[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: Fwd: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review

Fri Mar 24 06:00:01 EET 2017

Hi,

I thank you taking on the thankless task of writing the first draft.  As
you know I had many issues with that first draft, and do believe I was
specific about what those were.

In any case, the rework Stephanie did has made it much easier for me to
not object (i know i don't have a vote, just a voice).  I have layered
some more edits on Stephanie's revision.  While I still do not agree
with everything it says, I know that the things I have problems with are
things others in the NCSG probably support and do not have an objection
to them, though in some cases I have tried to make it a bit more diplomatic.

I hope my suggested edits are acceptable.

avri

On 23-Mar-17 19:09, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> The statement is still a work in progress, and is not complete. I will
> continue working on it tonight, and encourage others to share feedback
> on how they believe it should be edited so they are comfortable with it. 
>
> Whether or not the PC endorses it is a discussion to be had tomorrow,
> once it is in a more complete stage. Certainly I would hope an
> endorsement was forthcoming, but if it isn't, I also understand that
> is a possible outcome. 
>
> If people would like to have a substantive discussion on the comments,
> it would actually make it a lot easier to write so please feel free to
> do so... :-)
>
> That said, if someone does not wish to endorse the comments, it would
> be helpful to know specifically what within the text they do not support. 
>
> Yes, these comments have been written quickly and there has not been
> much time for discussion, but we do not have a documented process for
> seeking the PC's endorsement and I have been on the PC for fewer than
> 3 months. Until such time as there is a process, all I can do is
> propose text in the hopes that others will jump in and offer
> constructive thoughts on a different direction to be taken, if
> applicable. 
>
> Ayden  
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
> Date: On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 10:27 pm
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: [DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review
> To: PC-NCSG <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org
> <mailto:pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>>,Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> CC:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I am conscious of the impending deadline for these comments
>> (tomorrow).  I recognize that Ayden has put time and thought into
>> proposing comments for NCSG's consideration.   This said, we have had
>> no substantive discussion of these comments and their merit on the
>> list or in the PC, nor have we had, realistically, sufficient time to
>> do so.   Because of this I do not feel that I, as a member of the PC,
>> can endorse these comments for NCSG.   
>>
>> The NCSG PC should have a  better process in place for ensuring that
>> there is time to do so in the future and we will, hopefully, be
>> rectifying this promptly.  
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>> On 23/03/2017 11:33, matthew shears wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello PC
>>>
>>> Teeing this up as comments are due tomorrow.  Please review these
>>> suggested inputs carefully.
>>>
>>> Related docs can be found here.
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/atlarge-review-draft-report-2017-02-01-en
>>>
>>>
>>> Your thoughts/suggestions in the google doc (below) are appreciated
>>> asap.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: 	[DRAFT] NCSG Statement on the ALAC Review
>>> Date: 	Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:52:33 -0400
>>> From: 	Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
>>> Reply-To: 	Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> To: 	NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings all,
>>>
>>> I have drafted up on Google Docs
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing>
>>> some comments on behalf of the NCSG regarding the Review of the
>>> At-Large community. This is a really rough draft, and I'd welcome
>>> your feedback on what arguments should be refined, what I might have
>>> missed, or what we might want to remain silent on. I'm not happy
>>> with it at the moment, but I figured it would be better to get some
>>> words down onto paper, and we can refine this together... so please
>>> take a read of the proposed statement here
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZgdafZs4KBENsb-Kl9GO0l_Bh4gYdQd6F-ORpZPr27s/edit?usp=sharing>,
>>> with the understanding that it's definitely a work-in-progress. And
>>> please share your thoughts, either in the document itself or on this
>>> mailing list!
>>>
>>> Comments are due in three days, so we don't have too long to get
>>> this together unfortunately. You can read the draft report here
>>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/atlarge-review-draft-report-31jan17-en.pdf> (PDF
>>> link) if you haven't seen it already.
>>>
>>> /A friendly note to those ALAC members who read the NCSG mailing
>>> list: this statement is a work-in-progress, it has not been endorsed
>>> yet by the NCSG Policy Committee, and it will likely change between
>>> now and the time it is submitted (if it is submitted)./
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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