org
>>     <mailto:soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of David Olive
>>     <david.olive at icann.org <mailto:david.olive at icann.org>>
>>     *Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
>>     *To:* SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org
>>     <mailto:soac-chairs at icann.org>>
>>     *Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org
>>     <mailto:goran.marby at icann.org>>, Theresa Swinehart
>>     <theresa.swinehart at icann.org <mailto:theresa.swinehart at icann.org>>
>>     *Subject:* [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and
>>     Next Steps
>>
>>     Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>>
>>     As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in
>>     particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve
>>     undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which
>>     have been published together with a blog updating on progress to
>>     date and next steps.
>>
>>     As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and
>>     possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS
>>     policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs
>>     to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
>>
>>     With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to
>>     a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic,
>>     and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are
>>     still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week
>>     of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not
>>     participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to
>>     invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from
>>     your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel
>>     support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring
>>     remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen
>>     to the roundtable discussion.
>>
>>     Related, the latest postings including the updated user
>>     stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
>>
>>       * New blog:
>>         https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
>>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=>
>>
>>       * Updated user stories/summary document
>>         https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]
>>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=>?(Posted
>>         on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information
>>         page[icann.org]
>>         <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=>)
>>
>>
>>     Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to
>>     following up with you.
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     David
>>
>>     David A. Olive
>>     Senior Vice President
>>
>>     Policy Development Support
>>     Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Mon Sep 18 09:34:40 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:34:40 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
	/ IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <c7d1d69a-4773-5d73-ea4f-0a3db5622226@mail.utoronto.ca>
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 <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
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I support the request for full transparency and the availability of remote participation. I think Stephanie is best placed to be our primary delegate on this topic, if she is available (the dates might overlap with Canadian Thanksgiving). However, if this is taking place at the same time as the WHOIS2 face-to-face in Brussels, she may not require the travel support and we may be able to use the support to bring another person in from further afield? I am thinking Robin, Kathy, Milton... others who know this issue (WHOIS and privacy implications) and have had a longstanding engagement with it. That said, I am but a short train ride from Brussels - I am happy to be an alternate delegate if need be. Thanks!

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> Local Time: 18 September 2017 6:37 AM
> UTC Time: 18 September 2017 05:37
> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>
> I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.  The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.
>
> Stephanie
>
> On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...
>>
>> Bill (observer)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
>>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
>>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>
>>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
>>>
>>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Marika
>>>
>>> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
>>> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
>>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>
>>> Councilors -
>>>
>>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
>>>
>>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
>>>
>>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> J.
>>> -----------------
>>> James Bladel
>>> GNSO Chair
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: James M. Bladel
>>> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
>>> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
>>> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
>>> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>
>>>> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
>>>>
>>>> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> J.
>>>>
>>>> ------------------
>>>>
>>>> James Bladel
>>>>
>>>> GNSO Chair
>>>>
>>>> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
>>>> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
>>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>>
>>>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>>>>
>>>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
>>>>
>>>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
>>>>
>>>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
>>>>
>>>> - New blog: [https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=)
>>>>
>>>> - Updated user stories/summary document [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=) (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information [page[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=))
>>>>
>>>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> David A. Olive
>>>> Senior Vice President
>>>>
>>>> Policy Development Support
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 09:51:44 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:51:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
	/ IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
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Message-ID: <501BCD68-5C28-4F0F-862D-C937B17F59D3@gmail.com>

Hi Rafik,

My understanding is that as a SG, we should send two names (primary and alternate). I may be wrong.

How do you suggest this to be done? Suggesting names here?

Thanks,
Arsene
-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 3:53 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> 
> 
> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
> 
>  
> 
> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Marika
> 
>  
> 
> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
>  
> 
> Councilors -
> 
> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
> 
> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
> 
> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James M. Bladel
> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
> 
>  
> 
> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
> 
> 
> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
> 
>  
> 
> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
> J.
> 
> ------------------
> 
> James Bladel
> 
> GNSO Chair
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
>  
> 
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
> 
>  
> 
> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps. 
> 
>  
> 
> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives. 
> 
>  
> 
> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
> 
>  
> 
> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest: 
> 
>  
> 
> New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
> Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org] (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page[icann.org])
>  
> 
> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you. 
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
>  
> 
> David
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> David A. Olive
> Senior Vice President
> 
> Policy Development Support
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> 
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 09:56:47 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:56:47 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
	/ IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
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This is good if we are able to have many of ours available to physically attend. 

And i agree with insisting on remote participation (though James mentionned it already).

Arsene (observer)

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Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 18, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
> 
> I support the request for full transparency and the availability of remote participation. I think Stephanie is best placed to be our primary delegate on this topic, if she is available (the dates might overlap with Canadian Thanksgiving). However, if this is taking place at the same time as the WHOIS2 face-to-face in Brussels, she may not require the travel support and we may be able to use the support to bring another person in from further afield? I am thinking Robin, Kathy, Milton... others who know this issue (WHOIS and privacy implications) and have had a longstanding engagement with it. That said, I am but a short train ride from Brussels - I am happy to be an alternate delegate if need be. Thanks!
> 
> ?Ayden 
> 
> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>> Local Time: 18 September 2017 6:37 AM
>> UTC Time: 18 September 2017 05:37
>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> 
>> 
>> I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.  The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.
>> 
>> Stephanie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...
>>> 
>>> Bill (observer)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all, 
>>>> 
>>>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
>>>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
>>>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
>>>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Marika
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
>>>> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
>>>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Councilors -
>>>> 
>>>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
>>>> 
>>>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
>>>> 
>>>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>> J.
>>>> -----------------
>>>> James Bladel
>>>> GNSO Chair
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: James M. Bladel
>>>> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
>>>> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
>>>> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
>>>> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> J.
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------
>>>> 
>>>> James Bladel
>>>> 
>>>> GNSO Chair
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 13,                                 2017 at 12:34
>>>> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
>>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest: 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
>>>> Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org] (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page[icann.org])
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards, 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> David
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> David A. Olive
>>>> Senior Vice President
>>>> 
>>>> Policy Development Support
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Sep 18 10:14:37 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 10:14:37 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
 / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
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Message-ID: <20170918071437.szudlo5uuokffl7z@tarvainen.info>

Hi all,

First, of course we should insist on remote participation and
transparency.

But the delegate selection is not so easy.

For we don't have a slot for NCSG, but one guaranteed and one possible
slot for *NCPH*, and NCPH is expected to submit two in priority order.

Which means we'll have to negotiate with CSG, and our chances of
getting one of ours to the top position will depend on who we
offer and how good we are at negotiating with them. On the other
hand same applies in reverse, we could influence their selection
if we are willing to give them the top slot.

As to who we really want to be there, Stephanie is obvious, but if
she's there anyway or can be funded otherwise, it would give us more
flexibility in negotiation with CSG - I don't see anybody else who'd
*really* had to be there, even if it of course would be useful to have
as many of ours in there as possible.

So my first question at this point would be to Stephanie: can you go,
and if so do you have alternative funding options?

Side question to NCUC representatives here: could NCUC fund Stephanie
there in a pinch?

Second, as we cannot simply appoint someone but it'll be a matter
of negotiation, we can't just pick one name here. Or of course we
can and just give it to CSG as non-negotiable position, but I'm
not sure that'd be a good way to go.

Also, I note the dates are apparently still open, specified only as
"first week of October", which makes it a bit difficult for people
to commit themselves.

Finally, while I'm fairly well versed with GDPR and RDS stuff and
could probably be useful there, my ability to attend depends on the
exact dates, even though it's a relatively short flight for me.

Tapani


On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:34:40AM -0400, Ayden F?rdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
> 
> I support the request for full transparency and the availability of remote participation. I think Stephanie is best placed to be our primary delegate on this topic, if she is available (the dates might overlap with Canadian Thanksgiving). However, if this is taking place at the same time as the WHOIS2 face-to-face in Brussels, she may not require the travel support and we may be able to use the support to bring another person in from further afield? I am thinking Robin, Kathy, Milton... others who know this issue (WHOIS and privacy implications) and have had a longstanding engagement with it. That said, I am but a short train ride from Brussels - I am happy to be an alternate delegate if need be. Thanks!
> 
> ?Ayden
> 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> > Local Time: 18 September 2017 6:37 AM
> > UTC Time: 18 September 2017 05:37
> > From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> > To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> >
> > I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.  The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> > On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...
> >>
> >> Bill (observer)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> >>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> >>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> >>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
> >>>
> >>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Marika
> >>>
> >>> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> >>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> >>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>> Councilors -
> >>>
> >>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
> >>>
> >>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
> >>>
> >>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> J.
> >>> -----------------
> >>> James Bladel
> >>> GNSO Chair
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: James M. Bladel
> >>> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> >>> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> >>> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> >>> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>>> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
> >>>>
> >>>> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> J.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> James Bladel
> >>>>
> >>>> GNSO Chair
> >>>>
> >>>> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> >>>> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> >>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> >>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
> >>>>
> >>>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
> >>>>
> >>>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
> >>>>
> >>>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
> >>>>
> >>>> - New blog: [https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=)
> >>>>
> >>>> - Updated user stories/summary document [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=) (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information [page[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=))
> >>>>
> >>>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> David A. Olive
> >>>> Senior Vice President
> >>>>
> >>>> Policy Development Support
> >>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >>


From Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu  Mon Sep 18 11:05:05 2017
From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu (Milan, Stefania)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 08:05:05 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
 / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <20170918071437.szudlo5uuokffl7z@tarvainen.info>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
 <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <FA97DD34-0E81-453A-B492-D10C8F2CAA2B@gmail.com>
 <c7d1d69a-4773-5d73-ea4f-0a3db5622226@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <eFA6Rcz9GGiQ_u7QLdtQoH4LNwYgBeyWZu2z_jAwLGRFwPSsb64W9O3caxxGIhAfKuYcv2WyjucBTyK2mJz-RrrSgaGfO86BSN5s3hFvZ_w=@ferdeline.com>,
 <20170918071437.szudlo5uuokffl7z@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <AM4PR05MB333222453DA0082B4E75900AF7630@AM4PR05MB3332.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Tapani for the overview. Depending on dates and if other committments are not on the way, I plan to attend as well and support Stephanie and/or whoever we will select. I know a fair bit about GDPR, and it is a short train ride from Amsterdam to Brussels.

I tend to agree with Ayden, that we need someone not only GDPR expertise but especially well versed in the history of these issues so far.
Stefania
________________________________________
Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Inviato: luned? 18 settembre 2017 09:14:37
A: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
Oggetto: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps

Hi all,

First, of course we should insist on remote participation and
transparency.

But the delegate selection is not so easy.

For we don't have a slot for NCSG, but one guaranteed and one possible
slot for *NCPH*, and NCPH is expected to submit two in priority order.

Which means we'll have to negotiate with CSG, and our chances of
getting one of ours to the top position will depend on who we
offer and how good we are at negotiating with them. On the other
hand same applies in reverse, we could influence their selection
if we are willing to give them the top slot.

As to who we really want to be there, Stephanie is obvious, but if
she's there anyway or can be funded otherwise, it would give us more
flexibility in negotiation with CSG - I don't see anybody else who'd
*really* had to be there, even if it of course would be useful to have
as many of ours in there as possible.

So my first question at this point would be to Stephanie: can you go,
and if so do you have alternative funding options?

Side question to NCUC representatives here: could NCUC fund Stephanie
there in a pinch?

Second, as we cannot simply appoint someone but it'll be a matter
of negotiation, we can't just pick one name here. Or of course we
can and just give it to CSG as non-negotiable position, but I'm
not sure that'd be a good way to go.

Also, I note the dates are apparently still open, specified only as
"first week of October", which makes it a bit difficult for people
to commit themselves.

Finally, while I'm fairly well versed with GDPR and RDS stuff and
could probably be useful there, my ability to attend depends on the
exact dates, even though it's a relatively short flight for me.

Tapani


On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 02:34:40AM -0400, Ayden F?rdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
>
> I support the request for full transparency and the availability of remote participation. I think Stephanie is best placed to be our primary delegate on this topic, if she is available (the dates might overlap with Canadian Thanksgiving). However, if this is taking place at the same time as the WHOIS2 face-to-face in Brussels, she may not require the travel support and we may be able to use the support to bring another person in from further afield? I am thinking Robin, Kathy, Milton... others who know this issue (WHOIS and privacy implications) and have had a longstanding engagement with it. That said, I am but a short train ride from Brussels - I am happy to be an alternate delegate if need be. Thanks!
>
> ?Ayden
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> > Local Time: 18 September 2017 6:37 AM
> > UTC Time: 18 September 2017 05:37
> > From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> > To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> >
> > I think we should insist on remote participation and full transparency.  The registrars are all going to be at the Centr conference.
> >
> > Stephanie
> >
> > On 2017-09-18 01:23, William Drake wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Are they planning on having remote participation? If not can we request? I'd be keen to participate if the date works and am undoubtedly not alone in this...
> >>
> >> Bill (observer)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Sep 18, 2017, at 03:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> >>> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> >>> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> >>> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
> >>>
> >>> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and alternate delegate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Marika
> >>>
> >>> From: <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> >>> Date: Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> >>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> >>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>> Councilors -
> >>>
> >>> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
> >>>
> >>> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David, Theresa, and G?ran.
> >>>
> >>> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote participation options.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
> >>> J.
> >>> -----------------
> >>> James Bladel
> >>> GNSO Chair
> >>>
> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>> From: James M. Bladel
> >>> Date: Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> >>> To: David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> >>> Cc: Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> >>> Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>
> >>>> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
> >>>>
> >>>> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to fill in some of what we currently do not know.
> >>>>
> >>>> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users, civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me alive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you,
> >>>>
> >>>> J.
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> James Bladel
> >>>>
> >>>> GNSO Chair
> >>>>
> >>>> From: <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> >>>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> >>>> To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> >>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> >>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
> >>>>
> >>>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
> >>>>
> >>>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
> >>>>
> >>>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
> >>>>
> >>>> - New blog: [https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=)
> >>>>
> >>>> - Updated user stories/summary document [https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=) (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information [page[icann.org]](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=))
> >>>>
> >>>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> David A. Olive
> >>>> Senior Vice President
> >>>>
> >>>> Policy Development Support
> >>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
> >>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Mon Sep 18 11:48:58 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:48:58 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
 / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2bbce1bef84246c4bc8113cfec1592dc@PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG>
 <CAH5sThmr_THnQ1oxNrSmKeKSujDrCrRSTPSXkf5VDB9ZsYnA4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEux40tkmZHu=6mvUYa=X7fGLYwRH3dXDJQ=83SVvWGOF7P2sg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Rafik,

Thanks for the update on this, can I suggest Robin as a our rep on this
urgent need for rep .

Kind Regards

Poncelet

On 18 September 2017 at 02:53, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We need to act on this matter. If I understand correctly, either it will
> be a representative by House or if we can 1 representative by SG.
> We need to suggest a name from our side asap.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Terri Agnew <terri.agnew at icann.org>
> Date: 2017-09-16 0:37 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT
> REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "
> ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org"
> <joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "
> plommer at gmail.com" <plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <
> farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>, Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle
> Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <
> maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>, Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil
> Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>, Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>,
> icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>, "Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <
> Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "harris at cabase.org.ar" <
> harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
> "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <
> rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>,
> Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <
> tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
> Cc: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, Mary Wong <
> mary.wong at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,
>
>
>
> Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to
> identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your
> House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share
> your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the
> EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only
> available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to
> also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also
> open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what
> staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and
> alternate delegate.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Marika
>
>
>
> *From: *<council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <
> jbladel at godaddy.com>
> *Date: *Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
> *To: *GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> *Subject: *[council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on
> GDPR and Next Steps
>
>
>
> Councilors -
>
> See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the
> subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates
> from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this
> is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.
>
> While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and
> identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their
> House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this
> started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David,
> Theresa, and G?ran.
>
> If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we
> are granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my
> understanding is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to
> attend the meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for
> remote participation options.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> *From:* James M. Bladel
> *Date:* Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
> *To:* David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
> *Cc:* Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
> *Subject:* Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next
> Steps
>
> Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?
>
>
>
> First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and
> uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to
> fill in some of what we currently do not know.
>
>
> That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is
> not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries
> and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the
> interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users,
> civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of
> stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all
> views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO
> and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me
> alive.
>
>
>
> Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the
> GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more
> folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> J.
>
> ------------------
>
> James Bladel
>
> GNSO Chair
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <
> david.olive at icann.org>
> *Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
> *To:* SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> *Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
> theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>
>
>
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>
>
>
> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to
> the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to
> receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with
> a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
>
>
>
> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible
> implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to
> give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to
> provide their perspectives.
>
>
>
> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a
> roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a
> direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining
> the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN
> organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In
> preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2
> representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited
> travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote
> participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable
> discussion.
>
>
>
> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary
> document are listed below and may be of interest:
>
>
>
>    - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-pr
>    ivacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=>
>    - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org
>    /en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-
>    en.pdf[icann.org]
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=> (Posted
>    on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information
>    page[icann.org]
>    <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=>)
>
>
>
>
> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following
> up with you.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David A. Olive
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>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Sep 19 18:07:34 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:07:34 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
Message-ID: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>

https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf

I think We need to respond to this with our own history.? If we get it 
written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will be at 
the International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on 
September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and 
Canatacci on the ICANN panel.? Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are 
there.....

cheers Stephanie

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Sep 19 18:17:13 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:17:13 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <hdN83pJfjqR-2pJFWzTVrVeenvrAnVbv8g4hxSFsOgHeViX9ZFNsjknVoiylF1V8u_6jASYN9Kj5OGajgH_cXI1Sn3NHUEchl3RnmWlJpjg=@ferdeline.com>

Thank you for sharing this letter, Stephanie. I had not seen it, even though from the date it seems ICANN sent it a week ago.

I agree we should respond. It is not actually all that clear to me what Goran is asking of Giovanni Buttarelli. Is it just a spontaneous update on ICANN's non-compliance with EU data protection legislation? Why would Buttarelli care? Why are they writing to him?

The public matrix they have sent, which despite their claims that it was developed by the community, well it wasn't really... The version they have sent to Buttarelli and their legal counsel, and who knows who else, was made public to us after being sent to these parties, and it does not include a faithful summary of my submission.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
> Local Time: 19 September 2017 4:07 PM
> UTC Time: 19 September 2017 15:07
> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>
> I think We need to respond to this with our own history.  If we get it written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will be at the International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and Canatacci on the ICANN panel.  Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are there.....
>
> cheers Stephanie
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Sep 19 18:18:42 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:18:42 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <hdN83pJfjqR-2pJFWzTVrVeenvrAnVbv8g4hxSFsOgHeViX9ZFNsjknVoiylF1V8u_6jASYN9Kj5OGajgH_cXI1Sn3NHUEchl3RnmWlJpjg=@ferdeline.com>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Message-ID: <b7cd56ff-d607-05e0-e983-a32a8bc7acc4@mail.utoronto.ca>

well possibly it has something to do with this:

*6. Council of Europe (CoE) and ICANN *

*Topic:*

	

ICANN and Privacy

*Speaker(s):*

	

?Jan Kleijssen, Director of Information Society and Action against 
Crime, Council of Europe

?Joseph Cannataci, UN Special Rapporteur on Right to privacy, UN

?Giovanni Buttarelli, European Data Protection Supervisor, EU

?Theresa Swineheart, Senior Vice President, ICANN

?Becky Burr, Member of the Board, ICANN

*Description:*

	

This event will aim at discussing the relevance of privacy and data 
protection considerations and inclusions into ICANN policies and will 
contribute to a better mutual understanding of the underlying privacy 
issues.

*Time/Venue:*

	

27 Sep 2017 1:30pm ? 3pm; Camomile (Lower Level II)

*Prior Registration:*

	

Not Required


On 2017-09-19 11:17, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Thank you for sharing this letter, Stephanie. I had not seen it, even 
> though from the date it seems ICANN sent it a week ago.
>
> I agree we should respond. It is not actually all that clear to me 
> what Goran is asking of Giovanni Buttarelli. Is it just a spontaneous 
> update on ICANN's non-compliance with EU data protection legislation? 
> Why would?Buttarelli care? Why are they writing to him?
>
> The public matrix they have sent, which despite their claims that it 
> was developed by the community, well it wasn't really... The version 
> they have sent to Buttarelli and their legal counsel, and who knows 
> who else, was made public to us /after/ being sent to these parties, 
> and it does not include a faithful summary of my submission.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
>> Local Time: 19 September 2017 4:07 PM
>> UTC Time: 19 September 2017 15:07
>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>>
>> I think We need to respond to this with our own history.? If we get 
>> it written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will be 
>> at the International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on 
>> September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and 
>> Canatacci on the ICANN panel.? Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are 
>> there.....
>>
>> cheers Stephanie
>>
>

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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Sep 19 18:20:12 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:20:12 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <b7cd56ff-d607-05e0-e983-a32a8bc7acc4@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <hdN83pJfjqR-2pJFWzTVrVeenvrAnVbv8g4hxSFsOgHeViX9ZFNsjknVoiylF1V8u_6jASYN9Kj5OGajgH_cXI1Sn3NHUEchl3RnmWlJpjg=@ferdeline.com>
 <b7cd56ff-d607-05e0-e983-a32a8bc7acc4@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <f2d52fa7-23c3-593c-30fd-1046ef8382e8@mail.utoronto.ca>

I also hear that they are rejecting the idea that ICANN is a data 
controller (it is all the community, don't you know.....)

Like we got a chance to influence the 2013 RAA>

(sorry, really grouchy about the non-transparent way all this stuff is 
happening.

SP


On 2017-09-19 11:18, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
>
> well possibly it has something to do with this:
>
> *6. Council of Europe (CoE) and ICANN *
>
> *Topic:*
>
> 	
>
> ICANN and Privacy
>
> *Speaker(s):*
>
> 	
>
> ?Jan Kleijssen, Director of Information Society and Action against 
> Crime, Council of Europe
>
> ?Joseph Cannataci, UN Special Rapporteur on Right to privacy, UN
>
> ?Giovanni Buttarelli, European Data Protection Supervisor, EU
>
> ?Theresa Swineheart, Senior Vice President, ICANN
>
> ?Becky Burr, Member of the Board, ICANN
>
> *Description:*
>
> 	
>
> This event will aim at discussing the relevance of privacy and data 
> protection considerations and inclusions into ICANN policies and will 
> contribute to a better mutual understanding of the underlying privacy 
> issues.
>
> *Time/Venue:*
>
> 	
>
> 27 Sep 2017 1:30pm ? 3pm; Camomile (Lower Level II)
>
> *Prior Registration:*
>
> 	
>
> Not Required
>
>
> On 2017-09-19 11:17, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> Thank you for sharing this letter, Stephanie. I had not seen it, even 
>> though from the date it seems ICANN sent it a week ago.
>>
>> I agree we should respond. It is not actually all that clear to me 
>> what Goran is asking of Giovanni Buttarelli. Is it just a spontaneous 
>> update on ICANN's non-compliance with EU data protection legislation? 
>> Why would?Buttarelli care? Why are they writing to him?
>>
>> The public matrix they have sent, which despite their claims that it 
>> was developed by the community, well it wasn't really... The version 
>> they have sent to Buttarelli and their legal counsel, and who knows 
>> who else, was made public to us /after/ being sent to these parties, 
>> and it does not include a faithful summary of my submission.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
>>> Local Time: 19 September 2017 4:07 PM
>>> UTC Time: 19 September 2017 15:07
>>> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>>>
>>> I think We need to respond to this with our own history.? If we get 
>>> it written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will 
>>> be at the International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, 
>>> on September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and 
>>> Canatacci on the ICANN panel.? Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are 
>>> there.....
>>>
>>> cheers Stephanie
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 05:17:50 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 11:17:50 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnNs34J12iGKtb-NsKtVs-BJ8HQCZbsEwROs_3WXMn7Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephanie,

thanks for sharing this,
can I assume that you are volunteering to draft a response from NCSG?
I also still think that we need an official request to Goran to clarify why
our representatives to GDPR taskforce are not kept informed.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-20 0:07 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:

> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/
> marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>
> I think We need to respond to this with our own history.  If we get it
> written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will be at the
> International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on September 24,
> to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and Canatacci on the ICANN
> panel.  Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are there.....
>
> cheers Stephanie
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Thu Sep 21 07:21:46 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 00:21:46 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnNs34J12iGKtb-NsKtVs-BJ8HQCZbsEwROs_3WXMn7Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
 <CAH5sThnNs34J12iGKtb-NsKtVs-BJ8HQCZbsEwROs_3WXMn7Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c08d622d-4af7-ba2e-72a1-dc3e0a2d9651@mail.utoronto.ca>

Yes, I was thinking we send our own letter to Buttarelli.? Something 
like, "as you know, having come to ICANN at our invitation in 2004, 
ICANN has been ignoring privacy rights for the last 19 years...."

But we should inform Goran of our long history and accurate opinions on 
this matter...

cheers steph

PS so sure, two letters....



On 2017-09-20 22:17, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> thanks for sharing this,
> can I assume that you are volunteering to draft a response from NCSG?
> I also still think that we need an official request to Goran to 
> clarify why our representatives to GDPR taskforce are not kept informed.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-20 0:07 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin 
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca 
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>
>     https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>     <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf>
>
>     I think We need to respond to this with our own history.? If we
>     get it written on time, I would try to get one of our members who
>     will be at the International data commissioners conference in Hong
>     Kong, on September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to
>     Buttarelli and Canatacci on the ICANN panel. Teresa Swineheart and
>     Becky Burr are there.....
>
>     cheers Stephanie
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Sep 21 10:07:11 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:07:11 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: FW: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership
 / IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR07MB2318605762E4B27A2B88A0EAD5610@SN1PR07MB2318.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR07MB2318CF5B8F3D170C8A733909D5610@SN1PR07MB2318.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi all,

please find NCPH proposal about slot split for GDPR meeting.
I think our position is: we request 1 slot per SG (4 slots for GNSO). in
case of 1 slot by the house, we get 1/2 and CSG split the 1/2 among
themselves.
still, we need to get more details about the meetings dates, remote
participation availability etc.
Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com>
Date: 2017-09-21 8:51 GMT+09:00
Subject: FW: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT
REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
To: "ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, Rafik Dammak
<rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Cc: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "James M. Bladel" <
jbladel at godaddy.com>


Tapani and Rafik,



I wanted to share with you the CSG proposal to ICANN re: funding allocation
and delegates for the proposed roundtable meeting in Brussels with the EC
and DPAs regarding GDPR.  As noted below, we?ve asked for partial funding
for 1 delegate, but noted we?d like to have a delegate from each CSG
constituency at the meeting.  Assuming there are only 2 funding slots,
presumably splitting the 2 slots 4 ways would provide for partial funding
for 1 NSG delegate and would allow for greater participation from the GNSO
and the NCPH.  If James is successful in obtaining 4 funded slots, we
assume that NSG would get 1 full slot, CSG would get 1 full slot, and the
CPH would get 2 slots.  Please let us know if you have any questions or
would like to set up a call to discuss.  We look forward to hearing from
you.



Regards,



Vicky Sheckler

VP for the IPC



*From:* Victoria Sheckler
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:48 AM
*To:* David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>; 'theresa.swinehart at icann.org' <
theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
*Cc:* 'James M. Bladel' <jbladel at godaddy.com>; Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben <
wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>; Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>;
Bradley Silver (Bradley.Silver at timewarner.com) <
Bradley.Silver at timewarner.com>; 'Alex_Deacon at mpaa.org' <Alex_Deacon at mpaa.org>;
csg-excomm at icann.org; 'terri.agnew at icann.org' <terri.agnew at icann.org>;
'Marika Konings' <marika.konings at icann.org>; 'mary.wong at icann.org' <
mary.wong at icann.org>; 'goran.marby at icann.org' <goran.marby at icann.org>
*Subject:* FW: Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership / IMPORTANT
REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps



On behalf of the constituencies forming the CSG, we propose the following
delegate participants for the GDPR Brussels roundtable meeting to be
scheduled for the first week of October:



   - For the Business Constituency:                                  Susan
   Kawaguchi.  I understand that Susan will be in Brussels that week, and does
   not require funding at this time.
   - For the ISPCP:
                   Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben (or his designee).  I understand that
   Wolf also does not require funding at this time.
   - For the Intellectual Property Constituency:          Bradley Silver.
   This delegate would prefer partial ICANN funding to attend this event if
   the GNSO only receives 2 funding slots.



As I believe James has mentioned to you, there are several views among the
GNSO stakeholders on this issue, including within the CSG, and we believe
it is important that each constituency of the CSG be represented at this
meeting.  In light of this, we reiterate James? request to have at least 4
delegates from the GNSO funded to this event.   If that is not possible, we
hope the solution proposed above re partial funding will work.



Please confirm the date of the roundtable and that these delegates will be
able to participate in the roundtable.  Please also provide further details
about the roundtable.  Also, please note that if the meeting is delayed
past the first week of October, we may need to seek additional funding
and/or substitute delegates, depending upon the schedule.



We look forward to hearing from you.



Regards,



Vicky Sheckler

VP for the IPC



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: *Terri Agnew* <terri.agnew at icann.org>
Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:37 AM
Subject: [Csg-excomm] Attention Non-Contracted Party House leadership /
IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>, "
ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, "joan at npoc.org" <
joan at npoc.org>, "joankerr at fbsc.org" <joankerr at fbsc.org>, "plommer at gmail.com"
<plommer at gmail.com>, "farzaneh.badii at gmail.com" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>,
Johan Helsingius <julf at julf.com>, Chantelle Doerksen <
chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>, Maryam Bakoshi <maryam.bakoshi at icann.org>,
Susan Kawaguchi <susankpolicy at gmail.com>, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>,
Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, icannlists <icannlists at winston.com>,
"Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de" <Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de>, "
harris at cabase.org.ar" <harris at cabase.org.ar>, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>, "mpsilvavalent at gmail.com" <
mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Marilia
Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>, "
tatiana.tropina at gmail.com" <tatiana.tropina at gmail.com>
Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>, Marika Konings <
marika.konings at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>

Dear Non-Contracted Party House leadership,



Please see the message below from James Bladel. You are requested to
identify as soon as possible a primary and alternate delegate from your
House to receive travel support to attend a roundtable in Brussels to share
your perspectives on the topic of GDPR, and have a direct dialogue with the
EC and available DPAs. Note that at this stage travel support is only
available for the primary delegate, but a request has been made by James to
also provide support for the alternate. Also note that the meeting is also
open to others to attend at their own expense. Please let us know what
staff can do, if anything, to facilitate your selection of the primary and
alternate delegate.



Thanks,



Marika



*From: *<council-bounces at gnso.icann.org> on behalf of "James M. Bladel" <
jbladel at godaddy.com>
*Date: *Friday, September 15, 2017 at 16:12
*To: *GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
*Subject: *[council] Fwd: Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on
GDPR and Next Steps



Councilors -

See thread below. ICANN is convening a round table discussion on the
subject of GDPR in Brussels in early October, and will support 2 delegates
from each SO/AC. I have also included my reply to David, noting that this
is not sufficient to capture all views within the GNSO.

While ICANN considers this, however, we need the SGs and Cs to meet and
identify 2 candidate (one primary and one alternate) to represent their
House in Brussels. GNSO Staff will contact the SG/C leaders to get this
started. I'll then work with Staff to get these names submitted to David,
Theresa, and G?ran.

If we are limited to 2 travelers, then the Primaries will go, but if we are
granted 4, we'll call up the Alternates as well. Note that my understanding
is that these will be open discussions, and folks are free to attend the
meeting on their own. I expect there will also be support for remote
participation options.


Thank you,

J.
-----------------
James Bladel
GNSO Chair



---------- Forwarded message ----------
*From:* James M. Bladel
*Date:* Sep 13, 2017, 15:48 -0700
*To:* David Olive , soac-chairs at icann.org
*Cc:* Goran Marby , Theresa Swinehart
*Subject:* Re: [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next
Steps

Dear David, G?ran, and SO/AC Colleagues ?



First off, many thanks to ICANN for convening this group. Anxiety and
uncertainty surrounding GDPR is high, and urgent action is necessary to
fill in some of what we currently do not know.


That said, I must note that allocating 2 representatives from the GNSO is
not a viable approach.  The GNSO is home to Contracted Parties (Registries
and Registrars), along with individuals and organizations representing the
interests of Intellectual Property owners, Business & Commercial users,
civil society, and privacy advocacy groups.  Asking this spectrum of
stakeholders to decide on 2 delegates who are capable of representing all
views isn?t practical.  Or, to put it another way, if I go back to the GNSO
and ask for two slots for a high-level GDPR meeting, my SO will eat me
alive.



Therefore, I am respectfully requesting that ICANN consider expanding the
GNSO delegation to a minimum of 4 individuals.  I expect that many more
folks from the GNSO will attend on their own.



Thank you,



J.

------------------

James Bladel

GNSO Chair





*From:* <soac-chairs-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of David Olive <
david.olive at icann.org>
*Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 12:34
*To:* SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>
*Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
*Subject:* [soac-chairs] IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps



Dear SO/AC Chairs:



As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to
the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to
receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with
a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.



As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible
implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to
give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to
provide their perspectives.



With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a
roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a
direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining
the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN
organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In
preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2
representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited
travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote
participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable
discussion.



Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary
document are listed below and may be of interest:



   - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-
   privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_blog_data-2Dprotection-2Dand-2Dprivacy-2Dprogress-2Dupdate-2Dand-2Dnext-2Dsteps&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=Esec454-x6BQ79nlua9nfMmSvgBFfdxGbFpO2wPgbDE&e=>
   - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.
   org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-
   11sep17-en.pdf[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_en_system_files_files_gdpr-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2Dwhois-2D11sep17-2Den.pdf&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=y2Gfac-753MPuebPwx1SVyx6v6nsvmfFRvE2MtAtOH8&e=>
    (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information
   page[icann.org]
   <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_resources_pages_gtld-2Dregistration-2Ddataflow-2Dmatrix-2D2017-2D07-2D24-2Den&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=7_PQAir-9nJQ2uB2cWiTDDDo5Hfy5HL9rSTe65iXLVM&m=sbjs9BcxtYL3zDD9W0oshB0k68CPRRR1mG3_0VNj6iA&s=ogaMrsH_3Zru4JOnAhkqiXkshDH-jh6AHhwDxQPsCxc&e=>)




Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up
with you.



Best regards,



David









David A. Olive
Senior Vice President

Policy Development Support
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)




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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 04:53:30 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 10:53:30 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next
	Steps
In-Reply-To: <5ee6e7dc-cb1e-48b4-8d04-993c55b13f2c@Spark>
References: <C292CAC6-5646-4D47-81A3-78CDCF0B5282@icann.org>
 <5ee6e7dc-cb1e-48b4-8d04-993c55b13f2c@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=hNzzPoOKzv4eAKvCNRVXgo5t=eMn5gpSuJ6tHN7M6=w@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

The Brussels meeting is postponed but there are also other planned
discussions within the community in coming weeks.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>
Date: 2017-09-23 7:24 GMT+09:00
Subject: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>


Colleagues, see below.

The Brussels Roundtable idea is off, but may be revisited after Abu Dhabi.
Folks gathering in Brussels for the RDS F2F may hold a separate session.

Thank you,

J.
-----------------
James Bladel
GNSO Chair

---------- Forwarded message ----------
*From:* David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
*Date:* Sep 22, 2017, 16:18 -0500
*To:* soac-chairs at icann.org <soac-chairs at icann.org>
*Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
*Subject:* [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps

Dear SO/AC Chairs:



I wanted to follow up to my email of September 13th 2017.



As I mentioned, we have been exploring organizing a roundtable for the
first week of October. Unfortunately, we need to postpone until after
ICANN60 due to stakeholder commitments and other meetings in Brussels at
the same time. We will come back to you with a proposed date for this
meeting as soon as possible.



I understand that many of our community are in Brussels anyway the first
week in October. I appreciate that some of you may wish to use this
opportunity to get together for an ?open house? style meeting, allowing
you to discuss GDPR and share your updates and new perspectives. If that?s
the case, please let us know and ICANN will organize this at our offices on
October 5th 2017, including providing some limited funding for the meeting.
Please let Diana Middleton (diana.middleton at icann.org) know as soon as
possible if you plan to be in Brussels that week anyway and would find such
a meeting useful so that we can plan accordingly.



In addition, we plan to hold an open webinar for the SO/ACs before ICANN60.
The intent of this webinar will be to get your input on the scope of
the ICANN organization?s facilitation efforts on GDPR. We are pulling
together details on the webinar now and will share more information shortly.



We look forward to continuing to work with you and your communities on
facilitating a community discussion about GDPR ? including the
cross-community session at ICANN60. Please communicate your feedback
regarding this session to Cyrus Namazi (cyrus.namazi at icann.org) who is the
senior staff coordinator for this session at ICANN60.



Best regards,



David





David A. Olive
Senior Vice President

Policy Development Support
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)





*From:* David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
*Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM
*To:* "soac-chairs at icann.org" <soac-chairs at icann.org>
*Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
*Subject:* IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps



Dear SO/AC Chairs:



As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to
the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to
receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with
a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.



As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible
implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to
give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to
provide their perspectives.



With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a
roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a
direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining
the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN
organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In
preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2
representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited
travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote
participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable
discussion.



Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary
document are listed below and may be of interest:



   - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-
   privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps
   <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps>
   - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.
   org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf
   <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf>
(Posted
   on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page
   <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-dataflow-matrix-2017-07-24-en>
   )



Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up
with you.



Best regards,



David









David A. Olive
Senior Vice President

Policy Development Support
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)


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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Sep 23 09:46:10 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 08:46:10 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and
	Next Steps
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References: <C292CAC6-5646-4D47-81A3-78CDCF0B5282@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <294C1D4B-3BF7-4A8B-98B6-FFAFBA9EF1C8@gmail.com>

Thanks Rafik,

Do we have our members in Brussels on that date? Are we interested in attending that meeting at icann offices in Brussels?

Thanks,
Arsene (observer)

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:53 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi all, 
> 
> The Brussels meeting is postponed but there are also other planned discussions within the community in coming weeks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Date: 2017-09-23 7:24 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> 
> 
> Colleagues, see below.
> 
> The Brussels Roundtable idea is off, but may be revisited after Abu Dhabi. Folks gathering in Brussels for the RDS F2F may hold a separate session.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> Date: Sep 22, 2017, 16:18 -0500
> To: soac-chairs at icann.org <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> Subject: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> 
>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I wanted to follow up to my email of September 13th 2017. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As I mentioned, we have been exploring organizing a roundtable for the first week of October. Unfortunately, we need to postpone until after ICANN60 due to stakeholder commitments and other meetings in Brussels at the same time. We will come back to you with a proposed date for this meeting as soon as possible.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I understand that many of our community are in Brussels anyway the first week in October. I appreciate that some of you may wish to use this opportunity to get together for an ?open house? style meeting, allowing you to discuss GDPR and share your updates and new perspectives. If that?s the case, please let us know and ICANN will organize this at our offices on October 5th 2017, including providing some limited funding for the meeting. Please let Diana Middleton (diana.middleton at icann.org) know as soon as possible if you plan to be in Brussels that week anyway and would find such a meeting useful so that we can plan accordingly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In addition, we plan to hold an open webinar for the SO/ACs before ICANN60. The intent of this webinar will be to get your input on the scope of the ICANN organization?s facilitation efforts on GDPR. We are pulling together details on the webinar now and will share more information shortly.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We look forward to continuing to work with you and your communities on facilitating a community discussion about GDPR ? including the cross-community session at ICANN60. Please communicate your feedback regarding this session to Cyrus Namazi (cyrus.namazi at icann.org) who is the senior staff coordinator for this session at ICANN60.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best regards,    
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> David A. Olive
>> Senior Vice President
>> 
>> Policy Development Support
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM
>> To: "soac-chairs at icann.org" <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
>> Subject: IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest: 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps
>> Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page)
>>  
>> 
>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Best regards, 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> David A. Olive
>> Senior Vice President
>> 
>> Policy Development Support
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>> 
> 
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From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 07:11:00 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and
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I wonder what the "stakeholder commitments" were. It is not as though ICANN consulted with us to see if we had representatives who were available to participate; which stakeholders had commitments at that time which precluded their participation, and how did ICANN staff come to be aware of this, I wonder? If it sounds like I am not so subtly insinuating that other stakeholder groups are being consulted informally and we are not being involved in these conversations, I very much.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> Local Time: 23 September 2017 2:53 AM
> UTC Time: 23 September 2017 01:53
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi all,
>
> The Brussels meeting is postponed but there are also other planned discussions within the community in coming weeks.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Date: 2017-09-23 7:24 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>
> Colleagues, see below.
>
> The Brussels Roundtable idea is off, but may be revisited after Abu Dhabi. Folks gathering in Brussels for the RDS F2F may hold a separate session.
>
> Thank you,
>
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> Date: Sep 22, 2017, 16:18 -0500
> To: soac-chairs at icann.org <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> Subject: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>
>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>>
>> I wanted to follow up to my email of September 13th 2017.
>>
>> As I mentioned, we have been exploring organizing a roundtable for the first week of October. Unfortunately, we need to postpone until after ICANN60 due to stakeholder commitments and other meetings in Brussels at the same time. We will come back to you with a proposed date for this meeting as soon as possible.
>>
>> I understand that many of our community are in Brussels anyway the first week in October. I appreciate that some of you may wish to use this opportunity to get together for an ?open house? style meeting, allowing you to discuss GDPR and share your updates and new perspectives. If that?s the case, please let us know and ICANN will organize this at our offices on October 5th 2017, including providing some limited funding for the meeting. Please let Diana Middleton (diana.middleton at icann.org) know as soon as possible if you plan to be in Brussels that week anyway and would find such a meeting useful so that we can plan accordingly.
>>
>> In addition, we plan to hold an open webinar for the SO/ACs before ICANN60. The intent of this webinar will be to get your input on the scope of the ICANN organization?s facilitation efforts on GDPR. We are pulling together details on the webinar now and will share more information shortly.
>>
>> We look forward to continuing to work with you and your communities on facilitating a community discussion about GDPR ? including the cross-community session at ICANN60. Please communicate your feedback regarding this session to Cyrus Namazi (cyrus.namazi at icann.org) who is the senior staff coordinator for this session at ICANN60.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> David A. Olive
>> Senior Vice President
>>
>> Policy Development Support
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>
>> From:  David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM
>> To: "soac-chairs at icann.org" <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
>> Subject: IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>>
>> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>>
>> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
>>
>> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to provide their perspectives.
>>
>> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2 representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable discussion.
>>
>> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary document are listed below and may be of interest:
>>
>> - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps
>>
>> - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf (Posted on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information [page](https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-dataflow-matrix-2017-07-24-en))
>>
>> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following up with you.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
>> David A. Olive
>> Senior Vice President
>>
>> Policy Development Support
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Sep 24 01:17:26 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:17:26 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Review of draft comment for SADAG report
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkjTozD1cNWjCTF4oJkuBSxP=6TAMZXuHu0BhX4OSHa5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Rafik,

Just a suggestion, can we perhaps ask Sam, our resident NCSG economist, to work with Farell to get this comment into shape, incorporating where appropriate the comments from Milton, Enrique, and Nick on the list?

Best wishes, Ayden

P.S. Thanks to Farell for drafting it!

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Review of draft comment for SADAG report
> Local Time: 18 September 2017 2:50 AM
> UTC Time: 18 September 2017 01:50
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please find a draft comment made by Farell (https://docs.google.com/document/d/10K4cnqMrhRnF1mZFtBbQKpzGNMBcZv2OCjvly_8eYoQ/edit) on Statistical Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs (SADAG) Report.
>
> The deadline for submission is the 19th Sept, but we can ask for late submission. We should target this Friday for approval. Farell will send the draft to NCSG list for consultation.
> You will find attached the study but also some summary material prepared by Farell. I would like to thank Farell for the work done with regard to review the study
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Sep 24 01:28:00 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2017 18:28:00 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
In-Reply-To: <c08d622d-4af7-ba2e-72a1-dc3e0a2d9651@mail.utoronto.ca>
References: <920c7838-f282-0119-6122-360e815ae764@mail.utoronto.ca>
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Which of our members will be at this conference in Hong Kong who could potentially hand deliver our response to Buttarelli and Canatacci? From Twitter I gather Fanny Hidvegi from AccessNow will be in attendance.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goran letter on data protection
> Local Time: 21 September 2017 5:21 AM
> UTC Time: 21 September 2017 04:21
> From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Yes, I was thinking we send our own letter to Buttarelli.  Something like, "as you know, having come to ICANN at our invitation in 2004, ICANN has been ignoring privacy rights for the last 19 years...."
>
> But we should inform Goran of our long history and accurate opinions on this matter...
>
> cheers steph
>
> PS so sure, two letters....
>
> On 2017-09-20 22:17, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephanie,
>>
>> thanks for sharing this,
>> can I assume that you are volunteering to draft a response from NCSG?
>> I also still think that we need an official request to Goran to clarify why our representatives to GDPR taskforce are not kept informed.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-09-20 0:07 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-buttarelli-12sep17-en.pdf
>>>
>>> I think We need to respond to this with our own history.  If we get it written on time, I would try to get one of our members who will be at the International data commissioners conference in Hong Kong, on September 24, to hand it (or read parts of it) to Buttarelli and Canatacci on the ICANN panel.  Teresa Swineheart and Becky Burr are there.....
>>>
>>> cheers Stephanie
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 07:47:28 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:47:28 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Review of draft comment for SADAG report
In-Reply-To: <HSDZR0xO-wd69JA7LRR_hH3JYQxTvFphG8jjSAbFgQmgnVhtP60WpRAzaXGVPIpaqMuBWEbUts_Wd7nocW6Fs4XtM3SMKvWgD-yyEVxz3B8=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi,

The official deadline was postponed to 29th Sept, so we got more extra time
for review and editing with the members' comments. we can also check what
was submitted from other groups.
@Farell, can you please include the comments received on the list?

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-24 7:17 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> Just a suggestion, can we perhaps ask Sam, our resident NCSG economist, to
> work with Farell to get this comment into shape, incorporating where
> appropriate the comments from Milton, Enrique, and Nick on the list?
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
> P.S. Thanks to Farell for drafting it!
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Review of draft comment for SADAG report
> Local Time: 18 September 2017 2:50 AM
> UTC Time: 18 September 2017 01:50
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>, Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Please find a draft comment made by Farell (https://docs.google.com/
> document/d/10K4cnqMrhRnF1mZFtBbQKpzGNMBcZv2OCjvly_8eYoQ/edit) on Statistical
> Analysis of DNS Abuse in gTLDs (SADAG) Report.
>
> The deadline for submission is the 19th Sept, but we can ask for late
> submission. We should target this Friday for approval. Farell will send the
> draft to NCSG list for consultation.
> You will find attached the study but also some summary material
> prepared by Farell. I would like to thank Farell for the work done with
> regard to review the study
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Sep 25 07:56:45 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 13:56:45 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and
 Next Steps
In-Reply-To: <FOXdkyC1bVviJ8yNntogTYOqChxTwRfvfyDmRaQKPuz2qi0bDouxhKInGxe8hN0D-a_hZ72Ez17GBCUaiQ-rCZQjvBAcbWBOD-ex60c61RY=@ferdeline.com>
References: <C292CAC6-5646-4D47-81A3-78CDCF0B5282@icann.org>
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Hi,

just guessing here: maybe the most important stakeholder here the DPA and
EC(?) were not available at the proposed dates. The meeting in Brussels
office is for the WHOIS RT if I am not mistaking. Anyway, the whole thing
seems ill-planned and postponing is not a bad thing.
Still, we need to figure put about participating the webinar and the "open
house" meeting. the same issue we could face for the roundtable remains for
the open house meeting. We do need a more strategical approach to this and
I have the feeling that we are mostly, probably other groups too, in
reactive mode and not proactive.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-23 20:11 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> I wonder what the "stakeholder commitments" were. It is not as though
> ICANN consulted with us to see if we had representatives who were available
> to participate; which stakeholders had commitments at that time which
> precluded their participation, and how did ICANN staff come to be aware of
> this, I wonder? If it sounds like I am not so subtly insinuating that other
> stakeholder groups are being consulted informally and we are not being
> involved in these conversations, I very much.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and
> Next Steps
> Local Time: 23 September 2017 2:53 AM
> UTC Time: 23 September 2017 01:53
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi all,
>
> The Brussels meeting is postponed but there are also other planned
> discussions within the community in coming weeks.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com>
> Date: 2017-09-23 7:24 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>
>
>
> Colleagues, see below.
>
> The Brussels Roundtable idea is off, but may be revisited after Abu Dhabi.
> Folks gathering in Brussels for the RDS F2F may hold a separate session.
>
> Thank you,
>
> J.
> -----------------
> James Bladel
> GNSO Chair
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> *From:* David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> *Date:* Sep 22, 2017, 16:18 -0500
> *To:* soac-chairs at icann.org <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> *Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
> theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [soac-chairs] Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>
>
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>
>
>
> I wanted to follow up to my email of September 13th 2017.
>
>
>
> As I mentioned, we have been exploring organizing a roundtable for the
> first week of October. Unfortunately, we need to postpone until after
> ICANN60 due to stakeholder commitments and other meetings in Brussels at
> the same time. We will come back to you with a proposed date for this
> meeting as soon as possible.
>
>
>
> I understand that many of our community are in Brussels anyway the first
> week in October. I appreciate that some of you may wish to use this
> opportunity to get together for an ?open house? style meeting, allowing
> you to discuss GDPR and share your updates and new perspectives. If that?s
> the case, please let us know and ICANN will organize this at our offices on
> October 5th 2017, including providing some limited funding for
> the meeting. Please let Diana Middleton (diana.middleton at icann.org) know
> as soon as possible if you plan to be in Brussels that week anyway and
> would find such a meeting useful so that we can plan accordingly.
>
>
>
> In addition, we plan to hold an open webinar for the SO/ACs before
> ICANN60. The intent of this webinar will be to get your input on the scope
> of the ICANN organization?s facilitation efforts on GDPR. We are pulling
> together details on the webinar now and will share more information shortly.
>
>
>
> We look forward to continuing to work with you and your communities on
> facilitating a community discussion about GDPR ? including the
> cross-community session at ICANN60. Please communicate your feedback
> regarding this session to Cyrus Namazi (cyrus.namazi at icann.org) who is
> the senior staff coordinator for this session at ICANN60.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> David A. Olive
> Senior Vice President
>
> Policy Development Support
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>
> *Date:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM
> *To:* "soac-chairs at icann.org" <soac-chairs at icann.org>
> *Cc:* Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Theresa Swinehart <
> theresa.swinehart at icann.org>
> *Subject:* IMPORTANT REQUEST: Update on GDPR and Next Steps
>
>
>
> Dear SO/AC Chairs:
>
>
>
> As you know, the topic of the GDPR is an important one, in particular to
> the relationship of WHOIS and the GDPR. We?ve undertaken much work to
> receive input on the user stories, which have been published together with
> a blog updating on progress to date and next steps.
>
>
>
> As we engage on the topic and share the user stories, and possible
> implications of the legislation on existing WHOIS policy, we would like to
> give the opportunity to the SO and ACs to engage and join in meetings to
> provide their perspectives.
>
>
>
> With this, G?ran has asked me to invite SO/AC representatives to a
> roundtable in Brussels to share your perspectives on the topic, and have a
> direct dialogue with the EC and available DPAs. We are still determining
> the date for this roundtable in the first week of October. ICANN
> organization will facilitate but not participate in the roundtable. In
> preparation, we?d like to invite you, should you wish, to identify 2
> representatives from your SO and AC?s, for which we can provide limited
> travel support, to join for this roundtable. We are also exploring remote
> participation so others in the ICANN Community can listen to the roundtable
> discussion.
>
>
>
> Related, the latest postings including the updated user stories/summary
> document are listed below and may be of interest:
>
>
>
>    - New blog: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-pr
>    ivacy-progress-update-and-next-steps
>    <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-progress-update-and-next-steps>
>    - Updated user stories/summary document https://www.icann.org
>    /en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf
>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-dataflow-matrix-whois-11sep17-en.pdf> (Posted
>    on the gTLD Registration Dataflow Matrix and Information page
>    <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-dataflow-matrix-2017-07-24-en>
>    )
>
>
>
> Please contact me or Theresa Swinehart, and we look forward to following
> up with you.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David A. Olive
> Senior Vice President
>
> Policy Development Support
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>
>
>
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Sep 25 12:56:12 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 12:56:12 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
Message-ID: <20170925095612.no7std7w3iz3muy3@tarvainen.info>

Dear PC,

Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that
is the end of this week.

Background:

The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate
one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.
And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will
also accept.

Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.

And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also
need to talk with CPH at the same time.

Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.
My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH
and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).

Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including
all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).

For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.

And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as
per the procedure we agreed on.

I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got
the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.
Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,
as she's term-limited as councillor.

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu  Mon Sep 25 12:59:11 2017
From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.eu (Milan, Stefania)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:59:11 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
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Hi Tapani, thanks for the reminder.
I had the chance to observe Heather over the last two years or so, and while I wasn't a big fan at the beginning, I now believe she would do a good job for the remaining year of her term. She has done good as a vice-chair, is to some extent capable of listening and empathy, and has proven to be well organized. Given the mess that followed the Dublin election, it would probably be a sign of good will on our side to support her this time round. But these are just my two cents. Stefania

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Da: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> per conto di Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
Inviato: luned? 25 settembre 2017 11:56:12
A: NCSG-PC
Oggetto: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election

Dear PC,

Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that
is the end of this week.

Background:

The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate
one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.
And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will
also accept.

Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.

And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also
need to talk with CPH at the same time.

Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.
My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH
and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).

Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including
all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).

For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.

And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as
per the procedure we agreed on.

I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got
the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.
Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,
as she's term-limited as councillor.

--
Tapani Tarvainen
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From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Mon Sep 25 16:37:58 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:37:58 +0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Fwd: [IPC-Leadership] Fwd: [Csg-excomm] REMINDER -
 GNSO Council Chair Nominations due | 2 October 2017
Message-ID: <20170925133758.ugs7h4hwm6zg2ugf@tarvainen.info>

Seems this was sent to our current councillors only, so here it is for
the entire PC:

----- Forwarded message from Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com> -----

Subject: Fwd: [IPC-Leadership] Fwd: [Csg-excomm] REMINDER - GNSO Council Chair Nominations due | 2
	October 2017
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:39:34 +1000

Dear CSG and NCSG colleagues,

I hope this message finds you well as we gear up for Abu Dhabi. Council
leadership elections are rapidly approaching, as Chantelle's email below
indicates.

I respectfully seek the NCPH's nomination for the role of Council Chair for
2018. I have one year left on the GNSO Council, after which point (AGM
2018) I am term limited. I have served the NCPH as Vice Chair for 2 years
(since AGM 2015) and have done my best to ensure that our House has a
hard-working, collaborative Vice Chair. I will continue in this same
direction as Chair, building on what we have done in expanding the role of
Vice Chairs to create a collaborative leadership team environment with
shared responsibility for the (rather enormous) work load.

I am an academic and researcher. I am not paid by any party to attend or
participate in PDPs, Council or IPC, or any other internet governance
forum. I have found the past 2 years as Vice Chair incredibly challenging
and exhausting, but fascinating, and I would be honoured to use this
experience to serve as an effective Council Chair.

I will be very happy to answer any questions or provide further information.

Best wishes,

Heather Forrest






---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Chantelle Doerksen <chantelle.doerksen at icann.org>
Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:06 AM
Subject: [Csg-excomm] REMINDER - GNSO Council Chair Nominations due | 2
October 2017
To: "csg-excomm at icann.org" <csg-excomm at icann.org>
Cc: Andrea Glandon <andrea.glandon at icann.org>


Dear CSG Excomm,



I wanted to remind everyone that the nominations for GNSO Council Chair,
from the House, are due on 2 October 2017.



Timeline is as follows:

   1. Houses Submit Nominees, due 2nd October 2017
   2. Candidates Submit Statements, 12 day period, due 14th October 2017
   3. Candidate Meetings, 2 day period, due, 29th & 30th October 2017
   4. Election Held at Annual General Meeting , 1 day period, 1st November
   2017



More information can be found on the GNSO Council Website,
https://gnso.icann.org/en/council/elections.







Kind regards,

Chantelle

_________________

*Chantelle Doerksen* | SO/AC Collaboration Services, Sr. Coordinator

ICANN | Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers



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+1-310-463-9193 <(310)%20463-9193>



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----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 02:27:47 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 08:27:47 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
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References: <20170925095612.no7std7w3iz3muy3@tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnwfkP6T_ua6Qy5eF6c0wvN6NHihuO034gh1q1kSr+hpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

for the record, as I was nominated by Ayden a few weeks ago in PC list  I
am also interested to be nominated by NCPH to run for GNSO chair election.
I am looking forward NCSG to support my candidature and suggest it to CSG
during the house nomination process.

Best,

Rafik

2017-09-25 18:56 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>:

> Dear PC,
>
> Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that
> is the end of this week.
>
> Background:
>
> The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate
> one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.
> And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will
> also accept.
>
> Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.
>
> And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also
> need to talk with CPH at the same time.
>
> Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.
> My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH
> and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).
>
> Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including
> all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).
>
> For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.
>
> And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as
> per the procedure we agreed on.
>
> I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got
> the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.
> Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,
> as she's term-limited as councillor.
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Sep 26 14:57:18 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 07:57:18 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
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Message-ID: <d348afdc-ca70-9162-6dc9-8f01024efbe9@mail.utoronto.ca>

I would be happy to second that nomination.

Let us get on with this.

Stephanie Perrin


On 2017-09-25 19:27, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> for the record, as I was nominated by Ayden a few weeks ago in PC list 
> ?I am also interested to be nominated by NCPH to run for GNSO chair 
> election.
> I am looking forward NCSG to support my candidature and suggest it to 
> CSG during the house nomination process.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-09-25 18:56 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen 
> <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>:
>
>     Dear PC,
>
>     Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that
>     is the end of this week.
>
>     Background:
>
>     The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate
>     one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.
>     And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will
>     also accept.
>
>     Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.
>
>     And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also
>     need to talk with CPH at the same time.
>
>     Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.
>     My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH
>     and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).
>
>     Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including
>     all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).
>
>     For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.
>
>     And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as
>     per the procedure we agreed on.
>
>     I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got
>     the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.
>     Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,
>     as she's term-limited as councillor.
>
>     --
>     Tapani Tarvainen
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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>
>
>
>
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