From ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info  Fri Nov  3 08:17:39 2017
From: ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info (Tapani Tarvainen)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 10:17:39 +0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
Message-ID: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>

Dear Policy Committee,

As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the
PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.

Best of luck to all of you,

-- 
Tapani Tarvainen


From avri at doria.org  Fri Nov  3 09:38:55 2017
From: avri at doria.org (avri at doria.org)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 11:38:55 +0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <ebae6ad670a9dd3da8d0ff9356b93265@doria.org>

Hi, 

Which wakes me up to the fact that I should probably be unsubbed as
well. 

It is not like I am going to do any work on anything, 

Up to you all. 

avri

On 2017-11-03 10:17, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:

> Dear Policy Committee,
> 
> As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the
> PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.
> 
> Best of luck to all of you,
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From joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz  Fri Nov  3 09:57:11 2017
From: joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz (Joy Liddicoat)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 20:57:11 +1300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
Message-ID: <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>

This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and should also be removed

Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)

Joy

-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
To: NCSG PC
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye

Dear Policy Committee,

As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.

Best of luck to all of you,

--
Tapani Tarvainen
_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc




From matthew at intpolicy.com  Fri Nov  3 10:10:36 2017
From: matthew at intpolicy.com (matthew shears)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:10:36 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>,
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
Message-ID: <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay on in an observer capacity if acceptable.


Matthew

________________________________
From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
To: 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye

This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and should also be removed

Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)

Joy

-----Original Message-----
From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
To: NCSG PC
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye

Dear Policy Committee,

As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.

Best of luck to all of you,

--
Tapani Tarvainen
_______________________________________________
NCSG-PC mailing list
NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc


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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov  4 12:00:15 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 06:00:15 -0400
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>

Hi all,

Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on this list as observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public after all. However I understand if you would like to unsubscribe.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
> Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
> UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
> From: matthew at intpolicy.com
> To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>, 'Tapani Tarvainen' <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, 'NCSG PC' <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay on in an observer capacity if acceptable.
>
> Matthew
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
> To: 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>
> This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and should also be removed
>
> Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>
> Joy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
> Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
> To: NCSG PC
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>
> Dear Policy Committee,
>
> As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.
>
> Best of luck to all of you,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 05:02:03 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 12:02:03 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,

thanks all, I think the practice is to keep former members of PC as
observers. so you can stay :)

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-04 19:00 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on this list as
> observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public after all. However I
> understand if you would like to unsubscribe.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
> Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
> UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
> From: matthew at intpolicy.com
> To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>, 'Tapani Tarvainen' <
> ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>, 'NCSG PC' <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
>
> As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay on in an
> observer capacity if acceptable.
>
>
> Matthew
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is> on behalf of Joy
> Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
> *To:* 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
> *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>
> This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and should also
> be removed
>
> Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>
> Joy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
> <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
> Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
> To: NCSG PC
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>
> Dear Policy Committee,
>
> As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the PC
> and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.
>
> Best of luck to all of you,
>
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 06:04:15 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 13:04:15 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
Message-ID: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to
list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our
actions as PC:

Procedural:


   - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to send
   emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their
   representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just
   started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as
   ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do
   this in coming days.
   - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.

from the charter:
"2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC
by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
-- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"


   - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to
   share draft by next week.
   - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and GNSO
   pages, after new PC is set.
   - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our
   alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
   - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several
   times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft
   the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.


Policies:

   - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of
   some volunteers
   https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
   , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes
   will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community
   resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to
   supersede SG/C own comments)
   - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the agenda
   of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call next
   week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective and
   fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
   - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and
   planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
   - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.


please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.

Best,

Rafik
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Mon Nov  6 10:37:24 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:37:24 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
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Message-ID: <931bc52d-e047-59b3-0b35-eb0487b493c7@mpicc.de>

+ 1 from me to every former PC member to stay as an observer (and post
here as an observer - we already have this practice, why not continue
with it?).

Unless of course you don't want to see all the mails on this list. But
otherwise - please do stay.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 06/11/17 04:02, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> thanks all, I think the practice is to keep former members of PC as
> observers. so you can stay :)
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-04 19:00 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on this
>     list as observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public after
>     all. However I understand if you would like to unsubscribe.
>
>     Best wishes, Ayden  
>
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>     Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
>>     UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
>>     From: matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>     To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
>>     <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>, 'Tapani Tarvainen'
>>     <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>,
>>     'NCSG PC' <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>>
>>     As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay
>>     on in an observer capacity if acceptable.
>>
>>
>>     Matthew
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     *From:* NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Joy
>>     Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
>>     *To:* 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
>>     *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>      
>>     This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and
>>     should also be removed
>>
>>     Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>>
>>     Joy
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
>>     Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
>>     To: NCSG PC
>>     Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>
>>     Dear Policy Committee,
>>
>>     As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member
>>     in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this
>>     message.
>>
>>     Best of luck to all of you,
>>
>>     --
>>     Tapani Tarvainen
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From dave at davecake.net  Mon Nov  6 10:38:15 2017
From: dave at davecake.net (David Cake)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:38:15 +0800
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <931bc52d-e047-59b3-0b35-eb0487b493c7@mpicc.de>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
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 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <931bc52d-e047-59b3-0b35-eb0487b493c7@mpicc.de>
Message-ID: <700E26A6-49AD-4DC7-94A9-E15F6A157634@davecake.net>

I am happy to stay. 

David

> On 6 Nov 2017, at 4:37 pm, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
> 
> + 1 from me to every former PC member to stay as an observer (and post here as an observer - we already have this practice, why not continue with it?). 
> Unless of course you don't want to see all the mails on this list. But otherwise - please do stay.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya 
> 
> On 06/11/17 04:02, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi ,
>> 
>> thanks all, I think the practice is to keep former members of PC as observers. so you can stay :)
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> 2017-11-04 19:00 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on this list as observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public after all. However I understand if you would like to unsubscribe.
>> 
>> Best wishes, Ayden  
>> 
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>> Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
>>> UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
>>> From: matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>> To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>, 'Tapani Tarvainen' <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>, 'NCSG PC' <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay on in an observer capacity if acceptable.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> From: NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
>>> To: 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>>  
>>> This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and should also be removed
>>> 
>>> Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>>> 
>>> Joy
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
>>> Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
>>> To: NCSG PC
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>> 
>>> Dear Policy Committee,
>>> 
>>> As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this message.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck to all of you,
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tapani Tarvainen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From matthew at intpolicy.com  Mon Nov  6 12:33:57 2017
From: matthew at intpolicy.com (Matthew Shears)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:33:57 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <700E26A6-49AD-4DC7-94A9-E15F6A157634@davecake.net>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <931bc52d-e047-59b3-0b35-eb0487b493c7@mpicc.de>
 <700E26A6-49AD-4DC7-94A9-E15F6A157634@davecake.net>
Message-ID: <8bd36945-1f8b-3588-ee88-1353f262b136@intpolicy.com>

Likewise - thanks all.


On 06/11/2017 08:38, David Cake wrote:
> I am happy to stay.
>
> David
>
>> On 6 Nov 2017, at 4:37 pm, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de 
>> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>
>> + 1 from me to every former PC member to stay as an observer (and 
>> post here as an observer - we already have this practice, why not 
>> continue with it?).
>>
>> Unless of course you don't want to see all the mails on this list. 
>> But otherwise - please do stay.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>>
>> On 06/11/17 04:02, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> thanks all, I think the practice is to keep former members of PC as 
>>> observers. so you can stay :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-11-04 19:00 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on
>>>     this list as observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public
>>>     after all. However I understand if you would like to unsubscribe.
>>>
>>>     Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>>>     Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
>>>>     UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
>>>>     From: matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>>>     To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
>>>>     <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>, 'Tapani Tarvainen'
>>>>     <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info
>>>>     <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>, 'NCSG PC'
>>>>     <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay
>>>>     on in an observer capacity if acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Matthew
>>>>
>>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>     *From:* NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Joy
>>>>     Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>
>>>>     *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
>>>>     *To:* 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>>>
>>>>     This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and
>>>>     should also be removed
>>>>
>>>>     Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>>>>
>>>>     Joy
>>>>
>>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>>     From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>] On Behalf Of Tapani
>>>>     Tarvainen
>>>>     Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
>>>>     To: NCSG PC
>>>>     Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>>>
>>>>     Dear Policy Committee,
>>>>
>>>>     As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member
>>>>     in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this
>>>>     message.
>>>>
>>>>     Best of luck to all of you,
>>>>
>>>>     --
>>>>     Tapani Tarvainen
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>>
>>>
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

-- 


Matthew Shears
matthew at intpolicy.com
+447712472987
Skype:mshears

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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 23:52:15 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 16:52:15 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvDueGeihVFg0530Nz7rTxAYyHQjSS7oSirAkvCg6vUmaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rafik

I just told Joan and Renata to appoint their constituency PC reps.

We need to also work on NCSG policy program.

Best

Farzaneh

Farzaneh

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to
> list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our
> actions as PC:
>
> Procedural:
>
>
>    - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to
>    send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their
>    representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just
>    started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as
>    ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do
>    this in coming days.
>    - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>
> from the charter:
> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC
> by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>
>
>    - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to
>    share draft by next week.
>    - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and
>    GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
>    - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our
>    alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
>    - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several
>    times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft
>    the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
>
>
> Policies:
>
>    - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of
>    some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/
>    gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
>    <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017>
>    , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes
>    will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community
>    resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to
>    supersede SG/C own comments)
>    - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the
>    agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call
>    next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective
>    and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
>    - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and
>    planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
>    - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>
>
> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 01:13:35 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:13:35 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvDueGeihVFg0530Nz7rTxAYyHQjSS7oSirAkvCg6vUmaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN1qJvDueGeihVFg0530Nz7rTxAYyHQjSS7oSirAkvCg6vUmaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnOcO0urAwEdC=WjqZoiaAHPGQZNX3ACfu43-VXmR1=DA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Farzaneh,

Thanks, we will add this to the tasks list.

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-07 6:52 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:

> Hi Rafik
>
> I just told Joan and Renata to appoint their constituency PC reps.
>
> We need to also work on NCSG policy program.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email
>> to list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our
>> actions as PC:
>>
>> Procedural:
>>
>>
>>    - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to
>>    send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their
>>    representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just
>>    started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as
>>    ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do
>>    this in coming days.
>>    - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>>
>> from the charter:
>> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
>> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC
>> by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
>> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
>> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>>
>>
>>    - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to
>>    share draft by next week.
>>    - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and
>>    GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
>>    - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our
>>    alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
>>    - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed
>>    several times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls
>>    to draft the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG
>>    list.
>>
>>
>> Policies:
>>
>>    - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of
>>    some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomsta
>>    ke/Public+Comments+-+2017 , we still need volunteers for some of
>>    them. the meeting strategy changes will be  published as public comment
>>    soon. the most urgent is the community resource (council is planning its
>>    comment but it is not supposed to supersede SG/C own comments)
>>    - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the
>>    agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call
>>    next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective
>>    and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
>>    - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and
>>    planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
>>    - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>>
>>
>> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
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From avri at apc.org  Tue Nov  7 14:41:06 2017
From: avri at apc.org (avri doria)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 07:41:06 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] *** SPAM ***Re:  Goodbye
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20171103061738.cbccevfgq5wlexim@jay.tarvainen.info>
 <016901d35479$5b513120$11f39360$@liddicoatlaw.co.nz>
 <LOXP123MB00556EBFD482559AB173BA50B05D0@LOXP123MB0055.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <4xAeH_ajuyFZFVvfpkdtA3gdUcDp4FDNWZLU8MVVol0lWyBJbLJwvNwNTELyKmh61inHYv6FrIRABcoHIdRutSA3NHa3IVtc4lVG_f07Ago=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAH5sTh=VzaNKNJxq+ni_eLmtiF5zRJBc1thg45v=5G+SdC_Vmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d7823a4-e62d-5b57-c214-86c044943741@apc.org>

Hi,

While the practice has been to keep ex-council members, it is totally up
to the actual members which, if any, of us are kept.

Happy to stay on list and track NCSG concerns. Might even learn some
good arguments to use from time to time.

thanks

avri


On 05-Nov-17 22:02, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> thanks all, I think the practice is to keep former members of PC as
> observers. so you can stay :)
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-04 19:00 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Speaking only for myself, I am okay with you all remaining on this
>     list as observers if you wish. Our mailing list is public after
>     all. However I understand if you would like to unsubscribe.
>
>     Best wishes, Ayden??
>
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>     Local Time: 3 November 2017 12:10 PM
>>     UTC Time: 3 November 2017 08:10
>>     From: matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>     To: Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
>>     <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>, 'Tapani Tarvainen'
>>     <ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info <mailto:ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info>>,
>>     'NCSG PC' <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>>
>>     As with Avri - I leave it up to the PC to decide. Happy to stay
>>     on in an observer capacity if acceptable.
>>
>>
>>     Matthew
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     *From:* NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>> on behalf of Joy
>>     Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 7:57:11 AM
>>     *To:* 'Tapani Tarvainen'; 'NCSG PC'
>>     *Subject:* Re: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>     ?
>>     This should go for me as well - I am consigned to a voyeur and
>>     should also be removed
>>
>>     Keep up the great work, those of you who are doing it :-)
>>
>>     Joy
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: NCSG-PC [mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is
>>     <mailto:ncsg-pc-bounces at lists.ncsg.is>] On Behalf Of Tapani Tarvainen
>>     Sent: Friday, 3 November 2017 7:18 p.m.
>>     To: NCSG PC
>>     Subject: [NCSG-PC] Goodbye
>>
>>     Dear Policy Committee,
>>
>>     As my term as NCSG Chair ended I am no longer ex-officio member
>>     in the PC and will unsubscribe from the list after sending this
>>     message.
>>
>>     Best of luck to all of you,
>>
>>     --
>>     Tapani Tarvainen
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     NCSG-PC mailing list
>     NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>     https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>     <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc



From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 00:26:48 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 19:26:48 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThmJF3LmRMQwWAX7jhiXWiH5F+b-1R+qOn39+H1o4LTPtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E7C9D28-FB82-443D-A698-F574B1924F0D@gmail.com>

If there is an interest, I could put some RPMs Webinar for civil society to explain, debate and maybe get people more aware of it, maybe even engaged.

Cheers,
Mart?n

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 1:04 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our actions as PC:
> 
> Procedural:
> 
> Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do this in coming days.
> After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair. 
> from the charter:
> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
> Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to share draft by next week.
> Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and GNSO pages, after new PC is set. 
> Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
> agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
> 
> Policies:
> Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017 <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017> , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to supersede SG/C own comments)
> Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
> Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
> Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
> 
> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity. 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 17:27:58 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 12:27:58 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-sc-budget] GNSO Council Budget Standing
 Committee - Pending Public Forum Comments
References: <086401d3596e$6c29f500$447ddf00$@berrycobb.com>
Message-ID: <6EB973D4-581A-4D91-A39C-8B36777556AF@gmail.com>

Dear all,
	The GNSO Council Budget Standing Committee has kicked off. I offered myself to be there, I know there were a few of you talking about this two first task ahead I forward below. To have a unified voice I propose that those who have an idea or opinion on this get together so we can put forward both at NCSG and Council level (as NCSG) our views.

	I will keep you posted on the work on the committee. 

Cheers,
Mart?n

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Berry Cobb" <mail at berrycobb.com>
> Subject: [Gnso-sc-budget] GNSO Council Budget Standing Committee - Pending Public Forum Comments
> Date: November 9, 2017 at 12:21:29 PM GMT-3
> To: <gnso-sc-budget at icann.org>
> 
> All,
>  
> Thank you for volunteering on the (for now) informal standing committee of the ICANN Budget and Operating Plan. You may recall Council deliberations on this topic at its meeting in Abu Dhabi. Even though the standing committee charter has not been formally adopted yet, it was agreed to already informally gather volunteers for this effort to consider whether Council input should be provided on two near term comments related to budget and finance topics. This will also allow for some informal experience with the proposed charter which may help inform further Council deliberation. In preparation, staff went ahead and created the digital assets to support this group. First, you have been subscribed to a Mailman list (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-sc-budget/ <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-sc-budget/>). Second, staff has created a new wiki space for this proposed standing committee (https://community.icann.org/display/GCSCOIBOP <https://community.icann.org/display/GCSCOIBOP>). We invite you to browse around to become familiar with the initial content posted within the wiki space. Persons currently subscribed to this list can be found on the member?s page (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74580769 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74580769>).  
>  
> Shortly, staff will send another request for volunteers to the Council list to determine if others are interested in joining this group. Once the standing committee has been formally created, staff will then send a message to the Stakeholder Group and Constituency (SG/C) leadership seeking ICANN budget related subject matter experts that may wish to join.
>  
> On this trial basis, there are two near term public comment periods that may be of interest to this group:
>  
> 1) Draft PTI and IANA FY19 Operating Plans and Budgets: https://community.icann.org/display/GCSCOIBOP/2017-11%3A+Draft+PTI+and+IANA+FY19+Operating+Plans+and+Budgets <https://community.icann.org/display/GCSCOIBOP/2017-11%3A+Draft+PTI+and+IANA+FY19+Operating+Plans+and+Budgets>
> As discussed at the last Council meeting, the Council will likely not have any specific input to the PTI budget as this mostly affects Registry Operators and has very little to do with management of policy.  However, the GNSO is a decisional participant within the Empowered Community and as such staff does suggest submitting a general comment of endorsement or to highlight any comments that have been made by SGs/Cs to demonstrate that the GNSO takes its commitment as a decisional participant serious.  See below on comment development and adoption process. Comments are due: 26 Nov 2017.
>  
> 2) ICANN Reserve Fund ? Public Comment on Rationale and Target Level: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74580777 <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=74580777>
> The Council may wish to weigh in on this public comment as it not only intersects with the annual budget cycle, but it is also a relevant topic within the CCWG on Auction Proceeds.  Further, the Board passed a resolution at its meeting in Abu Dhabi to transfer $5M of excess operating funds to the Reserve Fund (https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2017-11-02-en#2.b <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2017-11-02-en#2.b>) as suggested by the Board Finance Committee at its 22 November 2017 meeting.  Note however, this public comment only includes the rationale and Target Level at which the Reserve Fund is set and NOT how it is funded.  In short, the Board?s conclusion based on the analysis is that the Reserve Fund should be 12 to 17 months of annual operating expenses which remains consistent with the Target Level currently stated in ICANN?s Investment Policy.  See below on comment development and adoption process.  Comments are due: 30 Nov 2017.
>  
> Comment Development and interim Adoption Process:
> Given the short time frame of which these comments are due and the next scheduled GNSO Council meeting on 30 Nov (with a resolution submission deadline of 20 Nov), staff suggests that after draft comments are formulated amongst this group, that they be submitted to the GNSO Council mailing list for review and further deliberation. After which, the comments, subject to non-objection and with a disclaimer that it was not formally approved through a vote, can be submitted on behalf of the GNSO Council. Alternatively, a placeholder motion could be submitted by the document deadline to allow for formal consideration, should there be a need. The PTI comment closes prior to the Council meeting, and the Reserved Fund closes the same day of. Staff will suggest that this item be included on the 30 November agenda.
>  
> Lastly, staff will facilitate a conference call to discuss these topics in detail beyond this mailing list.  I will send out a doodle pole to find an appropriate time.
>  
> Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>  
>  
> B
>  
> Berry A. Cobb
> 720.839.5735
> mail at berrycobb.com <mailto:mail at berrycobb.com>
> @berrycobb
>  
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 09:12:04 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:12:04 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
	agenda for your input
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnOD53o0rQPRAQuyc5LvyejXacF1fFj159vxO0ff+gtNw@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

here the details about the strategic planning session for January.  Please
review it.
the agenda and topics are quite basic but definitely important.  I am
working with Heather and Donna to prepare it (just joining it). I will
share information and specifics when available.
it will be a topic for discussion in our next council call, so we can start
a discussion and prepare beforehand.  there is a lot of expectation within
the council from this first strategic meeting.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-11-09 13:40 GMT+09:00
Subject: [council] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
agenda for your input
To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org


Dear colleagues,

In Part II of the Council meeting on 1 November (in Abu Dhabi), Donna and I
provided a high-level introduction to the rough draft agenda for our
January strategic planning session, as developed by me, Donna and James.

We have received funding for 3 full days.

Secretariat team, please could we add this to the November 30 Council
agenda as a discussion item? Council colleagues, please consider the draft
and seize the opportunity to make suggestions/ask questions at our next
meeting.

Best wishes,

Heather



_______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 09:26:01 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 16:26:01 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
In-Reply-To: <9E7C9D28-FB82-443D-A698-F574B1924F0D@gmail.com>
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Hi Martin,

Thanks, yes we can put that as a proposal for webinar topic.

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-09 7:26 GMT+09:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>:

> If there is an interest, I could put some RPMs Webinar for civil society
> to explain, debate and maybe get people more aware of it, maybe even
> engaged.
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 1:04 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to
> list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our
> actions as PC:
>
> Procedural:
>
>
>    - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to
>    send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their
>    representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just
>    started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as
>    ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do
>    this in coming days.
>    - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>
> from the charter:
> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC
> by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>
>
>    - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to
>    share draft by next week.
>    - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and
>    GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
>    - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our
>    alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
>    - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several
>    times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft
>    the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
>
>
> Policies:
>
>    - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of
>    some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/
>    gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
>    <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017>
>    , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes
>    will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community
>    resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to
>    supersede SG/C own comments)
>    - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the
>    agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call
>    next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective
>    and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
>    - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and
>    planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
>    - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>
>
> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> _______________________________________________
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Fri Nov 10 22:07:48 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 15:07:48 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: Re: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Mentorship Guideline
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I realise this is not the best mailing list for this conversation, but, I figure the recipients on here might find this interesting. The Business Constituency has shared how they onboard their incoming 'senior leaders' (what we would perhaps call 'newcomers' or 'mentees'), and I think there could be some best practices here which we could borrow. I quite like the idea of escorting people for badging, being formally introduced to relevant stakeholders, and having dinner together. Now, this would not scale for us, but at least for NCUC fellows (and the NPOC equivalent), these practices might be something we want to consider institutionalising.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Mentorship Guideline
> Local Time: 10 November 2017 12:38 PM
> UTC Time: 10 November 2017 12:38
> From: marilynscade at hotmail.com
> To: Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, Ayden F?rdeline <ayden at ferdeline.com>, Rapid SUN <sun.rapid at niptict.edu.kh>
> ICANN60_Onboarding at icann.org <ICANN60_Onboarding at icann.org>
>
> I'll discuss guidelines within the BC and with my two mentees. However, I want to mention that in the BC, we also have our own 'coaching' of the senior leadership invitees to each of the ICANN meetings.  This is possibly more like what Rapid Sun is suggesting.
>
> For example, for each of the ICANN meetings when the BC has invited one or two senior leaders, working with the BC Secretariat, I do at least one one hour coaching call when the attendee(s) are invited. Our wonderous BC Secretariat explains the BC website, our processes for engagement, etc. and I focus on demystifying ICANN. [and demystifying the BC, of course -- who are our officers, our members, key issues re governance of ICANN and of gTLD policy].
>
> For their attendance at ICANN, we have a sort of triage approach: here are the important BC and CSG meetings, and here are a few more sessions that you may be interested in -- depending on where they come from --e.g. for our executives from Africa, I propose the African Strategy session, for our recent attendee from Egypt, we attended the MENA strategy session, for our LATEM senior executives, we propose the Latin American Strategy session.  We add in of course the public forums and other events that are relevant to their interest. Just an other example, as two of our recent BC executives are quite sophisticated on financial issues, we proposed that they attend the budget working groups [with those of the BC who are already engaged].
>
> When they arrive at ICANN, we try to have them co located at a hotel with one of the officers, typically the Vice Chair of Finance and Operations, who is the key contact for this program. They are greeted, and sometimes, if appropriate, we have a small tea/coffee, or dinner with 2-3 of the BC Outreach Committee members. One of the Outreach Committee offers to escort them to registration for badging. And we introduce them to Board members, GAC members, other leaders from the community throughout the week.
>
> We have recently been using the ICANN Information booth as the place to convene  during coffee breaks, and that is working very well as we want our executives to become quickly independent but know that someone from the BC outreach committee are there to advise and introduce.
>
> This is above and beyond our on boarding of newcomers, but it will be reflected in our final documents as we want to do much of this for any newcomer who is qualified to become a BC member.
>
> Probably the BC  will have mentorship guidelines, including time commitments, historical expertise, reputational standing in the community, and attendance records for any commitments at ICANN, as we are after all businesses. I do not suggest any such criteria for any other group, as Ayden notes and Olivier reinforces, each group is quite unique.
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 11 15:06:54 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 08:06:54 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
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Thanks Rafik. I hate to be the point of resistance here (and I realise that I am), but do we really need operating procedures in the PC? In principle I agree with the idea, and I like how comprehensive the previous draft was, but they also seem somewhat over-engineered to me. I tried following them earlier this year for our comment on WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law, and in practice, they don't work. I went through the ropes of organising a webinar (which almost no one outside of the PC attended), and went through four drafts of edits on list (comments were more philosophical debates than targeted and relevant to the statement). It was a lot of work, and I'm afraid to say, I don't think it made our comment stronger. If we do proceed with operating procedures I hope we make them simpler and more realistic. Otherwise, we can expect those who are obsessively focused on procedural matters to find fault with every activity that the PC does.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
> Local Time: 6 November 2017 4:04 AM
> UTC Time: 6 November 2017 04:04
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our actions as PC:
>
> Procedural:
>
> - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do this in coming days.
> - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>
>> from the charter:
>> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
>> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
>> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
>> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>
> - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to share draft by next week.
> - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
> - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
> - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
>
> Policies:
>
> - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017 , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to supersede SG/C own comments)
> - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
> - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
> - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>
> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 11 15:16:32 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 08:16:32 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
	agenda for your input
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An 8am start, 10pm finish - we are certainly squeezing a lot into each day. And yet it doesn't feel all that strategic a strategic planning session to me. We are spending an entire day on what are the roles and responsibilities of Councillors and Council leadership, but only three hours, on the last day, on "Planning 2018 - Three f2f meetings, 16 days, what do we want to achieve in the next 12 months?" That to me sounds like the most critical thing that we could work on. I think we need to spend less time waxing lyrically about the great work that we, leadership, and the liaisons do, and far more time actually planning the year ahead. As it stands, there is nothing on the agenda for day 2 which I think we need to discuss (even the Council meeting we could have a week earlier or later via Adobe Connect). What do others think?

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft agenda for your input
> Local Time: 10 November 2017 7:12 AM
> UTC Time: 10 November 2017 07:12
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi,
>
> here the details about the strategic planning session for January.  Please review it.
> the agenda and topics are quite basic but definitely important.  I am working with Heather and Donna to prepare it (just joining it). I will share information and specifics when available.
> it will be a topic for discussion in our next council call, so we can start a discussion and prepare beforehand.  there is a lot of expectation within the council from this first strategic meeting.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-09 13:40 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [council] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft agenda for your input
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> In Part II of the Council meeting on 1 November (in Abu Dhabi), Donna and I provided a high-level introduction to the rough draft agenda for our January strategic planning session, as developed by me, Donna and James.
>
> We have received funding for 3 full days.
>
> Secretariat team, please could we add this to the November 30 Council agenda as a discussion item? Council colleagues, please consider the draft and seize the opportunity to make suggestions/ask questions at our next meeting.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 15:33:22 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:33:22 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
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Hi Ayden,

Thanks for the feedback, appreciated.
for the first part the answer is yes, we need the operating procedures. it
is requested by NCSG charter and it is something overdue we have to get
done.

the operating procedures don't need to be complicated but enough clear to
give us guidance. The draft timeline is intended to give a proposal and
some milestones for PC to observe. Not all of them must be followed e.g.
the webinar. Also, the decision-making process is drafted separately. We
also have a draft fthere or a fast-track process for comments and
statements (inspired by what NCUC did) to get things approved when we have
a time constraint.
I don't think it is fair to say that a process failed after one unique
trial (if it was). it can be improved and adjusted based on trial and
error, we can follow an evolutionary approach.
I am proposing to send a draft so it can be commented and adjusted based on
comments and review.

Best,

Rafik


2017-11-11 22:06 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks Rafik. I hate to be the point of resistance here (and I realise
> that I am), but do we really need operating procedures in the PC? In
> principle I agree with the idea, and I like how comprehensive the previous
> draft was, but they also seem somewhat over-engineered to me. I tried
> following them earlier this year for our comment on WHOIS Conflicts with
> Privacy Law, and in practice, they don't work. I went through the ropes of
> organising a webinar (which almost no one outside of the PC attended), and
> went through four drafts of edits on list (comments were more philosophical
> debates than targeted and relevant to the statement). It was a lot of work,
> and I'm afraid to say, I don't think it made our comment stronger. If we do
> proceed with operating procedures I hope we make them simpler and more
> realistic. Otherwise, we can expect those who are obsessively focused on
> procedural matters to find fault with every activity that the PC does.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
> Local Time: 6 November 2017 4:04 AM
> UTC Time: 6 November 2017 04:04
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to
> list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our
> actions as PC:
>
> Procedural:
>
>
>    - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to
>    send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their
>    representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just
>    started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as
>    ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do
>    this in coming days.
>    - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>
> from the charter:
> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC
> by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>
>
>    - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to
>    share draft by next week.
>    - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and
>    GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
>    - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our
>    alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
>    - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several
>    times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft
>    the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
>
>
> Policies:
>
>    - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of
>    some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/
>    gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
>    <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017>
>    , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes
>    will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community
>    resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to
>    supersede SG/C own comments)
>    - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the
>    agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call
>    next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective
>    and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
>    - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and
>    planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
>    - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>
>
> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 11 15:48:20 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 08:48:20 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
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The moment we have such a procedure formalised, understandably, some are going to expect it be used every time. Now, they will not write comments, but they will use this procedure to criticise those who do write them. Watch and see...

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
> Local Time: 11 November 2017 1:33 PM
> UTC Time: 11 November 2017 13:33
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for the feedback, appreciated.
> for the first part the answer is yes, we need the operating procedures. it is requested by NCSG charter and it is something overdue we have to get done.
>
> the operating procedures don't need to be complicated but enough clear to give us guidance. The draft timeline is intended to give a proposal and some milestones for PC to observe. Not all of them must be followed e.g. the webinar. Also, the decision-making process is drafted separately. We also have a draft fthere or a fast-track process for comments and statements (inspired by what NCUC did) to get things approved when we have a time constraint.
> I don't think it is fair to say that a process failed after one unique trial (if it was). it can be improved and adjusted based on trial and error, we can follow an evolutionary approach.
> I am proposing to send a draft so it can be commented and adjusted based on comments and review.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-11 22:06 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Thanks Rafik. I hate to be the point of resistance here (and I realise that I am), but do we really need operating procedures in the PC? In principle I agree with the idea, and I like how comprehensive the previous draft was, but they also seem somewhat over-engineered to me. I tried following them earlier this year for our comment on WHOIS Conflicts with Privacy Law, and in practice, they don't work. I went through the ropes of organising a webinar (which almost no one outside of the PC attended), and went through four drafts of edits on list (comments were more philosophical debates than targeted and relevant to the statement). It was a lot of work, and I'm afraid to say, I don't think it made our comment stronger. If we do proceed with operating procedures I hope we make them simpler and more realistic. Otherwise, we can expect those who are obsessively focused on procedural matters to find fault with every activity that the PC does.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Coming activities for PC
>>> Local Time: 6 November 2017 4:04 AM
>>> UTC Time: 6 November 2017 04:04
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Hope you are recovering from Abu Dhabi meeting. I am sending this email to list several possible activities for coming weeks and planning for our actions as PC:
>>>
>>> Procedural:
>>>
>>> - Setting the new PC: I would like to ask Farzaneh as NCSG chair to send emails to NCUC and NPOC chairs in order to appoint/confirm their representatives to PC for the coming year. Elected councilors who just started their terms are members of the new PC, plus the NCSG chair as ex-officio. NCUC EC is going to be announced soon and I think they can do this in coming days.
>>> - After that, PC should elect its chair and possibly vice-chair.
>>>
>>>> from the charter:
>>>> "2.5.3. NCSG?PC Leadership
>>>> A Chair will be elected or replaced from among the members of the NCSG?PC by a 2/3 vote of the NCSG?PC membership on a yearly basis.
>>>> -- The NCSG Chair may not serve in this role.
>>>> One or more Vice-Chairs may be chosen by the NCSG?PC on a yearly basis"
>>>
>>> - Resuming the work on NCSG PC operating procedures, I would like to share draft by next week.
>>> - Maryam will update the list of PC members in NCSG wiki space and GNSO pages, after new PC is set.
>>> - Reviewing NCSG appointments, i.e. GNSO Review WG since Avri our alternate rep joined the board and OEC and need to be replaced there.
>>> - agreeing on GNSO council calls reporting: that was discussed several times and we need to agree on who will volunteer for coming calls to draft the report and being reviewed by PC before publishing it in NCSG list.
>>>
>>> Policies:
>>>
>>> - Planning for public comments: I updated the list here with names of some volunteers https://community.icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017 , we still need volunteers for some of them. the meeting strategy changes will be  published as public comment soon. the most urgent is the community resource (council is planning its comment but it is not supposed to supersede SG/C own comments)
>>> - Planning for intersessional and council strategic meeting: the agenda of the former is being discussed (there is an NCPH planning call next week). the agenda for the latter will be shared soon. to be effective and fully utilize those meetings, all attendess need to prepare beforehand.
>>> - Preparing for the GNSO council calls for the rest of this year and planning for NCSG Policy calls. I should get the agendas earlier.
>>> - Planning one-topic webinars: brainstorming about possible topics.
>>>
>>> please let me know if you are suggesting another activity.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 15:57:18 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 22:57:18 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
 agenda for your input
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Hi Ayden,

Thanks for giving the first shot of comments.
I think the schedule will be around 9 to 18:00 every day, with some event
or free evening. it looks like a usual ICANN meeting :)
my understanding of the first topic is that the council didn't really have
any chance before to discuss its role post-transition with GNSO being a
member of EC. for example, we have to participate on budget something
council didn't really follow that much. also, GNSO operating procedures are
going to be updated to reflect the changes. tbh I am not sure how many
councillors are familiar with GNSO OP and ICANN bylaws and having a clear
understanding of the council role and remit. if we can get that
understanding during the strategic meeting, it will help us for the year.

regarding liaison role, that includes liaison to GAC and it is quite
sensitive since we are still trying to get GAC involved and informed at an
early stage of PDPs. we also have less clarity about the role of current
liaisons to the different WGs and how they can do their job better
(liaisons are critical to keeping council informed about WGs status and
issues).

indeed, we need more planning of our activities and in particular policies
for the coming year and how to manage the workload. We are not doing enough
good job in term of program and project management. the preparation for the
meeting should start soon and not just wait for it to start discussion.
that should start prior to January meeting. I guess we can suggest some
reshuffling and change over time allocations to allow more time for
planning itself.

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-11 22:16 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> An 8am start, 10pm finish - we are certainly squeezing a lot into each
> day. And yet it doesn't feel all that strategic a strategic planning
> session to me. We are spending an entire day on what are the roles and
> responsibilities of Councillors and Council leadership, but only three
> hours, on the last day, on "Planning 2018 - Three f2f meetings, 16 days,
> what do we want to achieve in the next 12 months?" That to me sounds like
> the most critical thing that we could work on. I think we need to spend
> less time waxing lyrically about the great work that we, leadership, and
> the liaisons do, and far more time actually planning the year ahead. As it
> stands, there is nothing on the agenda for day 2 which I think we need to
> discuss (even the Council meeting we could have a week earlier or later via
> Adobe Connect). What do others think?
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
> agenda for your input
> Local Time: 10 November 2017 7:12 AM
> UTC Time: 10 November 2017 07:12
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> hi,
>
> here the details about the strategic planning session for January.  Please
> review it.
> the agenda and topics are quite basic but definitely important.  I am
> working with Heather and Donna to prepare it (just joining it). I will
> share information and specifics when available.
> it will be a topic for discussion in our next council call, so we can
> start a discussion and prepare beforehand.  there is a lot of expectation
> within the council from this first strategic meeting.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-09 13:40 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [council] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
> agenda for your input
> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
>
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> In Part II of the Council meeting on 1 November (in Abu Dhabi), Donna and
> I provided a high-level introduction to the rough draft agenda for our
> January strategic planning session, as developed by me, Donna and James.
>
> We have received funding for 3 full days.
>
> Secretariat team, please could we add this to the November 30 Council
> agenda as a discussion item? Council colleagues, please consider the draft
> and seize the opportunity to make suggestions/ask questions at our next
> meeting.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Heather
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> council mailing list
> council at gnso.icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
>
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 11 16:22:51 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 09:22:51 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
Message-ID: <nV0ZxsBDx4adxABQWuPxavTyMZWLaKQeM_bG2PeBvu1plA3GG4sxkcpznngaNOBGfgRuGjY_wv-MQIBGQT_SXpj1LogX2_lt5vdZj2BGOLo=@ferdeline.com>

Well, I said I wouldn't comment on this, but I have. I have drafted some responses to a few of the questions on the travel consultation because I do feel very strongly here that it needs to change. This is still incomplete so please do add your thoughts [directly to the Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing) - the deadline for submission is about a week away. Thanks.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing

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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Sat Nov 11 18:47:06 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 17:47:06 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: Re: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Mentorship Guideline
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Thanks Ayden,

I do agree +1

On 10 November 2017 at 21:07, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> I realise this is not the best mailing list for this conversation, but, I
> figure the recipients on here might find this interesting. The Business
> Constituency has shared how they onboard their incoming 'senior leaders'
> (what we would perhaps call 'newcomers' or 'mentees'), and I think there
> could be some best practices here which we could borrow. I quite like the
> idea of escorting people for badging, being formally introduced to relevant
> stakeholders, and having dinner together. Now, this would not scale for us,
> but at least for NCUC fellows (and the NPOC equivalent), these practices
> might be something we want to consider institutionalising.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ICANN60_Onboarding] Mentorship Guideline
> Local Time: 10 November 2017 12:38 PM
> UTC Time: 10 November 2017 12:38
> From: marilynscade at hotmail.com
> To: Olivier MJ Cr?pin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, Ayden F?rdeline <
> ayden at ferdeline.com>, Rapid SUN <sun.rapid at niptict.edu.kh>
> ICANN60_Onboarding at icann.org <ICANN60_Onboarding at icann.org>
>
>
> I'll discuss guidelines within the BC and with my two mentees. However, I
> want to mention that in the BC, we also have our own 'coaching' of the
> senior leadership invitees to each of the ICANN meetings.  This is possibly
> more like what Rapid Sun is suggesting.
>
>
> For example, for each of the ICANN meetings when the BC has invited one or
> two senior leaders, working with the BC Secretariat, I do at least one one
> hour coaching call when the attendee(s) are invited. Our wonderous BC
> Secretariat explains the BC website, our processes for engagement, etc. and
> I focus on demystifying ICANN. [and demystifying the BC, of course -- who
> are our officers, our members, key issues re governance of ICANN and of
> gTLD policy].
>
>
> For their attendance at ICANN, we have a sort of triage approach: here are
> the important BC and CSG meetings, and here are a few more sessions that
> you may be interested in -- depending on where they come from --e.g. for
> our executives from Africa, I propose the African Strategy session, for our
> recent attendee from Egypt, we attended the MENA strategy session, for our
> LATEM senior executives, we propose the Latin American Strategy session.
> We add in of course the public forums and other events that are relevant to
> their interest. Just an other example, as two of our recent BC executives
> are quite sophisticated on financial issues, we proposed that they attend
> the budget working groups [with those of the BC who are already engaged].
>
>
> When they arrive at ICANN, we try to have them co located at a hotel with
> one of the officers, typically the Vice Chair of Finance and Operations,
> who is the key contact for this program. They are greeted, and sometimes,
> if appropriate, we have a small tea/coffee, or dinner with 2-3 of the BC
> Outreach Committee members. One of the Outreach Committee offers to escort
> them to registration for badging. And we introduce them to Board members,
> GAC members, other leaders from the community throughout the week.
>
>
> We have recently been using the ICANN Information booth as the place to
> convene  during coffee breaks, and that is working very well as we want our
> executives to become quickly independent but know that someone from the BC
> outreach committee are there to advise and introduce.
>
>
> This is above and beyond our on boarding of newcomers, but it will be
> reflected in our final documents as we want to do much of this for any
> newcomer who is qualified to become a BC member.
>
>
> Probably the BC  will have mentorship guidelines, including time
> commitments, historical expertise, reputational standing in the community,
> and attendance records for any commitments at ICANN, as we are after all
> businesses. I do not suggest any such criteria for any other group, as
> Ayden notes and Olivier reinforces, each group is quite unique.
>
>
>
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 13 03:07:50 2017
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 01:07:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
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Dear Ayden,?Thanks for start this document. I thought I wasn't to make comments on this, but I have wrote some lines in the document you shared before. I think we need to refine it, but still we have some questions without answer.?
JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Presidente?-?AGEIA DENSI?ColombiaCommunications Committee Chair.?Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANNCluster Orinoco TIC memberMaster IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
Cel. +57 3017435600
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    El s?bado, 11 de noviembre de 2017 9:23:10 a. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:  
 
 Well, I said I wouldn't comment on this, but I have. I have drafted some responses to a few of the questions on the travel consultation because I do feel very strongly here that it needs to change. This is still incomplete so please do add your thoughts directly to the Google Doc - the deadline for submission is about a week away. Thanks.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing

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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 15:24:26 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:24:26 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
 agenda for your input
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Hi all,

My quick comment here is that i would strongly suggest we move the content
of Day 3 to Day 2.

The actual work, IMO, where we will be discussing is Day 3, i would love to
see this planning happen on Day 2 so that we have more time and in the
event we don't cover everything, we can take part of Day 3 for that. But if
we fail to finish everything on day 3 and we need to expand discussion, we
will not be able to do that because we will going into other businesses.

Thanks,
Arsene

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2017-11-11 15:57 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for giving the first shot of comments.
> I think the schedule will be around 9 to 18:00 every day, with some event
> or free evening. it looks like a usual ICANN meeting :)
> my understanding of the first topic is that the council didn't really have
> any chance before to discuss its role post-transition with GNSO being a
> member of EC. for example, we have to participate on budget something
> council didn't really follow that much. also, GNSO operating procedures are
> going to be updated to reflect the changes. tbh I am not sure how many
> councillors are familiar with GNSO OP and ICANN bylaws and having a clear
> understanding of the council role and remit. if we can get that
> understanding during the strategic meeting, it will help us for the year.
>
> regarding liaison role, that includes liaison to GAC and it is quite
> sensitive since we are still trying to get GAC involved and informed at an
> early stage of PDPs. we also have less clarity about the role of current
> liaisons to the different WGs and how they can do their job better
> (liaisons are critical to keeping council informed about WGs status and
> issues).
>
> indeed, we need more planning of our activities and in particular policies
> for the coming year and how to manage the workload. We are not doing enough
> good job in term of program and project management. the preparation for the
> meeting should start soon and not just wait for it to start discussion.
> that should start prior to January meeting. I guess we can suggest some
> reshuffling and change over time allocations to allow more time for
> planning itself.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-11 22:16 GMT+09:00 Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> An 8am start, 10pm finish - we are certainly squeezing a lot into each
>> day. And yet it doesn't feel all that strategic a strategic planning
>> session to me. We are spending an entire day on what are the roles and
>> responsibilities of Councillors and Council leadership, but only three
>> hours, on the last day, on "Planning 2018 - Three f2f meetings, 16 days,
>> what do we want to achieve in the next 12 months?" That to me sounds like
>> the most critical thing that we could work on. I think we need to spend
>> less time waxing lyrically about the great work that we, leadership, and
>> the liaisons do, and far more time actually planning the year ahead. As it
>> stands, there is nothing on the agenda for day 2 which I think we need to
>> discuss (even the Council meeting we could have a week earlier or later via
>> Adobe Connect). What do others think?
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
>> agenda for your input
>> Local Time: 10 November 2017 7:12 AM
>> UTC Time: 10 November 2017 07:12
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> here the details about the strategic planning session for January.
>> Please review it.
>> the agenda and topics are quite basic but definitely important.  I am
>> working with Heather and Donna to prepare it (just joining it). I will
>> share information and specifics when available.
>> it will be a topic for discussion in our next council call, so we can
>> start a discussion and prepare beforehand.  there is a lot of expectation
>> within the council from this first strategic meeting.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
>> Date: 2017-11-09 13:40 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: [council] GNSO Council strategic planning session - first draft
>> agenda for your input
>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>, gnso-secs at icann.org
>>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> In Part II of the Council meeting on 1 November (in Abu Dhabi), Donna and
>> I provided a high-level introduction to the rough draft agenda for our
>> January strategic planning session, as developed by me, Donna and James.
>>
>> We have received funding for 3 full days.
>>
>> Secretariat team, please could we add this to the November 30 Council
>> agenda as a discussion item? Council colleagues, please consider the draft
>> and seize the opportunity to make suggestions/ask questions at our next
>> meeting.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Heather
>>
>>
>>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Nov 14 01:02:02 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 18:02:02 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
In-Reply-To: <1881284379.691167.1510535270041@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <nV0ZxsBDx4adxABQWuPxavTyMZWLaKQeM_bG2PeBvu1plA3GG4sxkcpznngaNOBGfgRuGjY_wv-MQIBGQT_SXpj1LogX2_lt5vdZj2BGOLo=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi all,

This comment is shaping up well I think; thanks to all who made contributions to the document over the past 24 hours (I think nearly all of the PC commented). If you could please take another [look over the document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing), you might note it has changed since you last reviewed it. It seems we have all, broadly, been in agreement with it so far.

I apologise Juan, I seem to have inadvertently deleted one of your comments re: hotel. If you do not think the current questionnaire response addresses your earlier comment, could you please add it again? Thank you.

Best wishes,

Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
> Local Time: 13 November 2017 1:07 AM
> UTC Time: 13 November 2017 01:07
> From: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Dear Ayden,
> Thanks for start this document. I thought I wasn't to make comments on this, but I have wrote some lines in the document you shared before. I think we need to refine it, but still we have some questions without answer.
>
> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia
> Communications Committee Chair. Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANN
> Cluster Orinoco TIC member
> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
>
> Cel. +57 3017435600
> Twitter: [@JmanuRojas](http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas)
>
> El s?bado, 11 de noviembre de 2017 9:23:10 a. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:
>
> Well, I said I wouldn't comment on this, but I have. I have drafted some responses to a few of the questions on the travel consultation because I do feel very strongly here that it needs to change. This is still incomplete so please do add your thoughts [directly to the Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing) - the deadline for submission is about a week away. Thanks.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing
>
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 01:59:41 2017
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:59:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
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Message-ID: <61438366.1390134.1510617581897@mail.yahoo.com>

  Dear all,?I was checking the document. I just wrote my comment again, I think it is in part covered by some of the previous text but I prefer to be explicit in the answers.?
I was also trying to link google document on our comment wiki but I couldn't, anyone could make it, please? That link it does not exist on it. Also, I was trying to edit the link for Reserve Funds, because the document shared by Ayden it hasn't link either on the wiki and sometimes it is not easy to find.?
Kind regards,
JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Presidente?-?AGEIA DENSI?ColombiaCommunications Committee Chair.?Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANNCluster Orinoco TIC memberMaster IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
Cel. +57 3017435600
Twitter:?@JmanuRojas





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    El lunes, 13 de noviembre de 2017 6:02:12 p. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:  
 
 Hi all,

This comment is shaping up well I think; thanks to all who made contributions to the document over the past 24 hours (I think nearly all of the PC commented). If you could please take another look over the document, you might note it has changed since you last reviewed it. It seems we have all, broadly, been in agreement with it so far.??

I apologise Juan, I seem to have inadvertently deleted one of your comments re: hotel. If you do not think the current questionnaire response addresses your earlier comment, could you please add it again? Thank you.

Best wishes,

Ayden




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
Local Time: 13 November 2017 1:07 AM
UTC Time: 13 November 2017 01:07
From: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Dear Ayden,?
Thanks for start this document. I thought I wasn't to make comments on this, but I have wrote some lines in the document you shared before. I think we need to refine it, but still we have some questions without answer.?

JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
Presidente?-?AGEIA DENSI?ColombiaCommunications Committee Chair.?Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANN
Cluster Orinoco TIC member
Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes

Cel. +57 3017435600
Twitter:?@JmanuRojas



? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?


El s?bado, 11 de noviembre de 2017 9:23:10 a. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:


Well, I said I wouldn't comment on this, but I have. I have drafted some responses to a few of the questions on the travel consultation because I do feel very strongly here that it needs to change. This is still incomplete so please do add your thoughts directly to the Google Doc - the deadline for submission is about a week away. Thanks.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing

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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Nov 14 02:03:43 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:03:43 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
In-Reply-To: <61438366.1390134.1510617581897@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <nV0ZxsBDx4adxABQWuPxavTyMZWLaKQeM_bG2PeBvu1plA3GG4sxkcpznngaNOBGfgRuGjY_wv-MQIBGQT_SXpj1LogX2_lt5vdZj2BGOLo=@ferdeline.com>
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Hi Juan,

I don't have the 'edit' function on the wiki either. I tried earlier today but was not able to modify the page. However, here is the link to the (proposed) Reserve Fund comment: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing.

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
> Local Time: 13 November 2017 11:59 PM
> UTC Time: 13 November 2017 23:59
> From: jumaropi at yahoo.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Dear all,
> I was checking the document. I just wrote my comment again, I think it is in part covered by some of the previous text but I prefer to be explicit in the answers.
>
> I was also trying to link google document on our comment wiki but I couldn't, anyone could make it, please? That link it does not exist on it. Also, I was trying to edit the link for Reserve Funds, because the document shared by Ayden it hasn't link either on the wiki and sometimes it is not easy to find.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia
> Communications Committee Chair. Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANN
> Cluster Orinoco TIC member
> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
>
> Cel. +57 3017435600
> Twitter: [@JmanuRojas](http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas)
>
> El lunes, 13 de noviembre de 2017 6:02:12 p. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:
>
> Hi all,
>
> This comment is shaping up well I think; thanks to all who made contributions to the document over the past 24 hours (I think nearly all of the PC commented). If you could please take another [look over the document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing), you might note it has changed since you last reviewed it. It seems we have all, broadly, been in agreement with it so far.
>
> I apologise Juan, I seem to have inadvertently deleted one of your comments re: hotel. If you do not think the current questionnaire response addresses your earlier comment, could you please add it again? Thank you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Response - Travel Consultation
>> Local Time: 13 November 2017 1:07 AM
>> UTC Time: 13 November 2017 01:07
>> From: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Dear Ayden,
>> Thanks for start this document. I thought I wasn't to make comments on this, but I have wrote some lines in the document you shared before. I think we need to refine it, but still we have some questions without answer.
>>
>> JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
>> Presidente - AGEIA DENSI Colombia
>> Communications Committee Chair. Non-for-Profit Operational Concerns Constituency (NPOC) - ICANN
>> Cluster Orinoco TIC member
>> Master IT candidate, Universidad de los Andes
>>
>> Cel. +57 3017435600
>> Twitter: [@JmanuRojas](http://www.twitter.com/jmanurojas)
>>
>> El s?bado, 11 de noviembre de 2017 9:23:10 a. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:
>>
>> Well, I said I wouldn't comment on this, but I have. I have drafted some responses to a few of the questions on the travel consultation because I do feel very strongly here that it needs to change. This is still incomplete so please do add your thoughts [directly to the Google Doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing) - the deadline for submission is about a week away. Thanks.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> ?Ayden
>> _______________________________________________
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 15:34:52 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 22:34:52 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re:
 [Ssr2-review] Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security
 and Stability Review
Message-ID: <CAH5sThnbUjKc9TVgEHxU0eht8m_yQSAfUOH4MW4X=zWrBfcASA@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,

this is a follow-up of the discussion we had in AD about the SSR2.
I agree with Heather point about documenting concerns regarding the team at
least to be fair to its members that community appointed.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-11-14 10:52 GMT+09:00
Subject: [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review]
Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and Stability
Review
To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>


Dear Council colleagues,

An update on the status of SSR2 and the involvement of the SO/AC leaders.

We (SO/AC leaders) received the emails below from Denise and SSR2 with
attached scoping document and skills matrix, and a request as to whether
this meets our requirements to "unpause" their work. We met a few hours ago
(our first call since ICANN60) to discuss.

My initial response to the SO/AC leaders was that I felt that we
collectively were now placed in a difficult position by the Board, as it
was the Board's requirements (the detail and extent of which are still only
specified at a high level) that occasioned the "pause", and now we're being
asked by SSR2 if their documentation meets the community's requirements.
While I acknowledge that SO/AC leaders collectively took responsibility for
re-starting SSR2 in our email of 2 Nov, in practice this is awkward, as we
have somehow assumed the Board's (and/or SSAC's) concerns. My view on this
was not shared by SSAC (logical, given their letter to Board re SSR2), nor
by ccNSO, ALAC or RSSAC (GAC not present on the call)- it seems these
communities have concerns about SSR2 but there is reluctance to document
these formally.

Concerns were raised by other leaders about the group's ability to work
together constructively. I haven't heard anything to this extent, so
insisted that, if this is the case, it needs to be documented.

The proposed path forward, which I generally support provided that it is
done in such a way as to preserve the integrity of SSR2, is to follow up on
their skills matrix with specific questions about what SSR2 participants
believe, if anything, the community can do (ie, add members to SSR2 to fill
weaker skill areas) to facilitate their work.

We're looking at a next call in one week's time, in order to get back to
SSR2 as quickly as possible.

Please take the skills matrix and scoping document back to your SGs and Cs
for discussion. If your groups believe it is helpful or appropriate to
provide input to SSR2, please do so directly.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Heather


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Denise Michel <denisemichel at fb.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [soac-chairs] [Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review] Statement
from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and Stability Review
To: SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>, SO/AC Leadership List <
soac-leaders at icann.org>
Cc: SSR2 <ssr2-review at icann.org>


Dear SO & AC Chairs:



Please find attached a description of the SSR2 Review Team?s perspective of
the scope of this review, and a skill matrix developed and completed by a
majority of the Team. As requested, the SSR2 is completing these requested
items to ?[resolve] the issues identified and discussed before and during
ICANN60 related to scope and skills.?



We hope this meets your requirements regarding the Review Team?s
perspective on the scope of this review and relevant, useful skills. The
current Terms of Reference for SSR2?s efforts up to the point of this pause
in our actions, including a detailed view of the scope of the review, can
be found here
<https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/Terms+of+Reference?preview=/64076120/64948210/SSR2-TermsofReference-CLEAN%20v4.0%20ET.docx>.
Additional information on SSR2 activities, including the work plan can be
found on the Review Team?s wiki
<https://community.icann.org/display/SSR/SSR2+Review>.



Please let us know if you require anything further.



We?d appreciate confirmation of receipt of this email and of the 4 Nov.
email (copy included below), as well as a response to our previous request
for information regarding the Team?s ?un-pausing? (see below).



Regards,



The Second Security, Stability, and Resiliency of the DNS Review Team (SSR2)






*From: *<ssr2-review-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Denise Michel <
denisemichel at fb.com>
*Date: *Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 12:16 AM
*To: *SO-AC Chairs List <soac-chairs at icann.org>, SO/AC Leadership List <
soac-leaders at icann.org>
*Cc: *SSR2 <ssr2-review at icann.org>
*Subject: *[Potential Spoof] Re: [Ssr2-review] Statement from SO/AC Chairs
on the suspension of the Security and Stability Review



Dear SO/AC Chairs:



As one of the co-chairs of the SSR2, I?ve been asked to share an informal
update on the Review Team?s work, and a query.



The SSR2 met Friday 3 Nov., addressed scope and skills as directed, and
then adjourned, since our work is ?paused.?  Specifically, the Review Team
developed a skills matrix and a document clarifying SSR2?s scope/terms of
reference. These drafts have been shared with all Review Team members for
edits (not all participated in the 3 Nov. meeting), and we plan to finalize
and deliver them to you next week. (Note that SSR2 operates by consensus
and input from all Team members may necessitate a slight extension of this
schedule, or not).



The SSR2 would appreciate receiving information from the chairs on how and
when you will decide on ?un-pausing? this review.  As you can appreciate,
the Review Team?s volunteers would like more certainty as to their
schedules. SSR2 previously planned a January face-to-face drafting session
for which time has been blocked on our calendars and travel arrangements
have been made. Please advise if we should cancel these.



Please let us know if you need anything else from the Review Team (cc?d).



Best,

Denise



Denise Michel

*denisemichel at fb.com <denisemichel at fb.com>*







*From: *Patrik F?ltstr?m <paf at frobbit.se>
*Date: *Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 7:29 PM
*To: *Denise Michel <denisemichel at fb.com>
*Cc: *SO/AC Leadership List <soac-leaders at icann.org>, SO-AC Chairs List <
soac-chairs at icann.org>, ICANN Board <icann-board at icann.org>, SSR2 <
ssr2-review at icann.org>, Eric Osterweil <eosterweil at verisign.com>
*Subject: *Re: Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the
Security and Stability Review



Your interpretation is correct. The goal now is to unpause SSR2.



Please not that I do not have posting rights to the SSR2 list, so the
moderated message must be released or forwarded by someone with posting
rights.



   Best, Patrik


On 2 Nov 2017, at 21:06, Denise Michel <denisemichel at fb.com> wrote:

Thanks for forwarding, Patrick.



Could the SO/AC Chairs please clarify the SSR2?s status tonight as the SSR2
is meeting tomorrow morning.



My quick read of this indicates that SSR2 is still ?paused? except that the
Team is to address ?resolving the issues identified and discussed before
and during ICANN60 related to scope and skills.?  That takes the work plan
and other items off the table.



Thanks for clarifying.



Best

Denise



Denise Michel

Sent via phone

_____________________________
From: Patrik F?ltstr?m <paf at frobbit.se>
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 7:42 PM
Subject: Statement from SO/AC Chairs on the suspension of the Security and
Stability Review
To: SO/AC Leadership List <soac-leaders at icann.org>, SO-AC Chairs List <
soac-chairs at icann.org>, ICANN Board <icann-board at icann.org>, SSR2 <
ssr2-review at icann.org>, Osterweil, Eric <eosterweil at verisign.com>, Denise
Michel <denisemichel at fb.com>



STATEMENT FROM SO/AC CHAIRS ON THE SUSPENSION OF THE SECURITY AND STABILITY
REVIEW

The Chairs of ICANN?s Supporting Organizations (SOs) and Advisory
Committees (ACs) acknowledge the 28 October 2017 announcement from the
Board of Directors, pausing the work of the Security, Stability and
Resiliency Review Team (SSR2-RT), and the Board's having tasked the SOs and
ACs in sessions this week with addressing concerns raised by the Board,
Organizational Effectiveness Committee (OEC), and the Security and
Stability Advisory Committee (SSAC).

Collectively, we accept responsibility for getting SSR2-RT restarted as
expeditiously as possible. During various sessions throughout ICANN60, our
groups have met with the Board and/or members of SSR2-RT to hear their
concerns. We intend to continue to consult with our respective communities,
and each other, to assess and address issues relating to the scope,
composition and participation, resource utilization, and overall work plan
of the Review.

Additionally, the Board?s unilateral decision to suspend the work of a key
accountability mechanism has raised questions that go to the independence
of SSR2-RT, and specific reviews going forward. As a follow-on effort, we
intend to examine the selection and scoping process for review teams, and
develop a clear and predictable process for raising and addressing concerns
about review teams. We also intend to carefully consider the Board's
action, with a view to preventing similar instances in the future. We look
forward to working collaboratively with the Board, SSR2-RT and the broader
community on this task.

The SO/AC Chairs support the SSR2 RT meeting on Friday, 3 November 2017,
and followup telephone conferences when needed. These are necessary so that
the team can work on resolving the issues identified and discussed before
and during ICANN60 related to scope and skills.

Finally, we wish to acknowledge the efforts of our colleagues on the
SSR2-RT to date, and thank them for their continued commitment towards
security, stability and resiliency.

Alan Greenberg (Chair ALAC)
Patrik F?ltstr?m (Outgoing Chair SSAC)
Rod Rasmussen (Incoming Chair SSAC)
Katrina Sataki (Chair ccNSO)
Thomas Schneider (Outgoing Chair GAC)
Manal Ismail (Incoming Chair GAC)
James Bladel (Outgoing Chair GNSO Council)
Heather Forrest (Incoming Chair GNSO Council)
Tripti Sinha(Co-Chair RSSAC)
Brad Verd (Co-Chair RSSAC)



_______________________________________________
soac-chairs mailing list
soac-chairs at icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/soac-chairs



_______________________________________________
council mailing list
council at gnso.icann.org
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/council
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 02:00:29 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:00:29 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review
 Working Group Members
In-Reply-To: <E8BC6708-C862-4745-829C-3DEB4A062C23@icann.org>
References: <E8BC6708-C862-4745-829C-3DEB4A062C23@icann.org>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThk9aRU9UVbpUqKhfqBZ+zJtSNryQFKxM4O0vs4K-xE8iw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint
representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative for
NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate
representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.

we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if NCSG
PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working Group
Members
To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org>


Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,



It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has often
been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been represented.  The
WG noted that this could be a consequence of the timing of the meetings
being inconvenient, but noted also that it would be helpful to confirm the
primary and alternate members.



Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to SG/Cs
to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate members?
please see below the list of members with the primary and alternate members
identified, and also at: https://community.icann.org/di
splay/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list. We ask all members to consult with
their SG/Cs to confirm your primary and alternate members.  We request that
you do so at your earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there are
changes we can be notified before the *14 December meeting*.



Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)

TBD, RrSG (alternate)

Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)

Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)

Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)

Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)

Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)

Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)

Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)

Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)

TBD, BC (alternate)



Best regards,

Julie



Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Nov 18 02:22:21 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 01:22:21 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
 Review Working Group Members
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThk9aRU9UVbpUqKhfqBZ+zJtSNryQFKxM4O0vs4K-xE8iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8BC6708-C862-4745-829C-3DEB4A062C23@icann.org>
 <CAH5sThk9aRU9UVbpUqKhfqBZ+zJtSNryQFKxM4O0vs4K-xE8iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d990a5c4-6a45-ae6e-88b0-e2e830395f0c@mpicc.de>

Hi all,

I would totally support confirming Rafik as a primary NCSG representative.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 17/11/17 01:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint
> representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative
> for NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate
> representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.
>
> we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if
> NCSG PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Julie Hedlund* <julie.hedlund at icann.org
> <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
> Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working
> Group Members
> To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>"
> <gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>>
>
>
> Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,
>
>  
>
> It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has
> often been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been
> represented.  The WG noted that this could be a consequence of the
> timing of the meetings being inconvenient, but noted also that it
> would be helpful to confirm the primary and alternate members.
>
>  
>
> Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to
> SG/Cs to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate
> members? please see below the list of members with the primary and
> alternate members identified, and also at:
> https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list
> <https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list>.
> We ask all members to consult with their SG/Cs to confirm your primary
> and alternate members.  We request that you do so at your earliest
> convenience, but ideally so that if there are changes we can be
> notified before the _14 December meeting_. 
>
>  
>
> Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)
>
> TBD, RrSG (alternate)      
>
> Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)
>
> Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)
>
> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)
>
> Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)
>
> Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)
>
> Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)
>
> Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)
>
> Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)
>
> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)
>
> TBD, BC (alternate)
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Julie
>
>  
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 13:04:23 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:04:23 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThnYYeef7oogrM0rtJLGqWitnTJk563siFoGJGfRj5kcPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThnfEPcWbzz5YR7ZZd098MinRU9VfRzuijRvigLqFq8wkw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmtMVBKKtcX+fcOAL7Oh=y99Qv_1OfqvkbqQqhiigmb5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThn-OfcEPKueRO27P5FQ9xwvN4KWqc5v-eJXK9SuEuqSZg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnYYeef7oogrM0rtJLGqWitnTJk563siFoGJGfRj5kcPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sThkqQEk862JYt5q7yCbi7Yk1YnwQRbznxa8Z++htAwcBow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG
members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get
it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input
is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
please share your support or not on the list asap.
Thanks.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu


 hi all,

a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking
for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the
travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached
paper.

In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the
questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation.
Deadline for submission is the 17th November.

Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/docume
nt/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129

Best,

Rafik
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 18 13:06:46 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 06:06:46 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
	consultation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkqQEk862JYt5q7yCbi7Yk1YnwQRbznxa8Z++htAwcBow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThnfEPcWbzz5YR7ZZd098MinRU9VfRzuijRvigLqFq8wkw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmtMVBKKtcX+fcOAL7Oh=y99Qv_1OfqvkbqQqhiigmb5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThn-OfcEPKueRO27P5FQ9xwvN4KWqc5v-eJXK9SuEuqSZg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnYYeef7oogrM0rtJLGqWitnTJk563siFoGJGfRj5kcPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThkqQEk862JYt5q7yCbi7Yk1YnwQRbznxa8Z++htAwcBow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-yj5xccrQMNF8ZQZ5XGUyX0XWOSKKcWxV1_bL2nxgb0r-jHZFUhXGR8X1MzxVBBHXpWB2BKNWp2zOH81X0ZPNpkMbwxOPIPv0iXuRNqBzgo=@ferdeline.com>

I support its submission. Thank you.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
> please share your support or not on the list asap.
> Thanks.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
>  hi all,
>
> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
>
> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.
>
> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Nov 18 13:08:20 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 12:08:20 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
In-Reply-To: <-yj5xccrQMNF8ZQZ5XGUyX0XWOSKKcWxV1_bL2nxgb0r-jHZFUhXGR8X1MzxVBBHXpWB2BKNWp2zOH81X0ZPNpkMbwxOPIPv0iXuRNqBzgo=@ferdeline.com>
References: <CAH5sThnfEPcWbzz5YR7ZZd098MinRU9VfRzuijRvigLqFq8wkw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThmtMVBKKtcX+fcOAL7Oh=y99Qv_1OfqvkbqQqhiigmb5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThn-OfcEPKueRO27P5FQ9xwvN4KWqc5v-eJXK9SuEuqSZg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThnYYeef7oogrM0rtJLGqWitnTJk563siFoGJGfRj5kcPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sThkqQEk862JYt5q7yCbi7Yk1YnwQRbznxa8Z++htAwcBow@mail.gmail.com>
 <-yj5xccrQMNF8ZQZ5XGUyX0XWOSKKcWxV1_bL2nxgb0r-jHZFUhXGR8X1MzxVBBHXpWB2BKNWp2zOH81X0ZPNpkMbwxOPIPv0iXuRNqBzgo=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <75823169-34e7-92fd-5447-4cd7368014ac@mpicc.de>

Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and
helped to shape the comment.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> I support its submission. Thank you.
>
> ?Ayden 
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
>> consultation
>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG
>> members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to
>> get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that
>> our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted
>> or reworded.
>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>>  hi all,
>>
>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff
>> asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to
>> update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background
>> on the attached paper.
>>
>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to
>> the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the
>> consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November. 
>>
>> Please find the draft comment for review here
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129>  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 17:47:51 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 12:47:51 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
In-Reply-To: <75823169-34e7-92fd-5447-4cd7368014ac@mpicc.de>
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As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).

I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well). 

So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it. 

Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..

Cheers,
Mart?n



> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
> 
> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment. 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya 
> 
> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> I support its submission. Thank you.
>> 
>> ?Ayden 
>> 
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
>>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  hi all,
>>> 
>>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
>>> 
>>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November. 
>>> 
>>> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129>  
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Nov 18 18:15:36 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Tropina, Tatiana)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 16:15:36 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
In-Reply-To: <1AE9D0E9-7CB4-4E2C-B0B3-F67E6EBC34E8@gmail.com>
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Hi Martin, 
May we clarify which document you disagree with? 
Rafik is trying to endorse NCSG response here, not a Council response. The NCSG response was drafted by our membership and all concerns raised here were addressed. The doc was on the NCSG mailing list. It answers from the SG perspective. 
As for the council document, the leading drafter is Michele and sure thing Donna's and others concerns will be addressed in consensus. 
Cheers
Tanya 
________________________________________
From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent [mpsilvavalent at gmail.com]
Sent: 18 November 2017 16:47
To: Tropina, Tatiana
Cc: Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC
Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation

As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).

I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well).

So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it.

Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..

Cheers,
Mart?n



On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de<mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:


Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment.

Cheers,

Tanya

On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
I support its submission. Thank you.

?Ayden


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>

Hi all,

We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
please share your support or not on the list asap.
Thanks.

Best,

Rafik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu<mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>


 hi all,

a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.

In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.

Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129

Best,

Rafik




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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 18:32:21 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:32:21 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
In-Reply-To: <C09869F355AA5A4F9F54D5C90247F01901222DE186@UM-excdag-a02.um.gwdg.de>
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Message-ID: <F7932698-D468-438E-8A68-A8F3006655C4@gmail.com>

I am talking about the document sent to the council. Since it was drafted by us, I will fully support it, but I am giving my personal opinion on what I think here. You can disregard it if it comes too late or is not productive at this stage, again, I will support what we decide to go for. 

Cheers,
Mart?n
 

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Tropina, Tatiana <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin, 
> May we clarify which document you disagree with? 
> Rafik is trying to endorse NCSG response here, not a Council response. The NCSG response was drafted by our membership and all concerns raised here were addressed. The doc was on the NCSG mailing list. It answers from the SG perspective. 
> As for the council document, the leading drafter is Michele and sure thing Donna's and others concerns will be addressed in consensus. 
> Cheers
> Tanya 
> ________________________________________
> From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent [mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>]
> Sent: 18 November 2017 16:47
> To: Tropina, Tatiana
> Cc: Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> 
> As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).
> 
> I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well).
> 
> So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it.
> 
> Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..
> 
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de><mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya
> 
> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> I support its submission. Thank you.
> 
> ?Ayden
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
> please share your support or not on the list asap.
> Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu><mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>
> 
> 
> hi all,
> 
> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
> 
> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.
> 
> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129>
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Sat Nov 18 18:39:13 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:39:13 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
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Hi Martin,

ah, clear then! Thanks for the heads up and for the explanation! Lets
see what will go to the council list but right mow I think we have to do
is to send the NCSG response as well as it differs from the Council and
outlines our travel concerns, such as visa costs, IGF slots, etc etc
etc, which are not in the council document.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 18/11/17 17:32, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
> I am talking about the document sent to the council. Since it was
> drafted by us, I will fully support it, but I am giving my personal
> opinion on what I think here. You can disregard it if it comes too
> late or is not productive at this stage, again, I will support what we
> decide to go for. 
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>  
>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Tropina, Tatiana <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martin, 
>> May we clarify which document you disagree with? 
>> Rafik is trying to endorse NCSG response here, not a Council
>> response. The NCSG response was drafted by our membership and all
>> concerns raised here were addressed. The doc was on the NCSG mailing
>> list. It answers from the SG perspective. 
>> As for the council document, the leading drafter is Michele and sure
>> thing Donna's and others concerns will be addressed in consensus. 
>> Cheers
>> Tanya 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent [mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>]
>> Sent: 18 November 2017 16:47
>> To: Tropina, Tatiana
>> Cc: Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
>> consultation
>>
>> As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at
>> ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the
>> questions in the council should be first towards getting information
>> so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment
>> on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too
>> much, or that we might just want something different as a community,
>> but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are
>> talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we
>> should have more info available to not have to ask basics).
>>
>> I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be
>> discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community
>> statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing
>> and maybe want to include other programs as well).
>>
>> So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an
>> informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account
>> a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it.
>>
>> Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will
>> support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of
>> work..
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de
>> <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de><mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and
>> helped to shape the comment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> I support its submission. Thank you.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
>> consultation
>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG
>> members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to
>> get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that
>> our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted
>> or reworded.
>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu><mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff
>> asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to
>> update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background
>> on the attached paper.
>>
>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to
>> the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the
>> consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.
>>
>> Please find the draft comment for review
>> here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 18:41:49 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 13:41:49 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
 consultation
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Fair enough! God speed from here!


> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> ah, clear then! Thanks for the heads up and for the explanation! Lets see what will go to the council list but right mow I think we have to do is to send the NCSG response as well as it differs from the Council and outlines our travel concerns, such as visa costs, IGF slots, etc etc etc, which are not in the council document. 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya 
> 
> On 18/11/17 17:32, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>> I am talking about the document sent to the council. Since it was drafted by us, I will fully support it, but I am giving my personal opinion on what I think here. You can disregard it if it comes too late or is not productive at this stage, again, I will support what we decide to go for. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n
>>  
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Tropina, Tatiana <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Martin, 
>>> May we clarify which document you disagree with? 
>>> Rafik is trying to endorse NCSG response here, not a Council response. The NCSG response was drafted by our membership and all concerns raised here were addressed. The doc was on the NCSG mailing list. It answers from the SG perspective. 
>>> As for the council document, the leading drafter is Michele and sure thing Donna's and others concerns will be addressed in consensus. 
>>> Cheers
>>> Tanya 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Martin Pablo Silva Valent [mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>]
>>> Sent: 18 November 2017 16:47
>>> To: Tropina, Tatiana
>>> Cc: Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>> 
>>> As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).
>>> 
>>> I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well).
>>> 
>>> So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it.
>>> 
>>> Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mart?n
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de><mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Tanya
>>> 
>>> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>> I support its submission. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> ?Ayden
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>><mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
>>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com><mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu><mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi all,
>>> 
>>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
>>> 
>>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.
>>> 
>>> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129>
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is><mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>>
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Sat Nov 18 18:58:29 2017
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:58:29 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
 Review Working Group Members
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Hello Tatiana,

I totally support Rafik too +1

On 18 November 2017 at 01:22, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I would totally support confirming Rafik as a primary NCSG representative.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 17/11/17 01:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint
> representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative for
> NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate
> representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.
>
> we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if
> NCSG PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
> Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
> Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working
> Group Members
> To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org>
>
>
> Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,
>
>
>
> It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has often
> been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been represented.  The
> WG noted that this could be a consequence of the timing of the meetings
> being inconvenient, but noted also that it would be helpful to confirm the
> primary and alternate members.
>
>
>
> Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to
> SG/Cs to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate
> members? please see below the list of members with the primary and
> alternate members identified, and also at: https://community.icann.org/di
> splay/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list. We ask all members to consult
> with their SG/Cs to confirm your primary and alternate members.  We request
> that you do so at your earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there
> are changes we can be notified before the *14 December meeting*.
>
>
>
> Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)
>
> TBD, RrSG (alternate)
>
> Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)
>
> Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)
>
> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)
>
> Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)
>
> Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)
>
> Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)
>
> Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)
>
> Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)
>
> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)
>
> TBD, BC (alternate)
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>
>
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> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
>


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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 19:08:45 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:08:45 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
 Review Working Group Members
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+1 all the way.

> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
> 
> Hello Tatiana,
> 
> I totally support Rafik too +1
> 
> On 18 November 2017 at 01:22, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would totally support confirming Rafik as a primary NCSG representative. 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tanya 
> 
> On 17/11/17 01:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative for NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.
>> 
>> we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if NCSG PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rafik
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
>> Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
>> Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working Group Members
>> To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>>
>> 
>> 
>> Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,
>> 
>>  
>> It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has often been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been represented.  The WG noted that this could be a consequence of the timing of the meetings being inconvenient, but noted also that it would be helpful to confirm the primary and alternate members.
>> 
>>  
>> Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to SG/Cs to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate members? please see below the list of members with the primary and alternate members identified, and also at: https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list <https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list>. We ask all members to consult with their SG/Cs to confirm your primary and alternate members.  We request that you do so at your earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there are changes we can be notified before the 14 December meeting. 
>> 
>>  
>> Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)
>> 
>> TBD, RrSG (alternate)      
>> 
>> Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)
>> 
>> Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)
>> 
>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)
>> 
>> Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)
>> 
>> Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)
>> 
>> Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)
>> 
>> Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)
>> 
>> Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)
>> 
>> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)
>> 
>> TBD, BC (alternate)
>> 
>>  
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Julie
>> 
>>  
>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> MDI Road Kanifing South
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> Cell:(220) 9912508
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sat Nov 18 21:22:38 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:22:38 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
	consultation
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Hi Mart?n,

Thank you for flagging this.

Following on from a message Tanya sent, I have just sent an email to the Council list suggesting the removal of the text that you commented on, suggesting that in its response, the Council simply remain silent on all capacity building programmes.

I hope this will be agreeable to all parties.

Best wishes,

Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
> Local Time: 18 November 2017 3:47 PM
> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 15:47
> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).
>
> I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well).
>
> So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it.
>
> Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
>>
>> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tanya
>>
>> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>
>>> I support its submission. Thank you.
>>>
>>> ?Ayden
>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>>>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> To: ncsg-pc [<ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>](mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is)
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
>>>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>>>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>
>>>>  hi all,
>>>>
>>>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
>>>>
>>>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November.
>>>>
>>>> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 23:13:44 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:13:44 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
	Review Working Group Members
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If Rafik wants to remain, then i am fine with that as well. We should open up consultations for the alternate position asap

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Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:08 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 all the way.
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Tatiana,
>> 
>> I totally support Rafik too +1
>> 
>>> On 18 November 2017 at 01:22, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I would totally support confirming Rafik as a primary NCSG representative. 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Tanya 
>>> 
>>>> On 17/11/17 01:00, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative for NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.
>>>> 
>>>> we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if NCSG PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
>>>> Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
>>>> Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working Group Members
>>>> To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has often been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been represented.  The WG noted that this could be a consequence of the timing of the meetings being inconvenient, but noted also that it would be helpful to confirm the primary and alternate members.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to SG/Cs to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate members? please see below the list of members with the primary and alternate members identified, and also at: https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list. We ask all members to consult with their SG/Cs to confirm your primary and alternate members.  We request that you do so at your earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there are changes we can be notified before the 14 December meeting. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> TBD, RrSG (alternate)      
>>>> 
>>>> Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)
>>>> 
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)
>>>> 
>>>> Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)
>>>> 
>>>> Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)
>>>> 
>>>> TBD, BC (alternate)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Julie
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 23:15:57 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:15:57 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
	consultation
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I do support this submission (the submission by NCSG)!
Thank you everyone for your contributions!

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Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mart?n,
> 
> Thank you for flagging this.
> 
> Following on from a message Tanya sent, I have just sent an email to the Council list suggesting the removal of the text that you commented on, suggesting that in its response, the Council simply remain silent on all capacity building programmes.
> 
> I hope this will be agreeable to all parties.
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Ayden
> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 3:47 PM
>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 15:47
>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>> To: Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
>> Juan Manuel Rojas via NCSG-PC <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>> 
>> As I stated in Abu Dhabi, I share this concern since I started at ICANN and have been working on it since then, but I think the questions in the council should be first towards getting information so we can later come to a conclusion, it feels there is a prejudgment on wether the program is not fulfilling it?s mission or cost too much, or that we might just want something different as a community, but to get there we first need to understand it fully, if not, we are talking in the dark (which might be part of our conclusion, that we should have more info available to not have to ask basics).
>> 
>> I also understand Donna, that this might not need Council level to be discussed, specially at a stage of research and not actual community statement (that would require al SO to get behind a specific writing and maybe want to include other programs as well). 
>> 
>> So I do not support the current document unless it either reflects an informational concern rather than a prejudgment, and take sin account a lighter approach that would not make other SO oppose it. 
>> 
>> Of course, this is my opinion internally here, on the council I will support any decision the group makes as it is my duty and dynamic of work..
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Likewise, this gets my endorsement. Thanks to all who weighed in and helped to shape the comment. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Tanya 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 18/11/17 12:06, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>>> I support its submission. Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> ?Ayden 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>>>> Local Time: 18 November 2017 11:04 AM
>>>>> UTC Time: 18 November 2017 11:04
>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
>>>>> please share your support or not on the list asap.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
>>>>> Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
>>>>> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached paper.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation. Deadline for submission is the 17th November. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
> 
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sun Nov 19 22:51:13 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 05:51:13 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: Community Travel Support questionnaire -
	consultation
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThkqQEk862JYt5q7yCbi7Yk1YnwQRbznxa8Z++htAwcBow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sThnfEPcWbzz5YR7ZZd098MinRU9VfRzuijRvigLqFq8wkw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sThkxA5jgNz_iX1J9AD-8prAj+ecUZ26YmvoV4-L4JX910A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,


Thanks for responses. Seeing the support and not hearing any objection, I
think we can consider the comment endorsed. I will submit it .

Thanks again,

Best,

Rafik

On Nov 18, 2017 8:04 PM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

We have worked on this comment in the last days and shared with NCSG
members. The deadline was supposedly yesterday and so I would like to get
it endorsed in this weekend so we can submit it and ensure that our input
is considered by staff. most of the changes were accepted or reworded.
please share your support or not on the list asap.
Thanks.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-11-16 23:52 GMT+09:00
Subject: Community Travel Support questionnaire - consultation
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu


 hi all,

a few weeks ago, all SO/AC received a questionnaire from ICANN staff asking
for input regarding the community travel support in order to update the
travel guidelines. you can find more about the background on the attached
paper.

In the last days, members of policy committee worked on responding to the
questionnaire to ensure that NCSG participates in the consultation.
Deadline for submission is the 17th November.

Please find the draft comment for review here https://docs.google.com/docume
nt/d/1CNZrZ1OK9SL416h-lYuearVqDl_8grDsXLEKhwqQBHA/edit?ts=5a0d7129

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 10:01:41 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:01:41 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
 Review Working Group Members
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=-h_0oPYVCeukpYoWRRVbDTq=N3XKx8tm4Uc+QaMthQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8BC6708-C862-4745-829C-3DEB4A062C23@icann.org>
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Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=3oXBHsLSpvvSa1YUqVESSAJ4=qxs2hT9UbdxYi5-vPg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for the responses,
Next step will be to draft the call for interests and requirements for such
alternate rep. Let me try draft something for this week and share it in the
PC list.

Best,

Rafik


On Nov 17, 2017 9:00 AM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or appoint
representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary representative for
NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was the alternate
representative. Since she joined the board, she also asked to be replaced.

we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position and if NCSG
PC want to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG representative.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund at icann.org>
Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review Working Group
Members
To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org" <gnso-review-wg at icann.org>


Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,



It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has often
been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been represented.  The
WG noted that this could be a consequence of the timing of the meetings
being inconvenient, but noted also that it would be helpful to confirm the
primary and alternate members.



Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list to SG/Cs
to see if there need to be updates to the primary or alternate members?
please see below the list of members with the primary and alternate members
identified, and also at: https://community.icann.org/di
splay/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list. We ask all members to consult with
their SG/Cs to confirm your primary and alternate members.  We request that
you do so at your earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there are
changes we can be notified before the *14 December meeting*.



Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)

TBD, RrSG (alternate)

Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)

Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)

Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)

Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)

Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)

Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)

Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)

Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)

TBD, BC (alternate)



Best regards,

Julie



Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
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From avri at apc.org  Mon Nov 20 17:38:24 2017
From: avri at apc.org (avri doria)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:38:24 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO
 Review Working Group Members
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=3oXBHsLSpvvSa1YUqVESSAJ4=qxs2hT9UbdxYi5-vPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E8BC6708-C862-4745-829C-3DEB4A062C23@icann.org>
 <CAH5sThk9aRU9UVbpUqKhfqBZ+zJtSNryQFKxM4O0vs4K-xE8iw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=-h_0oPYVCeukpYoWRRVbDTq=N3XKx8tm4Uc+QaMthQA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=3oXBHsLSpvvSa1YUqVESSAJ4=qxs2hT9UbdxYi5-vPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f308f67-3833-e068-3989-1090091a7f29@apc.org>

hi,

BTW, now that I am also on the OEC, being on the review list as a NCSG
alternate might be awkward.? They probably should told to remove me,
even if it means leaving the alternate open for a bit.

thanks

avri




On 20-Nov-17 03:01, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the responses,
> Next step will be to draft the call for interests and requirements for
> such alternate rep. Let me try draft something for this week and share
> it in the PC list.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik?
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2017 9:00 AM, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     this is a request from the GNSO Review WG to confirm and/or
>     appoint representatives from SG/C. I am currently the primary
>     representative for NCSG (and also GNSO council liaison). Avri was
>     the alternate representative. Since she joined the board,?she also
>     asked to be replaced.
>
>     we can start the call for candidates soon to fill that position
>     and if NCSG PC want?to confirm or replace me as primary NCSG
>     representative.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Rafik
>
>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>     From: *Julie Hedlund* <julie.hedlund at icann.org
>     <mailto:julie.hedlund at icann.org>>
>     Date: 2017-11-17 5:24 GMT+09:00
>     Subject: [Gnso-review-wg] Confirmation Requested: GNSO Review
>     Working Group Members
>     To: "gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>"
>     <gnso-review-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-review-wg at icann.org>>
>
>
>     Dear GNSO Review Working Group members,
>
>     ?
>
>     It was noted during the meeting on 15 November that attendance has
>     often been low at WG meetings and not all SGs and Cs have been
>     represented.? The WG noted that this could be a consequence of the
>     timing of the meetings being inconvenient, but noted also that it
>     would be helpful to confirm the primary and alternate members.
>
>     ?
>
>     Thus, per this action item from the meeting, ?Send membership list
>     to SG/Cs to see if there need to be updates to the primary or
>     alternate members? please see below the list of members with the
>     primary and alternate members identified, and also at:
>     https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list
>     <https://community.icann.org/display/GRWG/WG+members+and+mailing+list>.
>     We ask all members to consult with their SG/Cs to confirm your
>     primary and alternate members.? We request that you do so at your
>     earliest convenience, but ideally so that if there are changes we
>     can be notified before the _14 December meeting_.?
>
>     ?
>
>     Sara Bockey, RrSG (primary)
>
>     TBD, RrSG (alternate)??????
>
>     Jennifer Wolfe, RySG (primary)
>
>     Donna Austin, RySG (alternate)
>
>     Wolf-Ulrich Knoben, ISPCP (primary)
>
>     Osvaldo Novoa, ISPCP (alternate)
>
>     Rafik Dammak, NCSG (primary)
>
>     Avri Doria, NCSG (alternate)
>
>     Lori Schulman, IPC (primary)
>
>     Victoria (Vicky) Sheckler, IPC (alternate)
>
>     Lawrence Olawale-Roberts, BC (primary)
>
>     TBD, BC (alternate)
>
>     ?
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     Julie
>
>     ?
>
>     Julie Hedlund, Policy Director
>
>     ?
>
>     ?
>
>
>
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 20:36:51 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 03:36:51 +0900
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets report
and drafted a short comment for NCSG
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit
. Can you please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us
directly, I think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are
here https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.

Best,

Rafik
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Nov 21 20:01:52 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:01:52 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fw: Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Action Required: Edits to draft
	comments for GNSO SC on ICANN Budget call 20 November 2017 at
	1400 UTC
In-Reply-To: <0b5101d362de$9ab56fc0$d0204f40$@berrycobb.com>
References: <0b5101d362de$9ab56fc0$d0204f40$@berrycobb.com>
Message-ID: <QuyISRvw9qL5XMWqLY0bCf__o9452RYNTjuihY1fEQzK_erCW4HMzk9n7s77XVh0MvBxNfGnnLRjsmO_mHPPXwV8yluGAQCHAW2hDjfYWWU=@ferdeline.com>

Hi all,

Please see below/attached. I put forward the amendment on the call yesterday that we prefer a reserve fund of 24 months based upon discussions on the Google Doc of our (draft) reserve fund comment. Happy to discuss further if there are any questions/concerns. Thanks!

Best wishes, Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-sc-budget] Action Required: Edits to draft comments for GNSO SC on ICANN Budget call 20 November 2017 at 1400 UTC
> Local Time: 21 November 2017 3:37 PM
> UTC Time: 21 November 2017 15:37
> From: mail at berrycobb.com
> To: gnso-sc-budget at icann.org
>
> Hi All,
>
> Please find attached the draft for the ICANN Reserve Fund Target Level as discussed on our call yesterday.  Note that this draft includes two options: the first in support of the 12 to 17 months versus the second option of 24 months as suggested by NCSG.  It may not be possible to resolve the options prior to sending to the Council and perhaps this aspect can be discussed at the Council level on the mail and/or at the Council meeting.
>
> Let?s set a close of edits date by 23:59 UTC, 27 November 2017.  Can I ask for a member of the SC to volunteer to send this to the GNSO Council by the 27th?  Else staff can forward on your behalf.  This should give the Council a few days to review in time for the deadline of 30 November.  Staff will coordinate any issues and eventual posting to the public forum with the GNSO Council leadership and as mentioned, this will be an agenda item at the Council meeting.
>
> Thank you.
>
> B
>
> Berry A. Cobb
>
> 720.839.5735
>
> mail at berrycobb.com
>
> @berrycobb
>
> From: Gnso-sc-budget [mailto:gnso-sc-budget-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Nathalie Peregrine
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 09:46
> To: gnso-sc-budget at icann.org
> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org
> Subject: [Gnso-sc-budget] Recording & attendance GNSO SC on ICANN Budget call 20 November 2017 at 1400 UTC
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please find the Adobe Connect room recording, attendance and AC chat transcript below of the GNSO Standing Committee on ICANN Budget call which took place on the 20 November 2017 at 1400 UTC.
>
> AC recording: [https://participate.icann.org/p4psi5wz65n/](https://participate.icann.org/p4psi5wz65n/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=da98784bd396b38e57f1d982b189a0a8f647aa1f7e8f2c7c1c2566602aaf4d91)
>
> Attendance: Philippe Fouquart, Ayden Federline, Erika Mann
>
> Apology: Michele Neylon
>
> Staff: Berry Cobb, Xavier Calvez, Marika Konings, Steve Chan, Nathalie Peregrine
>
> AC chat:
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the Standing Committee on ICANNs Budget & Operations Planning call on Monday 20 November 2017 at 14:00 UTC
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Agenda page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_aAdyB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=tFoEHdIYu2sWQJKViS-poAkkM4q-vs1HFw4Rvl_dabA&s=-YUypVT-fnyePhy5_KAqu-qQVRJ0MN4lgZf83nfr9_8&e=
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Martin
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Erika Mann has joined the call
>
>   Erika Mann:I can't dial in ... system only offers a mobile function. Adobe call-in system is apparently not activated
>
>   Erika Mann:All fine now.
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:I can dial out to you if you run into issues, Erika, please give me your mobile number in this case.
>
>   Erika Mann:Nathalie - Adobe seems to be working now. Thank you!
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Excellent, thanks Erika :)
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:Can my affiliation please be changed from "NCUC" to "NCSG" on this page. Thank you!
>
>   Nathalie Peregrine:Will do, thanks Ayden
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:Thank you
>
>   Marika Konings:Note that the proposed charter refers to the term observers but you may want to rethink that reference as I think observers in this context are expected to have a more active role than the typical 'observers' (in the context of PDP WGs)
>
>   Marika Konings:the group is still in an informal status, to be able to deal with the two open public comment periods, as Berry notes, the hope is that formal adoption of the charter would happen during the Dec meeting.
>
>   Marika Konings:any statement could be very general, but at least acknowledge that the Council is paying attention.
>
>   Philippe Fouquart:thx Marika maybe think of using a different term or at least clarify the caveat in the call - as observers would be understood to do just that - observe... just a thought
>
>   Erika Mann:Can Xavier explain the rational for 17 month?
>
>   Erika Mann:That's understoond.
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:old hand sorry
>
>   Erika Mann:Yes, it did
>
>   Erika Mann:What 's the future of the gTLD reisk reserve in the budget?
>
>   Erika Mann:For Xavier
>
>   Erika Mann:It's not called reserve ... can't remember the correct name
>
>   Erika Mann:Exactly
>
>   Erika Mann:Can Xavier remind us about the amount left in the risk gtLD budget portion?
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:I think the suggested target is inadequate
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:I prefer 24 months
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:This would be more prudent given legal and regulatory risks that could arise in the near future
>
>   Erika Mann:Ayden - risk issues should not be covered by the reserve fund
>
>   Erika Mann:No, I doubt this is rescommendable ... but le't explore this further
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:I appreciate that the reserve fund should only cover operating expenses, but I think that there needs to be some cushion, somewhere, to cover unexpected expenses (i.e. GDPR fine)...
>
>   Erika Mann:Ayden - the money has to come somewhere from ... onsofar we need further discussions ...
>
>   Erika Mann:Thank you Berry, everyone!
>
>   Philippe Fouquart:Thanks
>
>   Ayden F?rdeline:thanks all
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nathalie
>
> Nathalie Peregrine
>
> Manager, Operations Support (GNSO)
>
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>
> Email: [nathalie.peregrine at icann.org ](nathalie.peregrine at icann.org%20)
>
> Skype: nathalie.peregrine.icann
>
> Find out more about the GNSO by taking our interactive courses and visiting the [GNSO Newcomer pages](https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_sites_gnso.icann.org_files_gnso_presentations_policy-2Defforts.htm-23newcomers&d=DgMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=-d9m4sr16OXloyLjz4TF6npbe51hgE0EHtoX1U6WUOA&s=Bw2Uzbh2Pu1X0lObLtbwtN5ZNEP3ECdPAfcqzVvIOYE&e=)
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 08:18:09 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:18:09 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as an
observer.

Best,

Rafik

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>


Dear Chair

Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?

Thank you
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From kathy at kathykleiman.com  Wed Nov 22 16:58:26 2017
From: kathy at kathykleiman.com (Kathy Kleiman)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:58:26 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2495a154-b082-f141-afc7-940f5907c5de@kathykleiman.com>

Hi Rafik,

Thank!  Per Renata's request, I would be very happy to join the NCSG-PC 
list as an observer.

Best, Kathy


On 11/22/2017 1:18 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as 
> an observer.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Renata Aquino Ribeiro* <raquino at gmail.com 
> <mailto:raquino at gmail.com>>
> Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>
>
> Dear Chair
>
> Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 00:40:04 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:40:04 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH5sTh=ePf988parbzVXrzU0WCbnxo4pNthht09yVKAszeRdAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
the deadline for submission is the 26th November

Best,

Rafik

2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets
> report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/
> document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you
> please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I
> think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Nov 26 17:45:15 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:45:15 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=ePf988parbzVXrzU0WCbnxo4pNthht09yVKAszeRdAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=ePf988parbzVXrzU0WCbnxo4pNthht09yVKAszeRdAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NQIUOBBh3gf-EoVOdjBJSR0jnY28iHOVy2MOCkLe4T2Q7MNM1GrCcSWd7fQGTxY8sIzahsgzAQtBC7tbJDAIIyDwulFR1TM4f-zG1eTg8Rg=@ferdeline.com>

Hi,

I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a comment with more substance.

Best wishes,

Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 18:03:18 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:03:18 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <NQIUOBBh3gf-EoVOdjBJSR0jnY28iHOVy2MOCkLe4T2Q7MNM1GrCcSWd7fQGTxY8sIzahsgzAQtBC7tbJDAIIyDwulFR1TM4f-zG1eTg8Rg=@ferdeline.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=ePf988parbzVXrzU0WCbnxo4pNthht09yVKAszeRdAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <NQIUOBBh3gf-EoVOdjBJSR0jnY28iHOVy2MOCkLe4T2Q7MNM1GrCcSWd7fQGTxY8sIzahsgzAQtBC7tbJDAIIyDwulFR1TM4f-zG1eTg8Rg=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <CAJjnsDFbJe560QxvV7tASdazUAhCCRNFkDACekuwYbcmMui0Gw@mail.gmail.com>

I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If you want
to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let it pass and not
submit anything?

Cheers
Martin

On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have
> missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a
> comment with more substance.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi all,
>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets
>> report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/d
>> ocument/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you
>> please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I
>> think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here
>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Nov 26 18:05:17 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:05:17 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <CAJjnsDFbJe560QxvV7tASdazUAhCCRNFkDACekuwYbcmMui0Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH5sTh=VO06dKqkq3ZmcYxZPn0Rdu7Qkqq+0qAKxYEJve3sN7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=ePf988parbzVXrzU0WCbnxo4pNthht09yVKAszeRdAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <NQIUOBBh3gf-EoVOdjBJSR0jnY28iHOVy2MOCkLe4T2Q7MNM1GrCcSWd7fQGTxY8sIzahsgzAQtBC7tbJDAIIyDwulFR1TM4f-zG1eTg8Rg=@ferdeline.com>
 <CAJjnsDFbJe560QxvV7tASdazUAhCCRNFkDACekuwYbcmMui0Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38tTMq9ucxtM-ms2gXgD3DRxelby4ktEDlyXLBqLaJblwOL4ppYFJb6YEatn5XBihDM-jFqlYJEXHfWpXc60Dn280l-L7ZQPtl5MLif9UNo=@ferdeline.com>

Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I think we can be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not submitting a comment.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
> Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM
> UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03
> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If you want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let it pass and not submit anything?
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
> On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a comment with more substance.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>>> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
>>> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
>>> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>>>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Sun Nov 26 18:56:24 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 11:56:24 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
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I have no objections to Renata, as NCUC Chair, receiving our messages as an observer.

?Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
> Local Time: 22 November 2017 6:18 AM
> UTC Time: 22 November 2017 06:18
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi all,
>
> please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as an observer.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>
> Dear Chair
>
> Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?
>
> Thank you
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Mon Nov 27 00:34:46 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:34:46 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <38tTMq9ucxtM-ms2gXgD3DRxelby4ktEDlyXLBqLaJblwOL4ppYFJb6YEatn5XBihDM-jFqlYJEXHfWpXc60Dn280l-L7ZQPtl5MLif9UNo=@ferdeline.com>
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I agree, I think it is very thin.? Better to say let it pass than to not 
say anything of real substance.

Stephanie Perrin


On 2017-11-26 11:05, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
> Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I think we 
> can be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not submitting a 
> comment.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>> Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM
>> UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03
>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If 
>> you want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let 
>> it pass and not submit anything?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>>
>> On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com 
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we
>>     have missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would
>>     support a comment with more substance.
>>
>>     Best wishes,
>>
>>     Ayden
>>
>>
>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>>>     Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
>>>     UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
>>>     From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>     To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>
>>>     Hi all,
>>>
>>>     it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for
>>>     endorsement.
>>>     the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Rafik
>>>
>>>     2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>>         Hi all,
>>>         one of our new?members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA
>>>         budgets report and drafted a short comment for NCSG
>>>         https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit
>>>         <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit>
>>>         . Can you please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not
>>>         impacting us directly, I think it is important to comment it
>>>         anyway. the reports are here
>>>         https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>>>         <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en>
>>>         the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>>
>>>         Best,
>>>
>>>         Rafik
>>>
>>
>>
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 00:40:54 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:40:54 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
In-Reply-To: <bc3a4351-9601-2abd-8c92-3e9da73d7d0c@mail.utoronto.ca>
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I don?t have a strong opinion here, by intuition I would submit the proposal to state that this is something we are interested to follow, even if just symbolic. However, I trust more in the better judgment and experience of the group that my gut. So if everyone is ok with Ayden and Steph proposal, I?ll support it as well. 

Cheers,
Mart?n


> On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
> 
> I agree, I think it is very thin.  Better to say let it pass than to not say anything of real substance.
> 
> Stephanie Perrin
> 
> On 2017-11-26 11:05, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>> Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I think we can be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not submitting a comment.
>> 
>> ?Ayden 
>> 
>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>>> Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM
>>> UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03
>>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>
>>> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> 
>>> I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If you want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let it pass and not submit anything?
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin 
>>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a comment with more substance.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Ayden  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>>>> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
>>>> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit> . Can you please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en>
>>>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc <https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc>
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 02:19:14 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 00:19:14 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Policy call agenda
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sThmUcGOGdB23GvWRT-W1QoLd5XBKe=xZbDF+9b4KzZs9aA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Please find the draft agenda for NCSG Policy call, Monday 27th November,
22:00UTC

I. Roll call/Introduction
II. GNSO Council Call Preparation

   - Council agenda: https://gnso.icann.org/en/meetings/agenda-
   council-30nov17-en.htm
   - Motions for vote: https://community.icann.org/
   display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+30+November+2017
   <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+30+November+2017>

III. Policy Update
- Planning public comments responses:  https://www.icann.org/public-
comments#open-public  & list of volunteers https://community.
icann.org/display/gnsononcomstake/Public+Comments+-+2017
- Policy topics:
  * Update from working groups, review teams

IV. AOB

Best,

Rafik
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 12:02:41 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:02:41 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
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hi,

I am not sure that a "thin" comment is a reason to not submit it (at least
a good practice for us to cover all public comments as much as possible).
anyway, the deadline passed already (and we didn't ask for an extension)
and I think we have at least to inform as PC to Abdul who volunteered to
draft about such decision.


Best,

Rafik

2017-11-26 22:40 GMT+00:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:

> I don?t have a strong opinion here, by intuition I would submit the
> proposal to state that this is something we are interested to follow, even
> if just symbolic. However, I trust more in the better judgment and
> experience of the group that my gut. So if everyone is ok with Ayden and
> Steph proposal, I?ll support it as well.
>
> Cheers,
> Mart?n
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> I agree, I think it is very thin.  Better to say let it pass than to not
> say anything of real substance.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2017-11-26 11:05, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>
> Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I think we can
> be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not submitting a comment.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
> Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM
> UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03
> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc
> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If you
> want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let it pass and
> not submit anything?
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
> On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have
>> missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a
>> comment with more substance.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
>> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
>> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets
>>> report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/d
>>> ocument/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you
>>> please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I
>>> think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here
>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
>
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>
>
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 12:37:51 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:37:51 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
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Hi all,

I am not very good at this so will avoid any substantive comment and will
also agree with what we will agree on as a group.

My feeling and quick reaction would be submit something (as a way to
encourage the volunteer who at least read the material and offered to
comment) and if at all possible, add more text on it to make a strong
comment.

I saw the few comments (discussion) on the doc and i have the impression
that these can be expanded (if anyone wants to) and be included in our
text, they can make it stronger and ready to be submitted. Also, i believe
we can just share our worries and feelings in form of questions or so which
might help our reader to think further on how to deal with this budget
question. I don't know whether this can be helpful than not submitting
anything at all. I understand we cannot ask for clarification because it is
too late.

Finally, if we decide not to submit this, may i request that we write to
the penholder and explain to him why we are not submitting this one and
offer him suggestions on how he could have done better? This will be more
encouraging to him and show him that he can step forward again for future
opportunities. I am sure our PC Chair will be able to do this.

Thanks,
Arsene

------------------------
**Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*

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<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)

2017-11-27 12:02 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> hi,
>
> I am not sure that a "thin" comment is a reason to not submit it (at least
> a good practice for us to cover all public comments as much as possible).
> anyway, the deadline passed already (and we didn't ask for an extension)
> and I think we have at least to inform as PC to Abdul who volunteered to
> draft about such decision.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-11-26 22:40 GMT+00:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
> mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>
>> I don?t have a strong opinion here, by intuition I would submit the
>> proposal to state that this is something we are interested to follow, even
>> if just symbolic. However, I trust more in the better judgment and
>> experience of the group that my gut. So if everyone is ok with Ayden and
>> Steph proposal, I?ll support it as well.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n
>>
>>
>> On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I agree, I think it is very thin.  Better to say let it pass than to not
>> say anything of real substance.
>>
>> Stephanie Perrin
>>
>> On 2017-11-26 11:05, Ayden F?rdeline wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is what I am suggesting, sorry I wasn't clearer. I think we can
>> be silent on this issue and I therefore propose not submitting a comment.
>>
>> ?Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>> Local Time: 26 November 2017 4:03 PM
>> UTC Time: 26 November 2017 16:03
>> From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>> To: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com>
>> Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc
>> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> I think is fine, I for sure couldn't add more with what I know. If you
>> want to submit it I support it. Ayden, are you proposing to let it pass and
>> not submit anything?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>>
>> On 26 Nov 2017 12:45, "Ayden F?rdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think this comment is too thin to submit, and unfortunately we have
>>> missed the deadline to ask clarifying questions that would support a
>>> comment with more substance.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment on PTI and IANA budget
>>> Local Time: 25 November 2017 10:40 PM
>>> UTC Time: 25 November 2017 22:40
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> it is a reminder that we need to review this comment for endorsement.
>>> the deadline for submission is the 26th November
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-11-20 18:36 GMT+00:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> one of our new members, Abdul Sabor, reviewed the PTI & IANA budgets
>>>> report and drafted a short comment for NCSG https://docs.google.com/d
>>>> ocument/d/1BS08Cq8b9HeosbBBZD4E9cBJBlwduJvu7KPR45oGsOw/edit . Can you
>>>> please review it asap. While the PTI budget is not impacting us directly, I
>>>> think it is important to comment it anyway. the reports are here
>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-pti-iana-fy19-2017-10-09-en
>>>> the deadline for submitting the comment is the 26th November.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>
>>
>
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From farzaneh.badii at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 00:55:26 2017
From: farzaneh.badii at gmail.com (farzaneh badii)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:55:26 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
Message-ID: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>

Councilors,

If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri can
arrange your travel.


Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last minute
reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your best not to
make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the best interest of
NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so.

Best


Farzaneh
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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 01:04:53 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:04:53 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAF96F8F-08B5-438C-982D-52E19E80AF47@gmail.com>

I confirm my availability to go to ICANN61 as GNSO Councilor for the NCSG.

Cheers,
Mart?n Silva


> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:55 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Councilors,
> 
> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri can arrange your travel. 
> 
> 
> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so. 
> 
> Best 
> 
> 
> Farzaneh
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Tue Nov 28 01:07:21 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 00:07:21 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dded56d1-cba9-e8ea-9f93-ea28b422716f@mpicc.de>

Hi Farz,

yes I am available and totally planning on attending - thanks a lot! I
just got my US visa so should be less last-minute hassle for me.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 27/11/17 23:55, farzaneh badii wrote:
> Councilors,
>
> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri
> can arrange your travel. 
>
>
> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last
> minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your
> best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the
> best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so. 
>
> Best 
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From mpsilvavalent at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 01:09:41 2017
From: mpsilvavalent at gmail.com (Martin Pablo Silva Valent)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:09:41 -0300
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <FAF96F8F-08B5-438C-982D-52E19E80AF47@gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FAF96F8F-08B5-438C-982D-52E19E80AF47@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C43F5694-1D02-430B-B3E5-64A2AC73729C@gmail.com>

I have valid visa as well.

> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I confirm my availability to go to ICANN61 as GNSO Councilor for the NCSG.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mart?n Silva
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:55 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Councilors,
>> 
>> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri can arrange your travel. 
>> 
>> 
>> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so. 
>> 
>> Best 
>> 
>> 
>> Farzaneh
>> _______________________________________________
>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is>
>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Tue Nov 28 03:27:30 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:27:30 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <C43F5694-1D02-430B-B3E5-64A2AC73729C@gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FAF96F8F-08B5-438C-982D-52E19E80AF47@gmail.com>
 <C43F5694-1D02-430B-B3E5-64A2AC73729C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <vNnGQFm-aXAblisRMPrvIGQjJjqF3WqU54Dn09STllRa6cHE7iG5OHIU6GImJVqJgiwcl71-VuUvYfa0CviZTXDyi_630G8Vv8tepytU1YM=@ferdeline.com>

Please mark me down as, "I hope so, and I have every intention of being there, but the meeting is four months away so it is hard to be certain." I don?t anticipate any issues, but if my situation changes, I?ll communicate this as soon as I can...

Best wishes, Ayden

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 23:09, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have valid visa as well.
>
>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I confirm my availability to go to ICANN61 as GNSO Councilor for the NCSG.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mart?n Silva
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:55 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Councilors,
>>>
>>> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri can arrange your travel.
>>>
>>> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca  Tue Nov 28 10:19:11 2017
From: stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca (Stephanie Perrin)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:19:11 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c48470e5-d3ea-2448-19cf-f7f800bae3af@mail.utoronto.ca>

I expect to go

Steph


On 2017-11-27 17:55, farzaneh badii wrote:
> Councilors,
>
> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri 
> can arrange your travel.
>
>
> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last 
> minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your 
> best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the 
> best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so.
>
> Best
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc

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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 11:09:07 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:09:07 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Going to ICANN 61? Please confirm now
In-Reply-To: <vNnGQFm-aXAblisRMPrvIGQjJjqF3WqU54Dn09STllRa6cHE7iG5OHIU6GImJVqJgiwcl71-VuUvYfa0CviZTXDyi_630G8Vv8tepytU1YM=@ferdeline.com>
References: <CAN1qJvC6gB8vJkLbPc7HC9ubyEkZ9jteR3U3GUqaX1hUgt+96Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <FAF96F8F-08B5-438C-982D-52E19E80AF47@gmail.com>
 <C43F5694-1D02-430B-B3E5-64A2AC73729C@gmail.com>
 <vNnGQFm-aXAblisRMPrvIGQjJjqF3WqU54Dn09STllRa6cHE7iG5OHIU6GImJVqJgiwcl71-VuUvYfa0CviZTXDyi_630G8Vv8tepytU1YM=@ferdeline.com>
Message-ID: <7873252E-6976-4F1E-9083-999A111F4B91@gmail.com>

I would like to borrow Ayden?s word and confirm my intention to go!

-----------------
Ars?ne Tungali,
about.me/ArseneTungali
+243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo

Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:27 AM, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
> 
> Please mark me down as, "I hope so, and I have every intention of being there, but the meeting is four months away so it is hard to be certain." I don?t anticipate any issues, but if my situation changes, I?ll communicate this as soon as I can...
> 
> Best wishes, Ayden
> 
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 23:09, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have valid visa as well. 
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I confirm my availability to go to ICANN61 as GNSO Councilor for the NCSG.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mart?n Silva
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 27, 2017, at 7:55 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Councilors,
>>>> 
>>>> If you are going to ICANN 61 please confirm with me ASAP so that Terri can arrange your travel. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that we want to avoid last minute cancellation and last minute reservations so please let me know ASAP and please try your best not to make last minute cancellations. It is certainly not in the best interest of NCSG nor its constituencies if you do so. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list 
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is 
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc 
>>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
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From arsenebaguma at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 17:19:19 2017
From: arsenebaguma at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ars=C3=A8ne_Tungali?=)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:19:19 +0200
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
In-Reply-To: <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMokdMwQMVoDwLOFBpsbWmms1yN7-gmyt9sZMBjDMepPANSRVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMokdMw6HEwdpcyTThn-0Ud_xP3Pf1_WeOqdhZjRvAhqNaO2rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH5sTh=aJaBRyVwkpdLtT6rqmZ=CTMTaLo2pNH9HHkSEG+HbWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABDXvWrF3ZzFN4nNdtNH7U5jfmY9_UTa0uDphhee4jeSjfZfTA@mail.gmail.com>

Fine with Renata to join as observer

------------------------
**Ars?ne Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
<http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
<http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
Tel: +243 993810967
GPG: 523644A0
*Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*

2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
<http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
(YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
& Mexico
<http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
- AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
<http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow (
Mauritius
<http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)*
- *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance - Internet
Freedom.

Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
<http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)

2017-11-22 8:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> please find the request from Renata as NCUC chair to join our list as an
> observer.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Renata Aquino Ribeiro <raquino at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-11-21 14:45 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Fwd: PC NCSG observer status
> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>
>
> Dear Chair
>
> Is it possible to receive PC NCSG list in observer status?
>
> Thank you
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>
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From rafik.dammak at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 01:17:03 2017
From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com (Rafik Dammak)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:17:03 +0000
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
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Hi all,

it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund (here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>).
The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for
consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now.
we have 24hours to reach conclusion.

Best,

Rafik
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From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu


Hi,

I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's Reserve
Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be found
here <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en>.
The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>.
This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the
final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome your
constructive edits to the text. Thank you.

?Ayden
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From icann at ferdeline.com  Thu Nov 30 01:24:05 2017
From: icann at ferdeline.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ayden_F=C3=A9rdeline?=)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:24:05 -0500
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve
	Fund
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I support its submission. Thank you.

- Ayden

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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 23:17, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund ([here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing)). The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now.
> we have 24hours to reach conclusion.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>
> Hi,
>
> I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's Reserve Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be [found here](https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en). The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs [here](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing). This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome your constructive edits to the text. Thank you.
>
> ?Ayden
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From jumaropi at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 01:28:51 2017
From: jumaropi at yahoo.com (Juan Manuel Rojas)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 23:28:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN
	Reserve	Fund
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I also support it.?Thank you
JUAN MANUEL ROJAS P.
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    El mi?rcoles, 29 de noviembre de 2017 6:24:21 p. m. GMT-5, Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> escribi?:  
 
 I support its submission. Thank you.? 
-?Ayden 
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 On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 23:17, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote: 
 Hi all,  
  it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund (here). The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now. we have 24hours to reach conclusion.  
  Best,  
  Rafik 
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From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> 
Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00 
Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund 
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu 
 
 
 Hi, 
   
  I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's Reserve Fund. The call for public comments and supporting documentation can be found here. The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here. This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping the final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I welcome your constructive edits to the text. Thank you.
 
?Ayden  
   
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From t.tropina at mpicc.de  Thu Nov 30 10:47:09 2017
From: t.tropina at mpicc.de (Dr. Tatiana Tropina)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 09:47:09 +0100
Subject: [NCSG-PC] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve
 Fund
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My support.

Cheers,

Tanya


On 30/11/17 00:17, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> it is time to review for endorsement the comment on Reserve fund (here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>).
> The deadline for submission is 30th Nov and the comment was for
> consultation in NCSG list for a few weeks now.
> we have 24hours to reach conclusion.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Ayden F?rdeline* <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> Date: 2017-11-08 20:28 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [NCSG-Discuss] Suggested Comment - ICANN Reserve Fund
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have drafted a response on behalf of the NCSG regarding ICANN's
> Reserve Fund. The call for public comments and supporting
> documentation can be found here
> <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/reserve-fund-2017-10-12-en>.
> The proposed comment that I have drafted is on Google Docs here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WJICv5BgHyBIo_o3twOkK0BZDyALIvZYjKXiY5s3RgI/edit?usp=sharing>.
> This is a rough draft; your comments will be instrumental in shaping
> the final version, if the NCSG choses to submit one. But for now I
> welcome your constructive edits to the text. Thank you.
>
> ?Ayden
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NCSG-PC mailing list
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