[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Fri May 26 02:26:59 EEST 2017 

Hi,

our comment was included in the updated Staff report
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-ccnso-review-
deferral-24may17-en.pdf

<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/report-comments-ccnso-review-deferral-24may17-en.pdf>
Best,

Rafik

2017-05-24 14:48 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:

> Hi Ed,
>
> the email address allocated for the public comment was disabled when staff
> report was put online. I am already following up with Lars in order to get
> our comment included.
> I really wanted to stress such drawback so everyone can appreciate how
> much it is critical to submitting around the deadline. that  needs everyone
> participation within the policy committee.
> I will follow-up soon on ideas how to improve things in term of policy
> committee functioning.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
> 2017-05-24 10:14 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:
>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> If that assurance was given I'd suggest you may want to contact the staff
>> member involved and request that  the staff report be amended to include
>> our comments. The initial report without our contribution has been
>> completed and posted online: https://www.icann.org/
>> en/system/files/files/report-comments-ccnso-review-deferral-
>> 22may17-en.pdf .
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:15 AM
>> *To*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>> Review&Endorsment
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I submitted the comment but the mail address for the public forum was
>> bouncing. so I contacted the ICANN staff responsible for that public
>> consultation and he is confirming if the comment will be published online
>> and included in the staff report.
>>
>> I want really to stress and highlight that we may sometimes submit few
>> days after the deadline but we cannot offer to do that all the time. We
>> have currently the NCSG response to CC2 and PC should submit by Tuesday.
>> otherwise, we will miss an opportunity to give input to the subsequent
>> procedures working group.
>> We also have the SO/AC accountability comment to review and endorse.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-05-23 23:22 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> thanks for the support Poncelet, I think we have now Ed, Ayden, Matt,
>>> Poncelet, myself and with no objection during the last 12hours. I think we
>>> have a consensus and I will submit the comment. I would have preferred that
>>> worked out this quickly but acknowledge that we needed to resolve any
>>> concern or comments.
>>> we have 2 comments to work on this week but then waiting few weeks till
>>> the next one.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-05-23 22:42 GMT+09:00 Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm>:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Rafik,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing, and thanks Matthew for the great work, I definitely
>>>> endorse the revised  comments also.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>
>>>> Poncelet
>>>>
>>>> On 23 May 2017 at 13:08, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>
>>>>> Much thanks to Matt. I'm not sure what happened to my revisions -
>>>>> Google docs and I don't seem to get along - but fully support submitting
>>>>> the revised comment ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 May 2017, at 13:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> attached the latest version after Matt edits.
>>>>> I think it is time to submit, we are already over 3 days late from the
>>>>> deadline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-23 20:20 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did
>>>>>> not see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine.   I am happy for them
>>>>>> to be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do
>>>>>> believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi Ayden,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>>>> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to
>>>>>> do the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the
>>>>>> question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they
>>>>>> critical to the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we
>>>>>> are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a public comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite
>>>>>> urgent. I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for
>>>>>> Stephanie to confirm that she is happy with the current version and if she
>>>>>> can resolve her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next
>>>>>> 12hours, I would submit the comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC
>>>>>> accountability by this Friday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to the
>>>>>>> language now, and support the submission of this comment. However, there
>>>>>>> are still some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not been
>>>>>>> resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly consider revising the
>>>>>>> Google Doc to take them into account?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>>>>>>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>>>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncsg-pc <
>>>>>>> ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine with
>>>>>>> the wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see if
>>>>>>>> other changes are needed or if they are fine with the current version. We
>>>>>>>> can send the comment this weekend after that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the language a
>>>>>>>> bit: unacceptable became inadvisable, I deleted a few of the harsher and
>>>>>>>> perhaps more perhaps unintentionally  incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's
>>>>>>>> a bit difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd certainly
>>>>>>>> welcome further edits along those lines,  if folks felt they were needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>>>>>>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me and I cannot
>>>>>>>> really respond to them. I think that they were made by Stephanie, maybe she
>>>>>>>> can propose some edits there?
>>>>>>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission if we can
>>>>>>>> get some wording and edits to be considered to change the tone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment of the
>>>>>>>>> comment, but as Stephanie alluded to, think it would be better if we are
>>>>>>>>> slightly more tactful in the comment that we send through. I also note that
>>>>>>>>> an anonymous commenter left some useful comments in the Google Doc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak <
>>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>>>>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt, Ayden, Stephanie
>>>>>>>>> and myself for submitting the comment with no objection. also, support from
>>>>>>>>> Avri as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus to send the
>>>>>>>>> draft.
>>>>>>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I will submit the
>>>>>>>>> comment on behalf of NCSG (document attached).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will support it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> so  I see there is more endorsement for opposing the deferral and
>>>>>>>>>> we have the new draft here https://docs.google.com/d
>>>>>>>>>> ocument/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>>>>>>> can you please express your position quickly so we can submit the
>>>>>>>>>> comment in due time. I will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support the postponement of
>>>>>>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>>>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason for why this should
>>>>>>>>>>> happen, I
>>>>>>>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>>>>>>>> >> deferral  https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=s
>>>>>>>>>>> haring
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the content and explained
>>>>>>>>>>> his point
>>>>>>>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee8
>>>>>>>>>>> 0ad7.1705 .
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their positions and also any
>>>>>>>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2 opposite views in the
>>>>>>>>>>> NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual position for NCSG here.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the 19th May and so we
>>>>>>>>>>> have less
>>>>>>>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way to move forward.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Consultation
>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>"
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his draft for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>> >> comment https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=s
>>>>>>>>>>> haring
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments, express your support or
>>>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common NCSG position on this
>>>>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for submission is this
>>>>>>>>>>> Friday
>>>>>>>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
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