[NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election

Mon Oct 2 22:37:09 EEST 2017

It is not worth getting into now because my view is clearly the minority position, but I was under the impression that we had asked Rafik to inform Heather that there was a leadership challenge. I was not aware we were moving forward in another fashion. To be clear, I do not oppose Heather, I just did not realise we had decided to proceed in this manner.

—Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
> Local Time: 2 October 2017 8:18 PM
> UTC Time: 2 October 2017 19:18
> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Ayden,
> Just some thought, probably wrong but what I understand so far:Rafik did act as agreed. We have deadlines to meet so we need to confirm or deny Heather, we still can keep showing our disagreement and anger and push for three things: 1) a selection process. 2) VC position for Rafik 3) use this as an opportunity to leverage Rafik for Chair next chance.
>
> Heather was VC, she did her campaign, leaving us out (grrrrrr), and we did nothing to either push our candidate or find out if there was any other out there. So we are not innocent in being fooled. We already decided not to deny Heather the Chair, so we can confirm her, let’s focus on building the VC and Rafik chances to be Chair one day and a process that prevents this sort of abuses from the CHP and the CSG against NCSG. Let’s move on this issues that we still need to work out in NCPH!
>
> Cheers,
> Martín
>
>> On Oct 2, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have to say Rafik, I'm very surprised by this thread, because I did not think this was the path that we had agreed to take forward. I do not oppose Heather chairing Council, particularly following our call last week where we had a number of questions clarified, but I thought we were going to impress upon the CSG our frustration with them choosing a Chair behind closed doors without involving us. It does not sound to me like this happened?
>>
>> —Ayden
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Chair election
>>> Local Time: 2 October 2017 5:20 PM
>>> UTC Time: 2 October 2017 16:20
>>> From: pileleji at ymca.gm
>>> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hello Tapani,
>>> Was to respond sorry for the delay, I support  the approach as rightly stated by Matthew. We need  importantly to have a process for this.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Poncelet
>>>
>>> On 2 October 2017 at 16:06, Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So as Rafik sleeps, I'll take that as instructions and absent
>>>> objections will take it upon myself to send the nomination to the
>>>> secretariat together with CSG (apparently represented in this case by
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich, even though CSG doesn't have a chair as such).
>>>>
>>>> So far out of 11 PC members I count Rafik, Stefania, Martin, myself
>>>> and Matthew in favour, still waiting for Marilia, Stephanie, Tatiana,
>>>> Ayden, Poncelet and Juan.
>>>>
>>>> Tapani
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 11:27:45PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for responses, waiting for other members opinions. I may be offline
>>>>> soon (midnight soon here). If there is no strong objections by 19:00UTC, we
>>>>> should inform CSG about our support and then send a joint nomination.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:34 PM, "Tapani Tarvainen" <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tapani
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 02, 2017 at 09:41:53PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (
>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > While I expressed interest to put my name for chair election, I am fine
>>>>> > with running for vice-chair instead considering the current
>>>>> > context.  taking the opportunity to run as vice-chair seems more
>>>>> reasonable
>>>>> > for the time being. We had a call with Heather last week and also ongoing
>>>>> > discussion between councilors about the nomination. I understand there may
>>>>> > some concerns but we can play our role to keep GNSO leadership on track.
>>>>> it
>>>>> > also seems that both groups didn't start the process in due time, nor we
>>>>> > had a process to start with.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I advise that we go with supporting Heather nomination from NCPH and
>>>>> > continue the discussion with CSG about vice-chair position and election
>>>>> > processes (not waiting for intersessional to do the later).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We have few hours left, so we should share our decision with CSG asap and
>>>>> > make the nomination before midnight at UTC time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Best,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Rafik
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2017-09-26 8:27 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Hi,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > for the record, as I was nominated by Ayden a few weeks ago in PC list
>>>>> I
>>>>> > > am also interested to be nominated by NCPH to run for GNSO chair
>>>>> election.
>>>>> > > I am looking forward NCSG to support my candidature and suggest it to
>>>>> CSG
>>>>> > > during the house nomination process.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Best,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Rafik
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2017-09-25 18:56 GMT+09:00 Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>>>> >:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> Dear PC,
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Deadline for GNSO Chair candidate nominations is October 1, that
>>>>> > >> is the end of this week.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Background:
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> The rules say that each house will be allowed to nominate
>>>>> > >> one candidate. Meaning we'd have to agree with CSG.
>>>>> > >> And we'd have to find a candidate the other house will
>>>>> > >> also accept.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Time is short. We really should open talks with CSG now.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> And if we want one of ours to run for Chair, we'd also
>>>>> > >> need to talk with CPH at the same time.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Chair needs 60% supermajority in the council to be elected.
>>>>> > >> My math says that works out to 16 councillors, when CPH
>>>>> > >> and NCPH both have 13 (6 per constituency plus two NCAs).
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Eligible for nomination are all new councillors, including
>>>>> > >> all NCAs (even non-voting NCA).
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> For more details cf. 2.2 in GNSO Operating Procedures.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> And as you may recall, if CSG gets the Chair we'll get Vice Chair, as
>>>>> > >> per the procedure we agreed on.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> I haven't heard anything from CSG after Jo'burg, but there I got
>>>>> > >> the impression they'd be likely to offer Heather Forrest.
>>>>> > >> Note that if she's elected she could only serve one year,
>>>>> > >> as she's term-limited as councillor.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> --
>>>>> > >> Tapani Tarvainen
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