[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment

Wed May 24 08:48:42 EEST 2017

Hi Ed,

the email address allocated for the public comment was disabled when staff
report was put online. I am already following up with Lars in order to get
our comment included.
I really wanted to stress such drawback so everyone can appreciate how much
it is critical to submitting around the deadline. that  needs everyone
participation within the policy committee.
I will follow-up soon on ideas how to improve things in term of policy
committee functioning.

Best,

Rafik

2017-05-24 10:14 GMT+09:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>:

> Hi Rafik,
>
> If that assurance was given I'd suggest you may want to contact the staff
> member involved and request that  the staff report be amended to include
> our comments. The initial report without our contribution has been
> completed and posted online: https://www.icann.org/
> en/system/files/files/report-comments-ccnso-review-deferral-22may17-en.pdf
> .
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> *Sent*: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:15 AM
> *To*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
> Review&Endorsment
>
> Hi all,
>
> I submitted the comment but the mail address for the public forum was
> bouncing. so I contacted the ICANN staff responsible for that public
> consultation and he is confirming if the comment will be published online
> and included in the staff report.
>
> I want really to stress and highlight that we may sometimes submit few
> days after the deadline but we cannot offer to do that all the time. We
> have currently the NCSG response to CC2 and PC should submit by Tuesday.
> otherwise, we will miss an opportunity to give input to the subsequent
> procedures working group.
> We also have the SO/AC accountability comment to review and endorse.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-05-23 23:22 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks for the support Poncelet, I think we have now Ed, Ayden, Matt,
>> Poncelet, myself and with no objection during the last 12hours. I think we
>> have a consensus and I will submit the comment. I would have preferred that
>> worked out this quickly but acknowledge that we needed to resolve any
>> concern or comments.
>> we have 2 comments to work on this week but then waiting few weeks till
>> the next one.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-23 22:42 GMT+09:00 Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm>:
>>>
>>> Hello Rafik,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing, and thanks Matthew for the great work, I definitely
>>> endorse the revised  comments also.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
>>> Poncelet
>>>
>>> On 23 May 2017 at 13:08, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>
>>>> Much thanks to Matt. I'm not sure what happened to my revisions -
>>>> Google docs and I don't seem to get along - but fully support submitting
>>>> the revised comment ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 23 May 2017, at 13:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> attached the latest version after Matt edits.
>>>> I think it is time to submit, we are already over 3 days late from the
>>>> deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-23 20:20 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did
>>>>> not see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine.   I am happy for them to
>>>>> be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do
>>>>> believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Ayden,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>>> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to
>>>>> do the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the
>>>>> question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they
>>>>> critical to the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we
>>>>> are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a public comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite
>>>>> urgent. I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for
>>>>> Stephanie to confirm that she is happy with the current version and if she
>>>>> can resolve her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next
>>>>> 12hours, I would submit the comment
>>>>>
>>>>> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC accountability
>>>>> by this Friday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to the
>>>>>> language now, and support the submission of this comment. However, there
>>>>>> are still some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not been
>>>>>> resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly consider revising the
>>>>>> Google Doc to take them into account?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>>>>>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine with
>>>>>> the wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see if
>>>>>>> other changes are needed or if they are fine with the current version. We
>>>>>>> can send the comment this weekend after that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the language a
>>>>>>> bit: unacceptable became inadvisable, I deleted a few of the harsher and
>>>>>>> perhaps more perhaps unintentionally  incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's
>>>>>>> a bit difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd certainly
>>>>>>> welcome further edits along those lines,  if folks felt they were needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>>>>>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me and I cannot
>>>>>>> really respond to them. I think that they were made by Stephanie, maybe she
>>>>>>> can propose some edits there?
>>>>>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission if we can
>>>>>>> get some wording and edits to be considered to change the tone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment of the comment,
>>>>>>>> but as Stephanie alluded to, think it would be better if we are slightly
>>>>>>>> more tactful in the comment that we send through. I also note that an
>>>>>>>> anonymous commenter left some useful comments in the Google Doc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak <
>>>>>>>> rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>>>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt, Ayden, Stephanie
>>>>>>>> and myself for submitting the comment with no objection. also, support from
>>>>>>>> Avri as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus to send the
>>>>>>>> draft.
>>>>>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I will submit the
>>>>>>>> comment on behalf of NCSG (document attached).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will support it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> so  I see there is more endorsement for opposing the deferral and
>>>>>>>>> we have the new draft here https://docs.google.com/d
>>>>>>>>> ocument/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>>>>>> can you please express your position quickly so we can submit the
>>>>>>>>> comment in due time. I will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support the postponement of
>>>>>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason for why this should
>>>>>>>>>> happen, I
>>>>>>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>>>>>>> >> deferral  https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=s
>>>>>>>>>> haring
>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the content and explained his
>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> >> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee8
>>>>>>>>>> 0ad7.1705 .
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their positions and also any
>>>>>>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2 opposite views in the
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG
>>>>>>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual position for NCSG here.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the 19th May and so we
>>>>>>>>>> have less
>>>>>>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way to move forward.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Consultation
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>"
>>>>>>>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his draft for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>> >> comment https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=s
>>>>>>>>>> haring
>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments, express your support or
>>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common NCSG position on this
>>>>>>>>>> topics
>>>>>>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for submission is this
>>>>>>>>>> Friday
>>>>>>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> > NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> > NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> > https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus
>>>>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________ _________________
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________ _________________
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>>>>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
>>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NCSG-PC mailing listNCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.ishttps://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matthew Shearsmatthew at intpolicy.com+447712472987 <+44%207712%20472987>Skype:mshears
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Matthew Shearsmatthew at intpolicy.com+447712472987 <+44%207712%20472987>Skype:mshears
>>>>>
>>>>> <ccNSO.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NCSG-PC mailing list
>>>> NCSG-PC at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> https://lists.ncsg.is/mailman/listinfo/ncsg-pc
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Poncelet O. Ileleji MBCS
>>> Coordinator
>>> The Gambia YMCAs Computer Training Centre & Digital Studio
>>> MDI Road Kanifing South
>>> P. O. Box 421 Banjul
>>> The Gambia, West Africa
>>> Tel: (220) 4370240
>>> Fax:(220) 4390793
>>> Cell:(220) 9912508
>>> Skype: pons_utd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *www.ymca.gm <http://www.ymca.gm> http://jokkolabs.net/en/
>>> <http://jokkolabs.net/en/> www.waigf.org <http://www.waigf.org>
>>> www,insistglobal.com <http://www.itag.gm> www.npoc.org
>>> <http://www.npoc.org> http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753
>>> <http://www.wsa-mobile.org/node/753>*
>>> www.diplointernetgovernance.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.ncsg.is/pipermail/ncsg-pc/attachments/20170524/b8d3729a/attachment.htm>